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Forza 3 beats GT5 in Car and Driver road test

Expert auto enthusiasts from Car and Driver magazine raced Forza 3 against Gran Turismo 5 for the ultimate driving game crown. Surprisingly, considering the scope of Gran Turismo 5 and the idea that it's marketed towards real drivers and gearheads, Forza 3 came out the winner in this showdown, which will be featured in their March 2011 issue. Let's find out why.

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jc485732793d ago

say what? cocaine is a hell of a drug.

ComboBreaker2793d ago

they meant in terms of arcadiness and ease.

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MAJ0R2793d ago

money is a hell of a drug, but denial takes the cake ;)

ComboBreaker2793d ago (Edited 2793d ago )

"Whatever makes you feel better."

Well, playing GT5, with its realistic simulations, makes me feel better than playing Forza 3, with its unrealistic simulations.

Some people though, prefer arcady games and so feels better when playing Forza 3. No big deal. Everyone have their own preferences.

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shoddy2793d ago

how much experience does a driver in a magazine have compare to
the great race car driver Kazunori Yamauchi that can do 24hr
nurburgring endurance?

how can they compare to the Kazunori Yamauchi that know how to invent race cars? aka granturismo Citreon.

can these mag drivers can even invent a bicycle?

get the fuk outta here.
I heard forza 3 widen the track so it's easier for the shoota gamers drive.

GT5 the real racing sim with 10 years ecperience.

AngryTypingGuy2792d ago

The first two comments on this page reflect idiotic fanboyism perfectly. Sorry Sony fans, but not everything about the PS3 and its games is going to be better than the 360 and its games, and vice versa. There are plenty of pros and cons to each.

The_Ultimate_Guy2792d ago (Edited 2792d ago )

Hey, Why don't all you guys actually READ the article. God.

ComboBreaker - "When they said Forza 3 beats GT5,
they meant in terms of arcadiness and ease."
No they didn't. Read the article.

shoddy - "How did they compare? the controll or the graphics?"
Read the damn article and don't ask stupid questions.

For all you lazy and illiterate people here is a quote.

"While Forza 3 may not have GT5's scope, it feels the more cohesive and better executed of the pair. There are more cars that we would want to find in a video game in Forza than there are in GT5. These games are about fulfilling automotive fantasies and driving cars one normally wouldn't be able to even sit in. Forza delivers on this concept, providing more desirable cars for players to drive, customize, and yes, destroy than GT5, and with better overall presentation. Forza is at once a competitive simulator and a fun game casual users can quickly get into and out of; it does not require players to delve into layers of levels and challenges to get to the good stuff. Its polish and flexibility make Forza Motorsport 3 the better choice. But with Forza 4 on the horizon and GT5's frequent updates, we may be forced to repeat this tough assignment again soon."

God sometimes I can't believe I am actually apart of this community.

ComboBreaker2792d ago

"Wow, great comeback.

Too bad the article provides nothing to back up your opinions."

But the articles did. Specifically this:

"Forza... is a fun game casual users can quickly get into and out of; it does not require players to delve into layers of levels and challenges..."

@The_Ultimate_Guy

"No they didn't. Read the article."

Yes they did.

"Forza... is a fun game casual users can quickly get into and out of; it does not require players to delve into layers of levels and challenges..."

Information Minister2792d ago (Edited 2792d ago )

This is a quote from the article: "When it came time to choose an overall winner, Car and Driver gave the edge to GT5 for its all-encompassing depth, calling it peerlessly comprehensive...".

So the title reads "Forza 3 beats GT5", while referring to an article where GT5 beats Forza 3... Nice to see that free speech is alive and well in the gaming media. Anyone can say whatever the hell they want without being hindered by meaningless details such as facts and honesty.

The_Ultimate_Guy2792d ago (Edited 2792d ago )

@ combobreaker

No they didn't.

"they meant in terms of arcadiness and ease."

was the comment.

"Forza... is a fun game casual users can quickly get into and out of; it does not require players to delve into layers of levels and challenges..."

is the quote. Notice NOTHING in that comment mentions ANYTHING "arcadiness". That quote is referring to the ease of picking up the controller and just play where GT5's menu and gameplay requires grinding and license challenges to be able to drive other cars.

@ Information Minister

I see how you selectively nit pick the article. Why don't you read Car and Driver's OVERALL FINAL comment.

"While Forza 3 may not have GT5's scope, it feels the more cohesive and better executed of the pair. There are more cars that we would want to find in a video game in Forza than there are in GT5. These games are about fulfilling automotive fantasies and driving cars one normally wouldn't be able to even sit in. Forza delivers on this concept, providing more desirable cars for players to drive, customize, and yes, destroy than GT5, and with better overall presentation. Forza is at once a competitive simulator and a fun game casual users can quickly get into and out of; it does not require players to delve into layers of levels and challenges to get to the good stuff. Its polish and flexibility make Forza Motorsport 3 the better choice. But with Forza 4 on the horizon and GT5's frequent updates, we may be forced to repeat this tough assignment again soon."

paintsville2792d ago

"compared to Forza 3 (which sports 400 vehicles), there are only half the number of highly detailed cars in GT5."

