Now that Sony have implemented a cloud storage system, is it time for Microsoft to follow suit with the Xbox 360?
If they do, they will increase the price of XBL Gold
it's a good point, Microsoft are always looking to get the most money out of people
they already have. You can buy stuff from the marketplace through a pc and then download it to your 360 or a friends 360 if you sign in as yourself. Your achievements and friends list are all attached to the gamertag, not the console. Game saves would be nice to upload but I would think it is just quicker and more convenient to have your profile on a thumbdrive. I do and I will take my profile from one 360 to another and download a game I bought and play it from anywhere. With the exception of having to download the game on another 360, i keep my saves with me at all times. Now if sony had autosync then we are talking. You play a game and get to a certain point. You save/upload the save to your psn profile. Go to a friends house with the game (or download the game through psn profile on their ps3) and get your save from your psn profile. Get further in the game and it autosaves your progress changes to the cloud version so you dont have to remember to do it yourself. That would be nice.
How did you just spin the question to more suggestions for the PS3, which already has cloud storage? You're cool with the 360 not having it at all, but you also expect more from the PS3 which actually has the feature.
because maybe having the feature doesn't necessarily mean it is as useful as one would like it.
don't forget the adapter!! how would it work w/o one :D
@gamingdroid But not having the feature is better?
For a few saves??? I think not, my game saves are not that important, but I havent lost any in 5 years now...
Think of cloud storage as insurance. You never know when you will need it, but you thank fuck you have it when you do.
I wish more games utilized Steam Cloud.
Or extend the value of the current subscription
Sony's cloud service isnt all the great anyway! For starts limiting it to subscribers of Playstation Plus just moves further towards an Xbox Live style.. and the lack of subscription was always something that made Playstations online kick Xbox's ass!
I hope that Sony keeps the online play free and those awesome features like Cloud available only to Plus subscribers.
Do you think Plus is too expensive for what it is? £40 a year for a couple of free games and 150MB of space?
I dont think the limitation comes with its cost. I think to a certain extent it could do with more space and some other features. But at the same time it's jsut early days and I'd hope sony so develop it a lot. Playstation Plus itself is good for the content a lot more rewarding than Xbox Live, which is a plus.. I just think opening the cloud to a wider basis would be cool, even if it was just on different levels.
PlayStation Plus is well worth the money, Im actually suprised at how much stuff you get with the $50 price tag. I have at least 20+ games free/15+ Dynamic Themes free/20+ Regular Themes free/Big discounts on games and DLC and many other features. Plus all the other stuff that is either free or discounted, plus the early access to demos and other stuff. I spend $50 on a service that has literaly saved me hundreds of dollars.(and I haven't even used the the full 13 months yet) The only time Microsoft gives away free stuff is if your 360 blows up and burns down your house. I recently stopped paying for Xbox Live (Gold) because it really has no value (exept for X game chat)when compared to PS Plus.
The amount of stuff you get free with psn isnt really free. Its free for the length of your membership. Cancel at any time but you dont get to keep the free gifts. The only stuff you are guaranteed to keep are items you bought at a discounted price. Funny thing is that once you sign up it shows sony that people are willing to pay for the service. At least MS had a paying service from the beginning and added a free component to the service. Not hiding anything there. Sony has the potential to start dwindling down things that are really free if it feels they can make $$ off it. Like members only content for games. Being a free member and you buy a new game only to find that while you can play online...you cant play online in the same tracks, levels, maps, etc that are deemed "members only". I dont blame sony for cashing in on the membership side of things. After all...there have to be some things that make the service worth paying for. You have to have that feeling of worth to make it as if you are above the rest who are just a bunch of freeloaders. They had to start off free to get people interested in it. Now they have moved into the same strategy as any other membership service. Find ways to get more members. When you have signed up a member...you give them stuff to keep them a member.
@darth.The things you get from PS Plus you get to keep even if you cancel. Free means something has no cost. Spin it all you want but the free things you get from PS plus you get to keep.
