Side by side video comparison of PGR4 and PGR3 showing the direction in which Bizarre is taking their latest game in the Xbox 360 exclusive racing game series.
i'm confused ... which one is PGR4? The whole time i thought the above until i saw the PGR4 licence plate on the car in the bottom vid.
The one with the motorcyle is obviously PGR4...
PLAYBACK IS OF LOW QUALITY:
If the encoded video is of low quality, you'd expect the top screen to still look worse than the lower screen, because both screens are effected by the low quality equally.
For example, lets say the top screen is a 10 in graphics, and the lower screen is a 20 in graphics. Now, let's degrade the quality of both screens by 5. The upper screen should then become 5 and the lower screen should become 15. And 5 is still lower than 15 in graphics.
Because of this, your eyes should still see that the upper screen as being worse than the lower screen. But because you can't (you really can't at first glance at least), that means that the first gen title and the third/fourth gen title looks similar.
Maybe it's because of the limitations of xbox360 that you can't add both weather AND improve car models and lighting at the same time - simultaneously. You have to give and take when the pie is small.
XBOX360 AND HI-DEFINTION:
There is nothing hi-definition about the xbox360. You talk about 720p and 1080p, but if DVD-9 is really hi-definition, I ask you this -- why would you need HD-DVD or Bluray discs then? Why don't you just keep your old upscaling DVD player and forget HD-DVD and Bluray and watch everything upscaled on your HDTV?
Smoke & mirrors. Smoke & Mirrors. Some people refuse to admit that they're just staring into puffs of smoke & mirrors that's fogging up reality because they don't understand technology or because they refuse to admit that they made a wrong decision and want to protect their egos from bruises.
FACT VERSUS OPINION:
Wageslave, saying your racing game is the best compared to anything on the PS3 is merely an opinion and not a fact. No matter how high the review scores are, to someone else's eyes, they will always think that Mostorstorm or Grand Turismo 5 are better racing games, as I do. You've been backing your opinion with reviewer opinions and calling it a fact. There's no fact.
A fact is something that can be proven inarguably false or true by scientific experiments or observation. For example, let's say that you stated, "In my opinion, pigs have been known to fly." That is a factual statement no matter how you word it. It's because it is scientifically provable to be either false or true. You can exam all pigs throughout textbooks and all pigs currently alive and you won't ever see a flying pig so far.
Similarly, you can say that a girl that you hated has HIV or AIDS when you know she doesn't. However, it's still a factual statement. You can yank her into the testing room and have her tested. It can be proven scientically whether she has it or not. You can take her to ten medical test centers just to be sure.
But to say that PGR4 is better as a matter of fact is not a fact, no matter how you word it or how many other opinions you use to support it. Because if you look carefully, you already have a majority of the people voting disagree on your "fact statement." It is in their opinion that your opinion and the reviewer's opinions are different and is proof that it isn't better than anyting on the PS3. And opinions can change over time. At any given moment, any of the reviewers could think differently based on the mood or other experiences or after a closer observation and then secretly change their "factual" statement one way or the other in their mind at least. I do think that Mostorstorm and Grand Turismo 5 are better than anything on the xbox360 and that's one of the reasons why I refused to buy an xbox360. Understand?
If I do believe that Halo 3 and Gears and Bio are perfect 10's and wonderful -- TOO. then why didn't I buy the xbox360 or even buy it for my Personal Computer, since those games are on the PC, aren't they? Those games pretty much received perfect 10's and mean that they are the best games ever made right?
READ THIS, XBOTS
No. Because it's their opinion. I have my OWN OPINIONS and because it's my money and not theirs, I choose according to my TASTES. My opinion is that I prefer Motostorm, Grand Turismo 5, Resistance, Sigma, GRAW2, MGS4, HAZE, and Ratchet & Clank, and that's why I bought my PS3 -- in addition to free online, high quality (not low quality) Bluray and DVD playback, and PS2, PS1, and PSN features (since I skipped the PS2, PS1 eras, SACD playback, seemingly indestructable hardware, quiteness, sleek black design that blends into the night when watching movies or playing games with the lights turned off, motion sensing controls, beautiful design, one piece design, linux computer, folding to help society, its potentials, its environmental friendly materials that's safer for humans and the environment, the Sony brand name, and the fact that the PS3 plus my computer can become a custom built XBOX360. All of which the xbox360 lacks.
