Bungie are pioneers in matchmaking and everything online, but it seems in all their beta-testing and polishing of the game they left out a crucial ingredient - the ability to share the experience.
i agree 100%.
they have ruined the multiplayer, they will be telling us what time we can play in halo 4.
its nowhere close to ruined but it would be a nice feature. i wanted to play some infection last night at 2am but i only had like 2 other peaople on that i knew (i only have people i personally know in real life on my friends list)
having Friends is the key part of participating in 4-player action.
Halo 3 really is the best online game I have ever played...and there are plenty of friends who play Halo 3.
In fact, there have been several times I got online when ALL of my friends were playing Halo 3!!! That is absolutely amazing!!!
you have obvoisly never played any other game then Halo or your a complete loser, my vote is on the latter.
Lol i wouldnt play multiplayer with people not on my friends list anyway to many A holes
Get some friends..Ive had tons of fund tring out all the custom agme types with a collection of people i dont see how this would be fun with strangers, im fact i would probably annoy them when i cahnge the game every round :-)
EDIT: but i can understand why people would want to be able to search for coop and custome games but thre are millions of combinations once you take into account skulls on campaign and the forge levels not sure how any matchmaking could possibly work..
Honestly, I had no idea this was even a problem, Im sorry that I have friends, and have played through legendary, 4 player co-op, and gotten all the skulls already? I mean honestly, if their your friends then this is no problem, i don't understand, halo is awesome. I have had no gripes about it yet. So far I haven't seen any cheating so, yeah I'm happy, I don't know what this guy is talking about, ruined halo? what? um No!
so you don't think it is a problem that bungie control what game type and map you play?
i think the matchmaking is a good idea, but i also want to open my games to the public.
that is why i think they have ruined it.
I do think that it's stupid that I can't "search" for a co-op game. Not everyone on my "friends list" or "recently played" list is playing "legendary" 4 player co-op at any given time.
Not to mention that many of the people on my friends list, I met during random matches of 2 player GOW online co-op.
The fact that I can't choose specific "objective" based multiplayer games doesn't really bother me too much. If I play Big Team Battle, I can assure you that games such as capture the flag and territories will rotate quite often. IMO, it's kind of fun not knowing what your next game will be until it hits.
There are good and bad. Just like with GOW, the fact that there was no matchmaking system and limited multiplayer options was sort of a letdown.
Oh well, I'll still be playing this game for a very long time regardless of some of my issues.
The problem here is too many developers are focused on ranked mp games. Gears you have to play rank without friends to get achievements. COD4 you have to play rank with no more friends than can fit on 1 team to get experience points to get more guns and perks. Developers need a better focus on the friends and having fun part of MP.
You can still gain enlisted "rank" (gaining experience points) in Halo 3 while playing social matches. While your number rank won't change unless you are playing ranked games.
The only time either of those won't be affected is while you are playing custome games.
But I do see your point when it comes to GOW and COD4. I was really turned off by the fact that the GOW "online" achievements were only obtainable through ranked matches.
Does anyone have a complete list of all the things that are wrong with this game that I've seen reported (and even confirmed by Bungie)? Some of the things off the top of my head, xbox live glitches, can only do custom games with friends, 640p (haha), scratched discs, disc read errors, gave save bugs, some people can't even play online... not to mention the fact that this is really just halo 2.5
Cause I'm wondering how I've read so many bad things and this game got 9s and 10s, yet there was 1 bad thing about Lair (the controls) and that somehow made the game get 5s and 6s from some sites. And 1 negative thing about Heavenly Sword (game not very long), yet that knocked the score down a lot too.
Having bad controls would be completely detrimental to any game. If you can't control it well, you just can't play it well. Hands down, bar none.
Things like 640p, scratched discs, and so on are not detrimental to gameplay. Maybe detrimental to product quality, but it has absolutely no effect on gameplay.
When a game like Halo 3 is as widely releaed as it was, then there are going to be more people looking for more things wrong. That's just the way of life.
Have you actually played the game, or are you just regurgitating things you've heard from your all-powerful intarwebs?
The "issues" are not worth mentioning in Halo 3. If you would actually play it, you would see that it is amazing in every way. It isn't false hype, it is truly great.
HALO 3 Multiplayer fun? Yes.
Broken? Absolutely. Getting stuck on Narrows for 5 games in a row that would have been 7 consecutively had we not been able to get two vetoes = broken.
