Gamersmint writes : Sony isn’t gonna take this lightly, they have waged an all out war against the hackers. This time it’s Graf Chokolo who specializes in hardware reversing.
I wish Sony would just realize that these people are helping them pretty much find security holes and in some instances coming up with some great new tools that Sony can use in the future.
but releasing everything to the publich still doesn't make sense. If they wanted to help they should have informed sony internally and they might have even got money and a job out of it. These are criminals in my eyes
... why is it illegal to 'mod' or 'hack' your own console? As long as the guy isn't pirating or uploading pirated software, he's just playing with the console he bought. You can compare it with modding your car. Yeah, you can put in a better engine that allows you to speed, but should you be busted and arrested for it before you actually break any laws? I think the comedown by Sony on these guys is a bit harsh. Many people just want to add homebrew for emulators and region-free DVD/BR playback and MKV-playback and such...
... these guys see it as a 'puzzle'. As a 'challenge'. Criminals tend to be motivated by MONEY. These guys are doing it only for the sheer enjoyment of figuring out how to bypass these securities. It's a hobby. And the results from all the work that they do, they offer for free to the community. If they are 'criminals', they're 'criminals' like Robin Hood.
Glad to hear Sony isn't taking it.
if Hackers only did this stuff for the challenge and enjoyment there wud be no need to post it all over the internet lol.. Hack it keep it to urself no1 gets hurt, yeh?
@Yi-Long I freaking hate this damned car analogy. Let me correct this: Modding your console and hacking the firmware is not akin to modifying your car. You must remember the software on your gaming hardware is being licensed to you to use. YOU DON'T OWN IT. Hacking firmware with the car analogy is akin to you modifying your driver's license to show that you can drive vehicles you were never originally licensed to drive or creating a entirely fake drivers license when you never had one in the first place. Well, what the hell happens to a person with a fake/falsified drivers license? The get f'ing locked up! You own a car? You can do what ever the hell you want to the damn thing, including putting a giant DONG on the front of it. However if you fake the license to drive it, unless you are on private property, your ass is going to jail.
yes Yi-Long your right many people do want to play stolen games with emulators on the ps3,they also want to pirate games and hack multiplayer games you cant really justify it, modding a car is not like modding a console you want to mod things so much then build a PC.i don't think it is harsh at all they knew what they where doing when they attempted to hack the ps3 they knew the risk and they foolishly accepted it end of story,why should these hacker be allowed to "mod" there console and ruin the gaming experience for everyone else who are just playing for fun,we all payed for our ps3s yes we own then but we didn't buy ps3's and games for hackers to mess them up and ruin our games,how is it fair that we(psn users) have to put up with this ?,its Sony job to provide us with a good online experience with psn and they have a right to protect it,there's some games on PC where every match i go into there are hackers every where it's unplayable and i don't want that to happen to consoles.
most of these criminals as you say Yi-Long aren't really like robin hood. They're just gonna let out all the how-to to get free PS3 games. Jsut like you say, they're motivated in money savings.
people here on N4g tends to side with sony on this matter. Some gamers bought the PS3 and one of the nice feature in it was to install linux on it. I got Linux on my second ps3 and I love it! it's a great media player and web browser machine for my 50 inch HDTV. it's small, doesn't take place and it's very useful for 300$. Sony told us that we could play their games while having linux without any problems at launch. Now the feature is removed and even if we stay at 3.15, we can't play the newer games. It's like saying that I got a cellphone and Verizon would call me to say that the Text Feature has been removed on my cellphone. Not everyone use texting on his cellphone, but some do. If a feature is there, don't go and remove it. The ps3 wasn't hacked until sony removed the other OS option. Geohot found some little security holes in the other OS feature, but it didn't led to any Upper CFW. The way I'm seeing it is that a whole corporation and a Big crowd of programmers wasn't able to patch a security hole that one guy alone found out. Now that the console is completly hacked on 3.55, sony comes out with 3.56 and I can tell you that 3.56 IS hard to crack. many hackers told the hacking scene that it would take a lot of time to decrypt the new key, and even then, sony could change a variable to change it all in the next patch. So sony is acting NOW?!?!?! why not in the first place when other OS was still available? hackers didn't have a reason to hack the ps3, since small homebrew and media players could be used on linux. Sony brought this situation themselves in a way. Piss off the community and they'll answer back. I hope sony is able to patch all those security hole and get all hackers banned from psn, but having access to linux again would be awesome.
