GameRevolver.com reports on the latest Halo 3 controversies, and marks the beginning of the end for the console.
well...if attention is what they were looking for, then attention is just what they will receive with this article. Personally I will remain silent regarding all comments on this subject. I kinda like my bubbles the way they are. No need to have some rabid Fanboy got ape Sh!@ on me for airing out my opinion.
I will neither confirm nor deny any all remarks made in this article.
not making your thoughts known ads more controversy to what your thoughts are. Mind boggling isn't it?
The article is sure to start up some controversy, but the thing is that the author has a good point. The 360 will continue to have a few good games... but it seems as if its peak was reached with Gears! Nothing on the system has stood out significantly graphically since then except for Bioshock... and even that is moreso b/c of the outstanding art direction.
Not to upset the fanboys... I still think there will be good games to be excited about. But the system definitely won't come out on top graphically. Mass Effect is my 2nd most anticipated title of the year... and even its graphics look a little dated already. Nice colors & stuff, but the models & environments are somewhat bland next to games like Heavenly Sword, R&C, Uncharted, or even Bioshock.
I don't think he meant to imply that the system now sucks... Just with the release of Halo 3, there's not much left to look forward to. And he's right.
So far theres about 90 fanboyish comments on this 1 news post. Some of them probably didnt even read the post.
What this guy is saying is the 360 has reached its max graphically, but that doesnt mean there wont be any good games coming. Gameplay wise there just might be a couple of juggernauts comin. The PS3 graphics will grow as will the Gameplay. The Wii on the other hand will probably reach its point in graphics with Super Mario Galaxies.So I wont be seen as a fanboy of sony,Ms, or Nintendo ill post why i got all 3 consoles
360= Mass Effect not Halo 3 (good concept+i dont need online to play this game)
PS3= HS, Warhawk, Uncharted, and MGS4 (free online)
Wii= Smash Bros Brawl (one game,3 controllers,250 price tag)
Dont reply talking about games that have only showed CG as of yet or havent even been confirmed ie. FFXIII,Alan Wake, God of War 3,and Gears of War 2
@ whoever disagreed with
at least explain why you disagreed(a good reason)
if your just that much of a fanboy that you cant fess up to your actions thats pitiful doesnt matter what side you're on (MS,SONY,Nintendo) because console wise im neutral
...people are scared sh*tless just to make a comment but guess what! All the fanboys ruined every discussion about video gaming there ever was. This was never about the essence of video gaming it´s about who has the longest d*ck.
It´s also funny that people start of saying they own multiple consoles, then bash one of them in favor of the other and at the same time rob credibility of people who actually own more than one console. If you come out saying you got both PS3 and 360 (even if you do) then fanboys made it so it does not mean sh*t.
" If Microsoft themselves can not surpass the technology of games like Bioshock or Heavenly Sword on their own console, with a completely in house development, that has been in the works for well over 3 years, how can one expect to see an increase in quality in games to come?"
1. Not every game is about having the best graphics/top the last king
2. There are more devs then Bungie
3. We've seen Gears of War, the best graphics that hit any console
4. We'll see Gears of War 2 for sure Christmas 2008
5. Has the writer of this article seen Mass Effect at all?
Really. Nice article to get some attention for the website, but it's written poorly.
Good job Mart,
I was going to point out the Mass effect thing as well. I find it funny we buy from an industry where every journalist complains that more games need to have game play over graphics and the one time a DEV does this they get criticized for it. This guy just wants attention and that is it. I personally don't believe in the whole "winning the console war" thing but as for any of the 3 systems dying off is bullsh!t. They will be here for awhile.
Second quarter of 2009...But GEARS of WAR 2 will be the best that the Xbox 360 can muster in 2009...
"#4 We'll see Gears of War 2 FOR SURE Christmas 2008"
LOL! Have you told this to Mark Rein yet?
Actually the article made some pretty valid points and was well written. Whether or not you agree with them is up to your own fanboyism... but as a 360 owner, I think they hit it on the money.
As I said above, the problem is that the system is about to go on its 3rd year and still has not produced anything that looks better than Gears. Meanwhile the PS3 has produced a couple of games on the same level within its first year out!!! Hell, Heavenly Sword surpasses Gears in quite a few areas actually. AND the PS3 gets UT3 in Nov which the devs themselves have said out do Gears in both performance AND graphics.
