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Sony sends german police after a hacker

Gamersmint writes : Sony isn’t gonna take this lightly, they have waged an all out war against the hackers. This time it’s Graf Chokolo who specializes in hardware reversing.

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smurfz2771d ago

I wish Sony would just realize that these people are helping them pretty much find security holes and in some instances coming up with some great new tools that Sony can use in the future.

cyborg2771d ago

but releasing everything to the publich still doesn't make sense. If they wanted to help they should have informed sony internally and they might have even got money and a job out of it. These are criminals in my eyes

Yi-Long2771d ago

... why is it illegal to 'mod' or 'hack' your own console? As long as the guy isn't pirating or uploading pirated software, he's just playing with the console he bought.

You can compare it with modding your car. Yeah, you can put in a better engine that allows you to speed, but should you be busted and arrested for it before you actually break any laws?

I think the comedown by Sony on these guys is a bit harsh. Many people just want to add homebrew for emulators and region-free DVD/BR playback and MKV-playback and such...

Yi-Long2771d ago

... these guys see it as a 'puzzle'. As a 'challenge'.

Criminals tend to be motivated by MONEY. These guys are doing it only for the sheer enjoyment of figuring out how to bypass these securities. It's a hobby. And the results from all the work that they do, they offer for free to the community.

If they are 'criminals', they're 'criminals' like Robin Hood.

tehpees32771d ago

Glad to hear Sony isn't taking it.

Heartnet2771d ago

if Hackers only did this stuff for the challenge and enjoyment there wud be no need to post it all over the internet lol..

Hack it keep it to urself no1 gets hurt, yeh?

GameSpawn2771d ago

@Yi-Long

I freaking hate this damned car analogy. Let me correct this:

Modding your console and hacking the firmware is not akin to modifying your car. You must remember the software on your gaming hardware is being licensed to you to use. YOU DON'T OWN IT.

Hacking firmware with the car analogy is akin to you modifying your driver's license to show that you can drive vehicles you were never originally licensed to drive or creating a entirely fake drivers license when you never had one in the first place.

Well, what the hell happens to a person with a fake/falsified drivers license? The get f'ing locked up!

You own a car? You can do what ever the hell you want to the damn thing, including putting a giant DONG on the front of it. However if you fake the license to drive it, unless you are on private property, your ass is going to jail.

DarkSpawnClone2771d ago

yes Yi-Long your right many people do want to play stolen games with emulators on the ps3,they also want to pirate games and hack multiplayer games you cant really justify it, modding a car is not like modding a console you want to mod things so much then build a PC.i don't think it is harsh at all they knew what they where doing when they attempted to hack the ps3 they knew the risk and they foolishly accepted it end of story,why should these hacker be allowed to "mod" there console and ruin the gaming experience for everyone else who are just playing for fun,we all payed for our ps3s yes we own then but we didn't buy ps3's and games for hackers to mess them up and ruin our games,how is it fair that we(psn users) have to put up with this ?,its Sony job to provide us with a good online experience with psn and they have a right to protect it,there's some games on PC where every match i go into there are hackers every where it's unplayable and i don't want that to happen to consoles.

No FanS Land2771d ago

most of these criminals as you say Yi-Long aren't really like robin hood. They're just gonna let out all the how-to to get free PS3 games.

Jsut like you say, they're motivated in money savings.

ZeroX98762771d ago

people here on N4g tends to side with sony on this matter.

Some gamers bought the PS3 and one of the nice feature in it was to install linux on it. I got Linux on my second ps3 and I love it! it's a great media player and web browser machine for my 50 inch HDTV. it's small, doesn't take place and it's very useful for 300$.

Sony told us that we could play their games while having linux without any problems at launch. Now the feature is removed and even if we stay at 3.15, we can't play the newer games.

It's like saying that I got a cellphone and Verizon would call me to say that the Text Feature has been removed on my cellphone. Not everyone use texting on his cellphone, but some do. If a feature is there, don't go and remove it.

The ps3 wasn't hacked until sony removed the other OS option. Geohot found some little security holes in the other OS feature, but it didn't led to any Upper CFW.

The way I'm seeing it is that a whole corporation and a Big crowd of programmers wasn't able to patch a security hole that one guy alone found out. Now that the console is completly hacked on 3.55, sony comes out with 3.56 and I can tell you that 3.56 IS hard to crack. many hackers told the hacking scene that it would take a lot of time to decrypt the new key, and even then, sony could change a variable to change it all in the next patch.

So sony is acting NOW?!?!?! why not in the first place when other OS was still available?

hackers didn't have a reason to hack the ps3, since small homebrew and media players could be used on linux.