Why would I buy an xbox360 for Gears or Bioshock or Halo if I don't like those games? I should buy it because somebody else likes them and gave them good scores? I don't think so.
PS3 + PC computer = XBOX360
Most people who buy a PS3 first will rarely need to buy an xbox360, but most people who buy xbox360's first will most likely feel a desire for a PS3 at some point. Only one of the main reasons is that most of the games worth having on the xbox360 are going to be ported to the xbox360 (GRAW2, NGS, Oblivion, COD4, Fight Night3, DEVIL MAY CRY, and so on) or they will be available on the PC in almost everyone's homes -- such as Halo, Gears, and Bioshock the PC version.
XBOX360 owners can pout and flame until their face turns blue and faint, but in the end, we PS3 owners made the right purchase. And we know it.
Here, this video is of low quality too...The Grand Turismo's are not even finished.
Grand Turismo 5
http://youtube.com/watch?v=... http://youtube.com/watch?v=... Enough said...
Ok ,that right above me is a PS fanboy. He just dosnt spam it.
The video is about comparing the games graphics. Not how people that buy a ps3 and a PC wont need an xbox.
I need a name for a PS bot???
any one got one?
Wow Secret Kinda extreme huh? I am a PS3 fan too but no matter what you post they wont care man. All in all 360 fans are right on some things. Lack of games and delays left and right suck. However the ones that are blind to the PS3 potential i.e. looking at Wardevil and GT5 need a good skull smashing. At the current moment they have 3 REALLY good games. Well 2(Dont much like halo myself) imo but still 3 AAA titles we cant touch Gear, Halo3 and Bioshock. Still though down the line I think many will convert. No point in all that man. Its a good post but yeah.
@ Gondee If I think of one I'll let you know. "Xbot" is pretty good "Playbot" and "Botstation" aint that good...
Ima go play Phantom Hourglass. If I think of one I'll PM you...
There is nothing more pathetic than a "Droid" from a Star Wars movie accept Jar Jar, there purpose is to be cannon fodder "training" for the hero Jedi. Everything they do, their whole existance is to do whatever the emperor/Sony tells them even the lies and promises. In the end they lose and are pushed into galactic garbage pits of overpriced promises and lies.
ITS OFFICIAL THE 360 CONSOLE IS MAXED...
Man was everyone just flat wrong. From developers, to analysts, reviewers..
Going to be funny watching everyone buy the Ps3. Cant wait to see all the justifications..
OWNED.. Ps3 wins. Gt5 spanks this sooo bad.. I mean its not even fair. Then add 1080p 60FPS to the mix... LMAO
Atleast you have the scaler........................ ........ lmao
PGR3 looks better IMO.???? hehehe... eh?
Oh yer and that doesnt even sound like an F430?
So which of your questions do you want answered first? =/
Well there you have it they haven't improved $h1T.
The shadows n the first video looks much better.I cant see much else.
though, not really big difference.
p.s. PGR3 was in 600p. PGR4 now in 720p i think.. well probably because of that, not big difference on 372x288 video.. =)
but this didnt really show us anything. this PGR4 is all about a new weather system so I would have liked to see that, plus the bikes would have been nice to see as well. Not to mention the video quality of this capture wasnt the best so hard to really see if PGR4 has any graphical improvements...
Based off that video...they looked like the same game. Not a ringing endorsement if you ask me to buy the new one. Show me the weather ...show me what makes this game different.
wow talk about no noticeable difference they really got to try harder for my 50$
edit guess Ill have to see it RL to tell also should say that 3 was and still is one of the greatest racers ever so I guess they could only improve so much...
Quality looks so bad you can't even tell the diferences.
pgr4 has more going on in the paint.
Comparison is a joke. Sony fanboys need to stop the hating although this is getting mixed reviews Sony fanboys are still attacking it because they're threatend by its graphics.
The weather adds so much to the gameplay.
