Gaming is, and always will be about games. Though Microsoft's Senior Producer, Kevin Unangst, has had a lot to say about Microsoft's offering in 2011, Their current position is one that....
...and if you take a look at current gaming trends, the money is with easy to produce casual titles. Nintendo's doing it, and while they've been criticized for ignoring their hardcore market they're rolling in the dough. Even Sony's guilty of it, however they've got a handful of hardcore-developers working on franchise titles and "adding" Move support, rather than only building casual-friendly Move titles (ie. what MS is doing with Kinect).
so is any company
A company wanting money? Get the hell out of here...
True what you say but I feel Sony actually care about hardcore gamers. To me Sony, as a company, do want your money but they employ game developers and people to run the game division that care about giving us quality games. MS on the other hand just aim for where the money is, FPS's and casual games, and shove them into your face. And have Greenburg who just constantly brags about sales and how much better they think they are than sony. That guys attitude sums up the company very good.
but will the 360 gain the customer base the wii has, I'm hopping so but its not looking like it is. Kinect's doing good, but the thrill of motion game is dying somewhat. just look at the falling wii sales
Market sateration i think that most people have like 2 wiis.
yes they have sold more than 12 billion wii's worldwide
"falling wii sales" Thats because everyone and their grandma already has one. lol
@siyrobbo Dont know but most people means over 50% or so.
I don't think the Wii market is completely saturated yet. The PS2 has sold over 150 million consoles, I think the Wii is around 86-87. Yes, I realize many of the PS2 sales may have been to replace broken ones, but I doubt that more there are more than 50 million replacement consoles out there. I think the Wii, at least based on what the PS2 did, has no excuse to slow down anytime soon. The differences however are obvious, the PS2 catered to both hardcore and casual gamers. I don't envision the Wii have the same legs simply due to the lack of third party support and since once the next Nintendo console is released, any support for the Wii will be dropped overnight. That said, the Wii has all but won this generation. PS3 may eventually pass it, but only once this gen is over and most people have moved on to new tech. Sony will obviously continue to support the PS3, which will help it perhaps catch or surpass the Wii, but by then it won't really matter much outside of there being a celebratory press release by Sony promoting that the PS3 beat a dead system.
Disagree, PS still selling strong. after all these years, so I'd Expect the Wii, should still be going strong also. unfortunately I think people are over the gimmick of motion controls
the market leader is Nintendo
@Baked: You know, for years I've always wondered if your name is a hint to being high. Lol. Just messin' with ya man. On topic though, I do agree with you. But I mean, it's because you've pretty much just stated what has been happening. It's not a stretch at all. All companies care for the $$ but some companies will actually work hard to earn it through supporting their fans and userbase. Who here thinks MS does that?
MS been losing leadership for years the only reason they still on top is that massive headstart.
wonder what would have happened if sony released ps3 when 360 came out (prolly wouldnt have had the time to implement bluray) or if 360 released when ps3 released and had an extra year to do something with developement i really wonder who benefited from that headstart
I'm really hoping for some late exclusive to hit this holiday, Gears is not enough for me. Though i will be play that as well. I guess I will get a PS3 to tied me over, until Gears.
All I see is a lot of spelling mistakes and grammatical errors.
what errors? I guess everyone needs some type of comeback.
@BobbyMcCOOL gameing - gaming... "and the now inclusion" - should be "and now the inclusion" it's self - itself.. Microsoft was hopping for - hopping or hoping? "while Sony has consistently close the gap"- should be closed not close "shifted their focus to selling to the causal market" - causal market or casual market? "hardcore gamers are feeling abandon by Microsoft" - should be abandoned "The PS3 is becoming with the 360 use to be" - the word "with" should be "what" "Only time and sales will tale the true tale" - tale or tell? Do I get paid for this?
ofcourse, because this blog-site is owned and operated by one of the many n4g dwellers!! not only that, this blog was wrote especially for n4g, just to leech hits and continue the on-going nerd-war!! I am going to give this site a hit and see just what crap they blog about
Casual Gamers don't buy enough games. If the 360 could reach Wii numbers that would be awesome for them but I don't believe kinect's enough to pull them that far. sony has combined casual and hardcore support for move its a good balance I think. Microsoft is yet to add hardcore support for kinect it's still for woman. I'd love to see a fps support Kinect. Hard Gamers sustain the market, casual gamers push it ahead, without the hardcore sales fall off. look at the Wii it's in a huge slump.
