Sony supposedly has a big announcement on October 12th according to GamePro France. Until then, all we can do is speculate.
"Indeed, it seems that the dated October 12, 2007 one was chosen by Sony to make an enough important advertisement to be qualified in-house "big-bang""…
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then my inside source would have predicted this to the tee. He actually said Ocober 15th for the new model though. Cool.
http://blog.wired.com/games...
-Price Drop
-New SKU Revealed
or...
-MGS4/KZ2 Demo
-MGS4 or Rumble This Year
-New Game?
But seriously I hope they announce something good about new and upcoming games! Thats what they need right now!
I think it would be great if a demo of MSG4 or KZ2 but I'm doubtful thou.
Oh and TheMart has joined the ranks of my ignore list
Maybe they are planning a synchronized gang bang of sorts.
But in all seriousness hopefully the announcement it actually worthy of being called a "Big Bang" unlike some other announcements which were suppose to be groundbreaking but in fact noone really cared about Konami! Plus the new G4 announcement. Fingers Crossed.
Can only be 2 things... new SKU and/or price drop.
It could mean there is an explosive nuclear device in every ps3 shipped to the U.S.. That woud explain why the protagonist in most Japanese games are always out for revenge.
lol not in a million years
give us FFvII
I'm not attacking you in anyway, but I don't understand why folks keep screaming for a remade FFVII. I played & beat the game 10 years ago. I'll never forget how Sephiroth kept kicking my ass in the final battle. I really enjoyed it & will always like the game, but I'd much rather have a brand new story to play through. We already know how FFVII plays out. Wouldn't it be better if developers were spending their efforts on a new adventure for us to play?
They are: FF:XIII.
Microsoft will hear the bangs then.
Taking bet that this is the 40gb ps3 anouncement! Any takers?
Then it can't be something thats very predictable like 40GB PS3 or the Dual Shock 3. Probably MGS4 and DMC4 demo on PS3 and faster download speeds on PSN?
Because that's about suicide. Still not enough software to drive sales, MS (and maybe Nintendo) will react.
Imagine. PS3 new unit hits 399.
MS Core/Arcade will hit 199 Euro
MS Elite will hit 299 Euro or maybe even 279 Euro.
The 360 will still have the best games, the most AAA etc. MS can afford to loose money and might even play even on that price. Sony will loose even more and bring itself in a bad position because...
360 will get in the 200 to 250 Euro/Dollar mass buying price zone, forced by a cheaper PS3, but in fact it'll hurt the PS3 more as long as there are no exclusive AAA killer apps (Uncharted is the first and probably only this year) compared to multiple 360 AAA games
I hope even PS3 fanboys see this possible fatal error from Sony. Really. You may dislike me for not being a Sony fan, but this could be the biggest mistake in their strategy. Besides the one that the entry pricepoint level was their biggest mistake.
If the PS3 had started on 399 Euro/Dollar also, only because of its brandname at the time launch last year it would have killed the 360 sales instantly. I am that much seeing reality.
But I guess you pretty much can't probably. Clicking disagree is easy, isn't it? Formulating a descent post and opinion is a lot harder, right? Funny 12 year old kiddies, you could at least try
I don't accept the concept that - whatever Sony does - it's doomed, for that matter. When the price drops to a comparable/competitive figure with the Xbox 360, to £299 or about, the brand name of the PlayStation will be enough to possibly coast it until 2008, regardless of how Microsoft prices its own console.
You are right however that by dropping the price, and with the lack of AAA games, Sony will not recuperate enough financially and they will continue to lose money but equally they will be selling a heck lot more consoles than they are now - and more importantly perhaps, the install base could grow up 2-3million by the end of the year if everything works out for them.
There are still many people here in Europe who are just waiting for Sony to do this. They're not interested in what MS will offer unless Sony does not drop the price.
Cheaper Xbox 360 + AAA games versus Slightly more expensive PS3 + brand name. The sales figures for the both could very well be comparable at the least, if not more, especially in Europe - as we both know its Sony territory in many respects.
What are your thoughts on this simplified form of explanation?
As Meus said, in Europe, everyone is waiting for price drop no matter what MS offers. It's not "will Sony dominate", it's about "when". Bomb will explode soon enough.
Look here if the price drop happens and I suspect it will, I can garantee that it will boost sales of PS3 and with the combination of AAA titles (ala UT3, Haze, Uncharted Drakes Fortune e.t.c),dualshock 3 and Home on the way. Reminder: Pre E3, 60gig Ps3 drops $100 ($499), E3 KZ2 pre pre alfa. What happend afterwards?
answer: I'll leave you to work that one out.