This is a pic of my racing in PGR4 two days ago.(I'm driving that car in this pic, PC doesn't even do this justice you should see this in HD on a LCD).
Video's a joke I'll be suprized if a Sony fanatic did not post this.
This site needs a serious dose of reality.
Project Gothum Racing 4 has a 8.6 / 10 on Metacritic.
That makes it the 4th best racing game on Xbox 360. But better than EVERYTHING available on PS3 or Wii (just to mention for completeness).
The very _WORST_ review, is a 7.5. Its a pretty tight pack of reviews, averaging to 8.6.
Next Generation Racing Games IN ORDER BY SCORE:
Forza Motorsport 2 9/10 (Xbox 360)
Burnout Revenge 8.9 (Xbox 360)
Project Gothum Racing 3 8.8 (Xbox 360)
** Project Gothum Racing 4 8.6 (Xbox 360) **
Sega Rally Evo 8.4 (Xbox 360)
DiRT 8.3 (Xbox 360)
Need for Speed: Most Wanted 8.3 (Xbox 360)
Test Drive Unlimited 8.2 (Xbox 360)
(NOTICE THE CHANGE HERE)
Motorstorm 8.2 (PS3)
DiRT 8.2 (PS3) -- LESS than the Xbox 360 Version.
Grand Turismo HD 8.2 (PS3)
Sega Rally Evo 8.1 (PS3) -- LESS than the Xbox 360 Version.
Ridge Racer(!) 7.8 (PS3) -- Worse than any Xbox 360 driving game available.
Excite Truck 7.2 (Wii)
Cars 6.5 (Wii)
Do you _SEE_ that? There isnt a *SINGLE* PS3 racing game that scores above a SINGLE Xbox 360 Racing Game. Even the Multi-Platform games score worse. Every Xbox 360 racing game -- PGR4 included -- is better than *ANY* PS3 racing game.
The Sony Defence Force on n4g, trying to malign Project Gothum Racing 4 is extra funny, there isnt a single racing game on the PS3 that is as good as _ANY_ racing game on the Xbox 360. Thats a fact.
Wageslave, 360 has been out for 2 years, of course its going to have some good racing games.
Anyway, the only reason people are talking like PGR4 sucks even though it doesnt is because it sucks compared to expectations.
Oh and btw Gran Turismo 3 has a metacritic score of 9.5 which exceeds anything on your list.
Nice post! Yeah these sony kids are just full of jealousy. Saying PGR4 is getting crappy reviews is like saying EVERY ps3 game has crappy reviews considering PGR4 would be the second or third highest rated game on the ps3. Idiots pwned themselves.
PGR3 to PGR4 isn't a big step graphically at all but I was expecting this game to look like the trailers they showed us and it really doesn't.
I don't see why Sony fanboys should bash this because its the last one of the series and gt prologue is coming.
That was a great post.
I respect the fact that you backed your argument with accurate facts and well thought-out points.
Of course the argument is valid that the the 360 has been out for an extra year, but why are the multiports still scored higher on the 360?
Would that EVER have happened when there was a port from ps2 to xbox1?
No, I don't think so. The xbox1 would have had better graphics, gameplay, framerates and so on.
PS3 potential indeed ;)
Something to ponder there.
PGR4 has more detail, better lighting, weather effects physics on cars not seen in games before, weather effects in environments not seen in games on a console.
It has more things going on on the surfaces of the cars.
The people on the side of the track are far better, the lighting on buildings is far better, the light from the sun is far better.
I tell you why people do not visit PGR4 threads, its because no one gives a fuc what you think the owners of this game play this game and say this is so much fun and look at it saying OMG! Oh my fucing god.
PGR Nations 4 ever.
The ferrari doesn't receive any lighting from the environment it is in. The shadow passes from the trees are BAKED into the ground. Just watch the first few seconds of the video to establish that.
The porsche is actually getting lighting from the environment. When it passes under a shadow, that is applied to the car. Unlike in PGR4.
Whoops!, best car sounds and ingame environmental sound i'v ever heard in a racer.
Dude, then GT would change your world!
The ability to spectate or participate in Live games streamed on Gotham or Forza TV.