No ability to browse Forge maps AS ORIGINALLY PROMISED = broken. Had Bungie said, "We are working on it" then I would have said no problem. But instead we get a response that sounds like it is being handled by the same lying smokesceen PR responders in the RROD issue. "There is no problem" *waves hands in front of face* "There is no problem". Yeah right.
Then some moron on this board has the stupidity to say "Just use your friends list. I have 20 friends." Well good for you pumpkin. Most people don't.
And even then I can't get enough people in HALO 3 to go at it when I, ME, MYSELF, feel like it. If I want that kind of experience they should have made the damn MP LAN or Splitscreen only because that is about the size of it as regards usefulness.
HAHA you called him pumpkin. bubbles for you sir
It certainly is a pain that search isn't there--this should've been a core feature. As a programmer, I have a very hard time believing they can't patch that. Couldn't versus "its difficult" is a huge gap. In fact, "CAN'T" be done isn't realistic. They don't want to spend the time (i.e. money) to do it.
Bottom line, this is supposed to be the premiere online fragfest, one that will be played for years (and I currently do enjoy). While I understand them wanting to move on, be a little more customer-friendly since you just sold MILLIONS of copies. I bet if enough people gripe about it and media gets a hold of it (a lot of media), that will put a little pressure on the bottom line (the few who haven't purchased yet). It should definitely be a factor in reviews. At least patch it after a while (and let us know its coming). It just seems like "shove off, we've got our $$$ and are now on vacation". BOO Bungie!!! gCM
lol.....I love this! *Grabs Super Extra Large Popcorn*!!
it is not much of a problem with matchmaking only, simply because there are so many people playing...but I do agree that a proper lobby should have been implemented...This exactly why I basically stopped playing Vegas altogether...
XBL is pretty much the only service that does this matchmaking only stuff in nearly every online game...PC games don't do it...and PSN gives both sometimes...in the case of Vegas, matchmaking only...and a few other "ports"...but the 1st party stuff has a very PC oriented lobby system...I have never understood why XBL and Halo has such a matchmaking oriented system...but it seems forced...those of you saying "just play with friends" for custom games, which is true...but what about people new to the service?...that is a poor excuse for the lack of a feature that never should have been left out...
imo Resistance has the best setup for online gaming of any console game right now...it has in game messaging/clans/squads/etc...h as full stat tracking and unlockable stuff...and has both a matchmaking service for random ranked gaming...and "unofficial" (stats are still tracked, they are just unofficial)...plus the hundreds of custom games listed in a proper lobby to join whatever you want...I am not saying gameplay wise resitance is the best...i am just saying that the lobby and ease of creating/joining and amount of options have not been touched on any other console game yet...
and I am not even getting into the 40 player dedicated servers...that is probably the biggest rip off MS has ever pulled on its community...170 million dollars in 24 hours, but no dedicated servers for its players?...I guess most users are used to a bit of latency...but once you play an online game with nearly 0 lag (pings to dedicated servers are nearly always less than 50 for most broadband connections), it is tough to go back...
haha I guess...
I have been ranting about the PS3 in this way for a while now...not on purpose...and not because I own one...but I have regular access to a 360 and XBL...probably why I don't own one for the most part...
I don't think it has as good of games as some people make it out to...and I don't think the PS3 really does yet either, but I think it has more than people say it does...
But when it comes to XBL stuff...90% of XBL supporters do not understand what the PSN has that is different...or care...the arguments are fueled with ignorance to the point where it bothers me enough to say something about it...
there are only 2 things XBL has that the PSN doesn't right now...1) is unified messaging across all games...which is being addressed by the next firmwared update, rumored to at least...and 2) is content...and that could be forever...but I wouldn't necessarily say better content...PSN has just within the last month recieved every big demo needed...there is no longer a situation where only XBL is getting demos for multiplatform games...there sure used to be, but that gap is quickly closing...
However the PSN already has things that XBL doesn't...and MS says never will...the UGC issue with games like UT3 are simply better in every possible way on the PSN...and will stay that way...and Sony's enormous resources with first party publishing can't be touched by Microsoft...despite Halo3, SCE is still bigger than Nintendo and MS combined as far as publishing resources...and this translates to the end user through tons of dedicated servers, which make the online gaming experience much better than laggy p2p only and constant user side NAT problems...
every platform has strengths and weaknesses...and this article actually wasn't at all the place for me to bring this up...but it is too late anyway...its frustrating that a game like Halo 3, which would have convinced me to buy a 360 for myself if it would live up to the hype, will be utterly destroyed by UT3 imo...and the frustration comes from the fact that nearly everyone won't realize that...