The reason unbiased people disagree with you and won't post why (apart from fanboys) is because there is no point in giving a thought out explanation to your posts..
The reason??? because there is nothing GOOD out of SONY or the PS3 that will make you humble enough to just accept it and move on..
Even if you try and let slide some props about something you quickly hide it with a negative comment. You aren't even a gamer, this sh*t is personal for you.
I really don't know if Ken Kuratagi raped you or the PS3 for that matter, but is useless to try and debate with someone who's agenda is trolling every possible good news for the PS3 and gamers all around.
1st mistake:
Xbox loss last gen, so they rushed with 360 just to get back with PS2 and we all know how that turned out. 360 with 11M shipped doesn't mean there are 11M owners, why? Well, some bought a new 360 cause of RROD and hell some even bought the Elite just to showcase their GFX. A system that costs less and have been out for 2 years should sell more per year but it didn't, except for the Wii.
2nd mistake:
Games should always move forward, not backward like Halo 3 in term of GFX. Hardcore gamers wouldn't care but new comers will, and new comers will determine the units sell at the end.
No, MS can't afford to lose more $ as to some of you said. They already loss too much from last gen and RROD issues. RROD is the biggest problem MS has to overcome, otherwise you 360 owners will never see games like PS3 (exclusives, forget the ported games) or GFX better than Gears of War.
Some people take these VG wars so seriously they should be shot.
His comments piss you Sonyfans off SOOOOO badly,I think some of you
fanboys live in fear and lose sleep over his statements.
Quite hilarious when he states opinions and you take offense as if they're facts.
Well,when MGS and FF go 360,a lot of you will really lose your minds,
and I'll be there to witness the squirming.
Tom.
Well, if Microsoft already can afford to lose insane amounts of money, they might as well offer X360 for free.
What do you think is the reason they don't do that already?
If the PS3 and the 360 were for free, everyone would want a PS3. Its an easy choice to make...unless they are retarded. I still cannot believe people like you hate on sony when its obvious you're being boned by MS. I mean is Halo 3 so significant that you would go through 7 broken 360's just to "finish the fight". If it were me, I would have said "screw this" on the second broken console and dumped MS. I mean hell at least sony fans are not so brainwashed that they refused to start a class action lawsuit against a company, unlike XBOTS.
If Sony fans disagreed with me you're idiots and I'm on your side.
theMART,
You have so many disagrees is because you are arguing against a price drop. But we know the reasons you do this...it's for obvious reasons. FEAR of millions more NEW PS3 owners being able to afford one.
Shudder, shiver... :D
Meus: Europe? It was Sony territory once. That changed. PS3 only sold well @ launch (to fanboys that will pay ANY price) after that sales dropped. The 360 outsold the PS3 in the most important market (UK) within Europe constantly.
And after the introduction of the Elite and the pricedrop, sales have exploded 260%.
Brand name? Not so much important anymore, XBOX brand name has build up to become of importance also. Nintendo was brand name nr. 1 about 10 years ago. Sony entered with the PS1 and what happened? Answer me that simplified question.
Which brings me to
Risk
"would agree with you..BUT, as you have seen before everybody WANTS a playstation, its just that they cant afford one, so with a price drop people are more likely to buy one, its like this, ms said halo3 people bought it (to the tune of $170 million, quality...i wont go there) if sony says PS3 399$ i think people will react very nicely..."
Nope. Not everybody wanted a Playstation before. They bought the cheapest alternative with the largest installed base/most games for that matter.
The mass bought @ 200 Euro/Dollar.
hhhmmmm let me see. The 360 will be the first (not mentioning Wii, that has its own target group with fat mums and sisters and their Wiifit) of these two competitors to reach 200 dollar/euro (or close to it soonish), has the most games, the largest installed base. Those same that bought the PS2 cheap, will buy the first console that is cheap again.
WHich is the 360. Clear? Brandname is only important to real fans. Average gamers buy what is cheap with games and important this gen: best online service
The biggest market for Microsoft in the European territory is the United Kingdom, and although the vast majority of PS3 sales came during the launch period, ChartTracker have said that the actual figures in 2007 between the two consoles in the UK are comparable.
The source of this claim is from ChartTrack, the UK company that monitors the retail sale of music, videos, and software throughout the UK and Ireland, which is the main source of figures for credible and reputable sites such as NextGenBiz and other websites that monitor the industry.
ChartTrack, therefore is credible, often giving hardware and software figures to these sites. They are even recognised by the BBC as the leading analysts of sales in the UK, and they covered the Sony PS3 launch.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/...