@Darth Dude what are you saying the only point of psn+ is services and content cause playing online is free without paying......so if they were to theoretically ever start to dwindle on service then people will leave cause that is the whole point of psn+ from the beginning.......its not like people are forced to continue to pay to play online
that is news to me. They must have changed their ToC. It was my understanding that the free games are free for the extent of your membership. You renew...you keep on playing that game. You cancel, that game or other free content becomes invalid. If that is no longer the case, then i will sign up. Also, to be honest, free doesnt always mean what we think it means. Sometimes there are conditions. Free for a ltd time. Free while supplies last. Free for as long as you are a member. Those are just a few marketing examples still in use today by businesses. edit: @black "its not like people are forced to continue to pay to play online" that remains to be seen. I dont want to ever see that happen on psn but there is just to much temptation for sony not to make a little $$$ off the service by way of exclusive game content and play modes. That includes online. If they came out and said we are having an exclusive members only tournament in gt5 do you think non members would be upset at not being able to participate? Sony knows when and where to stike when it comes to manipulating their service. If they want to start have members only areas in home, they will do it. Same goes for any of their high profile games. I never said online play would NOT remain free. I am simply saying what could happen with creating more relevance to the service for paid members. If I were a paid member, I would like it if there were exclusive game maps or tracks to play in that the freebies cant. It certainly would make the service worth more to me.
"Cancel at any time but you dont get to keep the free gifts" Wrong, we get to keep everything. Games, themes(or dynamic themes), avatars. It only means the game that were FREE won't work but you can still use theme, avatars. "Its free for the length of your membership" What services aren't like like? Can you continue to use Netflix or GameFly or your internet connection if you STOP paying them? At least peopl can still playing games ONLINE even if they don't want to buy PLUS. "At least MS had a paying service from the beginning and added a free component to the service. Not hiding anything there" When did Sony HIDE it? Jack Tretton SAID it during the E3 conference last year and many magzine and website have post the info of PS plus. If people don't know that only means two things, they are either ignorant or too lazy to check/research it. "Being a free member and you buy a new game only to find that while you can play online...you cant play online in the same tracks, levels, maps, etc that are deemed members only" That's funy cause if this was a problem to you how come I don't see you complain about XBL's services? cause if you aren't a gold member you CAN'T play online with your friends, you CAN't use most XBL features whereas PSN let you do all those things WITHOUT PAYING and I don't know where you get the "Can't play the same tracks, lvls, maps thing" It has nothing to do with the Plus, you just have to play or buy the DLC like everyone else.
@ Win everything purchased with PlayStation Plus, and yes even if it says "FREE" it is still a purchase, is only able to be used while you have a current subscription to PS+. As soon as you cancel your subscription you lose all access to anything you got from PlayStation Plus. (on a side note, buying the DLC for a discounted price isnt part of that deal. so people dont worry about not being able to play your dlc that you got for 20% off if you cancel. Only games you got "FREE" from PlayStation Plus are unavailable after you cancel.)
cloud saves are not AWESOME lol. Wow i have 320 gb harddrive but i can save a few games that take up 20mb to the cloud? WHO CARES? If sony saved my profile to the cloud so i could use my content and saves on my friends ps3 that would be cool.
"Once downloaded, the games are yours to keep and play as long as you are a member of PlayStation Plus. If your subscription lapses and then you re-subscribe, the games you have already downloaded will reactivate, so you still have access to them. Additionally, if you delete one of the titles from your PS3, but decide you want to get it back, then you can re-download from the PlayStation Plus section of the PSN Store if the game is still there, or, if the game has expired from the PlayStation Plus section of the PSN Store, you can simply search for it on PS Store and download it again at no extra cost." This is from the PS blog about the Plus service. So far it has been the costco of online services. I would actually like it if sony had some members only maps in KZ3 or tracks in GT5. It would give the service more worth to those who pay. Otherwise they see the free people playing in the same games as them and they will wonder why they are paying. It cant just be for the discounts.
I'm pretty sure the basic online will always remain free it's just if you desperately want those extra features PS Plus seems like the way to go. Hell I'm surprised Microsoft doesn't allow users to play the basic online with a Silver Membership and just offer the extra crap if you want to sign up as a Gold member. (I'll never understand it.)
Way to prove them wrong darth And you still got all the disagrees. I thought everyone knew that about PSN plus, but I guess not.
Multiplayer in PSN will always be free. Remember this is Sony not Microsoft.
