Shift 2 Mandatory PS3 HDD Installation Size Revealed; Isn’t Pretty

The Shift 2: Unleashed mandatory installation size for the PS3 has been revealed and the size won’t please players who plan on picking up the racer on Sony’s platform.

[MaximusPrime]

So what?

Mandatory installs are great. Better than multiple discs and long loading times...

[Ve3tro]

Why do they always have to be mandatory though, it's becoming annoying having to delete content from my HDD just to play a game.

If I want to play a game I don't want the hassle of having to delete content from my HDD to have enough space to play it.

Installs should be optional.

[MaximusPrime]

True but anyway, Shift 2 is not my cup of tea.
Didn't like the first one.

[captain-obvious]

Sony should freckin do something about this shit
i mean i got like 40 gigs free on my PS3 and while thats enough to put alot of games on it
i don't want to fill it up with time
you know we need space for PSN games, Demos , Music and movies and what ever i want to store on the damned thing

i hope PS4 doesn't have the same damn problem
because that'll make them look really bad

[a_bro]

"i mean i got like 40 gigs free on my PS3 and while thats enough to put alot of games on it"

then buy a 500gb hdd for $50. PROBLEM SOLVED.

better to have an install than your Blu-Ray drive to explode.

[ChronoJoe]

500GB HDD = $60

Buy one instead of a game sometime :S

Installs aren't optional because bluray has slower read speeds than DVD and the developers want the game to run the same on both consoles. Reading from bluray vs DVD the PS3 will always come up with longer load times. Installs are mandatory for the sake of parity across those 2 platforms.

[Anon1974]

I still don't get the big deal. PC games have always required installs. We've been installing games for decades. On the 360, you don't have to install - but it's better if you do. Harddrive installs are just another tool that developers can use. Some do, some don't.

This shouldn't be an issue and isn't an issue for the vast majority of PS3 owners. I see people like Captain Obvious below complaining about this, but his posting history shows him constantly advocating for PC games which, guess what...all have mandatory installs.

Frankly, I'm glad developers have this option on the PS3. We'll never know how much better games like Halo Reach or Gears of War could have been if the 360 had this additional resource. At least developers have the choice.

[MysticStrummer]

@ChronoJoe - There won't be parity anyway. There never is. There are always at least miniscule differences. Funny how when the 360 has a slight advantage it's a big deal here, but when comparing C2 to KZ3 those same differences are ignored by the 360 crowd. Better framerate with a higher rez, better textures, better AA... suddenly meaningless for some reason. OT - Shift 2 won't get my money anyway. I just looked at these comments to see all the complaints concerning something that doesn't bother me at all. N4G never lets me down.

[truehunter]

I got 500GB of space so im not worry. After all it only cost me 60$ for 500GB.

[blakstarz]

That's why it called upgrading, I don't know people complain about install, you can upgrade your hard drive people on the PS3, so there is no need for anyone to delete contents to compensate space.
I just installed a 500GIG WD Black Scorpio drive in my 60GIG and got it for 55 on Amazon, so its worth doing.

[I_find_it_funny]

REVEALED? was this a secret?

why is this even news?

[Wenis]

I'm just curious as to what the hell the point of all that space on a bluray disc is used for if there are still huge mandatory installs to be done. makes having bluray irrelevant almost.

[Reibooi]

OMG IT"S SO MASSIVE MY HARD DRIVE WILL EXPLODE!!!!!

Come on reall? We are still getting retarded news like this? This isn't a big install it's about = to what most games use up and it's not a big deal if you have a new PS3 and 90% of those who don't upgraded their hard drive long ago.

Why don't people every complain about the fact that you HAVE to install on the 360 so it doesn't sound like a jet engine taking off and those installs are far larger in most cases.

[RedDragan]

6 Minutes?

SIX WHOLE MINUTES?!

Oh... just enough time to make a nice cuppa as it installs then. Perfect, I get back to my sofa as the intro starts. Long live installs!