The interesting thing is, the person who makes this claim, is Dorian Bloch, the director of ChartTrack. I also tried to get some figures from their website but you need to subscribe and you get a weekly update. Although we have no evidence at hand, the source is credible and I suppose its up to people to decide who they want to believe, this or VGChartz.
I've heard that VGChartz comes close to predicting North American numbers but they're infamous for getting it wrong in other territories. That's just what I heard, I have no opinion on them.
The 260% sales boost, as you and I know, was the figure AFTER the PRICE DROP for the 360. It was only in relation to the week after in comparison to the week before the price drop. So dont get confused between the sales rate of one week with the general sales figures of the fiscal year.
Although it is said that the 360 now is selling better than the PS3, But consider this..
If a £200-£280 console is selling similar to a £425 console, and then it drops in price and starts to sell more, would you really bet it will start outselling the PS3 by a significant amount?
Clearly price is not as big an issue in regards to the performance of the two consoles in the UK as it is globally. The Xbox 360 should be selling a heck lot more with its original price and although its cheaper now, I have to sincerely question by how much exactly is it selling by. If we follow this pattern, your justified in assuming that its not much of a margin.
Therefore I believe that a £299 PlayStation 3 will once again result in sales figures being atleast comparable, sustained by brand name alone if not AAA games currently. But Ratchet & Clank, PES2008 and other great games (multiplatform too) could see people flock to invest in a new PlayStation and leave their PS2.
"Nope. Not everybody wanted a Playstation before. They bought the cheapest alternative with the largest installed base/most games for that matter."
The 20 MOST WANTED: (PS3 top 20 for 50+ weeks). This has been there even BEFORE the $499 price drop. The PS3 has been 1st and 2nd for many weeks running.
http://www.cnet.com/4520-4_...
Sorry, but you lose. The price point has a critical mass. And it comes down to how much cost does it take away from your wallet at a given time. It wont matter how cheap the 360 gets it just means more $$$ to spend on a PS3. Get it? Because once any console gets $199 that means $200-300 to put towards another console; i.e. PS3 (for those that want two consoles). Do you understand? It's getting the console in your hands that matters. The games come in time. It was the burden of $600 that was keeping gamers from make the purchase. This is why some have waited to get a PS3 ten months after it was launched. They wanted to wait for more games and a price drop and why the 360 has been hovering around 10 MIL for months. This means that PS fans are NOT buying 360s.
As far as the price drops effect. We already know what happned when the PS3 dropped to $499 and it still sells well even after Bioshock and Halo 3 release. Here's proof!
The PS3 is back at #6 and climbing...
http://www.amazon.com/gp/be...
Oh, and this is at $499.00!!! Now, how is this possible for a system that has "no games (which is becoming less and less a factor)." So, yes. Go ahead and drop the price of 360. See what happens when it reaches that "cheap" price point (as in cheap product). This is good for Sony fans. And bad for Billy "the Goat" Gates. :D LOL! M$ will be sending the message, our console sucks so bad we're going to sell it for $199 two years in. A $399 PS3 will have even a larger sales increase than the $499 price drop. Watch the sales numbers. You'll see.
Do you really want a price war with Sony given the RROD shoddy construction of the 360? That's risk for MS! LOL!
Price is a big hurdle right now with the ps3 but there is also this format war, games that are lower quality then what can be bought on the cheaper console, and a stable online component is keeping me from getting a ps3.
MEUS, I said this from the beginning and i'll say it again since you agree...the ps3 is ONLY selling because of it's namebrand. Meaning the fanboys are buying it. Let's just pretend you could take away the Sony Ps3 title and take away the Xbox 360 title and just have two identical boxes that look exactly the same but one of them plays ps3 games and the other plays 360 games, who do you think will get the most purchases?
I think those who buy the PS3 just for namebrand currently are doing so because of the games that are coming in 2008. Although if they had the choice, if anyone could, everyone would also be buying a 360 to play games that are on that platform NOW. But they can only choose one hence this is the motive behind the purchasing of the console..
The 360 as a gaming machine is the better value for money without a doubt, even the exclusive games for the PS3 - like Uncharted - one or two games alone would not justify such an expensive purchase, but at the end of the day, what matters is sales and the PS3 will sell well at this price, increasing the install base potentially by a few million by the end of the year.
What does that say about the 360, if its cheaper, better and more games on it, and still some would buy the PS3 just because of the brand name?
I think it's the Xbox 1 perception that fuels a preference for the PlayStation over it. Microsoft have made an impression this generation but still, you'll find millions of people admitting the 360 is the better console now yet reject it for foolish reasons.
Maybe when Sony drops its price you might purchase a PS3 and you can enjoy games on both systems.
