Modern Warfare 3: New engine 'would be counter productive' - Infinity Ward

Developer says it still has "a great team" and it's "working on a great project"

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wwm0nkey2572d ago

And this is why Battlefield 3 just won.

jizzyjones2572d ago

Bf3 will be superior regardless of whatever activision can come up with, but that wont stop people buying COD.

wwm0nkey2572d ago

I don't know about that. I have seen a lot of hype build up around Battlefield 3 recently. A lot of people are talking about it and its spreading.

Zir02572d ago

Yeah COD will still dominate, the brand is just too strong now. Unless EA can do an ad campaign bigger than Activision they don't stand much of a chance converting the casual COD crowd.

And we haven't seen BF3 on consoles yet, it could look as bad as COD as it's clear they are focusing on the PC version.

limewax2572d ago (Edited 2572d ago )

The Nerve of these guys. They are the biggest selling franchise yet they cant afford to work on an engine or give dedicated servers. This is really low. Every other game company can do it but them apparently.

Cant see CoD being here next gen if they stick with that attitude

claterz2572d ago

@limewax, why would they make a new engine though? Like you said they are already the owners of the best selling franchise, and they did that without making a new engine. As long as people continue to buy Call of Duty games, they won't change a thing, because they obviously don't need too.

guigsy2572d ago

To me the Battlefield 3 trailer has the same wow factor as the first COD4 trailer did back in 2007.

MostJadedGamer2572d ago (Edited 2572d ago )

Actually all things eventually come to and end. I wouldn't at all be surprised if MW3 had a MASSIVE drop in sales

Casual fans can easily become bored, and leave the COD franchise in massive droves. Activision is playing a very dangerous game.

DeadlyFire2572d ago

The backbone of CoD is Infinity Ward. It is gone. Game might still turn out okay, but it will always suffer for not having that team on board.

sikbeta2572d ago

"Modern Warfare 3: New engine would be counter productive" = why spend money improving the game if teh CODz sell millions with loads of glitches and bugs and nobody seems to care about... XD

hay2572d ago (Edited 2572d ago )

Actually it's good marketing decision. They built the franchise, it's selling like a dream so they can reduce the budget for some titles, make them disappointing, they will still sell.
When customers will stop being happy with the sh!t they shove down their troats, they'll make better game and it'll be all over again.
Unless they fail the last step which will mean no more CoDs for few years.

I'm pretty sure Square did the same thing with FF13.

But this means they treat gamers as wallets. Nothing more.

limewax2572d ago

lol what? I will admit square messed up with FFXIII, but they did at least build a whole new engine thats multi-platform in the process. So now if they do mnage to make a decent game it will still feel up to date. CoD engine has been rehashed way too often, especially consdiring the CoD4 engine wasnt exactly miles above their previous outing.

The CoD engine progresses slowly as it is, the amount of time its been left at standstill means they have a LOT of catching up to do when they build a new engine.

Its an eventual bullet in the foot, People will get bored of playing the same game one day. CoD is going to fall out of attention for too long, when it does come back it will have lost its momentum, and although a return of the franchise will get hype they then would need to live up to it. They need to start working on a new engine soon to future proof the franchise

Inside_out2572d ago (Edited 2572d ago )

COD is the king of the hill until someone knocks them off. I know what COD is bringing to the table and Battlefield will need a major over haul if it wants to take that on. The problem with Battlefield is it's game play is antiquated. Nobody wants to fly around in a helo or drive a tank...not the 20+ million gamers on COD anyways.

I haven't seen anything from Battlefield that is new and wasn't there years ago. Going head to head with the explosive COD franchise will expose it's weakness. COD was made for today and the ADD gamer nation...just look at this...WoW...


EA and Dice can show all the high end PC game play they want...but eventually, they will have to show " real " game play and that's when it will get interesting. COD is a proven commodity selling tens of millions and logging BILLIONS of hours on-line and Battlefield, at this point, is nothing more than a copy cat right now. Even the trailers and cover art looks exactly like COD...O_o

The haters are so ignorant. Activision is milking the franchise???...then what the heck is EA and Dice doing. They are like chickens without a head. Battlefield 2 and MOH last year and here will are again with the same thing.

jeseth2572d ago

"would be counterproductive"

That means it would be too expensive and they wouldn't be able to milk this franchise every year.

