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PS3 Not Maxed Out By Killzone 3, says Guerilla

This week marks the release of Killzone 3, the latest chapter in the popular first person series that continues the war between the Interplanetary Strategic Alliance (ISA) and the evil Helghast Empire. It is arguably the best looking game on PlayStation 3, complete with gorgeous environments, giant enemies and epic scenes of destruction. Therefore, it’s only natural for people to speculate whether developer Guerrilla Games maximized the console’s potential. Well, Managing Director/Co-Founder Hermen Hulst wants to kill the argument before it begins. The team didn’t squeeze the PS3 for all it’s worth. Not even close.

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richierich2772d ago

I thought they said Killzone 3 maxed out the PS3

BrianG2772d ago (Edited 2772d ago )

They maxed out what they could do with their tech in the time that they put into KZ3. Their tech may use 100% of the PS3's power, meaning 100% of its processing power. However better engines could lead to better use of that 100%.

Optimization always leads to more power being squeezed out.

EDIT: I should say better use of power, instead of more power. They could rewrite the engine, or parts of it, to use less RAM and resources, freeing them up for other aspects of the game.

Mr Tretton2772d ago

They found a hidden SPE! ;p

imvix2772d ago

So why didnt they run the game in 1080p? if there was any juice left, or why not give it 60fps? or were they simply incapable or was it they yet want ps3 fans to wait for the next release until they utilise it all, or they could say the same garbage with the next release lol.

BrianG2772d ago (Edited 2772d ago )

@imvix

They did what they could with their engine. Their current engine probably can't push that level of effects, action on screen, scale, etc.. in 1080p at a respectable framrate.

What I'm saying is they can continue to refine the engine, find new ways to do lighting, particle effects, etc.. like they did with AA as mentioned in the article. This should allow them to improve things like resolution, fps, etc..

@ranshak

Clearly the hardware has limitations. I am not denying that, so please everyone don't confuse that. I'm simply saying they can always utilize the resources from the PS3 more effectively. I agree with your example as well.

Clearly more powerful tech will lead to better specs. But developers and engines have a lot to do with it. They decide how that power is used. That is why console games continue to look better on old tech, tech that PC gamers say could never run games of this caliber.

Ranshak2772d ago (Edited 2772d ago )

@BrianG

Anyone will tell you its not the engine thats the limitation, if the hardware was powerful enough it would be doing 60fps 1080p easy. Sony devs should stop spouting crap about power being left over lol.

Its a simple example, run any game on PC with a weak GPU watch the game run at a certain FPS, replace the GPU with a more powerful one and you will see better frame rate. Its not about the engine being the limitation.

zootang2772d ago

People have something against Sony, jeez! They bring the games stop complaining and game or do you have a some kind of agenda?

darthv722772d ago (Edited 2772d ago )

No console has ever been truly "maxed out". You cant max out potential but you can max out capacity. Meaning if something holds a certain amount of space...that is it.

The performance of the ps3/360 are not maxed out yet. So long as new programming tricks are developed that improve the efficiency of how the hardware is used.

I remember playing games near the end of the genesis time frame that far exceeded my expectations as compared to the games it started with. Same hardware...just better programming over time.

ZombieAssassin2772d ago

I'm sure if they had the time to create a brand new engine they would be able to push a lot more out of it because they know how to program for the ps3 better, I don't doubt they can push their current engine further but imagine if they got to start all over with the know-how they have now.

NiKK_4192772d ago (Edited 2772d ago )

the ps3 could do 1080p at 60fps, but there will be sacrifices, and i think guerrilla has it right, they didn't go for insane specs, because it would hurt the game

btw gt5 does 1080p at 60fps, so it can be done. now yes it's not "true" 1080p, but it IS 1280x1080, which is waaay better than most

@badz149
exactly

badz1492772d ago (Edited 2772d ago )

are you guys really THAT stupid? the GPU inside the PS3 and 360 for that matter is those from GeForce 7 series class and is already several years old! even with a powerful CPU or in this case, the CELL BE, old GPU is old! there's no way it can run newer games at 1080p 60fps, period! I have a HD4850 card and even this one is struggling to run BFBC2 at 1080p max setting let alone the ones inside the PS3 and 360!

but let's give credits where it's due. what has been achieved by GG with their KZ series is amazing! there's no denying that KZ3 looks phenomenal and saying that it isn't is pure ignorance! it's competing with the best graphic-wise and it plays brilliant! I also game on PC and I'm confident to say that all the praise towards KZ3 is justified! personally, I think it's AMONG the best looking I've played on any platform.

sikbeta2771d ago

Good to know :P Graphics are Great already, GG did an Amazing Job with KZ2 and KZ3, both are Awesome IMO...

arjman2771d ago (Edited 2771d ago )

Everybody's got the general idea here, it's all about optimisation. Further optimisation leads to more available resources and better, more efficient resource management.

