Gamernode's Frank Ling poses the question from Halo 3 Limited Edition disc scratches to RRoD: what happened to Microsoft's quality control?
they had quality control? Since when?
Aren't the early adopters the ones who do QC for Microsoft? That's how it's been for years. Quality Control? We don't need no stinkin quality control.
micr05h1t doesnt have quality control...the 360 is on stores
i'll go ahead and jump in front of the bus on this one. quality control wise, it seems like they've gaffed. here's the hit and miss in the aftermath for me:
Hits: replacing systems and discs, extending warranties
Misses: Not owning up to the cause of RRoD, therefore offering no definitive assurance that future hardware releases are void of the problem. Length of time to get a system back.
Guess I'll just keep my fingers crossed every time I fire up my 360. ;) Or maybe they could send me a countdown clock??
edit: @3.1 fair enough, lol.
that countdown clocks 3rd party or you'll be sending that bad boy back to ;)
as lame as I think it is for this issue to be brought up every 5 minutes, I gotta admit...that was pretty damn funny :)
I don't know what all the fuss is about.
Probably over a dozen people I know personally have 360's. One RRoD'd. Another failed because the disc drive screwed up. But he's one of my friend who really doesn't take care of his property.
For the last week I've been playing H3 more than 10 hours a day easily, all at one time, never turning the console off. No lockups, no RRoD.
Launch console also.
Why is it lame? cuz its about your beloved 360? give it rest!
And NoBiz, yeah you're right, not that many people have had their 360s fail. Oh i dont know, except for like say over 3+ million users (at least) that have gone through it, but you're right, its not that much. I'ma laugh when yours go. And just so you know, im on my 3rd 360 now and that thing has been doing nothing but freezing up and disc read erroring left and right since i got it. So number 4, here i come
they have quality control at microsoft????
some people need firing then.
they have quality control at microsoft????
some people need firing then.
NO NO, You mean some people need hiring...XD
(since there doesn't seem to be a QA team)
It's bad when 360 has it's own wiki article for Technical Problems.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik... When it's a bunch of caged animals with no intelligence holding a controller, what do you expect from Micro$hit?
Microsoft and quality in the same sentence... Just lol.
What happened to news4fanboys. Ah well its not like it was ever a respectable site to begin with.
you could always go spead your hate on one of them.
It's become NewsByGamers
You have to sift through all the crap that gets posted thats nothing but forum posts and blogs to get to the decent stuff.
But there are still enough good things being posted that it's worth wading through the pools of fanboy bile...
sme thing that happened with the ps3s lack of quality game control..seriously sony poured millions into projucts like lair and hs....what happened? lets see what happens when people actually get a real game on the ps3..the ps3s failure rate well skyrocket..and we all know how bad sonys customer service is...no warranties for you..
also, i think you might be confussed as to what 'quality control' is, its not software produced by 3rd party companies for a start.
I have friends that have left thier PS3's on for days at a time. If it was going to have the problems you are talking about don't you think we would have seen them by now ? If I remember correctly the 360 was failing right out of the gate with first gen games running.
What a lame post. Sony has plenty of good games. Lair had more good reviews than bad too. The bad reviews were because of lazy reviewers who didn't want to get used to controls. And Heavenly Sword is good too. You just haven't played the games.
Besides, I can leave [email protected]
...leaving an Xbox360 on for days? That'd be total murder suicide
people don't need quality products, just some quality brainwashing marketing :D Halo 3 10/10 all the way...
edit: BloodySinner so? you get, what you pay for, and i will gladly pay more for some quality product... and btw. i also bought xbox360 for 400$ and a Wii for 250$ :P but Halo 3 was downloaded thx to some quality torrents :D no problem with disc, thx Microsoft :)
$600 for a PS3 which you bought, all the way. :-/
why does it bother you what price the ps3 is?? if it cost $2000 and i was comfortable with paying that what difference does that make to you?
even with the lack of games i think you'll find it hard to find a ps3 owner who doesnt think they got their moneys worth.
edit : segamer, you own a game store yet you PAID for a console?? strange. perhaps your right, but i have about 10 friends with 360's and about half of them are going to be trading them in for ps3's once MGS is released and they've finished with halo so i guess theres 2 sides to every coin.
