Team Bondi must have at least a few people working in their Ultimo, Sydney office, according to a tip Kotaku received over the weekend pointing to a blog with "exclusive" information on the title.
soo can someone tell me blu-ray is not needed for gaming even though devs are stating that it is???
It's clearly a lie. Would we be having this conversation if the 360 had games on HDdvd ?
So your saying the devs are lying for what reason? Isnt it the natural progression of games to be bigger and more complex, requiring more space? And if the Xbox 360 used HD DVD we would...not be having this convo because they had more space. I really dont get it at all. Even an exclusive Xbox dev was complaining about space. So no, its not CLEARLY a lie. Your CLEARLY in disbelief. The bigger more complex games are only possible on the PS3. They will make them that way. There will be more and more exclusives just because there is no other choice, unless people want to make a game worse than it should be just to please Xbox fans. I doubt that will continue much longer though.
i live in australia , in sydney , near parramatta , and i swear i have never heard of this group or anyone that belongs to TEAM BONDI. BONDI is a place where there is a beach and not much else going on. i go for a swim now and then at bondi beach. what the hell is a no-name group of so called developers doing a gta type game based on "accurate real life historical events of l.a. in 1947" i will give you a hint-"if you dont live in l.a. and never saw 1947 how can you be accurate" .they havent even made a ngage game. this is just a no-frills group of developers wanting to get known. also i reckon release date is 2030. what a joke
For games with a lot of cut scenes it may be that you need more space - but I think procedural generation and compression can get most games to fit on a single DVD. What MS needs to do is allow the HDD to be mandatory for all games so a cache similar to what is used in PCs is available to reduce the storage issues and improve the speed. By the way - to say you cannot do a game on XBOX 360 is silly - you would just have to ship with multiple discs. So this statement isn't very credible. You could say "we couldn't do the game as we plan to do it on a single disc" and I would believe that but a general statement - I call BS. Even for sandbox games - you just have to have more procedural generation.
I'm sure that unless some effort is made many PS3 games would be too big for the 360. I'm glad that I have a PS3 and I'm glad that I won't have to miss out on great games. But I can't quite make up my mind whether developers are going to make better games or not due to the storage capacity that they get with Blu-Ray. Does removing limits foster or hinder innovation?
a couple of months ago microsoft announced that it is now ok to use the xbox 360 hard drive for data, so there should be no problem with excuses for disc space, also TEAM BONDI didnt make rugby league 2, sidhe interactive from new zealand developed that disaster project
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It is not "needed" it just means you have to use more than one disc. Something NO ONE has ever complained about before. Did having two discs ever make a Resident Evil game any less fun? No. So there, it is not needed. It just saves you from having to change a disc out ONCE during a game.
Secret I got them all right the first time do I get a cookie? Those are some sick graphics and I think anyone with a brain could agree but what does any of that have to do with bluray or the enjoyment level of a game? Good graphics don’t make a good game, just ask lair. Sony isn’t lacking in games with good graphics it is lacking good games that are exclusive. It's a solid system and I love my ps3 but it is still rather young in its life. Think beyond; stop being a mindless corporate slave and play games.
i think thats more because we didn't really have a choice, seriously. you keep thinking "but what about before? we never complained about more than 1 disc before" but this is different, back then when we had CDs, there was no other way to store data except in cartridges which the PS1 did not use and nothing used DVD yet. in the PS2/XBOX era we only had DVDs and CDs, thats it. so all the games used DVDs unless you wanted to put your games on CDs instead making it even worse, but this era, the next gen era its different. While one uses DVD, there is a choice to go even bigger to blu ray, we arent being held back by technology any longer, so if you're going to use that argument that we didnt complain before, it was because our technology wasn't advanced enough and now look, we are only using 25 gigs for blu ray now and we can even go up to 100 gigs now while DVD is stuck at 9 gigs.
Blu-ray/HD DVD is going to be like DVD was the last generation. And CD was the generation before. It will allow developers to make games even bigger and better looking and sounding. You'll see how important it is in one more year. The 360 will be nearing its end by then. All the games will look outdated next to PS3 games.
