Xbox 360 Not Upgradable to DirectX 10

According to ATI themselves. "Xbox360 cannot run DX10". The Xbox360 has unique features including memory export that can enable DX10-class functionality such as stream-out," said an ATI spokesperson. "From what we're hearing, Crysis will support DX9 with some sort of use for DX10 features. It's likely that those DX10 visuals can be replicated on the Xbox360, but it can't be properly called DX10."

[OutLaw]

This site is becoming known. 1up brings us up in their article

[TheMART]

Oh great and it was my post ;)

Ah well Crysis also is not running on native DX10 on PC as they state, it's DX9 with some optimalizations in DX10 which the 360 also can do.

Same outcome I guess of the article although slightly different setup

[TheMART]

And a post to read on 1up that sounds logical:

"DirectX # doesn't matter - Unified Shader Language is the same on Xbox 360
mike_mgoblue, 08/23/2006

The Xbox 360 currently is based around the DirectX 9 programming language for PC, which makes PC ports very easy. Microsoft was able to use DirectX 9 technology with the Xbox 360 because it was already the top-of-the-line standard for PC development when the Xbox 360 was released. Obviously, the Xbox 360 would not be based around DirectX 10 in the same way, because Windows Vista won't be available until sometime in 2007.

Thankfully, Microsoft has designed DirectX 9 so that it can be adjusted and improved very easily in order to remain very similar to adjustments and improvements in the PC development environment. Microsoft will be able to modify the Unified Shader Xbox 360 development environment so that it is the EQUIVALENT of DirectX 10, but would not technically be able to be called DirectX 10, even though its performance would be nearly identical.

A system like the Playstation 3 that does not use this sort of Unified Shader program language is really going to have a difficult time converting a game like Crysis. This is probably the reason why the developers who were interviewed said they didn't like the performance of the Playstation 3 when they were doing experiments with it. Square Enix said that it took them less than a year to convert Final Fantasy XI to the Xbox 360, because it used the Direct X programming language. However, Square Enix also said that the reason why they would not be releasing Final Fantasy XI for the Playstation 3 is because it would literally take them over three years to develop for the Playstation 3, since they would have to start from scratch.

I believe that there will be a port of Crysis...but it will only be on the Xbox 360. This makes me very happy to be an owner of the Xbox 360. I really like that sort of First-Person-Shooter genre, and the Xbox 360 is the KING of that genre! "

[HaHa]

i remember xbox 1.5fanboys saying that their beloved console was using directX 10 ahahhha

[DG]

Like it was said before DirectX is just a bundle of code/software it can still be implemented.

[Morbius420]

I just joined up but I've been reading these posts for about 4 months and eveytime TheMart psots I always learn something new. You rock.

[TheMART]

First off: let's hope you will add anything to this side on day that would be nice to see.

Secondly: it was no news of MS, a site did this rumour. What about Sony's 2 x HDMI, all games in 1080p, CGI = ingame and more. A whole lot worse

And best thing is: 360 uses some parts of DX10 and has DX9 as basis. The same way Crysis is programmed, not completely on DX10. Read above,
" Microsoft will be able to modify the Unified Shader Xbox 360 development environment so that it is the EQUIVALENT of DirectX 10, but would not technically be able to be called DirectX 10, even though its performance would be nearly identical."

So Crysis is still same story: easy to get on 360 and PS misses DX capability at all

[OutLaw]

Don't let it upset you, I also have a 360 and I know the system is a very good system. We don't need it to do everything for it to have great games. It's not the end of the world if the 360 isn't upgradable to Directx 10. I appreciate the info you do provide for the site, but bring it down a notch you sound to defensive about the subject.

[TheMART]

I'm not upset, I am just quoting someone who reacts on the DX10 not completely possible stuff.

I think it's nice info. And yup I might be a bit faster jumping on a fence then you. Well heck, that's all in the person. I guess it's because I really damn Sony for the PS2 with sh!tty drive.