I only payed $300 for my Playstation 3 and it isn't worth that to me. Because I own a game store, I'm surrounded by gamers on a daily basis. I don't know a single gamer (that owns all three consoles) thats happy with their Playstation 3. The only people happy with PS3 are those that only have a playstation 3 and thats because they don't know why it sucks. They have nothing to compare it too.
Seriously quit smoking Microsoft's pipe already... It's gross.
I have both the PS3 and Wii and I haven't touched my wii in 2 months...
Yeah yeah Metroid Prime: corruption. Blah blah blah. That's about it.
Yeah but you don't have a 360, so who are you to talk? You're playing the crap that I finished last year. The Playstation 3 is a shovelware system and is riddled with Xbox 360 hand me downs.
i have 360 and a ps3, so i guess i'm allowed to talk now? i like my ps3, count me among the satisfied customers and I bought it on launch day. i also like my 360, in case that needs mentioning to meet your stringent criteria.
so now you know 1 person that likes their ps3, AND i own a 360 so i have all the perspective in the world to "know better". do i need to tell you what other systems i have and what i've played on them? ;)
I do actually respect your opinion and that would be because you have a basis for your opinion. My basis is that I get to play all new games as soon as they come out for whatever system I want. I usually try them all out. For myself, I've usually played an Xbox 360 demo or game far before I've ever get to play a Playstation 3 version of the same game; simply because Xbox 360 usually gets their Multi-platform games first. Playstation 3 renditions of Multi-Platform games are usually old news to me by the time they make it into my hands.
There are many things that I find light years better on the Xbox 36O over Playstation 3. I hate that everytime I put in a PSone or PS2 game, the controller disconnects. I've never once had my Xbox 360 controller disconnect. I hate that I have to make virtual memory cards on the Playstation 3. Whenever I switch between a PSone and PS2 game, you have to virtually Switch out the memory cards. With Xbox 360, it just saves old Xbox games. It's that easy.
I hate the way PSN updates firmware. YOu have to do a search for an update and then go through some stupid user agreement, download it and install it. Firmware updates usually take an hour or so. Xbox updates are automatic. It usually takes a few seconds.
I like that when you download a trial version of an Arcade game off of Xbox live, it simply unlocks when you pay for it. On PSN, you download the demo, and them you have to download the full game. It doesn't even delete the demo you no longer want. You have to manually do that too.
I hate that my PS3 controllers have no rumble. There are tons of PS2 games that I love rumble with (mostly racing). I hate the idea of paying another $50 6 months from now for rumble enhanced PS3 controllers.
I have my Playstation 3 connected to an HDTV at home through HDMI. Sometimes I bring it to work (I only have Standard Def TVs at work) and often forget to manually go into the system and change it to standard Def. So when I get to work, all I can hear is sound. If this were to happen with Xbox 360, I just hit a switch on the back of the Cables. Changing from HDMI to AV cables is a b1Tch. You have to have both cables plugged in and toggle between video settings.
Playstation 3 games sell like A$$. I still have a butt load of Launch titles and discounted prices rotting away on the shelf.
Did I mention that I like achievement points?
So I'm not to favorable towards Playstation 3. And those are my reasons. Next time you hear me say it sucks, that's why.
you know u say that u work at a game store and shouldnt u know how to work with consoles?? ok so u do then tell me why that when u take ur ps3 to work that when u turn it on hold down the power button for 5 seconds and u will hear a beep. and omg it changes it default output settings.
and if u are a gamer then why do u have to hate on a system that plays games. and by making a virtual memory card...hello you have to partition a part of the hard drive for a memory card!
and once if you call ur self a gamer.....then why dont u except all games and quit smoking a microsoft pipe that will show three red lights of hit so much
Or do you spend your days on this site seeking out 360 news to bash on it?
For a system you hate so much and probably never will own I don't get what it is with you just hating all the time. Why?
Did MS kill your family or something?? Are you trying to me Mr. Consumer Advocate?? Are you having butt sex with Kaz??
GuCCi512, I didn't know that you could do that by holding down the the power button. I did go through the manual and failed to find that piece of information. That is part of the problem with Playstation 3, I shouldn't have to bleed to enjoy it. For video and sound setting and any other kind of setting, there are a hundred million options. The interface isn't friendly in the least.
As for partitioning part of the hard drive for a memory card, as I mentioned before, to save original Xbox Games on the Xbox 360, you don't have to partition crap. The 360 just does it for you.