I can see the problem with not being able to search for a co-op game, my friends list is pretty dam small. But I don't mind the matchmaking at all, in fact I prefer it to having to trawl through a load of custom gametypes to find which one to join. Instead you just press ready, wait a minute or two and bang in your in. I dunno the amount of times I'd played Rainbow Six, went through a load of gametypes, tried to join, then got booted out for no reason. Screw that, I just wanna play!
The only thing I do find annoying I've played about 25 team slayer games so far and I still have yet to play on Epitaph! Why is that??
Epitaph is the smallest map, you won't see it in Team Slayer. Play Lone Wolves or Double Team and you'll see it often.
Lair's controls are "broken". Not Halo 3 online.
The reason for killing the search feature is to reduce cheaters. They ruin games.
how does this reduce cheaters it only reduces my fun.
Lair controls are in no way broken. It is just something that takes a couple hours to get used to. So, if you have the attention span of a 3 yr old with ADD, then of course you won't like the controls.
Hell, even I was scared to play the game after everything I read. Then I did play it and at first the controls were annoying and hard to use for the first couple of levels. But, I kept going and in time it just became natural and wasn't a problem anymore.
11.3 I sort of agree...
Lair's controls are not broken...they worked fine for me, and I was able to do what I needed when i needed to with only 30 minutes of practice...
its the rest of the game that sucked beyond belief...seriously...no denying or defending that potty floater...it was hyped...supposed to redefine how we play an action game...and it was probably the least fun 8 hours I ever put into something...glad I rented it, but even then...I want my money back...
the reviewers were only wrong on why the game sucked...they were right with the fact that 8-10 hours of watching concrete harden would be time better spent...
I have not played co-op yet but I did see in the game settings that you can change your network settings to allow only people on your friends list to join your co-op games which I believe is the default, however you can also make it so that it is open to anyone looking to play co-op. Check it out and see if this helps.
That option only opens the search for people on your "recently played" list. The other two options narrow it down to friends only or invites only.
Trust me, I have tried to find a way around this because I just couldn't believe that I wouldn't be able to "search" for an online co-op game. But unfortunately after a visit to Bungie.net, I know now that there is no way to openly search for an online co-op game.
the ability not to search ranked matches. It sorta forces you to be good at everything if you really care about your rank. It stops you from stiking to one thing to boost up your rank.
However, you really should be able to search for social matches. You should be able to search for Forge matches. With that said though, I still like matchmaking. It should stay the same, but have searching as an option too.
will always find a way to cheat. If your saying bungie has found the cure to cheaters im sure your wrong! When i played a 5 hour marathon of Halo over at my buddys house we played 3-4maps only and never seen a 8on8 game! I found the game extremly boring and searching for players really slowed down the 5 hours i was there.
If you where able to make a custom maps and open it to the public you would have a lot more fun. I guess its one more thing Socom had over most other online shooters! Custom maps and the abilty to have all your friends on one map! And when i say all i mean 32players!
3 years in the making and this is how they treat the biggest online comunity! 2bad really but as we all know Halo players will never find fault in the game.
I never said it was a "cure". It keeps a level playing field in ranked matches.
Halo 3 matching and coop limited... lol.. ok.. when any PS3 game on comes near a matching system that can find and match 2 Million people as quickly as Halo 3 does and let you play 4 players co-op with your friends... ohh yeah.. and allows you to join their games if they allow it... plus you can send or they can send you invites.. then I will go nutz against Bungie... until then... it's the best there is.. name another game with such matching system?
@PimpHandHappy - what's wrong with you... why do you bother with the xbox 360... you always have a story about you playing a game or playing an xbox 360.. just to come to N4G and flame the xbox 360. if the xbox 360 and the games are soooooooo bad and boring.. why do you have to go bother your friends with your presense? Seriously, your friends are really good people... I would never let any Sony fanboy near my xbox 360... I'm sure that you are probably thinking, "how do I cause RROD on it... so I he can hate it and buy a PS3...".
include "SONY FANBOYS"
you really have NO imagination.
to be a fanboy to offer some critism. I think the matchmaking system is the best out there, but it could be better. Do you really think that it's perfect?