Why improve? The sheep will continue to flock no matter whether they actually improve the series or not.

nickjkl2572d ago

if activision really cared and actually spent the money they get from sales they could of made one of the most spectacular looking games on both consoles

ABizzel12572d ago

That just goes to show, that IW's head people in charge and Activision are in it all for the money.

When you see someone up the ante, and you're supposedly the best you should be the first one step in and defend your crown.

BF3 from a technical standpoint, just crushed every COD game. I'm not saying they have to have a new engine, but they need to do something, and from what he says it seems like this will be another same old COD, with a slight twist. Whereas BF3 is evolving.

Liefx2571d ago

Personally, I'll be buying both.

ComboBreaker2571d ago

counter productive to the profits of Activision.

snipes1012571d ago

I too like BF more than COD however, when I have a bunch of friends over we play COD because it has some features that BF just doesn't. It has split screen off line mp so four of us can crowd around the tv and talk shit and it allows for guests on live. Dice, for whatever stubborn reason, has not had any of these features on any of their BF games so they are not going to win over any of the casual college dorm room players who just want to shoot shit with their friends. Again, I prefer BF but I can only play that with friends over live.

Pixelated_Army2571d ago

Counter productive to what, your bottom line? This just shows how incompetent Activision/IW/Treyarch/SH truly are. You're paying for the same old game and graphics over and over again. I'm going to pass on this mkay. ha-ha

NeutralGamer2571d ago

Long story short:

They dont want to make a new engine because it take years...

Yes it takes years but for the love of god I would rather wait 2 years to play an all new COD with new engine, rather than played another dumbed down COD this year with reused engine...

Dee_912571d ago

the respect I had for them just went into the negatives

DaTruth2571d ago (Edited 2571d ago )

COD is the McDonald's of gaming! Not really anything good, but millions buy it anyway!

EVILDEAD3602571d ago

So let's keep it 100% real

Spending 2-3 years building a new engine from scratch..before you start on your new game that won't even matter because in 2-3 years we will ALL be talking about 3 new consoles


Spend all of your resources building upon the existing engine and create the best game you possibly can, with all of the high prodution values that Call of Duty fans can expect.

IMO, After the Activision legal debacle and losing over 30 members of your team, it'll be a great success story to see Infinity Ward pull it off again..

We know the daily routine..the haters have been whining endlessly about the franchise since Kotick made his infamous PS3 comments..followed by the dedicated server announcement..

At the end of the day, no amount of hate and internet petitions could stop MW2 or Treyarchs' Black Ops.

Gamers offline could care less about internet fan kid politics that have people pretending daily that MW2 and Black Ops are the worst two games in the history of gaming.

I look forward to Battlefield 3 and all the rest of the shooters..but if I.W.'s overcomes the obstacles they've faced..MW3 is going to end up with another record year..even with stiff competition..

The plot thickens..


limewax2571d ago (Edited 2571d ago )

Yeah the new consoles will be coming but it doesnt mean they cant be working on it. You have a massive company with no end of funds to tap, 3 individual dev companies. And with all that they cant find room to work a new engine WHILE churning out re-skinned games?

And new consoles incoming or not doesnt mean they need to wait, they can be building a base for the engine prepping it as more details about the new consoles reach them, meaning they would be able to release as fast as possible

Its an absolute joke, sorry if I come off as arrogant but I have only had a couple years small business experience yet still I could manage this better than activision are now, This is business basics at its best, future proofing. This is going to bite them in the ass one day I garuntee

chainer30002571d ago

Wow... we dont want a new engine because it would cost money and time, and we want to get a COD game every year, so no go!

