The next instalment in the hugely popular Dragon Age franchise arrives next month and TGL recently caught up with the game’s producer Fernando Melo to talk about all things Dragon Age II.
EPIC Fail... so... its an 60+10+10+10usd FUll game?
Welcome to the new Bioware.
Is he saying it like its a good thing?. Was on the fence about this one but this seals the deal. No buy.
I still haven't bought DA:O, but now that the ultimate edition is out, I will get that. Looks like I will be doing the same here. Edit: Now that I have read the interview (Stpid for not doing in the first place), he says this: "oh it’s probably comparable to say Mass Effect 2, maybe a little bit bigger than that. " Well, it took me 30+ hours to complete ME2, so I am not really worried anymore.
@evrfighter Just because you don't buy it doesn't mean you should miss out. I mean after Buying DA:) collectors edition and the expansion. Then having to cancel my pre order that was half price ($46aus) on DA2 because of the DRM....and losing my $10 deposit...now if I wanted to buy it I would have to pay the $88 everywhere else is charging. + DLC + DLC + DLC +DLC. I also bought ME2 C.E. They can 'gift' me DA2.
I believe they are trying to tell us "Wait and buy the ultimate edition and save yourself $200 in DLC"
Exactly what I was gonna say. This is getting ridiculous. DLC is a good concept IF and ONLY IF it's made AFER THE GAME IS MADE. I don't want devs. to just "conveniently" leave out certain parts that are then sold later on as dlc. That's bullshit! My opinion is that games are expensive as hell to begin with. No matter what system, the disc should be packed full of content. Leave nothing out. There should be zero empty disc space (whether it's Bluray or DVD). THEN, and ONLY THEN, should DLC be created and sold to the consumer. That way, we're not getting screwed over, as it is in this case with Dragon Age 2. I don't support any devs. that pull this kind of crap. That's why I'm through buying Call of Duty games. You buy a CoD game and then there's two three map packs that are priced at $15 a piece. Before the next CoD game even comes out, you've spent nearly $100 on that first CoD game. It's insane! Rant over. ----------------------------- ---- PSN: blumatt ----------------------------- ----- Wow! lol I got a disagree for being pro-consumer and pro-gamer. I'm saying we as gamers should get our money's worth and not be "nickel and dimed" 'til we're broke. If you disagree with that, then you're crazy! DLC started off as a good concept, but few devs. are using it the right way. DLC should be made after the game is released and should be cheap. CoD map packs should be $5 AT MOST.
It's up to people to decide if what is on the disc is worth the asking price. Forget about what isn't on the disc.
but after playing the demo for 2nd i am def buying for sure its a console rpg no pause make moves and slow down my kind of a game fast paced action based
What the hell is this...? I bet EA made Bioware do that shit...
Yep. T_T Pretty sure on Steam if you wait long enough will have a Deluxe Edition with everything on it for really cheap. Gotta love Steam Deals. :)
The demo sucked and I wont get if the dlc are free. Thats all games do now is make crap, patch patch patch and sell dlc ,dlc ,dlc. Why were games rarely patched and usually worked well years ago? Because there was no harddrives so the games were quality out the door. If the game sucked its because the game sucked. Why do you think nintendo patches nothing. They make their games work. If it sucked its the maker but not it needing a patch or dlc. I have all 3 systems and rarely use the wii , so this isnt a pro wii rant.
Holy crap, what fantasy world did you live in? Back in "the day", when games shipped and weren't able to be patched they simply shipped broken and you sometimes wasted money on games that you couldn't even finish. You learned to rely on game reviewers to tell you when a game was fatally flawed so you didn't waste your time with a game that it turns out would botch a save 10% of the time, or cameras would get stuck in walls, or your character would just disappear for no reason, etc...etc. This age that used to exist where every game shipped out of the door working 100% as it was supposed to is sheer fantasy. It never existed. Games shipped broken all the fricking time and at least now a company can do something about it. And you really believe that Wii games all ship in perfect, working order? Since when? Patches are a good thing. I remember the days when a broken game was a broken game and there was nothing that could be done about it. As for Dragon Age 2, I'd prefer a longer game and less DLC, but that's just me. That being said, Dragon Age's Awakenings DLC I think was the first DLC I purchased and actually played through from beginning to end. I actually liked the story better than Origin's story. And on top of it, they're saying DA 2 is bigger than Mass Effect 2, and that's a good thing. It's not like they're shipping a 4 hour game and then expecting you to shell out for DLC. Looking forward to this game.