And eventhough UT3 looks better than Gears... MGS4 is the best looking videogame I've ever seen period! Heck, even Adam Sessler said the same thing. You see Haze, Uncharted, and Killzone 2... and the PS3 is really starting to crank out the best looking games I've ever seen.
BUT... the author is still only addressing graphics. Unlike last gen, the 360 will still have several games to come that possess great gameplay in my opinion. And if we get more games like Bioshock & Mass Effect... I'll be okay with not having the best graphics. Hell, I have both systems anyway ;-)
You obviously don't know much... b/c I do indeed have both systems. And the things you are SO impressed with just make it obvious that you have NOT played on a PS3. Only want me to name one game? I'll give you two: Resistance (a launch game!) and Warhawk. The truth is that the only thing that Halo 3 did do better than Resistance was online & vehicles (and the record feature is cool too). But even then it's a shame that the maps are limited to 16 players & the game still suffers lag... both Resistance & Warhawk offer 32 or more players AND no lag. I'm not saying ppl should not like Halo. But if you're going to honestly try to act like the game does not have some serious limitations... you're a moron. AND LOL @ YOU OBVIOUSLY NOT KNOWING WHAT THE HELL PRERENDERED MEANS... not that Halo 3's gfx are BAD, but they rarely amaze. Once again, this is just b/c we have seen plenty of other games w/ gfx just as good or better, not b/c Halo's gfx are bad.
haha these fake post mak eme laugh or wrong post any way halo 3 is amazing tell me 1 game that does not render any scene and has ppl fighting 200meters in the out door areas everything in halo 3 is preredered no gaME on the ps3 ha done this yet u cant expext gears of war in a massaive scale gasme like halo 3 and TO ABOVE AKA HAZEBLAZE GIVE UP U DONT HAVE A 360 WE KNOW
and you don't have a PS3,your point? you mean someone cannot be a critic of the 360,hmm ok.
Look at this trailer. I don't think Mass Effect looks that great. The environments look spartan and sterile. I said it once and I'll say it again.......HOW COME THERE IS A ***ONLY*** MAXIMUM OF 3 ENEMIES ON SCREEN AT ONCE?!? Weak, very weak.
Strip away the overly dramatic music from this trailer and what you're left with is a 'Meh' game, IMO.
LOL...Seriously....Games haven't been pre-rendered since the old Resident Evil games. If X360 has to use pre-rendered screens for Halo, then that would mean it's a weak system. So obviously Halo didn't pre-render anything.
@mesh......your an idiot. Prerendered? Do you know what that means? If Halo is prerendered, then for it being prerendered..it looks like s***...
from the fact that people are starting to say halo3 is ms's last good game for the 360 then It might just happen , but i doubt it.
I want you guys to remember these words: Ms is gonna label mass effect as the new halo, or the next big thig in order to make some hype for it.
after that, they'll hype up lost odyessy, and that's possibly it.
after that too human.
but what microsoft knows is that they might have themselves in a big hole in 2008, the ps3 has mgs4,ff13,ff versus13, lbp, killzone2, and from the looks of it they're making alot of deals to make some ps3 mmos and new shooters.
that's why they're trying to get mgs4 and ff13.
Six Hundred Dollars.
Edit: I am desperate...I want the PS3 to be a success. I want it to be a strong competitor to the 360. I won't buy a PS3 any time soon because most of the games aren't my thing but I certainly want the PS3 around to keep Microsoft's fat ass worried and innovating. A strong PS3 and 360 benefits ALL gamers, screw the fanboys. They all live with their parents anyway.
You seem a little desperate... everyone here knows that the ps3 is only $500 and that it will likely by $400 by the holiday. And considering that this article (and the note your responded to) are both looking more at 2008 and beyond... the PS3 will be at a mass market price by then ($300 or less).
So your comment really doesn't make any sense on any level.
Is that all you've got Cap'n? 600 dollars for a well built console is worth it my friend. Have you compared prices when you factor in what you get with each?
Let's start with a premium 360:
349 - the system
100 - wireless
180 - hddvd drive
50/yr - online service
XBOX - 679 for the complete experience with hddvd - 500 without
I'm not going to list out everything for the PS3, but you get all that crap up there for 600.
Actually $679 for the "complete experience" isn't quite true either being that the hd-dvd drive can't be used for playing games.
