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HD DVD: Venturer's $199 Player Is Actually $249

Target.com has a pre-order listing for Venturer's upcoming "cheap" HD DVD player. The only problem is the player is priced at $249.99. This contradicts the previous press release indicating the player will be priced at $199.00 or less. We wonder who on earth would buy this player, since our local Costco has the Toshiba HD-D2 for the same price.

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sonarus3698d ago

250 still isnt bad. Should drive high def players sales down

ktchong3698d ago (Edited 3698d ago )

It's Target selling the Venturer player at a price higher than the manufacturer's recommended price.

Target is pro-Blu-ray, if you have not figured it out. But they are still selling HD DVD, but their policy favors Blu-ray. So it's conceivable that Target would sell the HD DVD player at a price higher than the MRP so it won't hurt Blu-ray.

cuco333697d ago

You forgot something... BDA paid Target to favor BD, hence why they are 'proBD'
;)

tuffco3697d ago

Give it up already the domino affect already begun, Blu-ray is the way like it or not, especially now with a PS3 price drop there is absolutly no stopping Blu-ray anymore. Sorry guys ACCEPT IT!!!!!!

jiggyjay3697d ago

Just cuz Sony told you to bend over and accept it (no lube) doesn't mean everybody has to! That's what wrong with Sony Fanboys they do anything Sony tells them to do... If Kaz Hirai starts selling his crap(which is probably 10x better than the PS3) and told the world its the best thing to ever come out, Sony Fanboys would be all over it like white on rice!!!

xplosneer3697d ago

Sony isn't the only one in the BDA last I heard.

wil4hire3697d ago

HD-DVD can keep making cheap players all they want. NO ONE is buying HD-DVD. No one invests in it either because they are now making 0 profit from the inferior media.

Why the hell would any consumer this day in age want less storage space? Mp3 Players/COmputers/Game Systems... more SPACE is a selling factor!?! Another artificial "war" made up by microsoft.

Cherchez La Ghost3697d ago (Edited 3697d ago )

Everyone in America do not play video games. There are millions of consumers that are confused (nor lack the knoweledge) of HD movies. HD is 5% (or less) share of the movie market. My father wants a HD player, but he do not know which format to go with. So, he should get a PS3 for a Blu-Ray player for his 1080p HDTV?! Imagine that.

cuco333697d ago (Edited 3697d ago )

bluboys, if you guys are such fans then why is it that you guys aren't buying movies in BD. Proof is in the sales figures: 1.5:1 lead with 7 times the players.

Disney wants region coding. FOX wants BD+. They are both proBD since they are anti piracy and would rather have someone rebuy a movie if they were to go to EU, JAP, AUS, etc. When was the last FOX release? Oh yeah, back in April. You're 'superior' format is having issues playing BD disks in BD players (i.e. PotC BD doesn't play in Sami's 1200 series BD stand alone). Studios profit MORE on HD DVD, get your freakin facts straight. It costs more to replicate a BD disk, costs more to code it, costs more to write the BD-Java, etc etc. BD has to sell MORE disks than HD DVD in order to turn out the same profit. Maybe they don't teach you simple business methods in 6th grade.
Since this article is about HIGH DEF MOVIES, disk space isn't the issue. BD25 and BD50 can have everything HD15 and HD30 (and the expected due HD51) can. MS is not the ones driving HD DVD, but Sony is the major pushing force on the BDA.
The HDM market is <2%. That is NOTHING.
As for which BD player to get, go PS3. As sad as that is, a $1300 BD stand alone is doomed to be obsolete the second BD1.1 profile is released.

Which format is inferior again?

EDIT: to below

Let me repeat since you obviously are part of the making up stories crew. They both have the same quality. They both use th VC-1 codec = SAME picture quality. Audio quality is the same but mainly dependent on what the studio packs in (lossless or not, like DD+ isn't lossless but it is HD audio). Therefore they are of the SAME quality. Your larger bandwidth issue is due to BD's initial release using the 10yr old codec requiring it so but since VC-1 or H.264 don't need as much, it's nothing more than a useless statistic. For HDM, it's all relevant on the mix of PQ and AQ. Preaching bandwidth is like preaching disk space... for movies, IT'S NOT NEEDED! Your 'best' truely isn't BD for all the reasons I mentioned as it's both BD and HD DVD. HD VMD does 1080P but doesn't utilize the lossless audio (which btw most if not all on here don't even have the equipment, nor the ears to note the difference.