@Yi-Long lol a modded car wont legally pass emission bro if your car is too loud you will get fined if it sit too low to the ground you will get fined. you cut your exhaust your car is considered illegal .. im just stratching the surface My bro just bought a house its his house but its illegal for him to build a fence without getting permission from the city 1st you see where im going ? you can buy jeans and cut them to make them booty shorts but it would be indecent exposure ;)
and by keeping his words, he released all those tools and knowledge onto the internet. And by doing that, he just have guarantee that he'll be going to jail for a very very long time. What an idiot.
FInding security holes??? LOL!!! This jailbreaking started with a STOLEN USB KEY from a Sony dev back in AUGUST! Without that USB stick, hackers would be at the same place where they were bacck in 2006 when the PS3 launched. These hackers are so l33t, that they needed a stolen USB stick from a Sony dev LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOL
@Yi-Long So hackers are like Robin Hood? 1st, companies like Sony aren't oppressive royalties ruling over people. If companies do start acting like the Sheriff of Nottingham, gamers would simply stop supporting them. 2nd, what exactly are hackers (in regards to Sony's situation) giving back to gamers? Ability to run homebrew and emulators? But at what cost to other gamers and game developers? I'd rather compare hackers like Geohot to the Huns. Sony is trying to run an empire while fucking barbarians constantly attack the gates and walls.
I hope the German police treat this hacker like its 1939.
Go get em Boy !!
@Zerox... [On January 26, 2010, Hotz released the exploit to the public. It requires the OtherOS function of the machine, and consists of a Linux kernel module and gaining control of the machine's hypervisor via bus glitching. Hotz wrote that "Sony may have difficulty patching the exploit". Hotz had then announced plans of a custom firmware, similar to the custom firmware for the PlayStation Portable, to enable Linux and OtherOS support, while still retaining the features of newer firmwares2, On March 28, 2010, Sony has responded by announcing to release a PlayStation 3 firmware update that removes the OtherOS feature,3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wik... Nice there are source to keep the history at hand, now THINK again before blaming sony, THANK YOU, and btw, sony remover the emotion engine from the ps3 TO MAKE IT CHEAPER, denial much stating the contrary? blind. Edit, now you an every fag backing these guy up, nurture your facts.
@Yi-Long. If the car comes with a software that is copy right protected that you hack then you broke the law. Modding the physical components of your car will in no way shape or form affect the car manufacture. Thats why when you mod your car and get into an accident because of it the car manufacture is not liable. Yes it would be nice to have homebrew but PS3 is not an open platform like the PC. Sony never meant for the PS3 to be a completely open platform like the PC. As such people must respect Sony's rights in this instance as their rights well within the law.
The guy who they attacked though didn't release anything. He has dome so now though as retaliation for Sony's attack.
"You must remember the software on your gaming hardware is being licensed to you to use. YOU DON'T OWN IT" Right, and that policy is clearly unreasonable and needs to be changed. "Hacking firmware with the car analogy is akin to you modifying your driver's license to show that you can drive vehicles you were never originally licensed to drive or creating a entirely fake drivers license when you never had one in the first place." One does not need a license to drive a car on his own property. If I want, I can draw on my license with sharpy, cut it to pieces, and set those pieces on fire. I can still drive, unlicensed, anywhere I want within the boundaries of my own property. Likewise, I should be able to run software that I own on hardware that I paid for in the confines of my private residence.
If there were no hackers in the first place sony wouldn't need the tools. Kill the problem before it becomes a problem so to speak...
Easy way to fix this is to reach out to the community and talk to these hackers. Give them a way to tell Sony about the vulnerabilities, allow Sony to patch it up and then give the hacker credit for their work. All this news just continues to spread instead of being contained.
" Give them a way to tell Sony about the vulnerabilities, allow Sony to patch it up and then give the hacker credit for their work. " Does it make sense to you for them to do that. Say the government allowed a public tour of Fort Knox an example is a robber that broke into Fort Knox and then revealing the details to the public on the tools he used, and how to do it. Now they should give the robbers credit for hacking into there after doing public damage?
You really have to look at the motivation of both parties: Sony: Don't want their business model to be compromised. Hackers: Want to enjoy beating the unbeatable and gain some notoriety. Solution: Hackers report to Sony, Sony determines how and when that information is released giving credit to hackers. Sony can protect their business by implementing safeguards. Fact is you can't stop hackers, so instead of fighting them which fans the flames, just join them. Your analogy doesn't make any sense. People aren't given public tours to Fort Knox and the government is seemingly better at keeping their secret. Either way, Sony can continue to fight a loosing battle or join them, get Hackers on their side. MS did it, in a stroke of genius and the tools was removed for WP7. No lawsuit, no nothing!
