Submitted by nasim 2888d ago | article

PS3 has 24 games that run natively at 1080p against just 2 on X360

NOTE :- Ridge Racer 7 and Ninja Gaiden Sigma on PS3 run at full HD @1080p @60 FPS . No x360 title runs at 1080p @ 60 FPS .

List of ps3 games which run natively at 1080p :-

All Pro Football 2K7

[ps] Blast Factor

[ps] Calling All Cars
College Hoops 2K7

The Darkness

Fantastic Four Rise of the Silver Surfer
[ps] flOw
Full Auto 2 Battlines

Harry Potter
[ps] High Stakes on the Vegas Strip: Poker Edition

[ps] LocoRoco Cocoreccho!

Marvel Ultimate Alliance
MLB The Show

NBA '07
Ninja Gaiden
Pirates of the Carribean
[ps] Pixeljunk Racers
[ps] Piyotama
Street Home Court
[ps] Super Stardust HD
Transformers The Movie
[ps] Tekken 5: Dark Resurrection
Virtua Tennis 3

List of X360 games which run natively at 1080p (LINK added in the ALTERNATIVE section)

Street Home Court
Virtual Tennis 3 (PS3, Xbox 360)

Alternative Sources
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Jdash24  +   2888d ago
wow this article has flame written all over it

Edit @below: i know its the truth im just saying its going to start a flamewar
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nasim  +   2888d ago
BUT everything that has been revealed is the TRUTH
PS3 is the only console where a game runs natively at 1080p @ 60 FPS (natively)

x360 can never run a game at 1080p at 60 FPS


the prices of BRAVIA would be slashed by 50% this FALL,2007

so expect more HD penetration. There is no harm in revealing truth even if it makes x360 look much inferior

THe x360 is not inferior but 1/10 as powerful as PS3.

Nothing changes the FACTS. It is a low powered console and we all know that.

1080p @ 60 FPS is only possible on the ps3.

ps3 is full future proof and can run 2160p too.

the CELL =50x XENON
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ReBurn  +   2887d ago
It doesn't make the 360 look inferior, no matter how much you want it to. The PS3 is great hardware. But the lack of 1080p games are not a reflection on the hardware, it is a reflection on the developers.

Just give it up nasim. Your one post per article isn't going to kill the 360. It's a good system with great games. If you don't like it then fine. Just let it go already.
Mu5afir  +   2887d ago
@ ReBurn
There are hardware limitations that limit some games from archiving 1080p. Halo 3 for example has HDR lighing and 2xMSAA, it can't run at 1080p, because of the bandwidth limitations.
snoop_dizzle  +   2887d ago
"ps3 is full future proof and can run 2160p too."

where has anyone said that? i never knew that if its true. Please elaborate.
Gamespot-equals-EGM  +   2887d ago
Most of those games suck
Come on, lets be honest. Most of those games suck or are just medicre. Frankly, I would rather play Mario Kart 64 on an SDTV than most of those games in 1080p.

1080p is nice but gameplay and fun factor rule.
Twilightx7  +   2887d ago
Seriously, where the hell do you get off inflating these "facts" you constantly report on this site? After doing thorough research based on these claims, I find that your report of the Cell being 50x more powerful than Xenon to be GREATLY exaggerated, as it is on average only 10x more powerful than a Xenon processor, or 4-5x more powerful than a standard Quad Core processor. GG on that one.

Secondly, your claim that PS3 can run at 2160p ALMOST holds up, as it's not entirely true. One, as of this moment, the PS3 cannot run 2160p. It would require a software update, which would in turn consume much more processing power (a waste at such a high resolution) and lessen the overall quality of games that, at the moment, STILL HAVE TROUBLE RUNNING A 60 FPS. On top of that, the ONLY 2160p sets that have even been revealed are the Quad HD sets, which, as the manufacturer of these sets has revealed, are specifically targeted as high end industrial applications. Translation for a Sony droid such as yourself - nobody will own these TV's, and if they do, they certainly aren't going to play a PS3 on them.