But well, good to see you back posting news!

[HaHa]

why do you want me to participate in this site so much, you for one only talk BS in every article it's always the same do you relly think that you have anything interesting to say?? you just repeat yourself about how sony is dying and microsoft is as pure as christ!! besides this site is runned by 360fans ala DC RIDER, all the ps3 good news don't make it to the main paige and on every ps3 article there are more lame votes than cool NO MATTER what the news is not to mention we often get spammed. so tell me what good will it be to post anything. i've given up on posting the only thing i come here for is to see if there is anything i missed.

[TheMART]

at least more then you are. Second who are 'we'? All sony fans united? you're a funny guy

I have a certain few maybe on PS3. I think I may have it because I feel f*cked by Sony over my PS2 and the 360 just fullfill it's promisses. With Sony I feel they're always overpromissing and underdelivering.

I post articles, which I don't see you doing. Only biased fanboy posts. So if you're blaming someone else over it, it's like removing a splinter from someone elses eyes but in the mean time have a whole tree in your own

[specialguest]

well..there goes the DX10, but like the article stated; it doesn't nessesarily mean 360 can't port Crysis. it'll just take a little tweaking.

[TheMART]

A question that rises when I think about it. Isn't the DX10 capabilities driven firstly by software? Or am I wrong on that one. Ofcourse the hardware will have some restrictions, but isn't MS the one that can direct the DX10 thing? Maybe someone can clear this up for me and others probably. I am really curious, Outlaw maybe?

[Swe_Goliath]

I am nott a 360 fan eather am i a Ps3 fan.
But i have a 360 and will later get a Wii.
But like you guys say, it`s nott the end of the world that 360 don`t get the Dx10, Crysis and other games in the future that will need Dx10 to work ,,,will work on 360 to becouse the dx9 that 360 is using is a version that can be tweeked so it can do nearly the same as Dx10. so ladys and gentlemens,,, first of all we have a consolle that probebly will hold for a looonnggg time and second.. i think we maby have a "winner" in this so called "war"

goliath/out

[Marriot VP]

In my opinion I think its best to have the latest and greatest DX9 video card from ati than have a crappy first gen DX10 that's inefficient and performs near the same.

That's just me, but I know that first gen video cards are the worst in the DX cycle. But of course this wasn't my initial reaction I had to think about it.

[Mikey_Gee]

By not being able to do DIRECT PORTS to DX-10 stuff may be a good thing.

For those who actually "READ" and "UNDERSTOOD" the article you would have caught the fact that it will perform JUST AS WELL as if it was DX-10 but because it is not actually DX-10 they cannot call it that.

BUT .... it will force some tweaks to happen when porting .....and "THAT" may open some doors to TWEAK in a way to maybe even get a bit more from the game developers.

[PS360PCROCKS]

Kinda sucks, I thought DX10 was able to be done on the 360, but ah well

[dantesparda]

People! do you's know anything about computers? when the new DX versions come out, alot of the times you get the same thing happen. You'll be able to play the game in DX9 mode or DX10 mode, however the DX9 mode version, always loses effects, and can have lower quality textures, or have effects that arent as good as the higher version of DirectX. Now if the 360 can pull of the effects to look just like the the DX10 version, than you are not going to notice that much of a difference, if any! otherwise you will. So stop kidding yourselves, they always say it looks just as good when it doesnt. I have a 9800 Pro (which is like 2 or 3 generations down from the 360's graphics chip) that can do better texture quality on Call of Duty 2 than the 360, as a matter of fact, the 360 version looks closer to the DX7 mode on the PC than the DX9 mode version. Same thing with with Prey (but Prey does look closer to the texture quality of the PC). The texture quality of Quake 4 is far inferior to the PC version, with a lower framerate. Plus i can do anisotropic 8-16X on the PC, the 360 versions look like they dont have any anisotropic filtering or heck even trilinear filtering (something even the Xbox 1 & PS2 can do!). So let's not get to ahead of ourselves