At GDC 2011 in San Francisco today, David Cage stood resolute in front of a packed room of coders, writers, artists and designers with a clear message: It's about time video games finally grew up.
That's kinda funny coming from a guy who used tits to market his game. And yes, that's exactly what those "OMG! LOOK AT HER! SHE'S SHOWING HER TITS AND STRIPPING" trailers were for. Sex sells and Heavy Rain totally played that card to generate hype.
I really hope for another emotionally driven game like heavy ran with good story again..I dont even care what the console platform, so long as its on console.
"good story" lols
I would've never guessed that was the game's selling point. Was that really your mentality when you saw it? Have you never seen boobs before? That sort of marketing mainly works in NA. Besides, here boobs were shown in a mature, non-sexual way.
You guys can defend the game all you want. Its a fantastic game. But Urmomlol has a point. The game was marketed with sexual scenes, nothing else. Think about it. They didnt even show any of the guy characters till the game was about to release. All up till then was all about the stripper scene...
Is the Madison trailer the only one you guys remember?
I was sold by two things: 1. I enjoyed Indigo Prophecy 2. "Everything I did, I did for love" trailer. I didn't even let Maddie take off all her clothes in the stripping scene, I felt like I was degrading her. But I did play this game like Cage wanted me too, with my own personal emotions and thoughts.
Obviously you missed his point or you won't be making that comment. And for the record, The media used Heavy Rain's naked scene to make all the fuss. If you actually played the game you would know that the "tits" scenes were always within the context of the game.
Madison was being held at gunpoint and was being coerced to strip by a thug. That guy intended to rape her. That's not a gratuitously sexy scene. If that type of thing really turns you on, maybe you should get some help.
Maybe you should learn to read. What was being showcased the most prior to Heavy Rain's release? What was grabbing headlines? Was it the in-depth storyline? The choices? The awful voice acting? No, it was the nudity and the fact that the game featured it. Don't be naive and pretend like the developers didn't know exactly what they were doing when they gave that footage to the media. Tits, no matter what the context, is still ZOMFG THIS GAME HAS TITS and suddenly your game goes from being obscure to mainstream solely because it has breasts in it. If you don't realize this, then you don't realize how marketing works. Big hint: Tomb Raider didn't become such a huge success just because it was a good game. Oh, and then they allowed Madison Paige to be showcased in Playboy...so uh...yeah. That's being real classy and not using sex to sell at all, right?
That's not true. Unless you're a 14 year old who goes crazy every time he sees boobs.
Yeah because all the Oscar nods with sex scenes were meant for adolescents. It's about the themes covered in the story telling irrespective of sex or violence - are they adult themes or kiddy themes or something in between. Most games have stories made for 12-15 year olds.
Was sex and nudity really the main aspect of Heavy Rain's advertising though? I mean, it seemed like game SITES were advertising that side to the game moreso than the publishers were.
the everything i do for love trailer was what made me wanted this game not some tit scene. im close to 40 yrs old im not some silly ass teenager anymore. heavy rain was such a refreshing game mature without all the stupid kiddie stuff like most games (bulletstorm).
The problem was the gaming "press" online who focused on the nude pictures and story elements. I read plenty online and magazine stories about HR that were about other elements. All characters were previewed and the different gameplay mechanics showed, but not for those who were too mesmerized by digitized boobies to get by them...
gaming sites used the tits, none of the official trailers were like that
Im a teenager and I played it. Best PS3 game I have ever played... it all depends on the player. When you release it on a console, expect mostly immature reactions. That may be implying something insulting and I apologize, just no other way to put it.
well according to G4 we need more immature shooters but we have them they just get less press. we have a bunch of immature and mature games by the one you want simple.
I'm pretty sure there's no such thing as a shooter that's not immature.
eh...is that sarcasm
Bulletstorm is the worst.
Bulletstorm is bad but I think Duke Nukem will probably top that, and the Postal games were piles of wrong wrapped up in a dirty douche of immaturity.
Heavy Rain is still one of my most favorite games EVER. I've never been on the edge of my seat and so nervous and anxious all at the same time before while playing a game. The tension building up in most of the game really made it quite the emotional thrill ride. I was very pleased after playing it.
It's sad that plot of the most story-driven game this generation is likable to the plot of most made-for-television films. It just says to me that games have a VERY long way to go before people outside of the industry will consider them compelling. I guess Roger Ebert has a point.
To be fair, many other games are much, much better written than Heavy Rain. Thing is, Heavy Rain was the "first experience" to story-based games for a lot of people out there, so they naturally assume it to be good. Heavy Rain doesn't really do anything that dozens of other games haven't done better.
The plot of most other games is quite thin. The only other game that has more character development and plot points is probably the MGS series. This a compliment to Heavy Rain but also a very big criticism of games in general. Lots of games have excellent concepts but don't execute those concepts in a good way. The philosophies underlie Bioshock are radical and unique in the gaming world. While everyone else is making games about aliens invading Earth or some other planet, Irrational made a game about politics and capitalism and ethics. Why don't more games incorporate mature ideas?