Sony brought this situation themselves in a way. Piss off the community and they'll answer back.

I hope sony is able to patch all those security hole and get all hackers banned from psn, but having access to linux again would be awesome.

Dee_912771d ago

@Yi-Long lol
a modded car wont legally pass emission bro
if your car is too loud you will get fined
if it sit too low to the ground you will get fined. you cut your exhaust your car is considered illegal .. im just stratching the surface
My bro just bought a house
its his house but its illegal for him to build a fence without getting permission from the city 1st
you see where im going ?
you can buy jeans and cut them to make them booty shorts but it would be indecent exposure ;)

ComboBreaker2771d ago (Edited 2771d ago )

and by keeping his words, he released all those tools and knowledge onto the internet.

And by doing that, he just have guarantee that he'll be going to jail for a very very long time.

What an idiot.

Istanbull2771d ago

FInding security holes??? LOL!!!

This jailbreaking started with a STOLEN USB KEY from a Sony dev back in AUGUST!

Without that USB stick, hackers would be at the same place where they were bacck in 2006 when the PS3 launched.

These hackers are so l33t, that they needed a stolen USB stick from a Sony dev LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOL

Kewl_Kat2771d ago

@Yi-Long So hackers are like Robin Hood? 1st, companies like Sony aren't oppressive royalties ruling over people. If companies do start acting like the Sheriff of Nottingham, gamers would simply stop supporting them. 2nd, what exactly are hackers (in regards to Sony's situation) giving back to gamers? Ability to run homebrew and emulators? But at what cost to other gamers and game developers? I'd rather compare hackers like Geohot to the Huns. Sony is trying to run an empire while fucking barbarians constantly attack the gates and walls.

BattleAxe2771d ago

I hope the German police treat this hacker like its 1939.

klado2771d ago (Edited 2771d ago )

@Zerox...

[On January 26, 2010, Hotz released the exploit to the public. It requires the OtherOS function of the machine, and consists of a Linux kernel module and gaining control of the machine's hypervisor via bus glitching.[22] Hotz wrote that "Sony may have difficulty patching the exploit". Hotz had then announced plans of a custom firmware, similar to the custom firmware for the PlayStation Portable, to enable Linux and OtherOS support, while still retaining the features of newer firmwares2, On March 28, 2010, Sony has responded by announcing to release a PlayStation 3 firmware update that removes the OtherOS feature,3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

Nice there are source to keep the history at hand, now THINK again before blaming sony, THANK YOU, and btw, sony remover the emotion engine from the ps3 TO MAKE IT CHEAPER, denial much stating the contrary? blind.

Edit, now you an every fag backing these guy up, nurture your facts.

NateCole2771d ago

@Yi-Long. If the car comes with a software that is copy right protected that you hack then you broke the law.

Modding the physical components of your car will in no way shape or form affect the car manufacture. Thats why when you mod your car and get into an accident because of it the car manufacture is not liable.

Yes it would be nice to have homebrew but PS3 is not an open platform like the PC. Sony never meant for the PS3 to be a completely open platform like the PC. As such people must respect Sony's rights in this instance as their rights well within the law.

Theonik2771d ago

The guy who they attacked though didn't release anything. He has dome so now though as retaliation for Sony's attack.

Mahr2771d ago

"You must remember the software on your gaming hardware is being licensed to you to use. YOU DON'T OWN IT"

Right, and that policy is clearly unreasonable and needs to be changed.

"Hacking firmware with the car analogy is akin to you modifying your driver's license to show that you can drive vehicles you were never originally licensed to drive or creating a entirely fake drivers license when you never had one in the first place."

One does not need a license to drive a car on his own property. If I want, I can draw on my license with sharpy, cut it to pieces, and set those pieces on fire. I can still drive, unlicensed, anywhere I want within the boundaries of my own property.

Likewise, I should be able to run software that I own on hardware that I paid for in the confines of my private residence.

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RedDead2771d ago (Edited 2771d ago )

If there were no hackers in the first place sony wouldn't need the tools. Kill the problem before it becomes a problem so to speak...

gamingdroid2771d ago (Edited 2771d ago )

Easy way to fix this is to reach out to the community and talk to these hackers. Give them a way to tell Sony about the vulnerabilities, allow Sony to patch it up and then give the hacker credit for their work.

All this news just continues to spread instead of being contained.

radphil2771d ago

" Give them a way to tell Sony about the vulnerabilities, allow Sony to patch it up and then give the hacker credit for their work. "

Does it make sense to you for them to do that. Say the government allowed a public tour of Fort Knox an example is a robber that broke into Fort Knox and then revealing the details to the public on the tools he used, and how to do it. Now they should give the robbers credit for hacking into there after doing public damage?

gamingdroid2770d ago

You really have to look at the motivation of both parties:

Sony:
Don't want their business model to be compromised.