360 was my main gaming console until they went down the Kinect road. Then as time went by I just cared less and less about the console as I saw less and less exclusives coming out. I think they sold out gamers to be honest. Throwing us a new Gears of war in September isn't really going to make up for the lack of games 360 owners are facing. Millions don't want Kinect, get that through your heads.
I am a core gamer and for my kind of games, I don't want Kinect unless it is really useful. My family is a different story; they now get involved in gaming with Kinectimals, Zumba, Dance Revolution etc My wife now has gaming nights with her friends...who would have thought?
But be honest. That isn't a gaming night. It's a club night without the drunken one night stand possibilities.
I am not foolish enough to think that any major corporation is not out to make more money, but I think Microsoft MIGHT be learning that to make the most money, you have to keep your community happy. As a xbox 360 owner at launch time (then sold after not liking being nickeled and dimed for everything) and again with the slim model, I think they are learning. Besides ion rechargeable batteries built-in, the slim model is a value added console, that I really enjoy.
The point is, not who *wants* to make money (because you're right, everyone does), but who wants to make money and sell out their main fanbase? (in the 360's case, their hardcores)
I agree, they could have kept one or two of those studios they closed for exclusives. I don't thing Kinect gamers are going to paying 60 dollars a year to play Xbox live. It's the hardcore who support them, the should show some support back.
@BakedGoods I absolutely dislike that they got rid of the first party talent for the steady stream of exclusives like my ps3, recently ylod =( btw, but I disagree that they have abandoned the hardcore. Besides Sony's first party studios, the market itself is dry on hardcore games and I blame this on some risks that we did not support enough (Mirror's Edge, DJ Hero etc), the mobile phone market is said to already make more profit than all of Sony, MS, and Nintendo combined and lastly on developers being in the middle of projects (Homefront, GTA V, ME3, DA2, etc). It was the same on the PS2. Some years, we hardcore would get so many titles thrown at us, we would have a hard time keeping track and then others were very dry. Don't be afraid to go back through the catalog to find some gems you might have missed.
There are still plenty of hardcore games to play on the 360. A lot of them aren't made by Microsoft game studios, but there are still a lot out now and still coming. The PS3 may have a more exclusive offering available, but if a person only owns a 360 then they won't be hurting for core games to play unless they are hung up on what company is making them.
The more you post the more you sound like a Microsoft employee. are you secretly their community manager. After reading your last Post I thought I was reading the back of My 360 Kinect bundle. now my wife ect.... fact is they have no exclusive for us and it sucks.
bot fans buy a ps3 and stop waiting for ms to announce a game
360's market leadership? that's the wii's crown right now surely.
MS is putting nails in its coffin for next gen. Good for them Kinect is so popular with the Wii crowd but they shouldn't have completely abandoned their focus on the core user base.
As long as they make a ton of money from the casuals they wont care about the core. You make the most money by creating games for the largest market which seems to be the casuals at the moment.
If word gets round that Kinect is a shelf-sitting dust-collector after about a week or two of fun, fewer people in the mainstream will be willing to put that much money down for a Kinect + 360. (That argument is hypothetical BTW). For the core consumers, that's a different matter... they can decide whether or not shovelware and on-rails/dance games are for them. With barely any compelling original content, and a HUGE focus on Kinect i.e. resource hog, I see the Xbox brand heading down a dark and deeply uninteresting path. It's Microsoft's choice from here. I just can't believe they aren't investing in first-party talent. It's so important within the gaming industry to provide your own content - otherwise what are you doing? You're piggybacking! How are they gonna survive next gen without a decent stream of first party content? They no longer have Bungie under their belt and Epic have ended their Gears contract after its third installment on the 360. Have they learned nothing this gen? If Sony's struggle with the PS3 has proven anything, it's not to underestimate Sony. Their third-party ties should not be downplayed. You can bet that they will be a something of force to be reckoned with, next gen, having learned form their mistakes - A substancially more polished, evolving online network; strong, reliable hardware, allowing for ease of development; stronger marketing; complimentary NGP compatibility etc. I'm really curious to see what Microsoft have planned for their next console, how they deal with the transition from the 360 (if they drop it like it's hot, I will ROFL!!!). Kinect is gonna be a part of their game plan... if they don't offer anything compelling, but carry on focussing on Kinect, I feel sorry for those M$ loyalists who will stick to that company no matter what! $70 XBL Gold fees next gen, anyone? $80 even. Would that be acceptible? Any gamer that is not loyal to Microsoft are the ones having the last laugh... ALWAYS!
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