Future proof only goes so far. When 2016 rolls around, and PS3 is hitting it's 10th birthday, people might have these 2160p sets. But as all console business models have shown, every system out there, PS3 included, will be on at least it's 4th or 5th iteration. People like you will have already purchased a PS4, and will be preaching it's amazing Godlike powers to all the world, while still being ridiculed for having Sony tunnel vision after all these years.

And your comments here are a freaking joke. Stop posting, most of us have to click "show comment" to even see your drivel.
Icecold33  +   2887d ago
Frightening about NAISM
Here is what's frightening about this Naism guy. It appears that he posts a comment on almost every single PS3 AND 360 related article on this site. In order to do that you would almost have to site at your computer (NOT YOUR PS3) all day long every frickin day.

Then while at his computer his sits there and finds all of this irrelavant bullsh!t that no cares about. It's as if he is sitting in the dark beating off over the attention that he is getting. I'm normally an easy going easy to get along with guy. Buy, this dude is like going on a date with a frickin chickenhead that won't STFU; and all she talks about is her X boyfriend that left her for another man!

If you can picture that scenario, imagine how badly you would want to slap the sh!t out of her and say "STFU BIOTCH".

Anyway, if NASIM was in the military he'd be the best weapons on the battle field, because after you kill him ten times over, he will still talk 25 more percent of the enemy forces to death and that's after being buried for 1 year.

Damnit NAISM PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, TAKE A DAY OFF so that we all can enjoy this site for at least 2 hours without your PSYCO FANBOY BULLSH!T. MY GOODNESS!

And for those of you allowing him to do you dirty work by clicking agree on sh!t he type that you know is BS, you just making it worst. I mean, can we raise the class level just a little bit. Have anyone noticed that most of the best poster on this site rarely post anymore, it because this place is becoming to where finding a descent non-fanboy read is like growing lettuce in the desert.
barom  +   2887d ago
@ ReBurn
Some of those PS3 titles are multi platforms. If X360 could put them out at 1080p there would be nothing in the world that would stop dev from working on it. X360 has been out a year earlier and it's a lot easier to develop for, this means it wouldn't take much effort to put it out on 1080p if the dev's really wanted and had the possibility too.

NBA 2k7, Harry Potter, Fantastic Four and Marvel Ultimate Alliance to name a few of those multi platform titles. X360 is inferior at least on this aspect. Respect it!
Snukadaman  +   2887d ago
I am convinced this idiot nasim does this all day...
I also belive he has multiple accounts here and even approves his own news storys because besides maddens_raiders i dont see no one as militant as those 2 idiots....even some ps3 owners cant take most of his horsesheit making all ps3 owners look like radical morons. I hope the rumors of moderators are true because this place has become a virtual den for really fugged up information and nonsense.
ReBurn  +   2888d ago
This is so NOT interesting. Most people don't have TV's that can support native 1080p, so the PS3 probably has to downscale more than the 360 has to upscale.

Nice attempt at flamebait. Looks like the minions are going to eat it up.
the worst  +   2887d ago
mine do
50in 1080p
tatical  +   2887d ago
I'm interested
I'm using a widescreen 22 inch for both my 360 & PS3. But I'm in the market for a 40-42 inch 1080p (I can only afford one TV so I'm not wasting my time on 1080i) HDTV at the moment. These things are nice to know.
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Jinxstar  +   2887d ago
I have a 56 inch 1080p DLP and surround sound with all 3 consoles... On firefighter salary.
Armyless  +   2887d ago
1080p baby, only the best in my living room
If you settle for less what do you get?
rsebes  +   2887d ago
most people don't have 1080p? Most people that have new tvs do have 1080p.
Sony 60" SXRD 1080p.
Thank you.
MikeGdaGod  +   2887d ago
i do
42' 1080p plasma Panasonic

i know i shouldn't get plasma but it was on sale last Thanksgiving for $700 at BestBuy.