Hackers:
Want to enjoy beating the unbeatable and gain some notoriety.

Solution:
Hackers report to Sony, Sony determines how and when that information is released giving credit to hackers. Sony can protect their business by implementing safeguards.

Fact is you can't stop hackers, so instead of fighting them which fans the flames, just join them.

Your analogy doesn't make any sense. People aren't given public tours to Fort Knox and the government is seemingly better at keeping their secret.

Either way, Sony can continue to fight a loosing battle or join them, get Hackers on their side.

MS did it, in a stroke of genius and the tools was removed for WP7. No lawsuit, no nothing!

DarkSpawnClone2771d ago

"I wish Sony would just realize that these people are helping them" LOL!!! not vary bright are you.

Kte2771d ago (Edited 2771d ago )

You have to read...going on about piracy isn't in this situation this is about reversing the system itself for the experience Sony does provide us with good online and stuff and of course thats something that hackers even understand but that is not what they are after..funny thing is cheating in games occurred long before most of this started getting worse..and yes i speak for all COD games lol and even on PC that has nothing to do with Sony thats just something different..I may be wrong but if someone came and took all those precious games away and told you that your done using it then you would be crying to the world right now..Sony feels like they have power and hackers are just trying to prevent that..But then again i am just a gamer what do I know lol..I know that if sony or anyone comes to my house and tries to take what i paid for is not leaving alive.

DarkSpawnClone2771d ago (Edited 2771d ago )

@Kte

LOL

"piracy isn't in this situation"

oh really? i think so that's why most people want these hacks in the first place.

"Sony does provide us with good online and stuff and of course thats something that hackers even understand but that is not what they are after"

umm yeah dude some people are, maybe not this one in particular but there are hackers out there that are.

"funny thing is cheating in games occurred long before most of this started getting worse"

yes every one knows that cheating was in online games before this hack,even me..but that's not what i was talking about lol nice try tho

"even on PC that has nothing to do with Sony thats just something different"

you missed my point.go check out some games on the pc try combat arms and hmm cross fire,and you can see for your self how ruined those games are with hacks and "script noobs".my point was i don't want this to happen on consoles(PS3)

"I may be wrong but if someone came and took all those precious games away and told you that your done using it then you would be crying to the world right now..Sony feels like they have power and hackers are just trying to prevent that."

uhh ? what dude I'm not hacking at all why would they take my games away ?..you make it sound like hackers are hero's to the gaming industry when there a plague of scum bags ruining this for others if hackers didn't find away to miss use "other OS" then it would still be there and now there doing more hacks to bring it back.

Dante1122771d ago

Wow, I bet that guy so wasn't expecting that. Geohot's computer must have lead them to him.

Eamon2771d ago (Edited 2771d ago )

A tweet from another hacker is pretty hilarious.

http://twitter.com/#!/KaKaR...

Shadow Flare2771d ago

"I wish Sony would just realize that these people are helping them pretty much find security holes"

LMAO

And you should be thrilled if a burglar breaks into your house because they're just trying to help you find the security flaws with your house

If ever your house gets broken into, I hope you stand by your words and thank the burglars for showing you what's wrong with your homes security

FFXI1012771d ago

wahahahahaha Thank you Shadow Flare. I wasn't feeling well today, but after seeing your post I
felt much better.

Jamaicangmr2771d ago

@ Yi-Long

A car really? How is a modded car affecting the manufactures bottom line? These hackers are directly affecting Sony Negatively developers withhold games is one major point of damage.

They are also affecting PSN users which will cause some legit users to stop using the service. I for one Sold my MW2 because they hacked it and messed up the game totally. Am sure there are other who did and feel similar.

This isn't confined to just you and your own console when they are gonna be hurting the manufacturers finanically by publishing the hack.

Geo and the rest are just glory hounds masquerading as crusaders for good. Him and everyone else like him needs to be the penalty for what they did.

SSKILLZ2771d ago

Yeah and in that process they're screwing every one over , game devs and gamers

HolyOrangeCows2771d ago (Edited 2771d ago )

"Sony sends"

LOL, they make it sound like they hired the mafia. Pretty sure this was done through process of German law.

edit: I know nothing about German law, so I'm not justifying or condemning the police's actions, just saying that this seems to have been done legally, not in mob-fashion like the title suggests.

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PS3Freak2771d ago

Yea get em!

Put them all in jail Sony! Surprise Buttsex for them!