No thought to Too Human, Halo Wars, Mass Effect, Alan Wake, Fable 2, Lost Odyssey, GTA IV, Age of Conan, Ninja Gaiden 2, Gears of War 2 and Resident Evil 5 among many many others. No, the 360 will be just fine at least until 2009.
"Bottom line, the 360 is not on its last leg, but it has matured in terms of gaming power and prowess. Let us all be thankful to the many marvels it has given us in the gaming world and hope that they can still make some awesome titles. "
the point of the article was that the graphics are not going to progress any further on the 360... but gameplay > graphics as halo 3 just proved based on sales.
I'm not sure how they can say the 360 is going to have no good new games, as I'm sure they will, but you won't continually to be impressed by the graphics of each next generation of games on the 360. I'm not saying I agree with this guy, but thats what his point is.
Jesus, inflamatory title much for the article?
Nice quote. But it sounds as if you're not a developer. To quote just above the paragraph you used:
"Every developer interview that has mentioned the PS3 at all has stated that they have come no where close to its full potential. It is harder to develop for as they have become adapted to the 360 as the base of their work, and port from there, but now, developers are beginning to look at the PS3 as their foreground, with the 360 as the port."
Really? How about some references showing ALL who have said that the 360 has capped its potential, since YOU posted it at GR. I follow the gaming press closely, as most of the folks here and don't remember these-- so I'm calling you OUT to post these. If you've got the ammo to back it up, it will give you credibility. If not, then its nothing more than any ranting posted on anyone else's blog to try and get some traction with a crap story.
Bioshock JUST came out, as did Halo. I submit not every game has to be a notch up from the most recent, and can give up some to the gameplay factor. Sony would love the public to get the perception that the 360 is dying, but until industry news is reporting quotes from heads of development teams (a little more credibility than some schmuck coding for peanuts, who mentions it to some guy for a no-name blog) stating this, I'm afraid there ain't a whole lot of proof there.
As far as your comments about the PS3 not being fully utilized yet, and even more powerful, I'll stipulate that it is for some applications (Folding, etc.), but gaming use is yet to be proven (though may be one day---proof from dev comments?) You're reaching with the 360 being on the downward trend (again, post some proof and it'll go farther).
Also, as far as M$'s missteps with every issue so far (RRoD, scratched disks, customer support--which does suck), they're guilty as charged-- definitely need some cleaning up, especially in the PR department.
Edit: Please realize: I'm not calling you a fanboy, but the key to your article is developer sentiment toward the 360 coupled with perceived max capability on the console. Some serious support would enlighten a lot of folks, myself included, rather than non-developer opinion (the internet is full of that already).
I await your response, because it will be very telling if there is solid evidence of developers stating this--evidence from actual developers on both systems, not some guy from a PS3 team promoting their own project with "I don't think this could be done on the 360". --Unbiased evidence-- Your response? gCM
themart, the developers of gears 2 said they were gonna make a game folowing the gears storyline on the ps3.
yeah mass effect and too human will be big hits, but probably because ms will hype them up.
ms hypes up games in a way that if they're just good, their hype makes it seem like the games are the second coming, while sony just does'nt hype any games at all.
yeah i know about killzone 2, but other than that do we know anything about eye of judgement?or drake's fortune? or foklore? or ratchet and clank which has always been a sucessful franchise?
I believe MS owns the right to Gears of War.
Show me where the gears developers said that. I've read that MS owns the rights for the next 2 gears games.
Remember the days of good ol' days of MGS2 which is, in my view, the most hyped game of all time. The hype, ofcourse, had a positive outcome as MGS rocked but it was still incredibly hyped. The same will happen with MGS4.
Ill admit the graphics don't look like Gears or War or Killzone2 and i'm glad. 100% Glad. As a gamer i don't want all games to look dark and colorless. I like different art styles. Halo3 is one of the best. I personally believe the graphics are amazing. While playing the campaign you see levels that have so much detail. The lighting is great. The reflective metals don't look fake. I'll agree there are some levels that look ahhh lack of detail because they are made that way. It's all about what you like.
People are comparing it to Gears of war, Bioshock, Killzone2. Well i don't want all my games to be dark, colorless (even though bioshock has color) and small rooms. Halo3 had Nice big levels nice lighting lots and lots of enemies at once. I'm not saying halo3 is better then Killzone or GOW. Just different i like halo3 i am equally impressed with Killzone2 and can't wait for GOW2.