@darkride66 I think you'll find that back in the day developers didn't rush console games ou the gate full of bugs because they COULDN'T patch them. I'm sure there were games with bugs but no where near as many as now and definitely not games that don't even work on launch day without a patch. Don't make excuses for greed.
@ "I think you'll find that back in the day developers didn't rush console games ou the gate full of bug" in what timeline did you live ? BACK THEN there were bugs ,lot of them. and sometimes it just broke the game. If you don't even know about that time period , then you weren't gaming at the time.
what a load of jargon. He does say it like its a good thing.
so same price at DAO, shorter and we will have to pay more for the DLC??? Great.
so we have to pay extra for the complete game?count me out i will not let any company milk me for cash
seriously people? He just said that the game will be a little shorter than DAO, to think of it as ME2 in terms of length which in my book is good enough. Plus dont forget how much CGI is in this game compared to DAO was. in addition, he mentions that yes there will be more dlc, but c'mon what game nowadays doesn't have post release dlc. I for one am grateful since not only do I get to experience a great story that comes shipped inside the box, but afterwards I can continue to expand that story through dlc getting to know the characters even more as he mentions that the fans wanted more dlc geared towards the main character and his compainions so that's what im sure bioware will do mostly with the dlc. DLC is infact good in this case as the devs can give us more dragon age instead of a new dragon age al togehter which would mostly have them first creating a whole new engine, characters ect where in this instance the devs only need to focus on creating more story, thus we get more DA quicker in the process than having to wait out for a new sequel. CASE CLOSED
I agree. Mass Effect 2 took me around 30-35 hours to complete firs time through. I'm happy with that length for DA2.
this is what EA does now, that is the issue.
I learned my lesson from DA:O. I spent around $80 on that and didn't even get all the DLC they released or the expansion because I was grabbing stuff day 1. In the past month I could have bought DA:O Ultimate Edition, which is the game, all the DLC, and the expansion, all for $20 on sale. By rushing to play a game I could experience the same at any time I cost myself a ton of value. Why pay $100+ and grab everything instantly when the game is completely single player and I can get a better experience (after patches and playing all the DLC at once) later for 1/4 the price or less? I will be waiting for whatever collection edition they will inevitably cough out later, and then discount next year. It isn't like I have to grab it day 1 to be part of a multiplayer community in this game. It is an encapsulated experience I can enjoy at any time, I'll do so later when I can also enjoy not feeling like I overpaid to get a game piecemeal.
I've finally fallen far enough behind on playing games that I pay $30 max for things I want. My friends all pestered me to get Dragon Age when it came out but now I get to buy it cheaper with a lot more content.
I'll buy whatever dlc they give me. It has been the best rpg this generation. This is one company that can milk me for all the cash they want. i platinumed the last game i'll do the same with this one. I bet ya it longer then killzone 3 campaign.
Ummmm... that was pretty random dude. Please vent your frustration (or whatever) elsewhere.
yea your right that didn't come out right lol...What i'm saying in what looks like less of a rant is i'd buy whatever bioware makes.
No doubt looks good.
This is the end.
"A little longer than ME2". I can live with that. Was ready to come in and rage before I actually read the article, now i'm not too fussed.
ME2 was 30-40 hours. A little longer than that is 35-45 hours. Which is still like 60-70% of the original :/
I thought the first was a bit too long. Could have cut down all the back tracking in Orzamaar a bit.
I know what you mean, but since there's gonna be more DLC that means they clearly want more content in DA2. They could've just waited a bit later to release, but no they must have both DA and ME releases because that's what rakes in the money :/ I guess we'll have to live with it :) Still seems a pretty great game.
funny how hype can lead one to be dissapointed even more
More DLC, just what I wanted to hear. We/Gamers are getting ripped off with the DLC fad. Yeah this game could end up costing us 100 and MvC3 for example, if they do try and get $5 per character ... That game is going to cost $150+ with a roster of characters that go to 56. Sad face.
"DLC content was already on the game’s disc to begin with."& is unlocked for pc for free!! http://techspotlight.net/ne... Hope it's the same with bioware! free dlc is the best thing you can get! I hate ripped out content!! anyone who disagrees is gladly butt raped by devs!:)
Read the article guys. The title is not a quote. Q: How long will the main game take to complete by comparison to Origins? A "It’s a little bit less, I would say. Focus is the biggest thing. With Origins we had some feedback that suggested that it was probably a bit too long; a lot of people didn’t actually finish it." He then goes on to compare it to Mass Effect 2 in size. Read before you start saying they're milking gamers.
