When it comes to the PlayStation 3 is seems all big titles come with a big mandatory install and Crysis 2 is no different.
eugh sooo big
Not the end of the world, but I still dislike installs. If Killzone 3 and Uncharted 2 can look and run so well without an install I would think other games could try and match them. Loading behind cut-scenes is an acceptable practice. So is temporarily caching data to draw upon during gameplay.
Uncharted 2, the Game of the past Decade doesn't even have loadingscreens between cutscenes and gameplay!
@istanbull If you was a bit more interested in uncharted 2 you would know that the cutscenes are there to hide the loading screen.
Uncharted 2 has a 5 minute loading right before you start playing.
***Uncharted 2 has a 5 minute loading right before you start playing.*** You need a new stopwatch. Edit: Have the people who have played Uncharted 2 actually played the game? There's some load times, but nothing even near the ballpark of 5 minutes.
Obviously that user is trolling. So the best thing to do is to report him and move on. And as a responce to your question. The load times for Uncharted are fairly quick so i dont see why people are desperate enough to attack it based on its load times.
dragonelite That is funny I thought the cutscenes are there to you know tell the story. They just made it so the loading took place during those times. Do you really think that the loading was there and they created the cutscenes to mask them? LOL Maybe you should chill with the hate a bit.
@nycredude, Well they put in cutscene to fill up the space on the blueray. I mean they might as well make use of it. The gameplay portions are usually small anyways. Example KZ3 (40 something gig, mostly cutscenes with around 12 gig worth of gameplay?) Don't remember the exact number. It is a better idea to load games during cutscene, but it this also the reason why PS3 games have so many cutscene (KZ, UC, etc....). Either that or watch Snake smoke the cigarret for 10 mins at the end of each chapter (not to include cutscenes throughout the game as well). I don't think most games has that many cutscene so install would be the way to go. Plus i don't think DVD has space for CGI cutscene either.
Mandatory installs are examples of the dev not using the PS3 to its optimum efficiency. That goes for both exclusives and multiplats. For some games, an install makes sense (LittleBigPlanet, ModNation Racers, etc.), but for FPS and such...I just don't get it.
For the last time, Uncharted 2 ONLY has 2 loading segments, each a couple of seconds long. The first one is when you boot the game, the sony and naughty dog stuff appears, then there is a small loading time for the main menu screen. There is another slightly longer loading time FROM the main menu screen TO the gameplay. From here on, the loading times ARE LESS THAN 3 SECONDS. Go ahead, try it! As soon as ANY cutscene starts, hit start and skip movie, it will immediately jump to the next gameplay!
Like OMG!!!! This is so unacceptable I am going to return my PS3 and trade it in for a new Kinect 360. /s Who cares?
Usually we see large installs on the PS3 when a multiplat developer ports over a game from 360 or PC, and most of these games have issues on the PS3. They might be doing this because I remember them saying that they developed the CryEngine 3 so that developers can develop on the PC and have the code generated for the 360 and PS3 automatically. This isn't a good sign. I'm skipping this and waiting for SOCOM.
@egidem WOW! You are like the FIRST person who knows what the hell they're talking about. Everyone keeps saying that the cutscenes in Uncharted 2 are there to mask loading times when the truth is that you can skip those cutscenes and IMMEDIATELY jump into the next level WITHOUT a second of loading.
I found Uncharted had a larger initial load into the game, but beyond that I didn't think it really had any. If it did it hid it extremely well. I'm currently playing and really enjoying Fallout Vegas... now that has some loading times!
Say it ain't so Batman! Holy "Mandatory" installs Batman. That's a big one. Luckily we can play it with better frame rate and superior anti aliasing and high res shadows on our 360 that doesn't even have a hard drive. Crytek is pushing the boundaries and I guess we can't realistically expect other consoles to run it as effortlessly as 360 (no install required).
On the flipside, the demo/game is also in 3D. Crytek did something great for their first time on consoles.