But obviously you wont because of your loyalty to M$ and your hatred to Sony...which is sad because you will miss out on some fantastic games this/next year.
I have called 5 wallmarts in my area and thay are all sold out (in one day). I think a price drop will obviously push sales. Sony needs to worry about increasing sales before worrying how MS will respond; and a price drop will do just that.
MART a price drop from MS wouldn't make that much of a difference except for those wanting to trade up to an Elite ..dude..people are waiting for a PS3 price drop because thats what they want . The 360 `s been with us nearly 2 years so their 11.5 million sales (which is bollox UNLESS they tell the truth and include the broken/replacement unit numbers ) is about it . I`m not dissing the 360 ,its a great system ...i just dont like the way MS conduct business . A PS3 price drop would send the number of units sold through the roof ... i know .. you know it ...Microsoft knows it ... i think there is only Sony who does`nt........... or do they .
My guess is Home will release this year.
1) Price drop
2) Rumble (Touchsense?)
3) New SKU 65nm
4) The GetAway (please please... Love the series)
Hey Martie...
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Who else would man the boards 24/7 and defend any MS related content, attack every Sony related content and be able to play the games?
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ull never be loved here ...and that was me who gave u a disagree
PS3 is already taking a pounding right now and if that''s true then I'm thinking PS3 is planning to go out of business. I'm selling my PS3 I'll pick one up when Final Fantasy XIII comes out and it's not on 360.
If those rumors are false, Sony needs to say something and confirm exclusive deals or something but those rumors are hurting them. I would imagine many other people are hesitating to buy a PS3 now, if MGS4 and FFXIII are coming to 360. There is no point. Sony needs to respond pretty fast here.
After DMC4 went multiplatform earlier since then look what ps3 gained
Eternal Sonata away from xbox exclusive
Unreal tournament III as time exclusive
Haze as exclusive
AND LOST NOTHING.
read his comments in neogaf.
Rather than misdirecting people why dont you sell your x360 that has no games.
Bisohock and Gears are both on PC (much better version)
Halo 3 has cartoon graphics. No one wants it.
PS3 has RESISTANCE,MOTORSTORM,NGS,HS,W OWHAWK (best MP GAME),VF 5 ---all within first year
R&C,UNCHARTED,HAZE,UT3, SOCOM CONFRONTATION,GT5 PROLOGUE ---are all due this year
x360 has nothin
Kojima said many times MGS4 would not come to 360. And the FF trailer(new one from TGS) said FOR PS3 ONLY. What more confirmation do you need?
Give it up LIGHTNING. We know you are a stealth troll (xbot in PS3 clothing).
"Kojima said many times MGS4 would not come to 360. And the FF trailer(new one from TGS) said FOR PS3 ONLY. What more confirmation do you need?"
Unfortunately, Kojima is not Konami; he's an employee. The producer of the game isn't going to be able to dictate to his employer what they can and can't do with his work product. Follow Konami closely enough and you'll see the have both a history of going where the money is and a present distaste for Sony's lackluster PS3 sales.
As for the TGS trailer... can anyone here seriously think that's set in stone? It's not even a clear promise; maybe it simply means that "as of right now, for PS3 only," but implicitly subject to change at any time. I think upwards of $50,000,000 (more than the development cost!) could change anyone's mind.
MS won't hesitate to shell out its resources now because it knows building a huge install base will help guarantee its market dominance throughout 2008, 2009 (when it will begin to turn profit), 2010, 2011, and 2012 (even while perhaps coexisting with a new console; see today's PS2). They know buying FF13 and MGS4 will give the average consumer almost no reason whatsoever to buy a PS3. One might say it's underhanded tactics, but these kind of deals do in fact provide the most optimal experiences and variety for MS's consumers.
if its not about GOW 3 or ICO 3, then its not important.....
We didn't quit on PS3, they quit on us. They didn't want to spend the money to keep excusives, they didn't want to spend the money to lower the price when they saw they made a mistake. I don't blame XBOX 360 for that, I blame PS3.
Konami have been paid off for MGS4 (something like "the agreement calls for exclusivity"), Nomura is a PlayStation 3 fanboy but I'm sure Sony would reach deep to keep Final Fantasy if they need to and Epic were paid for timed exclusivity for UTIII because if there's a PC version, it would be easy to get a 360 version.
You all need to learn to stop listening to Sony.
It's good to see some of you gamers put the blame where it belongs.
Sony did Fvck themselves this round.