I'm my opinion if they made Halo3's art style look like Gears or Killzone I would be very disappointed considering how 1 and 2 looked.
I somewhat see you're point but what really do you expect them to change without changing the core theme of the game? They added alot HDR nice water and so on. Also what framerate issues? and clipping? i've played through the campaign like 3 times now and haven't noticed one part with clipping or framerate issues? Any level you are having this issue or mode? i would like to know to experience it my self.
Please let me know what level or area have framrate issues.
it is the fact that it was to be the most gorgeous game ever with colorful, vivid images and such. It still looks good, but it looks Halo 2 good, it is, in fact, what Halo 2 would be in HD. The engine appears to be the same alas having false advertising that game had been built for the 360. The real problem I found was the slowdowns in frame rates and the clipping. This is inexcusable. The game is great, in MS will have more great games to come. The point is that what is out now, is as good as it gets.
But the game does not look as good as uncharted drakes fortune with lots of color and animation
you cant just make a comparison soley on killzone 2 or GeOW
And we have only seen one level of killzone2 other levels will be different
Let me ask you though? How many enemies does uncharted drakes fortune have on screen at once? Are the levels are big as halo? Really smart AI?
I honestly don't know anything about uncharted drakes fortune so i'm not trash talking it i'm asking does it? There is more to gaming then graphics.
Please don't think i'm saying halo3 is better then any other game just trying to show some valid points.
Im not you have your opinion and im cool with that
but since HALO was the showcase for the xbox in terms of graphics im a little disappointed because im a really big shenmue and jet grind radio fan and if these two games were to ever make comeback especially SHENMUE they would most likely be the xbox360 and wanted to see if the console has graphical power to show these game in true next gen fashion
But we still have Gears and maybe we are jumping the gun a little bit to say that xbox360 is maxed out
Developers could always use multiple discs
sorry about that man it is one of greatest games of all time you missed a big classic on the scale of ocarina of time and Final fantasy 7
Have you seen screenshots for Naruto on 360? I think Jet Set Radio will be just fine graphically on the 360. Not sure about Shinmue, don't know that much about it, wanted to play it on the Dreamcast but never got around to it.
PS trolls keep forgetting that their beloved PS2 was the worse in terms of power and it still won last generetion.
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This is a perfect example of what a desperate website would do to get hits.
Lame, Lame, Lame...
Look at Mass Effect, why couldnt a Shenmue games look as goos as that?
ITACHI PLZ dont get over ue brain uncharted does not look better than halo 100% 2nd in uncharted do u have massive explosions filled with sucj vivid colors ? can u enter every single vehicle that enemys or ur troopps have ?in uncharted is there any loading as in halo every lvl is prerendered meanning u can be in 1 sevction and all enemys are rendered 100milles away doing what the doo brutes ordering grunts banshhe flying dude u havwe no clue halo loks awsome only thing it does not have any alias
I get your point... and although I was actually dissapointed by Halo 3 graphically, the devs did deliver on a familiar gaming experience. Maybe they just didn't want to stray too far from what they new??? And despite the game feeling like Halo 2 HD... it is still fun to play.
Nonetheless, Resistance, a first gen PS3 title, also had wide open vistas with perhaps even more enemies & action onscreen and absolutely NO stuttering framerate. Heavenly Sword looks better graphically and has huge vistas, draw distance, & DOZENS (to hundreds) of enemies onscreen at once! Lol, with admittedly lesser AI than those Masterchief faces off against though (although the AI in R:FOM was just as top notch).
The point is that we are already seeing limitations on the 360 hardware, that is all. And it doesn't mean anything more than that. Hell, we saw LOTS of limitations on the PS2 hardware & that is still the favorite console of many. The thing is that Sony still has A LOT more secret weapons tucked away... and I'm not even sure I'll be buying many 360 games next year at all. Outside of NG2 & any future installments of Mass Effect and Gears... I'm not sure what I have worth being excited about (though I'm sure there HAS to still be some decent exclusives coming... I hope).
Gears of War, Mass Effect and Too Human. Which I believe all 3 segment will appear on the Xbox360.
Now has the fact that Sony does not hype their titles: that is a lie. Every company does. Exemple: Lair, heavenly Sword, gears and mass Effect. Showing the sheer ammount of what the console is capable of showing. Which to all, look absolutely gorgeous.