I always love these... 'it seems like all big PS3 games have a massive mandatory install'... Killzone 2...no install...God of War III...no install...Uncharted 1 and 2...no install...killzone 3...no install... and every one of those games looks better than ANY other console games, save maybe uncharted 1...although it was easily the best in 2007 as far as console games go... they even say 'its no were near as big as Gran Turismo 5'...which is misleading...as GT5 has NO mandatory install...and gives 2 options...one for 2gb, which helps with loading times...and one for 8gb, which goes a little farther in helping loading times, but pre-installs hours of 1080p GT TV content so that you don't need to download it...never really understood that, as it appears that some of the GTTV stuff is loaded on the blu ray...why you can't just stream it off that I don't know...
***PlayStation 3 is seems all big titles come with a big mandatory install*** I don't mind reporting on there being a mandatory install, but can we stop making it out to be that it's with every game of worth under the sun? I own over 100 PS3 games and the mass majority of of them don't require an install. Hyperbole is a tool used way too much by the gaming press. @disagrees already: Yes, Heaven forbid that people actually report the news in a honest manner rather than with verbiage intended to embitter certain users... *rolls eyes*
most of this main stream titles do thou :( gt5 me ac gta etc
What I don't understand is why's it a big deal? Installs are just one more tool a developer has to use to make the best game they can. I'd rather they need to install and have the option then need to install and have to dumb down their game because of it. And I was a PC gamer long before a console gamer. Newsflash - PC games need installs. PC gamers never complained about installs, but the PS3 has a hard drive and uses it for installs and this is suddenly an issue? Suck it up.
So where's the advantage of bluray storage space? Just install everything into hdd, no need for disc storage.
***So where's the advantage of bluray storage space?*** The proper utilization of it isn't due to the Blu-ray disc but to the fact that people still design games around PC architecture. Even if the PS3 is primary, they will design with the goal of utilizing the variable speed of the DVD drive on the 360 over the constant speed of the PS3. I'm kind of on the fence with this. The developer in me says that it's too much of a focus on money that they maintain a process that doesn't take into account the strengths of both systems during the development of games since in doing so would require key development for the PS3. We already know that they are designing with the PC in mind, so it sometimes happens that the 360 version has a few slight bells and whistles enabled to improve performance and visual elements to show off its strength, yet the same care is rarely taken with the PS3. Though, these instances rarely tend to be mold breaking games. But, I completely understand it from a business perspective that many have the goal of providing an experience that is identical on both systems. It's an honorable design goal when you look at your customer based as a single entity rather than one broken up by console choice. It's also a way of showing support for both consoles rather than for one over the other. I think it fairly obvious that some companies fall into the latter group (2K w/Bioshock 1 and 2) and some fall into the former group (Rockstar North/San Diego w/Red Dead Redemption). So, I respect those who fall into the latter, but will continue to criticize those who fall into the former and seem to only have the goal to expand their consumer base without truly attempting to provide even experiences across both consoles. I would also say that many third-party developers rarely utilize the space of the Blu-ray not because they can't, but because they design with the goal of matching their DVD counterparts. Blu-ray happens to be one of the strengths of the PS3 that gets cut back in order to maintain an equality on the lowest common denominators between the two systems.
I promise every one of you that GT5 does not have ANY mandatory install...why that was used in this article, and in easto1a's post...no idea...but its not true...
Thats what my girlfriend said on our first night together, On topic its rather large but wont troube us PS3 hardcore.
You guys are ok with anything it seems. :)
Not when every PS3 has a Harddrive.
@delbert meh... i install every 360 game i play to hdd so having to do it every now and then for the ps3 is no issue for me...
Exactly, I had enough games wrecked by my first two 360's to teach mre that installing whatever I could to HDD was the way to go to reduce the chances of overworking(and scratching)future discs while getting the benefit of the install to performance so why would the occasional install on PS3 bother me? That's without going into the fact I installed tons on PC for YEARS and still do now. This is an old dig and a pointless one. We all know the game COULD have been done without an install but with three versions to worry over and two console versions to get to parity(rather than as good as possible on ether platform) things like this are always likely. End of the day, however, it's NO issue at all.
thats what she said XD
after downloading gt5's install, 4 gbs is nothing.