[MaxXAttaxX]

That's not true. There are games that are optional or no install at all.

[Tigan]

You are obsolutely correct. Installs SHOULD be optional. If the 360 version isn't mandatory then why the hell should the ps3 be so??

[zag]

Bluray drives are faster than DVD drives.

The PS3 drive is 2x drive so that be the same speed as a 16x or 20x DVD drive.

Because a DVD drive is only 4 gigs of data at 20x it'll be written in 3-4 mins, a 2X Blueray drive will read that amount of data from a br disk in the same amount of time.

It's purely the size of the data on the disk that makes it look like blueray drives are slow, 25gig compared to reading 4gig.

[aaronobst]

what size HDD do you have?

[Boody-Bandit]

@Tigan

Mandatory installs like these are on multiplat titles are just the easy way out to cut cost and development time.

The 360 was the lead platform for the console version. It's not like the 360 doesn't have some games that require them or come on multiple disc like Forza 3, which does both.

Though I do agree some that say these mandatory installs are a little annoying. What cracks me up about this particular company is all the rumors last year about EA saying the PS3 would be the lead platform or at the very least developed side by side across platforms on their titles from here on out.

Either that was more BS hit me up tabloid journalism (AGAIN) or EA decided they would rather take the easy and cheaper way out. Somtimes I feel like these developers and publishers laugh in our faces. Thinking we will just line up and purchase anything they feel like tossing our way.

Just look at all the DLC planned ages before the games are even released today. It's like these scumbag companies short change up just to try and milk their games to death. It's a shame how many people break out their wallets and fall in line to do this very thing.

Most of Sony's exclusives don't require a lengthy, if at all, install. I don't see why four years in 3rd party companies still require them.

[tommy-cronin]

Yeah but for every single damn game?

[MrDead]

no install for killzone 2/3 and uncharted 2

[TVippy]

Wrong, MrDead. They install themselves, but "secretly". For example, Uncharted creates a 1GB file on your HDD.

[MrDead]

wow a whole 1000mb that you dont notice installing, I stand corrected this is huge.

why are you so interested with the PS3 from your comments all you have to say are negative things. Are you what thay call a fanboy / trolling, why do you feel so threatened by another system?

[The_Claw]

ZOMG I CANT WAIT 6 MINUTES

lol

[QuodEratDemonstrandm]

Don't bother giving the site the minute or less it would take to read the article. The install is only 4243mb.

[TBM]

OMG 4gigs my world will end/s

[saladthieves]

There is nothing wrong with mandatory installs, but sometimes I get no benefits from them. For example, I once had Assassin's Creed II for PS3, which requires a mandatory installation of some 2.x GB. The load times were just as equal as my Xbox 360's counterpart.
However once I copied the 360's entire game to the hard drive, the Xbox 360 version of Assassin's Creed 2 loaded significantly faster and performed better as well. (The PS3 version froze my PS3 for more than 6 times).

I could think of only one situation where mandatory installs might piss people: the case where you have say a 60 or 80 GB HDD, with lots of contents, downloads, as well as other installs. You'd run out of space and be forced to either simply delete some content, or upgrade your hard drive (good thing Sony thought of this ahead and made it optional).

http://multiplayerblog.mtv....

[Vherostar]

My problem is the fact we getting a new NFS game every 6 months!! It's getting ridiculous now..

[M_Prime]

well they are NFS brand names but different companies work on them.. Hot Pursuit was CRITERION who made BURNOUT..

SHIFT 2 is SLIGHTLY STUDIOS and they are completely different games..

can't say the same for COD fanchise now..

[Kushan]

Back in my day, one of the advantages of owning a Console over a PC was that you didn't have to install games.

[madpuppy]

well, then, sell your present generation consoles and go grab an N64 and enjoy!

[TVippy]

LOL, no installs at all on Xbox is better, no?