Glad I'm not the only one who actually read it. The title sort of puts 2 and 2 together, but nowhere in the interview does he actually say it like that
Time to wait for an ultimate edition. I prefer expansions over DLC. DLC is overpriced in my opinion.
"Dragon Age II Producer: DAII will be shorter than Origins but will get more DLC" in other words: "we're too incompetent to actually finish the game, so we're going to charge people more money just to play what was supposed to be in the final product."
Fuck your shit bioware
some many people not reading the article ... Incredible..
eh the demo for DA2 didn't catch me TO ME the battle system was worse then the first and i dunno how long i would have gone going few steps, wave of enemies, few steps wave of more the same enemies, few steps boss....the story seemed to be interesting but it didn't justify a buy maybe rent but no buy
I'm glad I'm not the only one that thought the same. I loved the first, but the combat system and movement in this demo... it just didn't feel right -- hard to explain and hurts to admit it.
Wow... I'm surprised he let those words slip out of his mouth. Getting so damned sick of having to wait and buy DLC to get a full damned game. At this point I'm just gonna start waiting until a GOTY edition comes out with all DLC included for cheaper. No big deal being a year behind on single player games really.
He didn't. read the damn article.
Wow that title was exteremly misleading. But you can see that the whole company took a more "for the masses" (no pun intended with mass effect) approach to the games design. Nonetheless, this will be my March purchase and Im sure I will get a kick out of it. I doubt it will be my GOTY with Dark Souls, Skyrim, LA Noire, Mass Effect 3, and a few sleepers I have my eye on, but it will be fun nonetheless. You know, I wish more developers took the FromSoftware approach. When asked if they were going to do DLC then said that none has been planned. They want the game to be complete right out of the box. I do hope they piece some DLC together from the stuff they thought was too hard. That would be some serious sheet right there.
Hmmm.. This is bad for me, I loved DAO1, i must have spent over 50 hours on that game, DAMN ADDICTING IT WAS
Ugh. Conflicted now. I want the game on release, but after they just release this bomb of information I feel I should wait...
Bioware the new Activision
Correction: That's EA not Bioware. You realize the publishers make the big decisions all developers can do is make the game. :)
I'm sure Dragon Age 2 will be a great game, and most of those complaining will buy it regardless. However, this really isn't what Bioware fans want to hear...
First I wanted the game because I loved the first one. Then I didn't want the game because it was going to be geared toward consoles. Then I played the demo and thought maybe I wanted the game again. Then I read this and think they don't deserve my business even if only for trying to say more dlc is a good thing.
Read the article.
We all know this was coming. Mass Effect was just a testing ground.
Why is he saying this as if it's a good thing!? This is awful! Will have to see how much shorter. Will probably end up buying the game then pirating the DLC.
Not a good thing.
They have definitely activated the EA play book.
I think EA had a big say in this.
now i am definately gonna wait for the "gold edition" or whatever... this game will be a rush job anyway, dragon age origins is a mere shadow of baldurs gate 2 and neverwinter nights, DA2 will be a 7, 7.5 tops, i can wait, the witcher 2 will be 99 times better anyway
This is garbage, all that DLC should be free. If your going to sell half a game make it half the price. Im so sick of planned DLC that these companies have done when the game comes out and they charge extra for it. I almost wish there was no DLC if it would mean I can get a complete game and just wait longer to get it.
Lol, in that case, I'll just wait for GOTY edition. Got DA:O GOTY lying around here somewhere, waiting to be played anyway.
Wait, wait...how is this a good thing? So you shorten a game, than make us pay to lengthen the game to probably the length it was supposed to be in the first place and we are supposed to be happy? I don't get it, do the really think their consumers are that dumb our has society in general actual became that stupid?
Who comes up with this kind of title? "Dragon Age II Producer: DAII will be shorter than Origins but will get more DLC" The title is not form the web site then who made that up? It is totally misleading. Is the title made up by someone who hates Bioware or DA or what? It is worst thing to do paraphrasing an interview out of context. It is longer than ME2 and it means that at least 30 - 40 hours. It is not a short game!
the gameplay is SOOOOOO bad, the animations are the choppiest i've ever seen and , goodness, its just bad. u guys call ninja gaiden and devilmay cry button mashers and not this???? seriously it doesnt matter how good a story i if the gameplay is this bad. i couldnt stand the firsts gameplay and while this is better the difference in how much better is going frm a jagged sword in your gut to a straight sword. it still kills me to play it whether or not its as painful. *sigh so dissapointed. i will just wait for the witcher 2/skyrim/dark souls
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