I own a game store and as I mentioned, I couldn't be unhappier with the Playstation 3's performance.
Sorry to say it that drastic Segamer, but you are an obvious moronic tool. And if you handle your job as incompetent as you handle your troubleshooting i fear the worst for your customers.
"I did go through the manual and failed to find that piece of information. That is part of the problem with Playstation 3, I shouldn't have to bleed to enjoy it. For video and sound setting and any other kind of setting, there are a hundred million options. The interface isn't friendly in the least."
In the support manual, under troubleshooting on the first page:
"no image is displayed on your screen"
-> If the selected videomode is not compatible with your used cable or TVset switch off the system and then HOLD THE POWER BUTTON FOR APROX 5 SECONDS TO RESET THE CONSOLE TO DEFAULT VIDEO OUTPUT"
Splendid, its in the manual, at the right place, in plain writing, but you FAIL TO FIND IT.
Finding requires at least looking, and guess what customers read when they troubleshoot something (except people like you of course, who need a support tech standing behind you all times cause you are to darn stupid to read a manual) they read the troubleshooting section of the manual. The info is also printed into the Quick reference guide, guess where ? YES under "different video connections" "If you change the video cables blabla does not show a picture blabla 5 seconds blabla" - the same tip the troubleshooting manual offers. You therefor managed to NOT read it in the TWO Manuals you got, the troubleshooting guide and the quick reference guide.
Next time when you feel like telling lies about yourself "reading the manual and not finding the information" then do us a favor and make up at least a believable incident, not some easily busted crap.
Video setup is done with two EASY and intuitive steps , select the cable you use (it even shows a picture of the cable and plugs so even someone like yourself may manage it) and then click on "automatic" .. my how COMPLICATED that is. If you WANT to use different settings and tune your outputs for Sound and video you CAN do it, having the option to do so is the opposite of BAD.
Btw, the system informs you with an info screen when a firmware update is ready, without searching, as soon as you log into PSN. And unlike the Xbox360, the PS3 does not brick on a firmware update.
Whoops wrong thread this is the PS3 section.
PS3 is still dead last MSFT will get it right next gen I mean Sony got it right the third time with its PS2 issues.
PS3 fanboys PS3 is still getting its ass kicked after $100 proce cut lol. PS3 isn't as advanced thats why it has less issues Just kidding but for real its not as advanced.
MSFT is fixing the issues PS3 is still deal last Mua hahahahaha.
First off the PS2 disc read error wasn't even close the the RROD. 1/3 of all 360's fail, come on that has to send you xbots a message. You complain why the rest of the world doesn't buy the 360, it's not because of the games it's because the 360 it's a piece of crap. Do you think M$ offers the rest of the world UPS service?
The 360 is known to be a piece of crap, and no one outside of the U.S. will ever buy a piece of crap for $400. Flame all you want, but I rather pay $500 for a hardware built with quality, than $400 for a ticking bomb
The situation with Playstation 2 and Xbox 360 were very similar. The Playstation 2 was a crappy piece of hardware (Quality Control wise) but it had a fantastic selection of games. The Playstation 3 is a well made system with nothing to play. At least not at $60 a pop. I would rather have an Xbox 360, enjoy the hell out of it, have it break a year later and get a new one from Microsoft. Than to have a $600 system that has nothing good to play on it.
Ps2 hardware was not bad the only problem that the ps2 had was with the lazer, and i bet if people would have just cleaned the damn thing that would have solved the problem, (I know because that's what i did). You never had to wrap towels around the ps2 to get it to work. And believe me there are better games on the ps3 then there are on the 360, it's all just a matter of opinion, because the only game that interests me on the 360 is mass effect and that's not even out yet.
Your writings just keep getting stupider and stupider, that sh!t is hardly even illegible. But anyways, what else would i expect from a [email protected]
M$: "here you go, please take a free copy of our crappy Perfect Dark Zero and Kameo for your troubles" when they couldn't sale them anyways.
Could have been a good system.. Could have.
I too have had my fair share of Problems. My original Xbox 360 (which was a launch system) finally gave out yesterday. I'd say it was a good run because it's on 5-9 hours a day at my shop. I do have my Halo Xbox 360 as a back up. As for my Playstation 3, although I rarely play it, it does seem durable. I can't see it breaking down anytime soon. This late in the game, Microsoft should have the RROD hammered out. Microsofts Quality Control should be better. Hey, at least they are fixing the problem. Sony Never fixed my 3 Broken PS2 systems for free. Disc Read Error... UG!