Actually yes, because it's still less storage than BRD.
well radzy team bondi work for rockstar so i kinda expect them to know a little bout GTA style games and i dont care if your from sydney ive heard of them and im from QLD
anyone that trusts this BS site for their gameing news is truely sad
xbots are unintelligent. They can't do math. Why's 3x5 and 5x3 the same? What's your grade point average? How much money do you have? Microsoft smoke & mirrors make them think that Halo is in hi-definition. Microsoft smoke & mirrors make them think that DVD-9 is a hi-definition format. If that's the case, then why do you need HD-DVD and Bluray discs? Microsoft smoke & mirrors make xbots think that their console is the least expensive. Microsoft smoke & mirrors make xbots think that their console is of high quality. Overall, xbots are dumb people. What's the stereotype about gamers?? The stereotype is that gamers are xbots. How many xbots are multimillionaires? Raise your hand. How many xbots are valeditorians? Raise your hands. Really? Why is 3x5 and 5x3 the same? Don't listen to the advise of xbots when they suggest you buy an xbox360. They're not intelligent enough to give advise. Look at their comments. Look at their Grand Point Averages. Look at the neighborhood they live in. Look at their choice in spending money on consoles. Most likely, if you listen to the advise of poor and dumb people, you'll only end up poor and dumb like the xbots. Learn what NOT TO DO from the xbots.
MOST of the dev's who say this ARE close to sony this is FACT ... do you know who the devs r? .... look in to it they are sony devs lol . this is the problem with this site to much hate go's on people need to chill read stuff on the internet with a bucket of salt people .
a monster hit, it looks really fresh and new but with the same rockstar genius. It looks a bit more serious, reflecting rockstars maturing nature like with GTA 4 and games such as manhunt. Can't wait for L.A. NOIRE WOO!
and i believe them
Nasim you are so brain washed that sony could crap on a stick and you would worship it. Even if a game for the ps3 had a metacritic score of 10 and no other ps 3 owner bought it you would still worship it and say it was better than anything the 360 had. Your parents must be real proud about your inability to think for yourself. I am honestly starting to wonder if you work for sony.
ha its true, but i dont even think a sony exec would say the stupid things he does. either way, this game looks amazing and I wish it was here sooner.
As time goes on more games will become Ps3 exclusives for this sole reason, and dont come up with multiple DVD BS this game is probably an open world type game and that just simply wouldnt work.
haha halo640p you ppl have way to many emails. To really push the envelope of next gen gaming blu ray discs will get embraced more and more
thats right halo640p how on earth would u change discs while playing and open world game dvds arent the way xbox should of went its MS Fault all u xbox owners wont get next gen gaming just buy a ps3
So I'm guessing PC and PS3 only then. OR 5-6 Disk game for the 360.
Companies creating PS3 titles will say it is needed. Companies working for 360 titles say it is not needed. Is this not what we've come to expect? Besides I consider storage not an issue. Heavenly Sword could have gone onto a 50GB disc because of the sound and yet that game is incredibly short; yet incredibly enchanting. I long assumed that more data would mean longer and better games and so far we have yet to see such a combination and I don't expect to see it anytime soon considering how 10 hours is the figure for most next-gen games. Apparently, they're just too expensive and take too long to make them longer. But this argument is irrelevant as the consoles are now matched in price. Just get whatever one has the games you want to play.
Relatively speaking, there is little to no price gap considering their value especially considering the price gap was used to justify Blu-Ray, not only as a Movie player, but as a critical aspect for gaming. Justification is no longer needed. In the UK, the Elite is £299 although bundles show that get a game with that for £315. Also a PS3 with two games is £349. Price is relatively matched.
it also plays blu ray movies without the extra cost of a hddvd and wireless
This information is from a developer that develops now for all platforms. Why would the discredit themselves with false information when it could possibly hurt them in future sales? My guess is that they gave up the exclusivity to Sony for GTA4 only to get into a real platform that enables them to do what their artistic abilities are fully capable of and DVD9 was not going to enable them to do this.
As long as the 360 is capable of games like Mass Effect I'm more than satisfied =) Let's hope Rockstar takes advantage of BluRay.
has any 3rd party developer said DVD9 is fine for this generation? Name one 3rd party developer that have stated DVD9 is fine for next gen games. Okay PS1 went from cd's to the PS2 which had DVD's, do you really think that employing last generation technology such as DVD9 can keep up speed in the next 10 years? Say HD-DVD or Blu-Ray wins....well okay say Blu-ray wins for example.....the ps3 will leave all others behind. Because think about this logically, if Blu-Ray becomes what DVD is today, are you really going to spend money on a Blu-Ray player AND a 360, or just buy a ps3 that has a blu ray player?