"According to Car and Driver, Forza 3 offers more real-world tracks than GT5, and they are "more realistically rendered" and show more detail."

There ya go and it didn't take 5 years to develop and it didn't take $60 million either.
Wow Car and Driver. Can't get more official than that. Hey....wait maybe today's GT5 patch 1.99 will make it better, or the patch tomorrow, well yesterdays patch didn't help either........

thereapersson2792d ago

Is that Car and Driver preferred the AESTHETIC of Forza 3 over GT:5. They liked the course and car selection better, which is understandable, as I've always questioned some of the car choices that PD puts in the game (the 16 Daihatsu joke was hilarious).

However, the author makes no mention of customization, driving physics or other important game features. The real cue that this is more of a casual "review" is the fact that they gave the nod to the game controlling better on the 360 with the game pad, ignoring the fact that GT:5 is a simulation and should be treated as such by using a wheel. They did say that GT:5 controls best with a wheel, but then why not compare how both games control when using the preferred racing control method?

Either way, this is a casual article not to be taken seriously as a true analysis of each respective games' performance. It sure gets the fanboys riled up, though.

GrandTheftZamboni2792d ago

It beats it in 3D department.

MaxXAttaxX2792d ago (Edited 2792d ago )

Here's another comparison:
http://i53.tinypic.com/2lxi...

MintBerryCrunch2792d ago

the sad part is that Car and Driver gave the edge barely to GT5, yet i look at the title of the thread and i just have to facepalm

i wonder how many actually even bothered to read the article

examiner, fishing for hits, any way they can

Xilef2792d ago

So the guys who wrote the article are casual gamers?
What the f**k are they doing on N4G?

**looks at all the casual games on his iphone**
Damn it!!

DaTruth2792d ago (Edited 2792d ago )

Americans will make up anything to save their economy!

Note to America: People will do more business with you if they perceive you to be honest! Blatant lies aren't helping you in this field! Propaganda will only get you so far!

Information Minister2792d ago

@ the_ultimate_guy:

Selective nit pick? That's positively hilarious coming from the guy who keeps quoting the same paragraph over and over. I guess it doesn't qualify as "selective nit picking" when you do it.

And maybe you should read the article again. It clearly states that GT5 was the OVERALL WINNER (see, I can use all caps too). I didn't make that stuff up, it's there for everyone to see. If you want to ignore it, that's your problem. Then again, the article also seems to have more praise for Forza 3. If anything, that contradiction works as strong indicator that you should take the story with a pinch of salt, or better yet... disregard it completely

Dee_912792d ago (Edited 2792d ago )

I lol'ed
"Forza 3 offers more real-world tracks than GT5,"
did forza 3 have as many tracks as it does now in its 1st 7 weeks ?
did forza have as many cars as it does now in its 1st 7 weeks ?

"GT5 controlled significantly better with a steering wheel than it did the PS3's sixaxis controller, which "lacked adequate range of motion to precisely nail apexes and manage power"

let me guess .. they were using X for gas and square for break .. LOL
but eh what evs
I enjoy GT5
and im looking forward to future updates and DLC :)

but the only thing forza has on gt5 is customization ( which gt5 can over come with updates)
and the tracks details
like the tires barrels... which could also be over came with updates

and another reason I loled
was because of the title being a lie and car and driver didnt compare any of the things that really matter in a simulator

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farhad2k82793d ago

They've been Forza fan boys all along, I remember the author of that article always talking about Forza 3, obviously he's going to vote for it against GT5.

Truth is, GT5 is better, and if you can't get the G25 on the 360, then what fun can you have on Forza??!

Wenis2793d ago

I've never played Forza, and am loving GT5. But come on, you can't expect every single person on the face of the earth to prefer GT5 over Forza 3. Calling them fanboys for doing so makes yourself look pathetic.

Elven62793d ago

Who is the Car and Driver author?

Jezuz2793d ago

dude...it's preference

Millah2793d ago (Edited 2793d ago )

Lack of wheel support makes a big difference for me. I have both games, I rarely play Forza now because none of my wheels work for it, and I'm not going to shell out an additional $250 for another quality wheel (Fanatec GT2). I have the G27 and theres no way I can play any racing game with a controller.

But theres just little details about Forza 3 that make GT5 more enjoyable for me. For example, when you're going 150mph and slam on the brakes going into a turn, the view inside the car gets shaky as the car gets "squirrelly" from braking fast. The view in Forza stays completely steady no matter what.