[Krimson-Rage]

Because there was no mandatory hard drive to install to on some original 360 models - is terrible, yes?

[Ahasverus]

Yeah 'cause 40min of waiting is better than 10 seconds of disc swapping ;)

[showtimefolks]

i have 320gb of free space

500gb hd is not that expensive

[madpuppy]

@MaximusPrime, Didn't you know?

Large installs are the end of the world for most people.

There is always some clown that has to make a big deal out of nothing.

[Prototype]

OH MY GOD, MY 500 GB HDD CAN'T HANDLE 5 GB INSTALL

*jumps off a bridge*

[zeddy]

i dont get the problem, i install every game on the 360 and play it from the hardrive. i would have done the same thing for god of war's 40 gigs if it improves performance. get a bigger hdd or hush up.

[Aarix]

Cause a 360 game is put in and go. When I had a ps3 it killed me to wait while it was installing and I listened to the music it made tortured me.

[hennessey86]

30 minutes and it was well worth the wait so i dont see installs as a problem.

[Kishin]

troll article made by xbot, nuff said.

[Capdastaro]

^ I'm with stupid

[creamydingle]

ˆI'm with dumb and dumber

[Miths]

"PlayStation 3 owners who are planning on picking up the racer will need to wait more than at least six minutes for it to install."

Nooo! However will those poor, poor people survive the horror?

What a ridiculous article.

[itsmyyard]

The article is just stating the facts, 4.5GB is a big size. Would you rather have them ranting in the style that you're doing with your comment?

[btk]

4.5GB is huge for XB360 owners. PS3 owners - if I need more space then I changed the drive for a 500GB drive.

So far on my 350GB drive I have movies, game install data for a *lot* of games, and not even half of the drive used yet.

And 20 minutes for a once off install is really not an issue. If you play PC games it takes a lot longer.

[dredgewalker]

It's so easy to upgrade the PS3's harddrive and the hdd's are very cheap these days. This is just plain nitpicking over something that's easily solved. I also prefer installs since it takes a load off the bluray drive which is more expensive to replace. I'm used to installing games on my pc so this isn't really a big thing and more like the norm.

[MaximusPrime]

Begin install procedure,

enter kitchen, switch on kettle, pour boiled water into mug, add coffee or teabag in, add sugar, add milk, remove teabag, stir, take cup and return to gaming. Bingo you begin the game.

Damn times flew by.

[saladthieves]

I honestly don't see what the big deal is. PC gamers do this ALL THE TIME, and they don't go around bitching about it.

[TVippy]

I'll explain it to you. Consoles aren't supposed to be like PCs by definition. They're made for games and simplicity. Insert your game and start playing, that's how it's meant to be done. PS3 just can do that. It's a PC that you bought.

[saladthieves]

@TVippy

Eh...clearly you don't seem to get the point. People here (like the writer) are not annoyed about the fact that the PS3 is behaving like a PC (providing mandatory/optional installs) before running a game. People (like the writer) hate how large and especially how long it takes to install. It's the WAITING TIME that is bugging them.

Now the fact that some of the PS3's games require mandatory installs isn't a big deal at all. Find something to do during those minutes. You have an Xbox? Switch it on and play it while you wait for the PS3 to install, make a sandwich, or in the case of heavy rain, follow the on-screen instructions on learning how to make the origami figure (which was a very clever distraction!!)

On the contrary my friend, consoles are becoming more and more like PCs! This generation's consoles now sport multi-core processors, bigger RAM memory, input/output devices and wait for it...hard drives! Just because they are consoles doesn't mean they DON'T have to be similar to their PC counterparts.

[Allen46]

Am i the only person that installs all 360 games to the hard drive before i play? Otherwise it sounds like a jet fighter

[mindedone]

So...you're saying it's the option of either waiting 6 minutes, or essentially playing the game on mute?