can't beat that
hfaze  +   2887d ago
37" 1080p LCD owner here...
barom  +   2887d ago
The future is 1080p dude. How long do you really think 720p gonna last?
Bordel_1900  +   2887d ago
Sony BRAVIA 40X2000 1080p LCD here
soccerstar  +   2888d ago
ok..... so the point of this story is what?
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soccerstar  +   2888d ago
Ri0tSquad  +   2887d ago
Don't let me remind you what game runs at 640p.
Odion  +   2887d ago
I think the more important thing is that there are more Xbox 360 games above an 80% then the PS3 or the Wii, and thats ratio to
tatical  +   2887d ago
Its only logical you know, with the PS3 & Wii being available for less than a year.
jack who  +   2887d ago
you want a cookie?
at E3 05 all sony talk about was 1080p and how 360 couldnt do it guess which had the 1st 1080p game?

and oh btw LP was in 1080p
PopEmUp  +   2887d ago
360 is the now and ps3 is the future
Isn't Microsoft confirm that it never reach to 1080p in 2005 well what do you know ps3 is the future after all
Meus Renaissance  +   2887d ago
I can't even afford a 720p TV and we're talking about 1080p? A bunch of rich kids here, I should hack someone's N4G account and hold it ransom.

Nasim: Meus, give me back my password!

Meus: First, send in the pool and the Porsche. And don't forget my 50inch Plasma TV. Slowly..

Nasim: And if I don't?

Meus: I'll post as you and tell everyone how much you actually want to play Halo 3 and get an Xbox.

Nasim: I'm on the Porchse. Pool will take a week and TV will arrive in the morning.

Meus: You're too kind..
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actionjackson  +   2887d ago
@ Meus Renaissance
Granted 1080p is not main stream. I also believe that HD will become more of less mainstream after this holiday season. If price is any indication, the purchase price of HD technology has drastically decreased over the past few years and you are now seeing sub-$1000 TV's from major manufactures (i.e., Samsung, Sharp, Sony, etc.) Therefore I have a few questions. If you are to build a product, with a life expectancy of 7-10 years, wouldn't you incorporate the future mass market technology? If you did, wouldn't you make use of it now, knowing that some of these games would be purchased by 1080p owners in, let's say, 5 years from now? Just a thought.
Jinxstar  +   2887d ago
Dude seriously look into a DLP. The samsung off amazon was like 1600 and is amazing. I could not be happier. Good thing too when the bulb burns out you just replace it...
sak500  +   2887d ago
You got the wrong guy.. Nasim is actually living with his parents in thier attic with cobwebs all around. Sitting and typing posts on pentium 2 with 14" crt monitor and thinking of one day owning a ps1 when it comes down to 10$ so atleast he can claim he has a console.
skynidas  +   2887d ago
ps3 is the really nex gen machine
Maddens Raiders  +   2887d ago
That's because the PS3 was built -
for a gearbox with 6 gears and twin 4 stage turbos, while the 360 was built for a gearbox with 4 gears, no reverse and a faulty carb.

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Ri0tSquad  +   2887d ago
How much did you pay MVC2 for?
Last time I seen it at eb games it was around 70 bucks. Nice Collection tho
Maddens Raiders  +   2887d ago
65 USD -
and that was in 2005 at a store 1 hour away from me. I love that game -- it is a party favorite and a true crowd pleaser. I wish some old games like that would make a comback in full HD. I know SFII is coming and maybe FFVII, but I'm one of those people that have no problem playing the oldies but goodies in an 'upgraded' form. Imagine Shadow of the Colossus or Syphon Filter in a cleaner form. I love all of my old PS1/2 games and can play them all. If you look at the 2nd pic at the right of the smaller telly there is another stack of games next to it which I couldn't fit into the picture! Take care.
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cmrbe  +   2887d ago
Off the topic. What size (inch) is your display?. I am thinking of getting one from there in the States soon.
sak500  +   2887d ago
@Madden: "That's because the PS3 was built -
for a gearbox with 6 gears and twin 4 stage turbos"

Yes but with steam engine whereas 360 with 4 speed has a gasoline engine.