Why does that matter to me? Well, when you're going 120mph down the Nurburgring, you get a genuine feeling of being on edge and really focus on the road. It makes it more exciting like any little mistake will ruin the race. Forza just doesn't match that same sense of speed and anxiety. Not to mention its far more forgiving when you make a mistake.

Forza 3 fanboys, go ahead and disagree, but at least I own BOTH games, unlike you all. I'm not saying the game sucks, just giving my opinion on both games.

farhad2k82793d ago

@Penis.. I mean Wenis

I've seen people who have played both games and enjoy Forza more, and they make an unbiased decision, but these guys are blatent Forza fanboys, the way they criticize GT5, you can just see it.

I dont care what the outcome of this GT5 vs Forza rival is, but I hate it when people make biased comments, especially after all the hatred GT5 has gone through.

Kurt Russell2793d ago

I think there is only one fanboy here farhad2k8... He was the one to cast the first stone and shares your face.

NeutralGamer2792d ago (Edited 2792d ago )

"They've been Forza fan boys all along, I remember the author of that article always talking about Forza 3..."

Of course he have talked about Forza 3 "always"... It has been out for a year... GT 5 have been out for what? 3 months now? And how long did we wait on it?

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Millah2793d ago (Edited 2793d ago )

Nah, just pure incompetence for an automotive magazine. You would expect an automotive publication to know what car physics and handling should be like, and how cars should feel, but apparently they don't. Or they just don't know how to translate that into the virtual feeling.

I literally lol'd at them saying the tracks have more real life detail in Forza 3. Like a person below said, Forza 3 widened them from real life and made it more "friendly" for newbies.

Amazing a car publication wouldn't have a clue what they're talking about. Oh wait, its Car and Driver? Thats why....

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Kalipekona2793d ago

Tracks do have more detail in Forza 3 than in GT5. I can't believe anybody would try to deny that.

Ifone2792d ago

More details ? lol, not so much, but what about dynamic light, graphisms. (cars, towns, etc) and....race.

Nobody can't deny gt5 is better, and don't talk about meta scores, you can only compares with games on the same console, same year ( tons of iphone's games have better score, nobody seriously think they are better)

TBM2793d ago (Edited 2793d ago )

i'm a huge racing fan of F1, Le Mans, and Touring, but i can not respect a racing game that alters the real world track dimensions for the sake of making it easier for people to play.

until turn 10 models the real world courses correctly ill never buy the games again. check profile if you think im lying about playing forza

zero cool 108

edit
i'd just like to say that when driving on nurburg in GT5 im always on edge because that course is freaking brutal, and one mistake would cost me the race. in forza i never got such a feeling since it was made EASIER to race on >.<

morganfell2793d ago

^^^^

This is the comment which neither the author at Car and Driver nor anyone else can explain away.

Making the title easier to drive by altering real world existences and issues immediately disqualifies any such title and the opinions of any such writer who is supposedly selecting based on the recreation of reality.

Oner2792d ago (Edited 2792d ago )

In addition to altering the tracks you have to also factor in how Forza alters the ability to control the car without driving aids i.e. it's permanently on Active Steering.

You can't have a "better" & "more accurate" simulation when 2 MAJOR factors (tracks & driving aids) are altered to be UNREALISTIC.

beardpapa2793d ago

I lol when I read

"According to Car and Driver, Forza 3 offers more real-world tracks than GT5, and they are "more realistically rendered" and show more detail.
"

say what? I thought other articles went over accuracy already.

Also,

GT5 controlled significantly better with a steering wheel than it did the PS3's sixaxis controller, which "lacked adequate range of motion to precisely nail apexes and manage power." The standard Xbox 360 controller was almost as good as the wheel if ultimate simulation was not a priority: "The joysticks and triggers are precise and well placed."

Duh on the wheel being better than PS3 controller but huh? on the 360 controller "almost as good as the wheel" with a big emphasis on *if* "ultimate simulation was not a priority"?

This is Car and Driver Magazine? Might have to question their rationale. Considering driving and providing insightful reviews is their profession, wouldn't simulation be a priority?

Prototype2793d ago

*puts in Forza 2*
Damn, thought it was Need for Speed...

ChristianGamer2793d ago

*scratches his head*
OH! That was supposed to be funny...? Off the mark. Maybe do an edit and try again

phinch2793d ago

it even says at the end they gave it overall to GT5, grasping at straws here forza fans

Thugbot1872792d ago

Good read. I know fanboys are going to cry but what can you say quantity doesn't replace quality.

ColecoVision2792d ago

A lot of fanboys upset. I take it you guys did a comparison breakdown between the 2 games yourself. Give us your breakdown why you feel GT5 is the better of the 2.

Theonik2792d ago

*reads article*
Yes they must be high. And would it be far fetched to assume they are a US mag?