Thanks for playing.

Fan Tastic3697d ago

Blu-ray destroys it in quality. Blu-ray movies look better and sound better on average. HD DVD simply doesn't have the bandwidth to compete.

The solution is simply.

Don't care about PQ or SQ buy DVD
want a little better with HD lite buy HD DVD
want the best buy blu-ray

Fan Tastic3697d ago (Edited 3697d ago )

edit: "thanks for playing" So many wrong statements from you as usual. The bandwidth advantages aren't just due to MPEG2. Really do some research before you try to sound intelligent yet prove you have no idea what you are talking about.

Here is another example that proves my point. Lets compare Nature's Journey on HD DVD and Blu-ray. This title does NOT use MPEG2 but VC-1 and is out and has already been proven to have better PQ and SQ on blu-ray by people who actually bought both copies.

This is straight from the producer.

Main points are Lossless audio (sorry to hear your ears aren't adequate, mine are and every person who has actually done A B comparisons. Go enjoy VHS sound for all I care, HD isn't for you) on blu-ray with superior sound, and superior video on blu-ray as well. Again this is already proven not to just be in the specs but noticeable in viewing by reviewers (even one's that have both but are HD DVD biased have admitted so).

http://www.avsforum.com/avs...

HD-DVD
• VC-1 Encode at 26 Mbps / 1080i @ 29.97

Blu-ray DIsc
• VC-1 Encode at 37 Mbps / 1080i @ 29.97

Feature Audio

"HD-DVD

* DTS-HD High Resolution 5.0 ~ 96/24 @ 3 Mbps
* Dolby Digital 5.0 ~ 48/24 @ 448 kbps
* Dolby Surround 2.0 (Pro Logic II) ~ 48/16 @ 192 kbps

Blu-ray Disc

* DTS-HD Master Audio (Lossless) 5.0 ~ 96/24 @ 5.3 Mbps Average and 6.8 Mbps Max
* Dolby Digital 5.0 ~ 48/24 @ 448 kbps
* Dolby Surround 2.0 (Pro Logic II) ~ 48/16 @ 192 kbps "

Simply put you are completely wrong yet again. Time for you to take off your blinders.

The facts are the bandwidth just isn't there on HD DVD to compete. This isn't fanboy talk but what producers are actually telling us as well and has been proven time and time again.

Sure you get lazy studios like warner catoring to the lowest format but you have to blame the studio for not taking advantage. That alone is one reason why having HD DVD is bad for people who care about having top quality productions. Lazy studios don't put out the best they can.

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Fan Tastic3697d ago (Edited 3697d ago )

Sony has been curb stomping them ever since the PS3 launched.

The only thing this does is try to put the Piece of Shtt Toshiba players in a better light by releasing even crappier players. I know most thought that having players lock up all the time (generation 1 through 3 Toshiba's I'm looking at you), scratch discs, etc would be as bad as it gets. Nope, trust me buy this Venturer player and you will feel like the Toshiba is actually worth $5.

Fighter3697d ago

that it's still a piece of sh*t player. Venturer is pretty low quality when it comes to hardware. I wouldn't be surprised if it had performance issues.

Don't forget that it only outputs 720p/1080i so if you have a good 1080p hdtv then your movies won't look even more clear and sharp like it should. 720p is still respectable but soon will be a thing of the past as 1080p becomes the norm.

Just cause it's cheap doesn't mean people will buy it like hotcakes. I would buy a HD DVD player for $199 only if Toshiba made it and it outputs 1080p instead of 1080i.

If you are patient enough to wait for a few more months then both HD DVD and Blu ray players made by quality manufacturers will be much cheaper.

wil4hire3697d ago

In SALES
In PROFIT
In POPULARITY
In Consumer Markets
In Private Martes (Movie studios)

Is because people who do CARE about picture/quality invest into it. Casual people who have no idea what "progressive" means aren't going to buy a High Def Player, be it BLURAY or HD-DVD. People aren't buying CHEAP ENTRY LEVEL PRODUCTS for their home theaters either.. they are getting ENTRY LEVEL products, but they aren't $299.99. We all know you get what you pay for. This is a pathetic attempt at trying to sucker more people into buying terrible hardware. There is NO reason to own an HD player if you cant see the difference, understand the difference, have a capable television. This is the niche HD-DVD is trying to fill.