This game could be amazing but its so far away from release:(
So far, I have only gotten to glance at a few shots of this game and it does look awesome. The mere concept of it is definitely unlike any other open world we have seen yet. However, I hate to put a kink in this article, but even though it must require huge amounts of storage for all the data that could possibly be used in a game of this type, it could be place on multiple discs (don't think I personally would like that though if I had to switch discs mid game, etc...). Not sure how that works unless the initial disc would load the main game engine onto the HDD. I haven't heard of this developer before, but from what I have seen... I am glad I have a PS3.
Anyway. this is the kinda game im looking forward to. A game where I can explorer all over a city in crisp detail. No having many disks would not work for this game. because old games like RE you can't go back after you change disks. games that you can free roam citys can not change disks. unless you want to get up and switch every time you drive to another part of the city. face it DVD is not going to hold out much longer. just look at mass effect. its has the same repeating vices and backgrounds over and over like oblivion.
because team bondi have to make three exclusives for ps3 as part of a deal with sony. have team bondi ever made another game before this?
lot of mouths in this site will be SHUT in the near future!
You still have four bubbles. Gonna take sometime for you.
Hmm, after playing Bioshock and theamount of content which exists in halo 3 i dont understand why people keep bringing this issue up. good compression can fit the best games in to one DVD, if u have any doubts check how many DVDs Crysis is on and u cant tell me this is more impressive than that technically. stop this bullsh*t PR talk
A little more compression and we could fit those games on a single CD!!! If compression is so acceptable to you, why didn't everyone just stick with CD as storage?
about Crysis, there's a difference between console data and PC data. its ok to compress for Crysis because once you install it ALL the data extracts into your hard drive and the game runs from there. In consoles the game is run from the disk, sure many games store data from the disk on the hard drive but its only for faster loading times and game saves.
What? theres no difference between console data and PC data. Xbox runs off directx...same API buddy. The hard drive thing is a valid point though.
I do understand that there shouldnt be a space limit to inhibit production but at the moment there has been nothing that pushed the barrier so much and has proven to need the extra 40gb of space, i am sure in next generation of consoles these will be availible but today with the existing technology and engines a dual layer dvd is sufficient amount. we have to see what engine LA NOIRE has and if its that revolutionary im sure the current consoles wont have the horsepwer to run it well. people should stop jumping on the new format when they see more space, they shpould see if they need it, sure i can get a flat for £3000 a week and it will have 3 more rooms but it be just waste unless i put 20 sofas in.
slap who ever say's that!
Bluray is just a data storage medium. nothing more. it enables nothing. It is just a place where game data sits, it doesnt "enable" shiat. External Storage (CDs, DVDs, HDDVDs and Blueray) is infinately expandable. Multiple discs for more space. Thats it. Nothing more. What this guy is saying is Inaccurate, and your an idiot for buying the BS PR.
and 3 disagrees already it seems the only idiot is you.
but this type of news will become more common as time goes on, its obvious. Those who cant see this are flat thinkers or have a touch of fanboyitis. In each gen the levels of everything has stepped up so why wouldn't the media size which has to cater for the all round improvements. Like many people have said before; if the 360 had a larger media to begin with then all of these types of articles wouldn't be drawing so much heat. Even the most ardent 360 fan who wants to play on their 360 for more than 2 years must see that this could limit SOME types of games not all just SOME. Sorry to say but those who cant look far ahead enough to see this are just ignorant or very wishful in their thinking
Can't wait for this game looks very promising
this is a stupid article (I own a PS3, but im not a fanboy) ... y the hell would microsoft 360 owners give a crap if its too big for their system (i wouldnt give a sh!t if i had a 360) ... its a ps3 exclusive... so y even have an article that says oh this is PS3 EXCLUSIVE (aka ur not getting this game anyways) and U CANT HAVE IT even if it was multi-plat .. ITS TOO BIG for ur system.. thats soo stupid, unnecessary, and kinda obnoxious fact - its ps3 exclusive its too big for 360? - whos gives a sh!t
But the question is . Is it exclusive to ps3 because they couldnt fit on DVD or Because they are ps3 exclusive they had no restriction hence could not fit in dvd
either way its the same thing and if devs said that it couldn't fit whether it was an exclusive to begin with or theres less content because both versions have to be the same people would still find issue because its not kool for devs to tell the truth nowadays for various reasons rockstar wont publicly come out and say that a format that their working on is physically holding them back because that might effect sales or working relationships with whoever. Example look at what happened after the dev of h sword said what they did about media size. its a joke and some people here believe their more in tune with gaming development than the devs themselves.
and you were saying?