Another reason why COD will eventually crash and burn - flood the market with your own product and you get Guitar Hero syndrome

deafwing2571d ago

the only thing i hope is that dice and company don't let this new found additional popularity get to their heads ... and then we go down the same path again

EVILDEAD3602571d ago (Edited 2571d ago )

'And new consoles incoming or not doesnt mean they need to wait, they can be building a base for the engine prepping it as more details about the new consoles reach them, meaning they would be able to release as fast as possible'

Do you honestly think that they aren't working on new tech while they are working on this project..

They are simply talking about their next this point there is no need to build an entirely new engine from the ground up..especially when developers prove time and time again that they learn more and more how to harness existing engine after every project

It's not the engine that makes or breaks a's the experience...ask Rockstar after Red Dead...

Ask the world did Batman: AA turn out to be a horiible game because a bunch of internet backseat drivers keep screaming that the Unreal engine should be destroyed..

In the flipside, Ask Remedy how much time and money it cost them when they scrapped their original engine and build an entirely new one for Alan Wake.

Again, building a great game should be their priority..the new engines will obviuosly come down the line..

TruthSeeker2571d ago

All COD "HAS" is a mindless legion of fans who who have low expectations for what a GOOD game should be.

Kevin ButIer2571d ago

Oh god u got to hate this m... f... they are drowning in money thaks to COD and they dont even want to spend time on a new engine... god...

Im all yours BF3

NukaCola2571d ago


Here have a INTELLIGENT, so you can get another bubbble. You just spoke the words that made Bobby Kotick finally realize 'rehash' is not a good word.

awi59512571d ago

Who are they trying to fool all the talent left with the founders lol. Treyarch has been living off of the real makers of call of duty and they all got fired or left. They have to use they same engine they dont have the talent to make their own lol.

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joydestroy2572d ago

lol i was just gonna say that BF3 is gonna wipe the floor with this game this year. not even a contest

Trunkz Jr2572d ago (Edited 2572d ago )

Ahahahah!! Their still trying to milk their engine until they don't make a gain on sales. How sad that they can't offer CoD players a solid slice of quality.

I got Black Ops and it will be my last CoD, it didn't feel a whole lot different from CoD4 and I got tired of it after a week.

jeseth2572d ago

Agreed. I'm right there with you Trunkz. I traded my Black Ops in early on after being completely turned off by it. It actually is a step back from MW2.

But now that I haven't played COD I've had the time to play so many awesome games one would miss out while constantly playing COD online . .

I did a whole new playthrough Dragon Age : Origins, including Awakening and all the DLC.

Played Castlevania (Awesome Game), Enslaved (Surprisingly good), Dead Space 2 (Awesome), GT5 (Awesome), Killzone 3 (Awesome), Red Faction (For 15 bucks . . . a really fun game), DJ Hero (RIP . . . but the mixes are awesome), and I'm playing Madd Effect 2 right.

Needless to say I've played a lot of great games and haven't spent that time getting my party back in lobbies after people get kicked, getting annoyed by the terrible bullet detection and auto aim, and even worse spawning.

Black Ops was where COD lost me too. COuldn't care less for the next one. It took a little to break away because of how much my online friends still play but now that I'm not playing I don't miss it one bit. I'll def be getting BF3 and hopefully I'll hook up with a new group of players. Bye bye COD.

vsr2571d ago

Tooooo Laaate!!!!!!!!

MegaMohsi2572d ago

lol BFBC2 is NOT a true BF game. It's a spinoff of the franchise. Nothing new? What is COD doing every year that's new? It's just a different era, same coat of paint, same problems. How are you not even gonna think about updating the engine at least? This is why games development will stagnate when you have companies that will keep doing the same thing yearly and know sucker gamers like you will keep buying it, congrats. Also how is it possible that ever since COD4, every COD game has gotten worse???

DaTruth2571d ago

They don't even care about their customers! They are just big walking wallets to them!

I would almost think these developers only make games and don't play them; at least they would want to make a better game so they could play it!

Imagine getting so bored of your own game you don't even want to play it during testing! It would explain all the bugs!

RBLAZE19882572d ago (Edited 2572d ago )

AKA Activision would never allow it. But as jizzyjones said it won't stop cod from outselling every other fps. COD has a specific formula that will just keep people coming back. They just add a new feature and re organize the perks and make some new wack ass single player and all the people who bought it last year will get it again. They've managed to manufacture a drug in videogame form.