I agree, I wouldn't be the least surprised if the vast majority of people that know about installing to hdd use it exclusively, esp if they have a large hdd. I don't put any media on either my xbox, nor my ps3. That's what my htib is for.

[Allen46]

The funny thing is i only have a 20gb HDD on my 360 so ill install a game finish it then repeat the process every time i get a new game

[Aarix]

Wow dude your xbox is 4 years old at least.

[mindedone]

My girlfriend got me the COD:MW2 bundle for xbox, right before the new model came out, and it's LOUD. But so is my PS3 sometimes. Good thing I have a loud amplifier.

[tatotiburon]

i love OPTIONAL installs

[Mmmkay]

i love good games.

[Holeran]

Oh for shame. How will we ever live with the mandatory installs?

[QuodEratDemonstrandm]

I dunno.... We'll have to ask a PC gamer. Maybe they can offer some pointers, or some patience enhancing exercises, or a magazine, or a book, or a snack, or something.

Or we could just BOYCOTT SONY for making us wait another FIVE MINUTES.

Crap... That's all my bubbles.... oh well, MNR is about done downloading.

[Oldman100]

If sony would have gone with at least a 4x speed bluray drive installs would have been smaller or non existent. Installs are a step back compared to previous generations insert and play.

[Seferoth75]

Yes Sony should have used something that didnt exist....

[TVippy]

Exactly, you nailed it.

[Pedobear Rocks]

The 'problem' is NOT the speed of the drive...4+ years in and people still spout bullshit.

The datathroughput of the PS3 BD drive is the same or better than DVD9.

The 'problem' is 3rd party devs don't want to laydown the information on BD in such a way that it is optimized for HOW BD works. If they did the data throughput would be the same or better than DVD9.

[Jihaad_cpt]

it was one of the first Blu-ray drives are you dumb cause people were already complaining about the price should they have made it more expensive to cause some people do not seem to know how to code properly?

[CaptainMarvelQ8]

"6 minutes"
OH THE HORROR!

[bananlol]

Im all for creative freedom and its great that all ps3s have harddrives(which i believe is a far bigger flaw in the xbox than the lack of blueray) but when games like uncharted 2 doesnt need installs a game like shift 2, which look worse, shouldnt need one either.

Then again sony cant really do something about it without it beeing hypocritical when one of their best games have a 10gb one. Well it isnt really mandatory so maeby they should decrease the mandatory install size to 2 gb and have the optional at 10.

[barb_wire]

4 and half gig install? - pfft, that's not big at all and nothing to be boo hooing over.

[Oldman100]

Well if sony would have gone with a faster drive we wouldn't have to waste our hard drive space.

[Oldman100]

Ok disagrees, having faster loading times without installs is worse than inconveniently wasting our time and hard drive space. The Sanity.

[mindedone]

Perhaps people see the benefit of not using their expensive blu ray diode when not necessary, esp when a hdd is much more easily replaced.

[insomnium2]

Well to be precise the PS3 still reads the gamedisc since it's not a full game install.

I thought we would be over this mandatory installs thingy by now but since were not I won't sweat it.

To all the x360 fans: I'll take PS3's exclusives over x360's nonexistand library any day of the week. It really is not a competition anymore. Hasn't been in years.

[Mmmkay]

why do you think the hdd is there in the first place ???

it's not YOUR hard drive space. it's for console use....

[Pedobear Rocks]

You're getting disagrees because it isn't a problem of the BD speed...it is a problem of devs not laying the info onto the BD in and BD optimized fashion...if you burn a BD in the same pattern as a DVD you are going to have seek issues.

[Jihaad_cpt]

um hard drive space is not like property, yo can recover the space by simply deleting the game data, and its not like they wont release a new NFS, so most people will simply end up deleting the game data anyway, you are such a moron Oldman

[videoxgamexfanboy]

I like my ps3 as much as the next guy but im not a blind fanboy who cant understand that installs should be OPTIONAL! The best games on ps3 have no mandatory installs. And why should people have to upgrade there hdd just to play games? Some ppl cant afford to go out and upgrade a hdd. Installs should be OPTIONAL!