EDIT: Madden, appreciate your non lethal attack. BTW if you love gaming so much how come you're missing out on so many great games for 360. ITs time you wake up and drop your fanatic support to sony and check the other side. I'm sure you can afford one, just pick up an ELITE or the falcon and enjoy great games while you wait for MGS4, KZ2 GT5 etc.
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DarkArcani  +   2887d ago
Cause there are turbos in steam engines.

You were better of saying absolutely nothing.
Bathyj  +   2887d ago
Wait, there's gasoline in there?

That explains that burning smell.
Vertius  +   2887d ago
I have one question...
How come you have two copies of Resistance? :)
Maddens Raiders  +   2887d ago
Ok -
cmrbe - 65" Mitsu DLP 1080P with a 32" Bravia to the right.

sak500 - I really don't know what to say. I won't be mean so I'll say, please re-consider your allegiance to a certain something.

BathyJ - that was just too easy and too funny.

Vertius - I have two copies of a lot of games and more tellys in the back of the house because I like to play LAN MP games in the house so that everyone has their own telly or if we are going to play online against others no one has to suffer under one telly. I'm a bit of a TV hog so I want it all to myself even though 4 player split screen on Warhawk or Resistance look pretty sweet. Remember I'm one of the people that actually wants Evolution to keep the multi on Motorstorm the way it is now. Take care.

PSN's (some may be full) I'm sure; just keep trying. Please only add if you are on regularly otherwise you will get pushed off for more active players:

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WafflesID  +   2887d ago
Uhm, I don't think you will find TOO many 360 fans that won't concede that the PS3 has the better hardware. But as we all know the hardware is only as good as the games it can play. And all 3 systems have EXCELLENT games to play.

BAH what am I thinking. This is flamebait at best, and I walked right into it.
supaet  +   2887d ago
but the 360 can output every 360 game in 1080p

while the ps3 can only output 720p or even 480p (for 1080i tvs) for most of their games.
jack who  +   2887d ago
how do we spell O W N A G E
Ri0tSquad  +   2887d ago
You know something I dont?
Unless these cases are lying.....
perfect dark & PGR3 - 720p
crackdown, doa4, GRAW, forza, gears, and saints row only support up to 1080i

Lord Anubis  +   2887d ago
there's a difference between upscaled and Native resolutions.

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Premonition  +   2887d ago
upscaling to 1080p isnt native.
ActionBastard  +   2887d ago
"but the 360 can output every 360 game in 1080p"

C'mon now. Millions of 360 owners don't have an HDMI port on their console. 1080p doesn't really matter if your system doesn't support the connection method. Why tout the capabilities of something you're not capable of achieving?
Firestorm  +   2887d ago
The 360 can output 1080p via VGA or Component.
ActionBastard  +   2887d ago
How many HDTVs out there support 1080p resolution via component? How many people with HDTVs have a VGA connection on their TVs? Don't make it seem like it is a simple as connecting via VGA or component. There are more factors and the amount of spin some people put on it is sickening.
beardtm  +   2887d ago
Most HDTVs have a VGA/PC input. Also I know some older TVs dont, but most new 1080p TVs do indeed accept 1080p via component, otherwise there wouldn't be much point eh?
unlimited  +   2887d ago
dont forget war devil and uncharted and some other one coming sooon...
Jinxstar  +   2887d ago
Dude WARDEVIL will be such a bad ass underdog of a game. Come out of nowhere and pwone faces.
WilliamRLBaker  +   2887d ago
and how many games again on the ps3 are AAA and AA respectively compred to 360 again?

How many of those supposed 1080p games scored higher then AA and sold a million units?
I rest my case on this flame bait.
rsebes  +   2887d ago
WilliamRLBaker, you have no case.
You are trying to compare released games(quantity -not even going to mention quality)on a system that has been out for almost a year longer vs. the ps3 which is still in it's stages where developers are still learning about the platform. Just the fact that the ps3 can output higher resolutions 1080p natively @60fps from day one shows that it's truly next-gen compared to the 360. (upscaled doesn't even count because you always have some lost quality in the image. Thats why its called upscaled and not just 1080p) So WilliamSLBaker, before you "rest your case", learn the facts, Its clear to see which is going to be on top. Don't cloud your vision with all that is m$. Keep your "flamebait" to yourself, before you find out your really talking out of your a$$.