BS from the Sony camp. How come for every PS3 "exclusive" Bluray is needed. Kind of like that 10 GB of audio in heavenly sword right? Sony should just focus on games and stop worrying about pushing their Bluray agenda.
Its not on the 360, deal with it.
It's not developed or published by Sony. It's a third-party company saying they can't make their game on the 360. I have no idea where you got the "Sony propaganda" idea from. :/ Read the article next time.
Dude in the article it mentions the game isn't ps3 exclusive. Common sense should tell you it'll be a ps3/pc title eventually. It states the game is definitely not going to 360 due to the space issue. This isn't some Ps3 fanboy blog, by the sounds of it, it's the devs themselves saying this. Chill
so your saying have sony stop pushing and focusing there format? one word stupid
dude the reason blu-ray is needed because it is an open map and the entire thing will be NATIVE HD..... not left to upscale.... thats why it is so big, they cant split that up on multi disks... they could chache most of the map to the hard dri- oh thats right, not everyone has one??? who ever thought those were necessry was retarded i guess!!!! just get over the fanboy additude, seriously... it's getting very annoying....
I dont know how but Bloodmasked somehow became unignored. I guess I'll take a bubble and reignore him =P
Sony is not making the game. Stop saying that Sony is saying it.
You own a PS3 and experienced the audo in Heavenly Sword? What's that? No you say? Shut up.
Man looking at number of disagrees at blood's post i'd say site is turning sonydefenseforce. Soon we'd only have positive ps3 news and all negative 360 news. THere goes the balance.
Thats the point I was gonna bring up. If you read the article (unlike some people), you'd notice that bluray isn't mentioned once. The fact is that dvd might be fine if they could use the hard drive to uncompress unto. But they can't since MS decided to omit it as standard.
I'm sure if we get more news like this he might go away.
If GTA wasnt on the 360 it wouild of been a bigger game!!!360 is holding down the ps3...I dont know why people underestimate sony they been in the gaming world for years!! blue ray was the right decision..there goin to be lots of games on the 360 that going to be on mulitple disks..
this is more proof that the 360 is holding GTA back. People can say all they want about the ps3 being hard to program for....it just came out, jeez, give me a break... rockstar never made a game for the the ps3 and they are completely changing GTA for next gen systems.... They're gonna run into some problems. Looks like MS has to give a crap load of more money to R* just to have GTA 7 muti platform...... I don't think M$ is gonna give it to them. Theres LA norie, and another ps3 exclusive R* franchise. They can offer to pay rockstar all they want, but after gta IV, Rockstar wants to grow, they need something better than the 360, so they will focus more on the ps3. Expect less games from rockstar on the 360 in the future. This is the punishment MS gets for releasing a console so early. If MS was smart, they should start working on their next console ASAP, and have a 2010 release.
Get use to hearing this 360 fanboys, because soon every single developers are going to be saying the same thing. And they say that only sony first party developers say this. But know they are hearing it from a third party developers. So i dont wanna hear no more people saying that blueray is not needed, and also that only sony first party developers say that blueray is needed.
it's not a case if Blue ray will be needed, it's if blue ray will still be around in ten years (UMD, Betamax) sony don't have a great track record. if Blue Ray doesn't become the standard no more PS3, developers will not produce games for failling media in response to 16.3 i don't think games will stop being produced completely, just it will seriously hamper production.
BETAMAX falied for one simple reason. even tho its storeage was better and picture quality, Sony said no to porn on betamax tapes, and believe it or not, that was its end. some people seem to believe this is also the case with blu-ray but sony have said no such thing.
If BD fails in the movie department, Sony will still have games printed to it. Perhaps you think that if the movie industry gives up on a media then it is incapable of being used for games? UMD just proved your theory wrong.