[Oldman100]

Agree, they should be at least optional. The best games are the games with no installs. Its an inconvenience that we never had to experience in the past.

[MrBeatdown]

I typed in "2.5 HDD" on Amazon. The first result was a 500GB HDD for $55. If you can't afford that, you shouldn't be buying games to begin with.

And I'd rather not have devs waste time and resources programming their game to support an optional install. If they make an install mandatory, I trust that they are doing so because it significantly improves the game. I don't see why anyone would choose the "make the game crappier to save six minutes" option, so I don't see why it's worth the effort for them to include it.

[aGameDeveloper]

Exactly. Some game and engine designs may be well suited to playing off optical disk, others not so much. Keep in mind that Sony and Microsoft have mandatory limits on how long a level load can take, so developers may have no choice but to either move at least some of the content to HDD, or to stream it in during gameplay. If the game is already streaming a number of things off the optical disk (audio, video, textures, etc), the HDD may be required as a cache or alternate source of the data.

Non game developers probably think the HDD install is simply a copy of what's on the optical, but it can be much more complex than that. It may be uncompressed data, a cache for things that are otherwise loaded/streamed off the optical, generated data, content that's loaded or streamed in parallel to other content that's loaded or streamed off optical, etc. Many of these can have a big effect on the design of the engine, perhaps requiring a major redesign, so it's often not as simple to implement as you might think.

[suicidalblues]

@ mrbeatdown

Good statement. I wonder how some folks here can justify 60 bucks a year to play online, but criticize installs saying they shouldn't have to pay to upgrade a hdd?

[Aarix]

I got a 250gb for my pro for $55

[SlxTeN]

Fine by me

[Kon]

DAMN!!!! NOOOOOO I'LL HAVE TO WAIT SIX MINUTES TO PLAY!!!! IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD!!!!

[HBK619]

4243mb now = 4.5GB? That is 4.2GB with at worst a round up of 4.3GB. Now I know it's semantics, but don't add 300MB when you can write it as 4.2GB. FFS!

[ReBurn]

It's actually 4.14GB. 1GB = 1024MB.

[insomnium2]

This news is SO 2007ish. Do you people really care about these things even today? This is so SSDD!

[Krimson-Rage]

It isn't "pretty", it isn't "ugly"; it's a mandatory install that would take around four or five minutes (CRYSIS 2 installed to my PS3 in around three).
Some journalist are getting extremely pretentious these days.

[Jazz4108]

Crysis 2 on the 360 plays as good as the ps3 and has no install and after the initial 15 sec load time you u have less then 5 secs between loads.

[nismo]

Massive? 4GB is the normal average. What ever makes the game work and it save the disc drive from spinning/ wear out. Win Win.

[videoxgamexfanboy]

anyone who disagrees that and install should be optional is not worth the time to argue with. for the ppl who want installs to be mandatory then that OPTION is there and to those of us who believe it should be OPTIONAL the OPTION is still there. i swear n4g is the only site where ppl will disagree with something being OPTIONAL which still gives them what they want lol. Now if youll excuse me im off to smash some marksman with my medic...PS3 tag
= deethagee

[Krimson-Rage]

Maybe they're not disagreeing with the fact that that it should be "optional", maybe they're disagreeing that it's actually a problem worth getting in a tiz about or bleating about in overblown 'news' headlines.

[gypsygib]

Why is this news?

And I like installs, I wish every game at least had the option to install to decrease load times.

[Jocosta]

I think it has something to do with the sluggish speed of the Blu Ray drive. Just a thought.

[SlipperyMooseCakes]

Alright lets just be honest here guys and put aside personal fanboyism. Mandatory installs for consoles is not really an acceptable feature. One of the perks to playing a console game over a PC game is that you do not need to install the game. Now while some of you may not mind the install, there are a lot of people that do. Give the players the option to install, not force them.