Now to say that the 360 has lost his legs, is somewhat too premature. i guess it comes from the other two console coming a year later. Of course it will look newer for PS3 and Wii, because it came later. Now all 3 studios are not running around wandering what they will be planning on 2008 right now. I've work on some titles, and things take time, but in all, they come out when they have to.
If anyone thinks that MS is just going to rollover and die in 2008, then you all have big surprise coming, there are a few surprises, big ones just around the corner, surprises that only bill gates money can buy....
I don't blame him though it's business....
AND TRUE games are more than just graphics, heavenly sword which I am still playing (not as short as people said) will be forgotten in 1yr while halo 3 will be be going strong online....and still being purchased.
a quarter of the disc is used for character models and animation the rest is used up on A.I, music etc and if your using a 7gb DL-DVD thats only 2gbs
If you want a great looking game its gonna be short like Gears but if you wanna long game then the graphics are gonna take a hit like blue dragon
Is Halo 3's campaign significantly longer than that or Gears of War? From what I've heard - not having played through Halo 3 yet - it sounds like they are pretty similar in terms of length.
didn't know it was that short my bro hasn't picked it up yet be had finished gears and he told me it was really short
Everybody look at POWEROFGREEN being such a baby its almost sad get a grip dude telling people to leave and crying like a baby get a grip fool
Its about that same as Gears and just as fun
mass effect doesn't seem to be talking much of a hit and how many cities does PGR4 have all with extremely high levels of detail almost photo realistic now imagine just one of those citys been used as a setting for a game like GTA and how much room you would have left on the disk for gameplay
If Halo 3 didnt kill the PS3, it sure as sh*t isnt going to kill it's home console...
the 360 is not on its last legs it has just reached its true potential in under two years. You wont see any game look better then Gears or Bio Shock on a 360. You should be alright with that thou for atleast 2 more years...its not like you wont have great games next year its just that you wont have games that raise the bar like Gears of War did and in the way HS and Bio Shock have.
Atleast you can say you played Halo3 and that it sold the most copies in one day ever! Be happy with that and move on...
Just stop it bro I know this makes you feel better about your purchase but you're spewing nonsense. So far I'm thinking Alan Wake will take the lead from Mass Effect in the leading graphical might catagory you should read up on Alan Wake you'll be suprized how advanced it is.
Those PS3 games you mentioned are not as advanced as Halo 3 nor do they have to spread processing power over scores of AI's in vehicles and on foot I doubt they have the same size battle fields.
You should leave.
But halo is a step backwards in comparison with gears of war
I don't think thexbox360 console is spent and finished
But i do believe the next step is only is using multiple discs to to keep the balance between great graphics and a long gameplay
@ powerOfGreen why you turning into a insecure mess use your brain and eyes and stop being so retardedly ignorant
halo 3 look like halo 2 in HD..played it at my friend house and he also agreed with me...the 360 just maxed its power..
it doesnt matter what you think and it doesnt matter what you read. When the game hits the shelfs then all you reading and thinking will come full cirlce because then you will have the hard facts in your face.
Its like me saying KZ2 is going to be the best looking game ever because i read it! I also read Jesus healed the blind and fed 100's of ppl with a few loafs of bread and a few fish, doesnt mean its true!
"Those PS3 games you mentioned are not as advanced as Halo 3 nor do they have to spread processing power over scores of AI's in vehicles and on foot I doubt they have the same size battle fields."
Heavenly Sword begs to differ.
have any of you guys been reading gaming news the past month? tons of different websites, articles, and anylists have been saying this for weeks. its obviose microsoft's reign is coming to a slow end, but the end is coming, and if you cant see that then your a big fanboy fool.
How has MS time come to an end? As an owner of all 3 next gen. consoles I would have to tell you that the one system that has dust on it is my PS3. Why you ask, simple NO GAMES. Sure HS looks good but plays like sh!t and what about Warhawk which was in development for 4 years and came out like crap. I like my PS3 but I,ll probably trade it in for more 360 games.
Its over Microsoft launched their biggest game but end up screwing it up..and they are not makin any profits at all..The graphics seem dull on the 360.we wont see any great lookin games from it..Microsoft better enjoy where they at right now because sony coming for them
What I been reading is the PS3 was never as powerful in the first place so what does that say about the PS3?.