The second is that their cars' engine sounds come from real life samples meticulously recorded from eack of the included cars.
Forza's sounds are so extremely detailed that evey stage of intake or exhaust modifications are reflected in the cars' sounds on the track.
i only have about $100 to spend...shud i get PGR4 or NHL 08?????
blah...ill end up getting both anyway
time to go play PGR4 demo..maybe thatll chnage my mind
played it today .. graphics are bad.
jaggies all over the place.
snow looks better in Sega Rally.
Sound is nice.
my score: 7.5/10
I see you post all the time with never anything positive to say about the 360. generally it's quite nasty. Are you sure you are playing PGR4 on an XBOX 360?
OMG! Dude you don't own a 360 your just a Sony Troll and you've probably never even played a 360 get over yourself!
I've seen this guy get called out numerous times. I've yet to see him fess up and give a gamertag.
Until he does so I will label him a coward and a liar.
<ed.> Did you by any chance play this while your console was online, and had a gamertag? If so fess up.
i can play a game without owning a 360 - i sold mine after playing Halo 3's campaign.
it's my personal opinion and i give a fvck if some guy at a website tells me something different.
for example i love Lair's controls + graphics - not because i'm a fanboy (i have to sell 360's to customers every time) but because i think the game is nice to play.
a lot of customers are dissapointed by Halo 3 so who cares about perfect 10/10's??
back on topic: PGR is definitely not the best looking game out there and for me, nothing can beat Motorstorm with it's intense gameplay.
so please, enjoy PGR 4 - i'm looking forward to a real next gen racing experience which i probably get with GT5.
Ummm pgr4 has about 9 weather effects that are amazing... thats a big plus in the visuals department. I am very happy with PGR4, overall much better than 3.
I would get PGR4 over NHL to be honest.
Looks the same as a launch 360 game. Great.
HOLY SH*T THEY USED A DIFFERENT LENS FILTER! This is the problem with Xbox 360. Developers have already maxed out its potential, and it's not that impressive. It's why you can look forward to PS3 games looking much better with each iteration. Cell makes things more complicated, but as devs figure it out more and more people will forget about 360
thats quite hilarious. no system has been maxed out yet. get ur facts straight there buddy. i own ps3 and 360 and none of them can even compare to a PC game in graphics. plus wow 1 year of being out and its maxed out? what a sony fanboy dude. go flame some other site n00b
How about you mister "bebofisher?" go to some other site because right now from what we've seen the 360 has maxed out its potential. Oh and I liked how you added PC in there even though PC has nothing to do with what he was talking about.
I completely agree dude.
Maxed out 360? Whaaaa?
if anything then the devs are maxing out their patience with ... oops... nearly said the P-word.. lol
PGR4 is better than PGR3. In graphics, sound, track selection, dynamic weather and gameplay. The only part where it's lacking is in the "watch replay" mode. I get a headache because each camera view gets a maximum of 4 seconds before switching views, with 1-2 seconds being the average. I get a headache just trying to watch my replays.
They could have at least picked similar cars to compare.
Although both look similar cuz of poor quality video but with the new weather system plus amazing track details (not seen in this vid) certainly warrants a buy or a rent. I will pik it up definately. ONly slightly offput by the lack of dynamic lighting inside the cokpit view, maybe cuz it was cloudy but pgr3 interior effects looked better. HOpe i'm wrong. POG can u verify?????????????
looks the same
LOL, That was unreal, I am hoping the PGR4 was on the bottom screen, I really couldn't tell except it had a Motorcycle in it. That was weak, really weak for a next-gen game, I wonder if they ran out of room on the dvd? Just a thought
does mud and dirt count?
...but you might not see that from this vid.
Download 720p footage from Gamersyde of both games to see the true difference.
I call BS...There isn't a single car on this earth that could out accelerate a racing bike!!!
Racing bikes-High Acceleration, low total speed vs cars
Cars-Lower Acceleration, higher top speed vs bikes.
The vid is too small to spot any differences.
Fortunately, I have played them both and I think PGR4 looks a lot more realistic when it comes to lighting. It has more detail and the weather effects make it look insane (the rain effect is unrivaled).