[Kushan]

People seem to hold on to the argument that installs are better than multiple disks, but how many 360 games actually require multiple disks versus the PS3 games that require installs?
Installs should be entirely optional. I don't care if it takes twice as long to load, I just want to play the game, then install it when I've got a bit of spare time. How many 360 owners install a game before they even play it?
GT5 irritated the hell out of me. It took ages to install and even longer to patch. I have a 50meg connection, it shouldn't take over an hour to download 600Mb! XBL is just as bad, by the way. Perhaps not with patches, but downloading content takes far longer than it ever should, but that's a different matter.
However, I want to give one game in particular a special mention when it comes to installs - MGS4. Having to install MORE every chapter? Not able to go back to a previous chapter without having to install more? Come on! I'd rather have had 4 disks than have to wait ~5mins between chapters. It really killed the re-playability of the game for me, which is a shame because it's one of the games I enjoyed most this generation.
And before anyone disagrees - one thing I hate about the 360 is that with the few games that do require multiple disks, Forza is about the only one that lets you install the content from disk 2 and only require disk 1 to play. All multi-disk games should have this ability.

[dmonee]

insignificant. Don't care. Why does this have to be a stab at PS3 owners. Takes awhile to install games on the 360 too. Even though you don't have to. We understand that with Blu/Ray also comes larger disc storage, therefore longer game installs. This is the price we pay to own the best of all the consoles. The best graphics, gameplay, machine, service, etc.........

[Kinectanigga]

Size doesn't make you install.
360's drive runs at 24x (spins) per second
PS3's drive runs at 2x (spins) per second

[Miths]

BD and DVD speeds are not comparable by simply looking at the rotation speeds. They read data in different ways depending on their location on the disc.

But in most cases the DVD drive in the 360 is indeed faster than the BD drive in the PS3 - but very far from the twelve times faster you might be tempted to infer from those rotation speeds.

[hiredhelp]

YWAN'S at sily article yet people still got hit it. all about a game that hates GT cos supior and now has forced ps3 to have a install cos they couldnt be assed to do it all on blue-ray. but hey ho who cares install guys who cares.

not like you got a choice.

[Der_Kommandant]

I have a 320gb hd with 40 gb free T____T

[Jihaad_cpt]

delete some of that porn man ;)

[Der_Kommandant]

NEVER!

[KotC]

If your going to force me to install then let me do it without having the disc in. At least with PC I have this option. I know it's "optional" on the 360 but I would still like to take the disc out if I do "choose" to install.

[hiredhelp]

KotC

If your going to force me to install then let me do it without having the disc in. At least with PC I have this option. I know it's "optional" on the 360 but I would still like to take the disc out if I do "choose" to install.
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some fools gave you 2 disagrees. not sure why. have they heard of a NOCD/DVD CRACK with securom and the rest of the copyright protection tool's and patches out there.

[MrDead]

Seems to be after looking at comment histories the only people that have a problem with this are to ones that dont own a PS3.

[MrBeatdown]

Six minutes? Oh, the horror!

It's funny. People spend more time in forums bitching about installs than they actually spend waiting for the games to install.

[KotC]

Maybe some of the people in the forums log on to bitch about installs while waiting for the install. Ever think of that? I use my laptop or phone while waiting for shit like updates and installs.

[Kinectanigga]

I hope your phone has the unlimited plan because ps3 updates are.....you know....meh

[Killzone3___]

i'll put this again :

you people are complicated ,
when a game in ps3 have no install like killzone 3 you say it's a bad thing ..
when a game in ps3 have a small instal like shift 2 you say it's a bad thiing ...
when a game in ps3 have a big instal like gt5 you say it's a bad thing ...

so what's the good thing ?!... >.<

[PirateThom]

Optional installs, apparently... ignoring the fact they're only optional because every model of the device in question has no HDD. Truly a backwards step from the "every model has a HDD" approach of the platform holder's previous console.