"I wish Sony would just realize that these people are helping them" LOL!!! not vary bright are you.
And you ARE?
You have to read...going on about piracy isn't in this situation this is about reversing the system itself for the experience Sony does provide us with good online and stuff and of course thats something that hackers even understand but that is not what they are after..funny thing is cheating in games occurred long before most of this started getting worse..and yes i speak for all COD games lol and even on PC that has nothing to do with Sony thats just something different..I may be wrong but if someone came and took all those precious games away and told you that your done using it then you would be crying to the world right now..Sony feels like they have power and hackers are just trying to prevent that..But then again i am just a gamer what do I know lol..I know that if sony or anyone comes to my house and tries to take what i paid for is not leaving alive.
@Kte LOL "piracy isn't in this situation" oh really? i think so that's why most people want these hacks in the first place. "Sony does provide us with good online and stuff and of course thats something that hackers even understand but that is not what they are after" umm yeah dude some people are, maybe not this one in particular but there are hackers out there that are. "funny thing is cheating in games occurred long before most of this started getting worse" yes every one knows that cheating was in online games before this hack,even me..but that's not what i was talking about lol nice try tho "even on PC that has nothing to do with Sony thats just something different" you missed my point.go check out some games on the pc try combat arms and hmm cross fire,and you can see for your self how ruined those games are with hacks and "script noobs".my point was i don't want this to happen on consoles(PS3) "I may be wrong but if someone came and took all those precious games away and told you that your done using it then you would be crying to the world right now..Sony feels like they have power and hackers are just trying to prevent that." uhh ? what dude I'm not hacking at all why would they take my games away ?..you make it sound like hackers are hero's to the gaming industry when there a plague of scum bags ruining this for others if hackers didn't find away to miss use "other OS" then it would still be there and now there doing more hacks to bring it back.
Wow, I bet that guy so wasn't expecting that. Geohot's computer must have lead them to him.
A tweet from another hacker is pretty hilarious. http://twitter.com/#!/KaKaR...
"I wish Sony would just realize that these people are helping them pretty much find security holes" LMAO And you should be thrilled if a burglar breaks into your house because they're just trying to help you find the security flaws with your house If ever your house gets broken into, I hope you stand by your words and thank the burglars for showing you what's wrong with your homes security
wahahahahaha Thank you Shadow Flare. I wasn't feeling well today, but after seeing your post I felt much better.
@ Yi-Long A car really? How is a modded car affecting the manufactures bottom line? These hackers are directly affecting Sony Negatively developers withhold games is one major point of damage. They are also affecting PSN users which will cause some legit users to stop using the service. I for one Sold my MW2 because they hacked it and messed up the game totally. Am sure there are other who did and feel similar. This isn't confined to just you and your own console when they are gonna be hurting the manufacturers finanically by publishing the hack. Geo and the rest are just glory hounds masquerading as crusaders for good. Him and everyone else like him needs to be the penalty for what they did.
Yeah and in that process they're screwing every one over , game devs and gamers
"Sony sends" LOL, they make it sound like they hired the mafia. Pretty sure this was done through process of German law. edit: I know nothing about German law, so I'm not justifying or condemning the police's actions, just saying that this seems to have been done legally, not in mob-fashion like the title suggests.
Shit just hit the fan!
it sure has :)
Yea get em! Put them all in jail Sony! Surprise Buttsex for them!
The hunting season has opened.
release the hounds
ooooo Sony dosen't like to be fucked with :)
YOU JUST GOT SERVERD SON!
he kept his promise to sony if they don't back off and published his IDA database, for the PS3's Hypervisor and Hypervisor processes. What this means, is that reverse engineering the hypervisor would immediately become much easier for other developers using IDA Pro Disassembler. IDA Pro is a popular tool, commonly used in reverse engineering software.
He's screwed now. Jail time on the cards no doubt Reverse engineering is a crime.
Will the German police let them eat their toast and coffee before dragging them to das boot?
hahaha guy talks tough and thinks he can bully around a major corporation....doesn't work like that bro.
welcome to an extortion charge sir please enjoy the time in court and upcoming crimnal record.. he threatened sony which is extortion either extrotion of money or services or let me go
You'd think police would spend their time and resources raiding drug dealers homes. Kinda shows the power and influence of a corporation that has the money to do such things..
why? drugs are awesome.
well... weed is awesome at least but marijuana isnt a drug. Its just a plant. It just grows like that and if you just so happen to set on fire there are some effects ;) On topic: these hacker dudes are ridiculous. Stealing, modifying, and redistributing the modified copyrighted material such as those root keys is 100% illegal. U can do whateva u want with whateva you own as long as it isnt illegal. Merely breaking the Terms of Service agreement by modding/hacking your console isnt enough to take legal actions but sony are well within there rights to perma-ban you from their service.