While BLURAY dominates with the enthusiast crowd(people with money, people that investors care about.) HD-DVD is trying to confuse old women into buying cheap products just because.

Times are different than the days of VHS/Betamax. No one KNEW about storage space except the movie industry. Thats why VHS won with consumers, but lost with studios. BETAMAX tapes are still used in the year 2007 to store edits for film.

Why on earth is it a GOOD thing that HD-DVD has less storage space than a Bluray disc? Format war aside. AS CONSUMERS, why do I want an inferior product? Technology is growing and growing, storage space is a selling point now, or size of the technology itself. (Ipod Nano). The equivalent would be the Zune player coming out with 1gigs max for its players.

I have a 6k 1080p Projector, custom NHT 7.2 Surround sound setup, Like most of my friends there was no debate on what the superior format was, the one that provides more space = more data = more uncompressed audio = more uncompressed image, simple as that. Friends that I know who have HD-DVD players bought them just because it was a plugin for the 360. They dont own 1080p tv's or even have a decent sound system.. THIS IS NOT THE TARGET AUDIENCE FOR High Definition CONTENT!

Kholinar3697d ago

“Casual people who have no idea what "progressive" means aren't going to buy a High Def Player, be it BLURAY or HD-DVD. People aren't buying CHEAP ENTRY LEVEL PRODUCTS for their home theaters either.. they are getting ENTRY LEVEL products, but they aren't $299.99. We all know you get what you pay for. This is a pathetic attempt at trying to sucker more people into buying terrible hardware.”

Progressive scan is not a new thing. I doubt people are suddenly learn what it means. But a lot of people will buy a HDTV cause they like the size of screen and thin footprint. If those people (oblivious to progressive scan) don’t buy HD players, then both formats can only hope for laserdisc status.

“There is NO reason to own an HD player if you cant see the difference, understand the difference, have a capable television. This is the niche HD-DVD is trying to fill.”

Again, both formats are dead in the water except as computer storage and game media if this is the case.

“While BLURAY dominates with the enthusiast crowd(people with money, people that investors care about.) HD-DVD is trying to confuse old women into buying cheap products just because.”

And blu-ray is trying to get enthusiasts to buy expensive products just because? No one’s marketing to old women. Though they should be, as they have far more money in general (investors do know this, but younger men will go into debt for it, so that works too).

“Times are different than the days of VHS/Betamax. No one KNEW about storage space except the movie industry. Thats why VHS won with consumers, but lost with studios. BETAMAX tapes are still used in the year 2007 to store edits for film.”

What do you think sony grosses on all those beta players, or even the industry as a whole? Probably less than the latest Fall Out Boy album made. It’s chump change. But you’re right, it’s a different battle now. The problem is, consumers are just as oblivious. Storage space will have nothing to do with this battle, just like before.

“Why on earth is it a GOOD thing that HD-DVD has less storage space than a Bluray disc? Format war aside. AS CONSUMERS, why do I want an inferior product? Technology is growing and growing, storage space is a selling point now, or size of the technology itself. (Ipod Nano). The equivalent would be the Zune player coming out with 1gigs max for its players.”

No one’s said it’s a good thing. What people are saying is that it’s inconsequential. It’s smaller but no casual consumer cares as long as the movie fits.

“I have a 6k 1080p Projector, custom NHT 7.2 Surround sound setup”

I don’t need to read any more. You have as much in common with the main demographic that both formats hope to win as Blu-ray has with an LP. Uninformed and impulsive buyers will decide this war. Not any specifications. They’ve decided every other tech war (mp3 players, consoles, ibm compatible pc’s, etc.), and it’s not going to change.

power of Green 3697d ago (Edited 3697d ago )

The people that will be buying them don't even have 1080p HDTV's why would they care? most people have 720p/1080i HDTV's, by the time they upgrade they will move on, the name brand HD-DVD players will be very cheap by that time.

Like saying people care and won't buy the cheaper off brand Flat panel HDTV's because they do not have 1080p, 1 Billion Pixels or do not run 120 FPS. lol

With all due respect" I don't think people Give a sh*t about your opinion of whats sh*t qualty or not. They will help as much as any other out of reach entry level super product has in the past.

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