Mikelarry2572d ago

@guigsy that trailer i mean COD4 trailer is number 4 of my personal best trailers. i just love the way the guy says the line "OUR SO CALLED LEADERS". infact im gona go watch that trailer now remember the good ol days

JeffGUNZ2572d ago

I gotta say, I just lost all interest in Call of Duty. Battlefield 3 looks like they have taken the time to raise the bar and I am pumped for that game. The reason COD is still popular is because of COD4. People like me keep hoping a future COD will mirror that, but we have not been given that game. Black ops brought the game close to its COD4 roots, but still not near that level. I am just tired of the same crap every year. I haven't played Black Ops for ages now and I was at the midnight release. I am only looking foward to Battlefield 3 and Gears 3 .

iPad2572d ago

i wont be surprised if a COD fanboy buys BF3 and say its too hard for them

Three_Sisters2571d ago

I agree firing assault rifles in BF and CoD are different

in seems that people in the game has ginormous muscular arms and shoulders that are strong enough to hold the rifle still leading all bullets hit on whatever they're exactly pointing at a single HOLD of the trigger up to emptying the rifle's attached magazine...

in does simulate firing rifles better by giving it real recoil feel...the more you hold the trigger, the more scattered the bullets will be...

A lot of us have an idea how firing an assault rifle in real life...just watch real footage or films then you'll know which game takes shooters genre more seriously

Soldierone2571d ago

To be funny EA should toss in "COD" mode online. Which has 100 percent aim assist and is 100 times easier than the normal game.

awi59512570d ago

Yeah a battlefield game has bullet drop and long distance shooting snipers will rage. After a certain distance sniping takes some skill.

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Christopher2572d ago

While I'm not agreeing with them overall, I think there's a huge distinction between the concept of using a new engine and continue to use and improve their in-house engine. It's unlikely that they won't continue to use and improve upon their current engine, they just won't be switching to any new engine other than what they develop in-house.

damnyouretall2571d ago (Edited 2571d ago )

yeah fuck them. they cant amp up production with all the money they made? they ruined the franchise we all loved at one point in time. fuck your 60 fps benchmark, that doesnt make a game great anymore.

the_best_player2571d ago

same old COD with better textures, no thanks

TheIneffableBob2571d ago

Yup. DICE keeps pushing the boundaries of technology because they know that it will help them make a better game. And by technology, they don't just mean graphics, but audio, animations, and technical things such as destruction and physics.

The Call of Duty series keeps on using the same engine because it lets them put out a new release every year.

Prototype2571d ago

Garbage like this makes me glad I boycotted Activision games; and articles like this makes me wanna convince people I know to tell this company to kick rocks

tunaks12571d ago

u do realize Activision publishes Prototype right...

Prototype2571d ago

Its a name I came up with before prototype was a game; if you dont believe me check when I signed up on this site

Shackdaddy8362571d ago (Edited 2571d ago )

Lol. Its amazing that they cant build a new engine considering they rake in 10mil+ every single year.

With all the money they have, they should be able to make the best engine ever.

Just laziness...

DICE is going to destroy these losers...

Gamer_Z2571d ago (Edited 2571d ago )

How is a new engine counter productive!? Wow it never ceases to amaze me how terrible Activision and their devs are, if anything a new engine would breathe some fresh air into this franchise and if they have to take some time off COD to develop it they should. A new engine would only strengthen the brand but no they prefer to rip people off with the same game every year. Well guys I’m not falling for the hype train this year and I hope you don’t either.

Elven62571d ago

It's counter productive because the development team has to learn how to work with a new engine, and given the troubled development history MW3 has had so far and the fact that the release date is 2011 they probably won't be able to build a better engine in that amount of time.

I think Infinity Ward has the superior Call of Duty engine. Treyarch did some great things with World at War but with Black Ops it seemed like a step back. There weren't as many jaw dropping visual moments in the game, scenes with civilian cars looked pretty bad, and the indoor civilian scenes didn't look as good as the MW2 airport scene in my opinion.