Really though, what is the big deal, all PC games have a friggin mandatory install and you won't hear anyone marking that down as a flaw! Face it, the only reason why the xbox version doesn't have a mandatory install is because some of you plebs don't even have a hard drive lol
It's a flaw considering you can buy the same game on a different console which looks and runs exactly the same without needing to install it. Yes you have to install PC games, but they always perform better visually compared to the console versions.
wow 4GB is it the whole game
Lmfao 4gb Thats fuck all. Dear god.
More like a LARGE PIECE OF SHIT game.Keep your mandatory for the PC and Xbox.The game isnt even worth installing anyways.
Who cares about these things any more?? They are part and parcel with PS3 now these articles are just trying to slate the ps3 nothing more.
I've never understood why people care about mandatory installs. I sure don't.
OMG 4GB!!! OMFG WERE ALL DOOOOOOOOOOOOMED!!!!!! seriously guys, not a big deal.
Annoy me? No, I do it on PC all the time, soon even DVDs will be limited compared to HDD so I don't mind. MIGHT buy this on PC the controller support is better than the Mouse and Keyboard on the PC version, the PC demo was the worst... 1. Could not exit from the game at start menu 2. Press start to get to menu... no start key on PC 3. AWFUL AWFUL server broswer seriously BF1942 was better. 4. AWFUL servers 5. PC controls for touchpad sucked. You can't right AND left click, when each button is for aim and shoot I'd consider that a serious ailment 6. 16 player... on PC. this is just fail. I only downloaded the PC demo because I wasn't watching a stream, and I don't let my ISP take a break... true unlimited.
1. Start menu? You mean the "press enter to continue" screen? Press enter once, click quit, 2 seconds. 2. Who gives a crap, really? They fixed it in a patch, it's a bloody demo. 3. Again, it's a demo. Some games get it fixed in final build. Besides it's not even that bad. 4. I have yet to encounter a bad server, all have been smooth for me, check your connection. Oh yeah, it's a demo. 5. Touchpad? lol 6. That's a design choice, your opinion that you don't like it. Why don't you judge the game on the final build before you start raging like a child.
@ a bro I know right. Is that the next big push that "certain journalist" are gonna use now to deter folks from getting the ps3 version. I've been noticing that alot (Top Spin 4, Dragon Age 2, etc).
@Titanz PS3s today have 160gbs by defult and are upgradable depending on the HDD you buy. no it doesnt bother me, or anyone else, especially since 500GB hard drives are $50 dollars, about the same price you pay for a wii game. If there's anything that would bother a PS3 owner, its a game that plays like s**t on the PS3. As a wii owner, i would be complaining as to why the F**k am i still playing in SD, i know a bunch of wii owners that complain about that all day. Now, Please GTFO and play carnival games, since thats what wii owners play all day...
I own a PS3 with a 320GB HDD. And installs dont bother me because they are a one time thing. People who are desperate attack the ps3 because of this.
But that doesn't necessarily mean your comment is right. I usually play my Wii games in 480p, but I could care less about the pixels on a tv screen - gameplay is always a first for me. And you really believe "Carnivals games" is all I play on Wii? Super Mario Galaxy 1/2 Monster Hunter Tri Call of Duty:Black ops(Wii version, because of the Wii-motes IR pointer) New Super Mario Bros. Wii Super Smash Bros. Brawl Donkey Kong Country Returns Pro Evolution Soccer 11(Again for the Wii-mote controls) Arc Rise Fantasia Fragile Metroid prime trilogy Godfather:Backhand edition Tatsunoko vs Street fighter(I apologise if it's spelled wrong) Spectrobes Origins Mario Striker charged Mario Kart Wii Redsteel 2 Zack & Wiki Legend of Zelda:Twilight princess(Wii version for the controls). Wii Sports Resort(It's casual, but its really enjoyable) Battalion wars 2 Excite truck/excite bots Epic Mickey Goldeneye... I won't list them all, but like yourself with the PS3 - Wii offers me the games I wanna play on that system.