The perception seems to be that gaming is just for kids, even among the gaming industry types, who should know better. Bring on the next title, Mr Cage, and don't make me wait until next generation.
They should know better since every demographic study of gaming I've seen shows teenagers are in the minority.
Q: Why are video games so immature? A: cuz most gamers are. Games by their very nature are fun and light-hearted. What could be more fun than being immature in a virtual world where your actions often don't have RL consequences ('cept maybe getting fat...:S) Why do we have so many gamers being pricks online? It's fun to be immature. Games emulate this attitude. Every once in a while a game comes along that's serious, and we step back and take note because it's different. Most devs know that not every game can be serious, or else no one would want to play. HR was an awesome game, but I wouldn't want every game to be like that.
The gaming industry is immature. You take a game and try your best to be as mature and try to include real feelings and realistic personalities. Only a select few want it. You make a game with cursing,limbs flying every where with unnecessary nudity and crude humor and it sells like hotcakes. Most people missed the point of HR because they were to busy pointing out every unimportant detail, small plot hole or slight inconsistency in the story.But these same people play games with plots that aren't even believable by fiction standards. Characters kill everyone in sight in the most gruesome ways like stomping their heads on the pavement and developers still try to shoehorn in some emotion into the psycho killer. Kratos at least was tormented by the Gods and was a barbarian. Drake was forced into situations and had to defend himself just like Indiana Jones but trying to make the rough marine who cuts out the heart of the enemy or chainsaws their heads off into a hero. In short your trying to sell mature games to an immature world
thats great david, but i want to actually play games when im PLAYING VIDEO GAMES, not play 8 hours of quicktime events. if more mature means less actual game, then count me in for immature.
Answer to the question in the title: Lowest common denominator.
My name is Joseph Smith Brown and i demand this game be available on the XBOX 360 ASAP
Does he knows that most game are played by kids and teenager? I mean c'mon, do you expect adult to actually have time to play game?
so r u guys saying that more adult play games than kids?
Consider this. Adults have more disposable income, the adults of today grew up playing games. I have a bigger game collection NOW than I ever did growing up and relying on other people to buy games for me, essentially birthday and Christmas. This isn't like the 90s where kids sit in their room playing games, gaming moved into the living room, it's fueled, for most companies, by adult titles or, at least, games focused towards an older audience.
Consider this: Adults do have more disposable income, doesn't mean they spend it on games (even group that grew up playing games). What about working, housing, go on vacation, movies, music, go out on parties, hang out with family/friends? When you read news about more adult playing game now then ever, what do they play mostly? Iphone games, flash games, sport games etc....something quick (see Wii success), not games that require dedication and times (heavy rain and especially RPG for example). The largest group that still have time for games are children,teenager and college students right? I also buy more game now then ever (i grew up playing game like u said) but i don't really have time to play them (still have 20 something games that i haven't played, and 30-40 something that i haven't finish, not to mention plenty more from my collection). Even when i do have time, i rather spend it on something else because time is quit precious for adult. I'll let my nephews and nieces borrow games all the time and now i'm black listed as a bad influence uncle. And it is still like the 90s where gaming system are still in the living room. I don't remember when i was little having my own tv or something in my room. I dont see a lot of people w/ that luxury either. Companies promote their consoles as an all in one entertainment systems right? It can play music, movies, news, internet, games, etc... so which group do you think used it for gaming the most? Yes there are a lot of game rated mature or focuses towards an older audiences, except children and underage still get access to them. Another demographic that also play a lot of those games are college students (which can play any games), but would you consider them as mature or having disposable income as a working adult? Heavy rain also use nudity to spark interest in gamers. Would an adult (been there done that) be more interested in nuditity then teenager who are more curious about sex? I assuming that you have been through that and know what i'm talking about right Pirate Thom?
I played heavy rain and I am a teenager, and I loved the game. so what is this guy talking about
Funny since the game felt like it was written by a teenager.
I think the storyline was exceptional. I dont know what game you are talking about, but it has a better story than most games these generation.
You must enjoy Uwe Boll movies as well because that's about the quality of David Cage's writing. Heavy Rain had great graphics but little else.
I agree with you. For all they hype about a "mature" story line, it ended up being more like a dark comic book.
Hey there are plenty of well written comic books out there. I mean, read anything by Alan Moore, Neil Gaiman, Darwyn Cooke, Alan Grant, Grant Morrison, etc.. Maybe a 90's comic book when the industry absolutely sucked except for a few series (Starman, JLA, Swamp Thing, Sandman). Heavy Rain wasn't well thought out. There are enormous gaps in the story and for as realistic as it tries to be it has absolutely no suspension of disbelief because of bad dialogue or non-sensical events.
You guys talk as if the story was simplistic, yet i highly doubt you can do better.
i didn't know the game have nude...
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