And to everyone else, let's all just wait and see what happens on October 12th for everyone in the PS universe. It'll be sure to be a "big bang". Remember, I told you so...
TheUltimatePS3Fanboy  +   2887d ago
Exclusivly brought to you by Mr. One Bubble Nasim. But seriously good article, don't worry xbots your 360's will finally be seen for the (lets hide our graphics with blur to make it look good) tactics for the true ugliness of 360.
timmyp53  +   2887d ago
the same thing can be said to your buddy bloodmask
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TheUltimatePS3Fanboy  +   2887d ago
Yeah ok whatever
Tell me what game. Because I can honestly say if you think Gears of War as pure beautiful your stupid.
Pain70  +   2887d ago
bennyace  +   2887d ago
Who cares!!
Fist of all the system that has sold the most unit (the WII) can only display 480p so it doesn't seem to be a very important feature and secondly I doubt that most people playing either a PS3 or the XBOX 360 actually have a 1080p tv set. I'm sure that it's not the majority.
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Spinitus  +   2887d ago
ps3= nex gen
poor xbums with 40"+ 1080p HDTV's and can't experience their prefer games in full power.
snoop_dizzle  +   2887d ago
well yeah 95 percent of the earths population couldnt experience that becasue they are either dirt poor or don't have enough money. But yeah you sound like such a nice person.

Next time i want to wack off to graphics ill look at a spec sheet. There are some great games, but really if people consider themselves real gamers, that wouldn't be a defining factor, just the icing on the cake.

If KZ2 can look good in 720p so what if its not in 1080p, ill live.

Edit: and if its so important as you say, explain the wii to me.
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TheFatOne  +   2887d ago
@WilliamRLBaker - wouldn't a game selling 1 million units make it AAA?
GIJeff  +   2887d ago
Its not a discussion
about units sold in 2 years, or anything like that. The topic is PS3 allows for higher resolution output. PERIOD. The ps3's ram is amazing, far better than that ancient SH1T in the 360. Just give it up, the ps3 is a freaking beast. Launch games(like resistance and motorstorm) look better than halo3.....whats that tell you?
jack who  +   2887d ago
in other news.
360 has had over 15 games sold copys in the millions ps3 only 3
mirroredderorrim  +   2887d ago
ps2 had over 15 titles sell over a million while xbox360 was released up till now. What's your point?
akira  +   2887d ago
xbox 360 an inferior machine
wow!now you can really say that xbox 360 is inferior machine. its like this being ahead by a year and all they can show up is 2 games on 1080p WTF! while ps3 has 24 and counting! wow! again.

this just shows the advantages of having blueraydisc on your side. yayyy! as i said blue ray all the way! beat that xbots!!! flame on!!!
JasonPC360PS3Wii  +   2887d ago
SDTVs are still 98% of the market so there is probably only 24 people playing this in 1080p, sorry droids there just isn't enough people in this world and most of them are buying a Wii and 360 anyway.
reaperxciv  +   2887d ago
the ps3 truly is the most advanced game console in the world today...
too bad, it's sweetspot will be in 2009
harv052  +   2887d ago
Only one word...BOOYAKASHA!!!
Sayai jin  +   2887d ago
No a big thing. Remember that the PS3 boasts 1080p out of the box, but the 360 goes for 1080i out of the box.
good2face  +   2887d ago
The Darkness
I don't think The Darkness is really running at 1080p because I have both 360 and PS3 and the 360 version is definitely smoother looking. PS3 version has a lot more aliasing/jaggies.

Also although NBA 2k8 is 1080p, it doesn't look any smoother than the 360 version. I really don't know about this whole 1080p business, b/c 1080p games don't necessarily look better. They must be just upscaling lower resolutions to 1080p cuz the games do not look that great.
u got owned  +   2887d ago
Who facking care unless u have a 50" inches tv you would no se the differences between 720p and 1080p. Of all the people here taking sh@t probably half owns a HD tv maybe less than that.
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karlostomy  +   2887d ago
Oh deary me.. PS3 fanboys
Crikey! Strike me pink!!