On a side note, imagine if a dev like Crytek wrote a game engine only for 4 Nvidia GTX 580's in quad sli and 2 ATI 5970's in dual crossfire, with maximum optimisation... Pixar would get owned...

zero_cool2770d ago

Your talking about increasing the optimization efficiency through parallel processing.

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ALFAxD_CENTAURO2772d ago

''At the end of every project, we say, ‘we’ve maxed it out.’ I made that mistake at the end of Killzone 2,” Hulst admitted to IndustryGamers. “We felt that we’d pushed it absolutely to the max. We now know from experience there’s always more mileage in the tech. You can always find new techniques.''

Ares842772d ago

Yeah, that's what they said not long ago. So which is it than? If it isn't maxing out the PS3 than why not try to shoot for that. Like others said, why not 1080p or 60fps?

I think this generation is really about 720p and 1080p is such a useless feature by the way.

MintBerryCrunch2772d ago

you do realize that projects such as videogame development have budgets?

GG or any dev could shoot for those specs, but the amount of resources needed would not be recuperated once the game goes on sale

Ares842772d ago

You know, I do know that. It seams like no one can say anything negative about KZ3 or GG because they get chrucified here.

I got my copy of killzone 3 as well. Still at work now but can't wait to get home and start it up but if I see a studio BS-ing like this obviously I will say something about it.

annus2772d ago

I don't think you understand the difference between 30 and 60 frames.

Look at it like this, 60 frames would mean it would have to render everything twice as fast. So let's just pretend that it uses twice the amount of 'power'. Killzone wouldn't be using ALL of the 'power', but wouldn't have much left over. They certainly wouldn't be able to double it.

DFresh2771d ago (Edited 2771d ago )

Developers can always make new engines that can optimize those hardware specs even more.
By the way this applies to every platform.

Armyless2771d ago

"Compared to Killzone 2, Killzone 3’s polygon count is three times as high, so we’ve been able to find new space, probably averaging out to 40 percent."
/jaw drop

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Balt 2772d ago (Edited 2772d ago )

It's sad we live in a world where clearly better software, better music, better movies, better everything exist over what sales the best. People are idiots.

Hellsvacancy2772d ago (Edited 2772d ago )

Speak for yourself buddy

Im not even all that bothered bout KillZone 3, i will pick it up......a month or two after release, id much rather hav Deus Ex 3

I waited for soo many years for Killzone 2 (most mofos didnt even know the game existed when i first started wantin it) and when i finally got to play it i was less then satisfied (my expectations were far to high partly do to all the hype) still a good game i just kept thinkin i was gonna get more

Once bitten twice shy the sayin goes...

Belasco2772d ago

You are people, get off the high horse.

btk2772d ago

Well no actually.
Tetris is a simple game. Even when it was released. Also PacMan. There was better games on a technical level. But both PacMan and Tetris impacted gaming simply because it was so much fun. Just look at those two games. Simple graphics. Yet many people still play it today.

MGRogue20172772d ago (Edited 2772d ago )

Of course not.

DigitalRaptor2771d ago

Uncharted 3, The Last Guardian, Final Fantasy Versus XIII and Guerilla's next project will come out and the visuals will astound people, yet again.

DelbertGrady2772d ago

The marketing bullsh*t meter is definitely maxed out though.

Arksine2772d ago

I'm guessing you didn't bother to read the article.

Belasco2772d ago

With that title why is there any need to read further?

clearelite2772d ago (Edited 2772d ago )

Looks like your bubbles are maxed out too brotha. lol j/k I just had to say it. I'll give you a bubble even though it seems like you're trolling.

"Not even close" to maxed out. Jesus christ, I cant wait to play Reistance 3 then. BTW, I've played Killzone 3 in 720p and it looks AMAZING. So 720 is sufficient for now.

Kon2772d ago

If this didn't max out, what game will?

Fishy Fingers2772d ago

Every big exclusive will, but only up until launch, then back peddle to say there is more to squeeze out.

Usually it's all just PR to big up the games post launch, "we using all that X has to offer...".

clearelite2772d ago (Edited 2772d ago )

It will be a while. Remember how long it took for them to make GOW2 on PS2 and that system was far less powerful than the PS3. But like everyone says, there are always new tricks.

Shikoro2772d ago

There won't be a game that will max out either system. There is ALWAYS room for improvements in every aspect of a game, and with smart coding you can accomplish exactly that. :)

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