Did all the police forces and law enforcement agencies in German just drop their work and show up at his house with Sony's people? "Kinda shows the power and influence of a corporation that has the money to do such things" Are you implying that Sony PAID the German police to go with them to his house? WOW...
No only you'd be "ignorant" to think they simply went and paid police. Hire some the best and most expensive lawyers who have good connections and your sorted. This is pretty much how it is everywhere in the world. Stop living in a fanboy bubble and wake up. If you think I'm making up a fantasy why don't you read about News of the World phone hacking incident its links with the Metropolitan Police.
The only person here live in a different world is you. No one here saying the world is perfect, but in THIS case Sony has the RIGHT to call police and hire all the lawyers they want to protect what's theirs. This has nothing to do with police been bribed, you are just trying too hard to troll. Next you gonna tell me that when you call 911 at your home the dispatch is asking how much are you willing to pay to have the police to come to your house, right?
Thank you for proving you lack a brain to even understand the point I was making. The decent thing to do would be to take the hacker to court like with geohot instead of raiding his house early in the morning without him knowing. He's a normal guy. He's hardly even released anything major. Most likely, they found details of his whereabouts through geohot's computers since they did communicate together. Sony has no right to harass individuals like this. Take him to court if you must, but this is beyond anything acceptable. Not even Microsoft goes this far. Since when did I use the word bribe? It seems you really do live in the bubble if the only thing you could conclude from what I said was bribery. Meaning you know nothing about life in general. So please stfu and grow up, kid. These matters seem to overwhelm your small capacity of intelligence.
You are dumber than I thought. Let me ask you this, if you found out someone steal your thing what will you do? Would you NOT call the police? I think this is too hard for you to understand, you troll too hard you can't comprehend it.
He didn't steal anything, idiot. That's why I said you have no idea about these matters. I'm done here. lol at below, looks like you are too.
Sony basically just made their machine even more vulnerable by doing this.Like the article said the dude uploaded all his stuff.Hes one of the best guys in the scene The funny thing is if they bring him to court he will probably ending up winning just like Geohot But anyway nothing will really change other than the scene will become more anonymous just like the 360 dvd firmware hacking scene
You do realise the guy just committed a huge crime, don't you? Reverse engineering software is completely legal under European law, as long as you don't distribute it.... which he then did with his name beside it. He might have had a case, had he not then uploaded his work to make a point.
Yeah, the distributing and blackmail stuff was not smart, but it still does not give Sony the right to go to Gestapo. As much as you or I may think that this guy had it coming from Sony, you can also say that Sony brought this upon themselves because they started to think they were holier than thou and think that they are above the law just because they have a ton of money. This could just alienate the general public and just turn the hackers on MORE!
"Reverse engineering software is completely legal under European law, as long as you don't distribute it" Fortunately, he's being tried under American law, where one can reverse-engineer software and distribute it all they want. Sega v. Accolade. :-)
makes me want to buy anothr ps3 i love supporting good companys addly to many games i want :(
SONY: Clean up on Isle YOU!! :)
These hackers are parasites anyway. If they are so good as they claim to be, why not just make their own Operating systems and their own hardware/consoles. They are like plagiarists. Taking someone else code that was made with hard work, reword it, add extra things, then put their name on it. Just look at that [email protected] geohot. He took the credit from failoverflow (The real person who figured out the PS3 key) and various other iphone hackers and claim it as his own.
Way for this hacker to turn a civil case into a criminal charge. He has essentially blackmailed Sony with his threat of "Back off, or I'll upload my work to the public." In true hacker fashion, he's a snivelling little twerp who turns nasty when confronted by his illegal actions and I'd be surprised if his actions don't come back to bite him in the arse.
Now it's SONY'S turn to get cocky! And this place just amazes me! It just does! Too many corporate huggers and kids who have yet to see the shit the rest of us have over the years. Thinking that if you're a big company and/or have a ton of money, you SHOULD be able to do whatever the hell you want and bully whoever you want without consequence. [email protected]: 1. Reported for offensive language! I don't care if you think Sony is in the right or not, but do you REALLY had to use that word to describe Hotz? You think we REALLY want to read crap like that? 2. Then is the added code HIS work? It's not a crime to make something that someone else made better than claim the improvement as your own. Happens with patents all the time. 3. You know, if it wasn't for employed hackers, you're identity would be on tens of thousands of sites already! Don't be so quick to judge!