I'll likely be getting both games in the end, I'm sure they'll be great. Here's hoping Infinity Ward handles multiplayer things better than MW2 and DICE doesn't give us another Battlefield 1943 (read: broken netcode).

Gamer_Z2571d ago (Edited 2571d ago )

Do you work for Activision or something or are you just a COD fanboy?? Stop defending this crap franchise even its own dev basically said that they don’t need to upgrade their engine because people will buy it anyways. So what exactly will make this next COD any different from previous versions by all accounts by not upgrading their engine they are being counter productive so why not just stick to playing COD4 or MW2 because it seems the quality of these games go's down every year, BO was shitty.

Elven62571d ago

Yes, using logic and drawing from programming experience obviously means I either work for company X or am a fanboy.

People who like Modern Warfare's story will get it for that, people who like the multiplayer will get it for that reason. Why are you so angry that people enjoy a game?

And please link me to a source where a IW developer says they don't need to make a new engine for the game because people will buy it anyway.

Gamer_Z2571d ago


yes I am very angry grrr Lol! Dude I dont care if you buy and enjoy COD, infact I hope you do buy it every year. ;)

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TBM2571d ago

personally i don't have to worry about getting this.

Vherostar2571d ago

Yep why create a new engine when you can millions re-using the same old one??? They been doing it successfully now for 3 years and people are idiots thinking they getting a new game when in reality they getting a very expensive map pack and having to go back to lvl 1.

Sarcasm2571d ago (Edited 2571d ago )

Wow, surprise surprise. Slap some new skin on it, attach the Modern Warfare 3 name, put a lame crazy story. This time you have to help Captain price and Soap battle aliens on Mars because the Martians planned to assassinate the U.S. President but the U.S. President was a Decoy and is actually a Russian Spy who was actually also a Decoy hiding the real threat in which is Captain Price who deceives Soap and Kills him but it turns out he was also a Decoy in which Ghost who burned alive is the real Soap who now has to kill Price and at the end the Earth explodes. There's also a section called "No Education" in which you are dressed as Actvision Execs and you gun down 8th graders using AK47's that have bullets of Robert Kotick's face on them.

That my friends is MW3. 8 Billion Sold.

DEagle-izer2571d ago

"Creating a new engine would be counter productive"

That has to be the most ridiculous statement I've ever heard. Why WOULDN't you want to stay ahead of oncomming competitors by making advancements to your engine? why not even improve the existing engine? It's looking and getting worse with every new installment. Engine's so old, hackers always infest the game with their nasty, disgusting crap.

Yeah it takes a long time to make a new engine, but they are also unwilling to admit that they don't have the development time to do that since Activi$ion always give them 2 yrs for the nxt Call of Duty.

I find this to be LOL worthy!

ChrisW2571d ago (Edited 2571d ago )

Infinity Ward: Why reinvent the wheel?

Gamers: Ummmm... those aren't wheels... they're squares

xtremeimport2571d ago

i dont want to "casual" COD crowd flooding my Battlefield games.

GodKing13372571d ago

LOL XD, some people said to buy the unreal engine 3 but even that is out dated. I'm a 360 fan boy but just look at the stuff ps3 is coming out with uncharted 3, kill zone 3, infamous 2, etc. the graphics on those games are insane and yet battle field 3 is the best thing graphic wise I've seen and MW3 is gonna have a bit better graphics then MW2, LOL but MW2 had better graphics than Black ops. Funny how all this stuff is turn and every body agrees but watch MW3 is gonna be the best selling game of the year!

hiredhelp2571d ago

COD AGAIN. EACH YEAR EVERY YEAR. like beano. same game same engine same faults it sucks.

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MegaMohsi2572d ago

counter-productive to what? Making a bigger profit? Seriously if they use the COD 4 engine again this is a NO buy from me.

DeFFeR2572d ago

You mean the COD 2 engine?

The same engine has been used for every CoD game since CoD 2...

MegaMohsi2572d ago

I stand corrected, this just makes it worse.