The PS3 cage has well amd truly been rattled.
Come on PS3 fanboys.. hissing and spitting won't get more
AAA titles or market penetration.

PS3 power?
Madden 08 @ 30fps on PS3 (oh deary me....)
MAdden 08 @ 60fps on 360 smooth as silk

Ps3 power?
GRAW 2 on PS3 jerky, jitters (oh deary me...)
GRAW 2 on 360 smooth as silk

AFTER EXTRA DEVELOPMENT TIME for all multis for PS3.....
WHy is it so hard to make good games for PS3?
Why is it so hard to sell PS3?
WHy do the graphics look the same or worse all the time?

then again..... at least 24 games run at 1080p.

PS3 fanboy ego saved!
ActionBastard  +   2887d ago
Sony doesn't develop Madden. Or GRAW2. Gee what does HALO 3 run at again? 360 FTW!
karlostomy  +   2887d ago
@action bastard
Quote "Sony doesn't develop Madden. Or GRAW2."
What has the fact that sony aint developing those games got to do with it?

Still those games run poorly on ps3 compared to 360.
WHY WHY WHY? i thought the PS3 was superior?
WHen will it become superior 2009?

you have got to be kidding????
WHat monkey is gonna wait until then?
a 8800GTX640mb overclocked will sell for $100 by then...

Just stating FACTS.
ActionBastard  +   2887d ago
It has everything to do with it. Acting like the PS3 is the reason Madden is running at 30fps is ignorant. They don't DEVELOP the game. If there were no games running at 60fps on PS3, your "argument" would be valid. Silly fanboy.
karlostomy  +   2887d ago
dude, your name should be REactionbastard because
that is all that you seem to be doing.

How about some PROactive insights?
oh and by the way did sony make you pay extra for the hdmi cable so you can watch 1080p? haha what a joke.

$1100 for PS3 (aus)
$50 for rumble controller
$50 for HDMI
hoooooooly craaaap!!!!
FOr $1200 i can buy a good Gaming PC with 400gb HDD INCLUDING HD MONITOR!!!

ok anyway, you completely missed my point which was:
-the PS3 STILL does not deliver
-the PS3 does WORSE IN MULIPLATFORM regardless of developer
-the silly fanboy herd doesn't like it one bit
and still you worship Sony like a clown

grow up silly fanboy
ActionBastard  +   2887d ago
You have no rebuttal, so you include price to the claims of the PS3 not being powerful...ok. The fact that you have included it, is as sad as it is funny. The fact is your wrong. You're coming off like a 360 fanboy and are sounding downright stupid. Duck and dodge by including thing that have nothing to do with the topic. That proves my point. Get ready to buy a 720 in 2 and half yrs. Dreamcast vs. PS2 all over again.
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power of Green  +   2887d ago
Most of those games are inferior graphiclly in the first place, simple games that require little to get them to run with those specs, the Multi platform games do not run as good on the PS3. This has more to do with MSFt's standards in how games run on their console than anything. Notice how all the graphically great more -complex games for PS3 do not 60 fps at 1080p. Nice try chump.

Those specs are what Sony tries to push and what MSFT does not. Preference of the companies have everything to do with these consoles rez's. ATI has said the 360 will be able to do all these things better than PS3 once devs learn the hardware.
DarkArcani  +   2887d ago
I thought the 360 was easier to develop for. Therefore, the "inferior graphiclly in the first place, simple games that require little to get them to run with those specs" games would be easy to get the resolution up on. Am I right?

Oh and Microsoft's "standards" promising that games will run native at 720p.

Also, "complex games for PS3 do not 60 fps at 1080p," kinda like Ninja Gaiden and GT5 cause those aren't complex, any dev can do that.

Don't try to make your console of choice sound like the innocent man.... They are both evil twins (ps3 & 360).
genericname  +   2887d ago
anyway you slice it, 360 = last gen
u got owned  +   2887d ago
anyway you slice it


see i can do that too =P
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