What happened to Microsoft?
This is what you would expect from a last gen console that still uses dvd-9 as the primary storage format for their games.
Why do you think the sales for the hardware are so high. 360 Fans probably bought two consoles just in case one broke down and is in the shop for repairs.
I wouldn't be surprised if they announced another Xbox next year and that too will RROD. They will continue to make cheap sh*t and charge you a premium for it and MS fans have no problem bending over and taking it up the a$$ because that's what they do anyways.
360 sales so high like the supposed 100 million PS2's sold lol. MSFT replaces RROD 360's how do they count as sales? lol. I knew PS2 fans that had three or four PS2's and they would mix and match parts taking them apart to get one to work lol because Sony wouldn't replace them.
You're sure are a clever Sony fanboy but you're not fooling anybody.
Its funny you people trying to hold on to something that will be a thing of the past due to being frustrated, the PS3 had to come out with many PS3's some of which have differnt functions and capabilities and many price cuts that dropped its price by $200 in only 11 months.
People trust in MSFT's game plan this is why you can find many news posts about how RROD did not effect its sales much let alone kill the console.
To all the members in here except two people:
Move on!, we do not need to hear how you hate the 360 and how its crap and how the PS3 will win no matter what because you say so.
hey why dont u try to stay on topic!! and stop infecting us with ur ignorance
like microsoft and quality control
with the sony optical disc drives.
does that mean another company needs to copy?
PS3 is dead last. PS2 won despite its issues if Sony can fix quality control so can MSFT. LOL
Come in here to vent lol.
Go ahead rabbit, flap your suck. The turtle was dead last too...for a time.
That time is coming to an end.
you know that the PS2 was last gen and here you are comparing the 360 quality with the PS2....People don't even remember any issues with the PS2 because it wasn't 1/3 of PS2's. The 360 everyone remembers it because everyone knows at least 2 or 3 people that have gotten the RROD.
You xbots like to make it like it's okay to have RROD and wait 2 or 3 months for M$ to fix it...The truth is no electronic no matter if it's a vcr, dvd player, stereo, tv they would of issue a recall by now. You pay $400 for a piece of crap that got rush and was never properly tested. Flame all you want but the 360 will die the same way the xbox1 did
make a substandard product,then spend more money over marketing said product.
EA made poor quality games,then spent big money for years.it was only when activision and ubisoft threatened EA that they went back to trying to make quality.
same with microsoft.the first xbox had to have the disc drives replaced.it also redlighted,wouldn't read discs and overheated.
now the same thing is happening with 360.low quality parts are scratching discs,disc drives are making noices,systems are breaking.nothing new.same song different tune.
sony had the same thing with ps1 and ps2.but they changed their ways with ps3.it is built to last.it just costs more to get.but you do get what you pay for:1% fail rate.
the sad thing is the supporters of substandard design and cheap parts.and the willingness to let it continue because of a recall/class action dodging 3 year warranty.and that goes for ANY product.
You've hit it right on the head. EA and Microsoft are totally two peas in a pod. If you want quality, you still need to go to Japan.
MS is just learning the ropes of hardware design. As a software company, they're goin up against other companies who have been designing hardware for decades. Hopefully the Falcon will be a stable platform, showing that MS is improving.
We have to consider the fact that neither Sony or Microsoft themselves actually manufacture the consoles, they have different chains of suppliers - sometimes different ones for certain aspects of the machines.
Sony's expertise gives them the advantage in the sense that they know what they must do and what they must avoid, and this expertise led them to the conclusion that the delays had to be accepted to ensure a well-built machine instead of rushing it to compete with Microsoft.
Microsoft, although a software company, are not amateurs. They would not venture into a business without the intention and strategy of a goal and it'd be silly to presume they'd invest in billions of dollars into a project that was focused around a technically flawed hardware piece. They must have received advice but decided that it was more critical to cement an install base before the release of Sony's console.
It was a risk-calculated judgement and I think they made the right choice. With the new warranty initiative and a firm userbase, they can partly focus on manufacturing and researching in cheaper and better built machines. Hopefully by securing this large market share, they'll be more confident and relaxed to take their time when they release their future console in a few years.