Can't win every gen I guess.
the words of kojima holds the test of time. MGS4 will never be on 360, and even Phil has said it. tetsuya has stated that the perks of being on only one platform makes all or most of it's visions come true. and he said that about the ps3. so both FFXIII and Versus XIII remain exclusive.
the final fantasy franchise is a world wide phenomenon like MGS. and thats a brand sony's made popular by a great margin. if sony was having an announcement of going out of buisness the earth would shake because soo many share holders are in them.
Sony's buisness isn't just in gaming. it's in entertainment.
TVs, cameras, movies, computers, phones, music and accessories. an industry leader is what they are sixty years in the making and will last for another 6 decades.
this has something to do with a game release or something. the FCC was asked to keep this new sku of PS3 under wraps about what gig config for 45 days. and the first day was september 5. october 12th would make it day 38 just 7 days shy of the 45 day NDA sony asked the FCC to be compliant with and that 45th day would be october 19th. so this should be more about a price cut on the 80 gig or a new game or a new price move in a different region before the NDA lifts for this new SKU. and what ever this price change may be it would do well to stir up consumer awareness of the PS3 and drive some consoles off the shelves.
dont you worry the PS3 wont be the next dreamcast. it's far from it. for a console that still 600 bucks it's sold half of the xbox 360's user base in 9.5 months, with no games according to who you listen to. and nothing compelling. it just tells you that at 600 buck one would expect it to just sit there, but 5.5 mill have it. and it's firts year line up looks much better than it's main percieved competitor. MS.
i wont look into this hype rubbish about october 12th. if anything it'll be something we've heard about and nothing more. we are all expecting a price cut, and a new affordable sku for the console and a new price point. and it's likely to be addressed within the next 3 months something everyone is expecting prior to christmas.
selling your console because of MGS 4 and FFXIII rumors flying about is silly. if you were confident in yur purchase the day you bought it why miss out on games that are coming buy selling your console now. thats retarded.
sony isn't a one game company, not like sega and MS. beyond halo 3 and Mass affect what game will sell like that game after 2007. Gears of war 2 in 2009. by then the ps3 will have GOW 3 and plenty robust first party titles that sell in the ranks of halo and MGS4 and FFXIII. fret not. the rumors will go on as long as xbox fans have breath. they wont die.
Smartest thing I heard all day bubble for you.
I don't understand. Why didn't you wait to pick up a PS3 when MGS4 and FFXIII come out. Are you even playing it, those seem to be your only reason for gaming on it.
Willing to bail so easily? Wouldn't call yourself a fan after comments like that. Price drop? I personally don't think it is warranted for the piece of technology you are getting; however, I realize that that is the world we live in and everyone thinks they should get future technology for a few pennies. I was quite happy paying my measely 600 dollars at launch for my PS3 and have never regretted it. Sure Sony has let some exclusives slide...but for the most part...I think console exclusivity for games is going the way of the dodo bird except for a select few that Sony and MS develop themselves. Sony has never let me down...if anything they have converted me from a MS fan to Sony fan.
Who the hell would agree to you when u have an icon like that. The xbots would.
you never recognize resistance fall of man which even XPLAY GAVE A 5 OUT OF 5. and ign gave it a 9.6. and rachet is normally ALWAYS TRIPPLE AAA TITLES AND UNCHARTED IS TRIPPLE AAA, so that 3. and rachet is a proven franchise along with unreal tournment, and trust unreal will sell to people who want mods and grand turismo is the highest selling game in history. and then people are gonna want to get ps3 for the games coming in early 2008. so your argument makes sense but at the same time, its kind've biased. sony still makes money off of ps2 and is making plenty off the ps3 in japan so thats why i cant agree with you. and sony is defnetely a long term company so they might take a hit but in the long run with the really big hitters, they will gain all that back. (please i would appreciate it if you could respond without a fanboy comment and talk logic to logic)
How did you manage to get youreslf 1 bubble?!
I think it will be a 40gb ps3, but that isnt really a surprise...Anyone read the article about PS3 and FCC
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So no one really takes notice to him to remove his bubbles.
- Home being released despite them delayed 7%
- New IP - 50%
- New Sku 78%
- XMB in Game and other features 84%
- Nothing special at all 99%
If this rumor is true than there will be a 399PS3 by mid october.
Ya I guess that's true.
Odds are it is something they are exagerating to be big news. Although I don't know there could be a surprise there somewhere.
Here is what I believe it may contain:
-Price drop of 80 GB SKU
-40 GB SKU date and launch
-Dualshock 3 date
-That SOCOM game. Remember it was announced that it would be released on PSN or something like a multiplayer only game or something sometime in 2007 with nothing new since then.
-A surprise IP maybe new maybe old name, but new to PS3. Twisted Metal?
I think it is a announcement of firmware 2.00
Price drop or some big update ....or Home.....rotfl nvm Home