"360 is dead/dying"
"PS3 is dead/dying"
How many times have we seen articles like this on this site?
Wake me when poorly-written flame-bait like this is no longer approved as "news" on this site.
Wow. That article is even stupider than some of the fanboy posts here! Makes no sense what-so-ever.
PGR4 and Ace Combat 6 are right around the corner. Not like the 360 is going to fold up shop and go home now that Halo is out. There will be thousands of extra 360 owners to buy those games because of Halo 3.
is only a timed exclusive. mass effect might be ok although imo it seems like ALOT of talking. too human truly looks freakin guy..............SERIOUSLY. (PEOPLE GO LOOK AT GAMEPLAY OF IT) HALO is probably one of my favorite games though. i love the art and the maps. it would be ignorant for me to say its the best fps ever because i dont know alot of pc shooters. but it is good. but yea, microsoft has a nac for bringing out things that need twiking but of course people will still buy it
its official XBOX 360 DEAD!!!!! and HALO 3 killed it... sad but true....
A game sells more than 2 million copies in 24hours and thats a bad thing? WOW
If you have played the two games you will know that warhawks graphics are smooth and awesome...and its native 720p unlike halo 3.
Online it will do 32 players...vs 16 players for Halo 3.
There is no lag in warhawk.
I haven't played Halo 3 on my HDTV at home yet, but it's true that Warhawk is a very very pretty game.
War hawk is only good for flying and dog fights. The ground battles are lame. If you can't fly the planes than you're pretty much screwed.
Open door invitations for Anti-Microsoft/360 to tee off on M$. No big deal though, there are also the same type of stupid articles for the PS3. Haha, this whole thing my be a sneaky ploy by wii fanboys to keep PS3 and 360 fans fighting while the steal all the bread crumbs..(humor)
Edit: Also the guy in the article says that halo's campaign is short and overall compares the game to heavenly sword. Although HS is beautiful (You can't deny that, at least I won't) It is shorter than halo.
@steriotyp - Graphics is the only thing that a console can top out at. Gameplay and innovation are all developer and manufacturer driven. Look at the innovation and game play on ectochrome, graphics is a non issue there. So really, I feel that you're just splurting out a bunch of non-sense. The sad thing about it is that you're not open to the opinions of others unless it matches your own. I'm done with it.
It is simply stating that the 360 has very little room to run now. They still have strong lineup of games to come, but they will not surpass in technology. Fun factor is another story. the NES can still put out some really fun games, but this is a new generation. Gamers, casual and hardcore alike want to see new innovation, astonishing graphics and most of all, great gameplay. The fact is, the 360 is declining, slowly but surely.
The article is comparing to Bioshock and HS graphically, not length. HS will give about 6-8 hours, where Halo will give 10 - 12, unless you coop, then you are down to 4-5
Halo doesnt even do 8vs8 and when it has that many ppl it freezes or boots you out. I played hours of Halo3 yesterday and we waited a long time to find a game. Kinda like Warhawk when it first launched..And when we got in a game it was boring...Warhawk has never felt boring to me and im around 50 hours in ranked rooms!
Warhawk blows this game out of the water when it comes to online war and online fun. I even think it looks better then Halo and plays a ton faster!
For ppl to say Halo is losing money thou is crazy!
im a playstation fan ill admit that. but to call the 360 dying is really stupid - there are good/great games coming out for it in the near future, and most probably in the distant future. 360 fanboys say that the ps3 is dying, when the truth is far from it. im not going to resort to petty feuding by saying the 360 is dying. there are more developers than bungie. there are more franchises than halo. so lets not kid ourselves please. competition is healthy, lets not take it to another level.
look at all the hottest news for the past week...I'm talking over 1000 degrees...look how far ahead in degrees it is on the hottest games list...without Halo 3, there would be nothing to talk about, nothing to point your fingers at and say "that's the bad guy"...Halo 3 owns...I can't wait till we are talking about, dissecting, some idiot showing the ending as a spoiler on youtube and N4G, writing numerous comments, midnight launches, seeing the media go bananas over ONE PS3 game...maybe FFXIII...but we all might be 2 years older...and wiser I hope...and I'll say it once, and again...if Alan Wake comes out the month of MGS4 in the US, Alan Wake will outsell