I'll wager anything that next generation your statement is not true.
It will still be true because Sony has raked in a lot of people into PSN because of its free online. And i still expect it to be free in the future. People will expect PSN to be free and so it shall remain free. Theres no point in charging to play online. However there will be a plus service that will provide many benefits.
like I said, I will wager ANYTHING your wrong.
Ok How about your life? The one who looses has to slit his wrists with razor blades and to prove it you have to do it via a web cam. LOL im just kidding. But you will never be right you know. Only Microsoft is capable of charging you to play online with a P2P based system. That is why PSN is free to play online. Because it is a open network with an online system similar to those on PCs. If they charge for PSN devs will charge for PC as well.
Dude have you ever used storage before?? It cost MONEY to implement things like that bro...how are they suppose to support that infrastructure and maintain it so it is always accessible and working without any funds?? For what you get with Plus it is well worth the price...If M$ does the same then I would hope they wouldn't need to up the price of the service for it..but then again M$ still hasn't been able to justify the cost of live to me anyways..but that is just me.
Dude they have sky drive they could integrate that into xbl
Cloud based systems can be useful, but you have to have the bandwidth to go along with it. It don't really see it as being an issue as both consoles come with pretty adequate space now anyway.
good idea for people with old xbox 360 on a verge of RRoD
couldn't they just use a usb stick though?
could do. people have choices to make. on usb, external hdd or cloud storage
You can't copy copying-prohibited data via usb. You can via Cloud storage.
Cloud backups would have saved my life when mine died =/ Oh well!
I accidentally clicked "delete profile and items" and was 20 hours in ff13
"good idea for people with old xbox 360 on a verge of RRoD" durr... RROD doesn't effect the HDD at all
Works good for me when I have saves that I can't back up to USB.
Noone NEEDS cloud storage, it would be a welcome addition however.
I NEEDED it. Because i could not copy my Copying-prohibited Data without it unless i brought another ps3 and done a full ps3 to ps3 back up.
I agree, I lost my Rainbow six 2 save because I couldn't transfer it to the USB drive so I lost the progress(same as Dragon Age saved data) Now have the cloud storage I won't have to worry about losing it, so is a NEEDED feature to ME.
With what people are paying for gold it should be included.
Any feature that improves something is worth having. Cloud is not needed, but a good feature that should be supported. I don't see any good reason why Cloud wouldn't benefit 360 owners. I'm fine using my USB stick, but I'd like to transfer my copy-righted save files.
I have already used the cloud and its great. It will increase over time. The storage space saved me from dropping the service this year.
Need it? Yes, will XBL cost more? Yes. I wouldn't mind being able to play my games off of cloud Vs having them on my hard drive (At least for the 360 I wouldn't mind).
what happens when the service goes down, your screwed.
@sethbalmore Well lets I check, Xbox users say there online is better then PSN, so if that is true what do they need to worry about? And how are you screwed?
Halo Reach kind of does already
So does Gears. I was pleasantly surprised to find my campaign waiting for me after I bought another Xbox 2 years after I sold my first. All the collectibles were still accounted for too!
Only thing Xbox needs is a definite RROD/RLOD fix.
yeah but knowing MS it will mean just mean they will want an extra £5 a month or something.
You know, this feature is for plus-subscibers only, it's not free either. I would gladly get plus for psn, but it just isn't worth it (atleast not here where I am, EU Finland).
This would be a very helpful feature especially if you loose all of your save data.....
Wow, Im 5 years in and I haven't lost all my data even once yet, and I am on my third hard drive... Heck the first couple of years the 20gig was enough because xbox attaches games to your profile and I could delete the games that I had downloaded and redownload them later if I wanted them again...
I know/heard some games already incorporate cloud saving cod franchise for example with your online level and stuff.
it sucks that you have to have a ps+ membership to use the cloud storage atleast sell it separately because i have no interest in ps+ at all but i want to back up my copy protected saves :(
This thread is a perfect example of how ps3 fan trolls use straw man arguments against the xbox. We don't need this at all... There is zero demand for this feature on the xbox for whatever reason...
Cloud? No 360 need games 1st lol.