@FFVIIFan - there is a big difference between the best matching system can always improve and "Halo 3 Online is broken"... do you even know what "broken" means?
Here are some examples,
physically and forcibly separated into pieces or cracked or split; "a broken mirror"; "a broken tooth"; "a broken leg"; "his neck is broken"
not continuous in space, time, or sequence or varying abruptly; "broken lines of defense"; "a broken cable transmission"; "broken sleep"; "tear off the stub above the broken line"; "a broken note"; "broken sobs"
subdued or brought low in condition or status; "brought low"; "a broken man"; "his broken spirit"
(especially of promises or contracts) having been violated or disregarded; "broken (or unkept) promises"; "broken contracts"
tamed or trained to obey; "a horse broken to the saddle"; "this old nag is well broken in"
topographically very uneven; "broken terrain"; "rugged ground"
imperfectly spoken or written; "broken English"
thrown into a state of disarray or confusion; "troops fleeing in broken ranks"; "a confused mass of papers on the desk"; "the small disordered room"; "with everything so upset"
weakened and infirm; "broken health resulting from alcoholism"
destroyed financially; "the broken fortunes of the family"
out of working order (`busted' is an informal substitute for `broken'); "a broken washing machine"; "the coke machine is broken"; "the coke machine is busted"
discontinuous; "broken clouds"; "broken sunshine"
shut ur pie whole fool! I cant believe u just said "i would never let my PS3 friends near my 360" wow what a tool and this coming from the same kid who said "i will never have a PS3 because of you fanboys"
u need to get a grip dude because every time i look at your comments, ur on ignore btw, they scream of hateful fanboy! I dont judge my friends by what they play! I judge them by how they play it! I bet your the kid who is screaming "camping fa#g#ts" or just calling ppl names over the open mic!
Call me when the 360 has a 32player online shooter! That will make sure you never call me EVER!
punk sally b!tch
Wow, you put way too much into that response. I agree. Halo 3 online isn't broken. I never said that. I said its the best out there. However, I do think there is room for improvement. If you are so blind as to not see then you seriously disapoint me. It doesn't make you a bad gamer to admit when a game could be better in some aspects. It would make you a bad fanboy. That's why I think you have such a hard time say anything slightly negative about the 360 or any game that comes out for it.
Resistance does everything you mentioned...has the messaging system and joining/invite system built in...except it doesn't have online co-op...thats the only thing that ever held it back...
but it does have dedicated servers...it has custom map making/hosting with a heartbeat pumped to the master server, then shown on the main lobby list...so that anyone can see the game settings, see who is in it, and make a decision based on that...it has a full matchmaking system, with party support...create or join a party, and you will all get fed into the ranked servers correctly...in the squads you specified earlier (squads can be changed in game too)...if you want half your party on one team, and the other half as enemy...you can do that...there is literally nothing any other console game has in this regard on Resistance other than co-op...I just mentioned several things that Halo 3 somehow doesn't, all of which it should...I understand that halo 3 has the forge and video capture (coolest feature ever), which more than make up for it...but don't be blind, if you think Halo 3 doesn't lack some very standard online features...you may officially have an incurable disease known as Halo'o'sis...
and funny you brought up going to "friend's with 360's places"...I was at a friends just last night to play halo 3 for a few hours...and we ended up playing Warhawk all night...strange isn't it?...
@PimpHandHappy - Ok... I call you now... battlefield 2 modern combat... is 32 players... wow... dont you feel stupid now... do your research... developers deside how many players they want to allow not the xbox 360... many of them feel 32 player is too crowded.. and I don't blame them... but there is nothing wrong technically as proven by this old title... 32 player doable... want another example.. that will make you feel even worst? Huxley!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hundreds of players at the same time.... once is out... you probably going to have to hide under a rock... with your statement.... 32 players.. lol..
sad... you can't tell that developers make these restrictions due to design and not hardware restrictions....
if an old PC can run 64 players of COD what make you think that any console which are like 10 times more poweful can't do this?
they need to put team hardcore and ffa hardcore in matchmaking. i fucckin hate starting out with the assult rifle, it sux, it's a noobs weapon of choice. the battle riffle pwns every other weapon.
This complaint as well. He was trying to set up an offline multiplayer match with me, and it took quite a while for him to figure out what to do (he had just bought it). Instead of “Single Player” and “Multiplayer” being obvious options like in Halo 2 (or just about every other game out there), the different game types were hidden behind really obscure names and options. We didn’t even attempt looking for CTF.