This will just to an unnecessary pit of criticism and hatred for Microsoft. It's flame bait. We all know about their issues, there's no need to discuss it over and over again. But I will say this..
Microsoft decided to go first and have their reward. Consequently, they have their curse with this aswell.
"Good things come to those who wait". Microsoft gambled and decided a bigger share in the market was more important than hardware reliability. Something Sony acted in the opposite with their infamous delays of the console. And whose sold more?
So there are positives and negatives to both sides.
These anti MFST threads posted by Sony fanboys are like a dark cave where an sub culture society can vent and talk anti Hate sh*t.
No one cares about what you think they have improved 360's and provided a unheard of 2 year warrenty the 360 has doubled its sales and PS3 is useing its last ditch effort to keep its head above water. Move on! theres no reason for fans of a console in dead last to outnumber 360 fans in a 360 thread.
Refreshing to here a smart person
You mean "hear from a smart person", not "here from a smart person"?
I personally don't think you value smart opinions, but only ones that seem to be Pro-Microsoft. If I created another account and articulated my comments to be Pro-Microsoft, I'm sure I'd get plenty of Bubbles and plaudits from you.
There are plenty of intelligent comments that are neutral, positive and also negative towards the PlayStation 3 and also the Xbox 360. Do you value such comments/opinions, intelligent or not? From your comment history, that's a sensational claim to be made.
You need to change your ways Power. I'd be more than happy to help you.
POG may be Pro 360, but there is no need to get picky. Seriously, you try to humiliate him by saying "hear from a smart person"- when you, yourself, made a grammatical mistake (the horror!)in your 18th post by saying "neither Sony or Microsoft". In case you were wondering it SHOULD have been *ahem* "neither Sony NOR Microsoft". And thats in your fist sentence. Ha. HA. Ha... AHA- I've got you... but no.
POG was giving you a compliment and you rejected him and told him "you need to change your ways POG". Well, how exactly is suppose to CHANGE if, when he makes a neutral or supportive comment, he gets blasted. There are many fanboys on this site, and to be honest their presence brings a fun level of excitement (to some degree). Trying to change everybody into your perfect image is just ludicrous and, perhaps, just as bad. Again, POG likes the 360 and supports pro 360 comments- so WHAT? What I'm trying to say is- when someone gives you a compliment accept it instead of posing as his/her grammar coach (grammar in a internet post? the world has gone mad!)
So now I see you added "I can help you". DUDE, what are you doing. This is an internet site, not some freaking Jedi temple for padwans. Sheeesh! I guess you can start giving out tutoring lessons.
Last year when the PS2 was whipping the hell out of the 360, did you think the 360 was dead? Last year how many AAA titles were on the 360? Last time I check the PS2 and 360 graphics were almost identical since the 360 were getting ports from the PS2. You think the PS3 is dead, it's the stupidest thing anyone can say.....PS3 hasn't even released MGS4, GT5, FF13 and yet you called it a failure....I beleave all 3 of those franchise have sold more copies than your precious halo. What separates Sony from M$ is it's 1st party titles. GOD of War, Team Ico, Naughty Dog, Killzone2....
History repeats itself, M$ has Halo and Sony has everything else and the market. Until the 360 outsells the PS2 i would suggest you xbots STFU.
this post, in light of Meus's reply. In fact, bubbles from me. I know, I know- you DON'T need them but still... Just be sure to, as Razer said (rather rudely) watch the PS fans just as much as you watch Xbox fans. But who am I? I haven't begun to take the steps your taking.
POG actually was referring to the gentlemen I was replying to. I found POG's comment hypocritical to his general attitude on the site, but I meant no malicious intent by stating so. I certainly didn't try to humiliate him, what would be the point or motivation for that anyway?
Thank you for the grammatical correction. I don't get upset when someone corrects me actually, I always learn from it and so I won't repeat the same mistake again.
The reason why I said "I can help" is that, believe it or not, about a year ago I would be what you'd class as a "Xbox 360 fanboy". After some events, unrelated to gaming, in my life had helped me mature I realised the best form of discussion and debate was not to try and attack others, but to structure an opinion in a way that would get the attention of all sides; by showing that you understand the point of argument they are backing, and then to try and counter that in a neutral fashion.