Of course the 360 doesn't need cloud storage. It didn't need HDMI, it didn't need Blu-Ray, it didn't need motion controls, it didn't need a redesign... why would it need something like cloud storage? /s
HDMI wasn't widely used or available. The original Xbox had HD and was the first HD console. Blue Ray is debatable, but seeing as how were winding down this console generation and the Xbox 360 is still going strong without it, I'm going to say they really didn't need it this generation. Trolls look for any excuse to say one thing or another, I seriously doubt many PS3 users use this feature and as someone who has both a PS3 and XBox 360 I can say I'll never use it. Heck what is wrong with Sony? I mean they make you pay all that extra for PS+ just to get some extra storage that you could get for free??? What's that argument remind you of?
Are you saying the 360 needed HDMI, motion controls, etc? I'm saying it didn't... "I mean they make you pay all that extra for PS+ just to get some extra storage that you could get for free???" Umm.. PSN+ gives free games, themes, etc. To the tune of a lot more than $50 worth per year, too. You don't get squat from XBL Gold for $60/year... oh yeah except the ability to play online and use Netflix, etc... which you should get for free. You're asking what's up with Sony, when I'm thinking "what's wrong with MS?" Don't 360 gamers deserve the same good treatment? Shouldn't they all be able to play for free online? Use a Netflix service they already pay for? Other companies (Sony, Nintendo) give those services away free. Why can't MS again?
I'm saying HDMI is a fine option, but I lived with a launch Xbox 360 console until last year when I bought a new 360s. As for Motion controls, I wont ever fully use those to replace standard ones, but it's a fine option to play from time to time for a nice change of pace. PSN+ doesn't give you free games, it pretty much rents them to you. If you've never used XBL, then you'll never understand why I hate PSN so much, it's a lot of big reasons and a million small ones, Party chat, Feedback player system, Ability to appear offline, better structure and easier to use and a ton of other reasons. As a last little note I'll state I've never, EVER paid $60 for XBL, I usually pay $30 via Amazon sales or XBL sales, last XBL sale I got a actual free game, not download but physical copy of a free game, they run those programs all the time. So pretty much it's getting XBL for free. Currently I'm paid up for the next few years. PS+ is the ripoff of all ripoff's IMHO, they did nothing to improve simple things like quality of voice chat, Voice messaging or server fixes. As I said, it's a million little things and some big ones, but unless you've played both and used both regularly your not in a position to judge.
Raven_Nomad, I agree with you, I played X0 for over three years, until it broke, well it works sometimes, but I desided to buy PS3 since it has a lot of games I had not played, and some my friends had it. "it's a lot of big reasons and a million small ones, Party chat, Feedback player system, Ability to appear offline, better structure and easier to use and a ton of other reasons." This is just how I feel too sometimes. It's little things that makes navigating PSN etc, that are really frustrating sometimes, like how the Store isn't as well integrated, and is really clustered. Trroy "Umm.. PSN+ gives free games, themes, etc. To the tune of a lot more than $50 worth per year, too. You don't get squat from XBL Gold for $60/year... oh yeah except the ability to play online and use Netflix, etc... which you should get for free. You're asking what's up with Sony, when I'm thinking "what's wrong with MS?" Don't 360 gamers deserve the same good treatment? Shouldn't they all be able to play for free online? Use a Netflix service they already pay for? " I don't know if your talking about US-region, since here in EU it pretty much sucks, atleast from my view of point. Free games are 2€ "minis", themes I would not buy anyway, add-ons discounts to games I don't own, extended demos, etc.. Believe me, I do check what plus offers every month, and I have not been tempted to get it yet. And we don't have Netflix here either : / And like Raven stated, gold can be cheaper. I got last time 13months for about 27€ if I remember right. Don't get me wrong, I'm really happy that most stuff is free with PS, but I just don't see the point of plus.. Well, it's kinda new thing still, and maybe in the future..
Nah, Xbox 360 doesn't need this, for that matter PS3 doesn't need this. I can see this thing not really being used to be honest. It also seems a bit unreliable and even a way for Sony or other companies to go through your files ect..... Anyone with an MP3 player or Ipod can easily upload a gamertag or save info on that for portability. Seems like a much safer and quicker method to me.