So this is what it takes to have a 10/10 game?
Sorry, no can do. =]
making custom games and playing with friends - Check works fine
playing ranked games with strangers - check works fine
playing ranked games with friends against strangers - check works fine
being able to search for a custom game or offer your custom game to strangers - Not working
Searching through endless lists of servers only to join, get "sorry, match is full" messages or booted out of the room once you join is NOT fun.
GOW online was literally *ruined* because of the server setup. I can't count how many times it took me 15-20 minutes just to get into a game.
...and then you're stuck playing with the same people OVER and OVER and OVER again.
And you have everyone and their grandmother starting thier own server because they want "host" or they're control freaks or morons who can't tell their own mouth from their @#$hole.
Matchmaking, when implemented properly (like Bungie has done) is by FAR the best way to organize things. This way you keep your opponents fresh, and you get to experience a wide variety of maps and gametypes. And, above all, you get to do it in an easy-to-use way.
I mean, how simple is picking a play list, assembling some friends (if they're onling - if not, no problem) in your party and hitting "start". Within a minute, usually less, you're playing. If the first gametype is something you don't like, you can try vetoing it. If the other team wants to play it - tough luck! It's a single friggin' game. They're ALL fun.
...and the system will ANONYMOUSLY pick the best host out of all the players in the map, instead of some jack@#$ who eats his own dandruff and has the s#$ttiest internet connection in the world, but happens to be the server host!
!@#$% that server list @#$%! It sucks @#$%.
Kudos to Bungie. Multiplayer is not broken. You want to see broken multiplayer? Look to GOW. Epic can lick my nutz. Especially that Joe Graf prick who claimed that friends couldn't party up for ranked games because "Microsoft wouldn't allow it". Pffft. My ass. What a prickish liar.
you're 100% correct. if you have trouble with the halo3 multiplayer then you're either a total noob, retard or you have a shi77y connection or like most people on this site probably haven't played it yet bi7ch about it
Damn good post BenzMoney! Bubbles for you, Halo's Matchmaking is the best ever and if you want to B7tch about it take it elsewhere!
whats broken about it.... is when u play Halo 3 online .... there is no SWAT match gametype
there's no problem here, don't be whiny pu$$ies.
Warhawk has the same problem too.. no worry.
shoulda mimicked the Gears of War multiplayer search function, then everything would have been cake, oh well its still fun to play
I need a large drink with this ownage! ;)
i only play w/ freinds....also changed the title,as its not broken in any way..your just spoiled by all the options as it is......this game tends to spoil all gamers..
I use to love the sword in halo 2 and now i hate it
Difference is with Warhawk you are not paying $50 a year for the privelage.
You can search for custom EVERYTHING in Warhawk though.
but you cant invite your friends.
This is exactly why I haven't bought Halo 3 yet.
oh and LIVE is better than PSN??
yea it took me 20 minutes to find a game........it would find all the players......and then randomly start over cuz it lost connection
Instead of spending 80% of the budget on the megaton hype campaign.
How many years in development and we get Halo 2 in HD (scratch that, not even HD) with a couple of new gimmicky features.
Shortastic campaign. Well can't blame them on that as MS promised insane compression techniques so HD DVD wouldn't be needed. Of course they weren't being honest in true M$$$$$$$ style.
Just like I said in the other article just about this.
*cry* I wanna play public custom games cause, I dont have enough friends to set them up my self *cry*
I have about 20-30 friends on my friends list, I have no problem at any time settingup an custom game, If you are having problems then you must have no one or just one person on your list, Because its easy to setup an custom game with even 5 people on ur list, AS long as you leave the custom game open for your friends to join, and their friends.
and share the experience? lol last i checked i could play games online, Last I checked I could share my gametypes, Movies, Screenies, and Clips over gameshare lol what an retarded article.
P.S: I recently Read an Article of censorship and such in the latest issue of GFW (games for windwos) And it applies to this, Whenever there is something as big and great and popular as halo 3 there will be detractors that come out of the woodwork to make a name for themselves by saying oh that sux its bad..blah blah blah!
yeaa im sorry but what horsesheit.
Whatever they don't care, they already got their money and mine :(
We were all suckered by the tremondous hype.
I hate it when people defend this......
If you'd been forced to play snowbound, shotty snipers 4x in a row I think you'd not be so forgiving.
Is it really so hard to let me choose a level and mode?
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