"I usually play my Wii games in 480p, but I could care less about the pixels on a tv screen - gameplay is always a first for me." well thats because thats the only way to play them. and yes, carnival games are what people play on their way, due to the demographics of the system (aka the people who turn on their wiis to play) whihc are casual gamers, in which none would buy a wii for games like, Zack & Wiki, Tatsunoko vs. Capcom, or black ops. maybe, only maybe, they touch a nintendo 1st party game if it caters to casuals, like.....wiifit....
Yep, no big deal. It seems like its only me who likes games with an install. It only installs before the first time you play, and saves on in game loading time. I have also had a PS3 break with blu-ray drive failure, installs help with the life of the blu-ray. I'd rather my HDD stop working with usage, than my blu-ray drive break. Edit: Just read a few other comments who don't mind installs.
you should make sure you have the required space for the mandatory installation free, yeh right. im sure many of us have plenty of space 4gb ROFL. make a big deal why not. yet this install what does it do nobody knows. yet!!
all games should have installs, textures load fast and bd drive has less pressure
Wow... You all reading this ish!?!!?
Oh right, sorry, this doesn't get said enough EVERY PS3 HAS A HARD DRIVE EVERY PS3 CAN USE MOST CHEAP LAPTOP HARD DRIVE UPTO 500GB FOR LESS THAN $100 So, the install thing for a lot of people is not a big thing at all.
up to a 1TB 2.5 inch sata drive.
exactly. Titanz gtfo seriously
Oh my god!!! 4GBs.....I don't think my 500GB hard drive can handle that. Yeah wake me up in there is a 20gb or 40gb demo.
Bring it. My 320gig was getting bored anyway.
whos gonna buy this lame game any way lolz this is an OUTRAGE
Try the demo it is up on the PS3, 360 and PC.
Large ? How often does a mandatory ps3 install doesnt take between 3 a 4gb ?
Consoles today are closer to being computer than ever. Most pc games install the entire game to HDD, so I don't see why anyone cares about a console. The sped up load times are worth it. I would install the entire game if I could.
I mean, GT5 took me more than an hour to install. I think it's like 10GB or something. 4GB won't be a problem.
Hmm, half the size I expected out of this...
@titanz wow not moaning and nitpicking at every little detail suddenly becomes a negative, sheesh what a douche (.)
http://www.newegg.com/Produ... 500gb 2.5 $54.00 . Problem solved!
hope with that they can fix the pop-ups issue and framerate at least it's useless features many people don't know that this installation work as a memory cache ..for textures and objects streaming int this way they can free the ram ...anyway let'S see how that'S work
I'm not talking smack about Sony or it's consumers, it's just that it seems as though they could never do wrong. It's as though Sony is "perfect" in every way(by Sony fans standards).
Use your head. People who dislike it would most likely be quiet about the whole mandatory install thing it has been a part of PS3 games since the start and that complaining about it out loud never changed anything before as far as some developers go so these people who don't like it just ignore it. Whereas the people who do see the benefit in them are vocal about it because it does not bother or annoy them.
"I'm not talking smack about Sony or it's consumers" and then "It's as though Sony is "perfect" in every way(by Sony fans standards). " "Does "anything" annoy you guys?(Sony fans). "\ "NOTHING EVER BOTHER'S YOU! It's as if you people are on some type of, "I'll never hate on whatever Sony does" drug. " you see the problem in that? I just want to add your comment if you click on your name is "Bubbles are irrelevant of your a fan of a certain brand" i mean come on man.
very nice comeback, he IS all over the place.
Nope, it's just that I tend not to be one of nature's whingers and enjoy (and am grateful for) what I have. As long as my console (or anything for that matter) does what it says on the 'tin' then I'm happy.