I know these aren't necessarily the BEST graphics the 360 can handle, but if even ONE -(good)- developer is having a hard time achieving a prodigious difference in graphics and/or gameplay mechanics between their generations of games for said platform, wouldn't that indicate that something is 'wrong'?
I'm starting to wonder if the 360 will stumble upon any more significant graphical strides in it's future. While no doubt the 360's graphics will continue to evolve and get sharpened up by the digital chefs that are programmers, will there be any more Gears of War(s)?
Well at that video quality and resolution any HD game will look like a PS2/Xbox game.
What's wrong really?, both fantastic games - play it and enjoy.
Because once you do, then you'll know the difference, additionl features and improvements.
What the video does'nt tell you are this:
> there are a lot of new tracks plus the familiar ones from before.
> in-car camera on PGR4 works-out like the "Test Drive Unlimited" game - where you can use the toggle and control the view from inside.
> differing weather physics on PGR4 - especially on long races, you can see the changes in weather pattern.
> there are motorbikes in PGR4 and are awesome to play
> graphics - what's there to complain about? Both fantastic looking, has improved slightly from previous game.
> always remember - gameplay and innovation are more important than graphics ( especially if it's already that good )
show a Hi-res version to see the difference.
Seriously this is poor quality. Still though from this they don't look much different...
Edit: For the record the best looking upcoming racing game is multi plat. Burnout Paradise imo.
@wil4hire - Actually, if you watch closely the car does get light it doesn't just "pass" threw the shadows, You might be able to notice it better on PGR3 better cause it is a yellow car in PGR4 it is a red car, and believe it or not red is a darker color than yellow.=]
think.If you own a 360 you automatically have to have LIVE or a internet connection."I don't believe you,what's your gamertag?"
I have a PS3 and don't have PSN.
You people do know,everyone does'nt game online.
wow another FFF game for the becspox 360 yay and these ppl going oh i played it and this video does not show how good it is stop lying ive seen it running and its the same as 3 but shinier same as halo 3 was shinier is that all the xbox can do boot polish games and dont kid me about the weather its not that great maybe u guys just have low expectations of ur games and that way u cant be dissapointed
I played the demo last night, i was i little concern after the IGN reveiew, not anymore. The game is awesome and the part about the jaggies, i dont know what game the guys at IGN were playing, because the in game is very sharp. The weather effect is awesome. I never played the old ones, so for me this game is the [email protected]
A must buy.
right, to the people that are saying this looks no better than pgr3, A) you have sh1te in your eyes. b) you have not downloaded and played the demo from live. Now I did the second of the two last night (b) an can honestly say the graphics were nothing short of spectacular. This was before I even got to the race whn its in the evening and raining. The car models are better, the bonnet view when driving is mental ( the reflective effects of e.v.e.r.y.t.h.i.n.g on the bonnet was truly a "holy crap" moment and the handling also felt more responsive than its predecessor. all in all it rocks and to say other wise is nothing short of bu11sh1t, which I might add is becoming more and more the standard for comments on this site. Also I'd like to point out before someone starts calling me an xbot fanboy or something childishly similar , unlucky mofo I be getting a 60 gig ps3 with heavely sword + motorstorm come this friday, all for £359.99 and pgr4 ofcourse. I'm glad I waited, thanks have a nice day.
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XBOX360 AND HI-DEFINTION
You do realize that on a video game console the "Hi-Definition" images are RENDERED from the CPU & GPU not streamed from the disk.
By your logic warhawk must be the worst resolution ever because it's downloadable and there isnt a blu-ray or HD-dvd (or DVD-9 for that matter)
It's the Processors that draw the HD picture NOT the disk!
Blu-ray and HD-DVD are not needed for HD video....
I can have full HD video on a DVD (33 minutes worth) or for that matter I can have full 1080p video on a CD!!! (About 2.7 Minutes worth without compression...)
HD-DVD & Blu-Ray are required for their STORAGE SPACE to have 2 Hours of HD Video...
FACT vs OPINION.
compare theese two screenshots...
If you can't see the difference well... I don't know...
project gotham 3
Project Gotham 4
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