You know who I'm talking about and, believe me, if the 360 had a HDD as standard it would have mandatory installs. In fact, it would stop games like Forza 3 or Mass Effect 2 needing two discs as it could be extracted and installed to the hard drive.

But no one wants that.

[Ninjamonkey82]

I got a big ass HD installed i got no hassles either way im in the habbit of beating my games so when a new one comes round i always have something to remove anyway theres always some space to free up. Not that i need to but its just habbit.

[ikral]

OMG! 4.5 gb!? And I wait 6 mins? Ill definetively pass on this one just for that one mather...and I just might get myself an Xbox just so U dont have to wait. I mean, 6 mins?! Unthinkable, what am I suppose to do during install time!? Gosh...still in shock...

[Rob946]

Cmon really 6minutes that's nothing, while im waiting I could just have a flick through the manual then it would be done.

[Close_Second]

This post is nothing but flamebait. Another don't buy the PS3 version cause you have to install. Better extend that to PC games then since I cant remember the last PC game where you didn't have to install.

[darkequitus]

I can't see why this is an issue. It is part of the makeup of PS3 for reason that developers see the need for some games (not all games work the same, so just because on does not have installs does not wash; and the 360 will always have a DVD any multiple disk sometime. What do you think might happen when the next gen consoles have 4gb + ram to fill, people will be begging for instals then.

[cliffbo]

people wait a year for a game and 6 minutes is the straw that broke the camels back? sad

[Slapshot82]

I've got over 200gb to spare, what's another 4.5gb install?

[Emilio_Estevez]

OMG, 4.5 gigs. That's huge.....o wait, it's not.

[artsaber]

I just upgraded my PS3 to 500gb yesterday. 120gb just wasn't cutting it for me. Got that fancy Western Digital 7200rpm Scorpio Black for $40 thanks to my remaining $20 Amazon credit applying toward the total. It only took 3 days total shipping with the Free option. I may be disillusioned, but it seems to perform just slightly better too.

Shift2 may not be my cup of tea, but if I decide to play this game, I am ready.

[NotSoSilentBob]

So it has half the install of GT5 with a quarter of the cars and 10x worse graphics. PASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.

[ramiuk1]

i used to have a 360 and always installed every game anyway so mandatory installs dont bother now i got a ps3,

i just wish psn was faster and i could game better with mates.
will prob for shift to get bargain bins as 1st was a let down

[coldfoot]

"this means that gamers need to wait almost six minutes for it to install, and its a mandatory installation."

Oh the horror! This is a disaster, I'm selling my PS3 and all the games with it... /s

Get over it...it's no big deal.

[ReBurn]

It's been more than 4 years. People are used to it.

[thekiddfran]

haha grow up. My 500gb hard drive will have a hard time fitting this. The fanboy rubbish that comes to this website.

[SuperSaiyan4]

Anyone amount of money in this world that IF Microsoft's Xbox 360 had to have mandatory installs and the Sony PS3 didn't that would be yet another thing Sony fans would be lapping up in joy...

[PirateThom]

And, on the flip side, Microsoft fans would be lapping up mandatory installs,

Fact is, mandatory installs would be on the 360 as well if it had a standard hard drive, but it doesn't.

[Nivalis]

"Gamers need to wait for almost 6 minutes!"
Am I the only one here that finds a one-time 6 minute wait, for a game you've probably spent months waiting for, rather trivial?

[stevenhiggster]

I love it how the only people who complain about mandatory installs on the PS3 are 360 fanboys who don't even have a PS3?

[AnxietyAttack]

Mandatory installs suck PERIOD!

PSN - True_Elite_Gamer
XBL - AnxietyAttack

[Morbius420]

if sony and microsoft really wish to extend this gen then manditory installs are required to increase the life of the disc drives.

[dragonknight4]

I have a 640GB drive on mine.