I've tried this with many and I don't know if they read my messages in their inbox or not, but I still try. I am trying the same with POG and Nasim. I've tried with The Mart and he's actually a decent guy once you speak to him. These people are all intelligent and passionate enough to come on everday and argue, in their own little way, their point of view but I am just as passionate. For example, POG, TheMart and others whom are called fanboys sometimes actually make great points yet lose Bubbles and are DISAGREED with.
I don't like that but I know why that happens. People just don't care what they say, and despite what POG and Co. will tell you, they'd much rather have people hearing what they have to say than completely ignoring them and punishing them along the way.
You are right though, the fanboy mentality does add some fun to reading the comments but everyone can be bias and a little excited at times, but it gets boring after reading the same comments over and over again. That's what they mostly do unfortunately. They post the same figures and stats along with CAPITOL LETTERS and exclamation marks!!! and your eyes just hurt. It's no fun then. If these famous members were to try and balance that out, it'd be even more interesting. We wouldn't know how they'd respond to something instead of knowing exactly how they'd respond. Do you see my point?
I am not declaring myself to be some kind of Jedi (I haven't had my robe delivered yet) but I do see myself as I used to be, alot in them and I'm not proud of that. Mart is said to be in his early thirties, I'm just 20. I'd hate to say this but I feel a little ashamed on his part that a mature grown adult rants - intentionally - on the pages. I think he's given up on actually trying to communicate.
Earlier today I sent a message to Bladestar. I told him that I've been impressed in how he's changed his presentation of his opinions lately, and that I've actually started to give bubbles to his comments because they are well thought out and nothing fanboyish about them. So you see, I am not on this conquest to be the silliest hypocrite - who complains about fanboys and how immature they are, and then himself starts to act immature. If people ignore me then that is their choice. I don't hold myself in any position to get offended by those who'd tell me to "shove your help somewhere the Sun don't shine", or something along those
lines. I just hope they do and if they don't, not a problem for me.
However, if POG found my comment offensive, then he has my sincerest apology as I had no intention of trying to attack him and I hope I'm known not to be that type.
I hope you give the same level of attention and "teaching" to the Sony fanboy idiots on this site.
You seem to slant twords Sony and the PS3 and that is fine but you need to spread your same "wisdom" to about a half dozen dipsh!ts in this topic alone. While you feel so compelled to preach to PoG and Bladestar is beyond me.. Frankly it's freakin annoying as hell!
Meus, my friend, you should run for President. RIGHT NOW (I'm not joking). That was not only a superb, diplomatic post (which gave me a better understanding of you), but I couldn't help but smile when you seemed to elevate the fanboys on this site as people (no, really?) who just needed to tap their potential. Seriously, that post alone should be the pre-amble for N4G. And I agree, fanboys can (and always do) get tiring- so your efforts are appreciated (now that I understand them).
I should sorry to YOU, for I thought that your reply to POG was somewhat offensive in that you brushed away his compliment. Clearly I was wrong. You are alright, Meus- for it is no not every user that stretches out a helping hand to fanboys. In most cases, we just complain about em. Leaving N4g to get worse and worse.
You must have had quite an experience.
Kuest, Thank you my man.
Razer, I'm sorry that you find me annoying. The reason why I reply to POG sometimes here and not through the Private Messaging system is that he has me on IGNORE and I doubt he'd get my messages. So I thought, if he sees that I have replied to him, maybe he'd read my post and the message I wanted would get to him?
As a matter of fact, I do send messages to several others through the PM system, the ones that constantly are bias against Microsoft products although I admit I seem to focus more so on those who are anti-Sony. Perhaps it's because I used to be one myself? Either way, I apologise if I seem patronising. I'll stop the public commenting regarding individuals from now.
Meus, what are you doing here making those insanely good comments. RUN for PRESIDENT.
"I admit I seem to focus more so on those who are anti-Sony. Perhaps it's because I used to be one myself?"- My lord, your good.
Hell, I'm gonna get you to TEN bubbles.
You're flattering me now. They're not "good" comments in reality, it's just the truth. Perhaps that's what make them good in people's eyes; because I try to be honest?
But enough about me (no, please carry on) I'm going to go and eat, relax, watch some comedy and get back here later on (I was kidding, don't go on about me).
Pleasure speaking to you
MS Quality Control is Nonexistant.lol
Sony is talking bull when they themselve have quality issue in the past. Anyone remember all the battery packs being recalled. Blah..blah..blah. No company is perfect.