[IHateYouFanboys]

its funny watching the PS3 fanboys tell everyone who says that mandatory installs are bad to go out and buy a 500gb HDD for $60, yet then they go and troll all the 360 articles about how you have to pay for Live lol. they have no problem having to buy a bigger HDD to even play a game to begin with, but the world is ending when they have to pay less than that to play all games online on a superior online system lol.

the original shift was only something like 4gb in total, so itll be interesting to see how big this one is.

[blakstarz]

Huh....what you wrote made no sense at all. At least when you upgrade a PS3 drive its far less than what a person pays for LIVE and that PS3 owner has the choice to either pay for PSN+ or they can still play for FREE online, 360 owners don't have that.

So its funny watching 360 fanboys write something like this when its still a WIN-WIN for PS3 owners no matter what choice they make. <-- See what I just did right there?

:)

[Achemki]

His must truly hate himself.

[blakstarz]

@ Wenis
I'm just curious as to what the hell the point of all that space on a bluray disc is used for if there are still huge mandatory installs to be done. makes having bluray irrelevant almost.

Well this really simple to answer...its a multi-platform game, no developer will take advantage of the Blu-ray disc if you have to include the 360. They have to comply to the DVD limitation, so you will never see multi-platform games benefiting or taking advantage of the extra storage unless its a PS3 exclusive OR if its a game where the PS3 will be time-exclusive and they can use all the space they want and will probably cut corners on the 360 port.

[Morbius420]

final fantasy xiii says hi

[TheRacingX]

who approves this crap??? yeah, there are installs, we know. I bought a 500gb in '08 and STILL have over 250gb's left, and the only thing I delete are some demo's I'm tired of and any beta's i've been in. I have TONS of game installs and a pretty substantial PSN collection, music, and videos. Its not an issue....let it go.

[saumer]

God forbid we use the technology available to us...

[Raiz]

really these racing games doesn't worth to install with this much big size...and i don't trust on nfs titles anymore... big name small game..

[krazeecain]

Quit f#cking whining. At least you can UPGRADE the PS3's HDD for a reasonable price.

[shuuwai]

640gig laptop hd goes for 50.00 that's cdn, the State should be around 40.00 or lower.

its pretty cheap nowadays ..

that's like dinner for one.

or

6-7 beers at a pub.

or

1 visit to the red light location.

[earbus]

Blue ray is like special ed class doesnt read well or fast kind of the special bus for discs.

[chewmystink]

Crap on the PS3 because MS didn't make every 360 with a HD, ohhhh the logic I see pfff.

[paradiselost93]

I love my ps3, i can go out now get myself a 500gb HDD for around 50 bucks, plug it in and carry my saved files from the cloud and continue where i left off.

[Whackedorange]

If the rest of the hardware in the PS3 was as superior as the BR and the processor we would not need theese mandatory install or hidden install that where used in some other games but its a small prize to pay to have a superior system.

[blakstarz]

The hardware in the PS3 shouldn't have nothing to do with it....obviously if the BR drive is superior then the rest of the technology has to be of equal value...that's like having a Ferrari and using a Volkswagen engine...doesn't work that way.
Granted, the BR drive reads slower than a DVD drive due to different format, read/write tables etc...but some devs somehow have coded their games where its not needed to have part's of the games data cached (installed) to HDD to access things faster. Uncharted games, Killzone etc...

So I guess its just how the game is coded or whatever and some devs can pull it off and some not I suppose.

[dmonee]

I've seen much worse on the PS3. 6 minutes? Does that kind of suck? Sure. But, sometimes it's for the best.

[TKCMuzzer]

Why is this news? Any gamer who has space on their 360 would install it on their hard drive as well, you know for better performance.

[DelbertGrady]

Probably won't be the only thing that's wrong with the PS3 version.

[Bounkass]

Who cares? Get a fucking decent HDD in your PS3 and get on with your life...