Ifone2792d ago

What a joke.... And desperate fanboyz without best games (ezch years) are here in full force to talk about a game yhey don't know :)

Look at the agree/disagree, no kz3, lbp2, etc so they are jumping on the worst articles to feel better, unsecure much.

Maddens Raiders2792d ago

@ C&D didn't bother setting up a proper racing rig and felt that the arcadiness of T10's creation translated to the controller in their hands better.

a/w they can laud this all they want lol while the rest of the world enjoys the best Driving Simulator known to man. Polyphony Digigods for the eternal win.

FinalSpartan2792d ago

Ouch. Owned.

Expert auto enthusiasts from Car and Driver

Everyone knows Forza is real driving simulator. Just wait till Forza 4 :P

PraxxtorCruel2792d ago

Why do you guys bother saying anything about GT5? You'll get swamped with too many disagrees to count. This site is over run by PS3 owners that will not accept loss at any corner.

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Cookigaki2793d ago

Wow, that is surprising coming from a car magazine.

Twizlex2793d ago

Yeah, I can see people debating over which one is more fun or which is a better GAME, but I would've guessed "car people" would pretty much always side with GT5 for its realism. Guess not!

ugo2793d ago

but what u forget is that, dis research is being carried out in America,so don't expect them to say gt5 is better than forza

DuneBuggy2792d ago (Edited 2792d ago )

ugo, are you trying to make some sort of accusation that Car and Driver has a bias against Japanese products? The same Car and Driver that loves Honda's so much, you would swear they own stock in the company??
Case in point.Heres the Honda's that have made their "10 Best" list (not counting 2011):

Accord 24 times (1983-’91, ’94-’95, 1998-2010)

Civic 5 times (1988-’91, 1996)

CRX 2 times (1985, 1988)

Fit 4 times (2007-2010)

Prelude 10 times (1984-’86, 1992-98)

S2000 3 times (2000-2004)

This does not include Nissan,Infiniti,Lexus,Toyota, and other Japanese makes that have also made the list over the years.

tobysims2793d ago (Edited 2793d ago )

Not surprising at all but I am surprised the media were so scared of GT fanboys they would even compare GT5 with Forza as a Sim. I guess the 84 on meta says it all. GT gameplay seems arcadey. I think Forza 4 will be the tipping point for the franchise to get total global respect.

RememberThe3572793d ago

"GT gameplay seems arcadey."

You have never played Gran Turismo...

Millah2793d ago

Clearly, you don't have a fucking clue what sim racing is. Go back to your cave troll. Come back when you've actually PLAYED a sim. Like rFactor or Live for Speed. Then compare the driving physics of those sims to Forza and Gran Turismo 5. If you're an intelligent and rational person, you'll quickly realize which game is more "arcadey." If you're a blind idiot, then you won't, and will probably continue to make yourself believe that Forza is more of a sim.

Clarence2793d ago (Edited 2793d ago )

If you really played GT5 you would know there is nothing arcaded about the game. If you don't shift just right coming into a turn its over.

I havent heard a word from anyone in awhile about GT5, until Sony released the numbers for how many copies of GT5 have sold. Now the media is all up in arms, wondering how in the hell did GT5 sell so many copies.

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Ingram2792d ago

Oh my god, It's the legendary Cookigaki! haven't seen him in years, fun stuff, he's written.

yewles12793d ago

"According to Car and Driver, Forza 3 offers more real-world tracks than GT5, and they are "more realistically rendered" and show more detail."

It's already been proven that the real life tracks had been altered and widened or ease of accessibility. Sheer incompetence for such a magazine. For shame.

Twizlex2793d ago

Maybe they mean "more realistically rendered" in the way they look and how many trees are there or whatever, not referring to the exact dimensions of the tracks. Just a guess on my part.

mrv3212793d ago

Usually when I'm driving I take less consideration into the trees and surrounding and more into the road, I'm fairly sure F1 drivers don't go

'Hmm, the stadium hold 100,000 that means I must go to second gear'

PirateThom2793d ago (Edited 2793d ago )

"more realistically rendered" should ONLY refer to track dimensions, everything else is fluff since you can't really interact with it in either game.

The Nordschleife is the prime example, GT5 is pretty accurately rendered on the track (and surrounding) while Forza 3's was widened to make it more fun to play online. I can see reasons for both, GT5 to maintain it's dedication to realism, Forza 3 to maintain its dedication to good online interactions, but to hand "realistically rendered" to a game that changes the key track is a bit silly.

Edit: for the record, I didn't disagree.

Twizlex2793d ago

I'm not saying it has ANYTHING to do with racing, just trying to understand on what level the Car and Driver guys were talking about the "realistically rendered tracks". Jeez, don't know what all the disagrees are about when I'm just speculating here...

Ilikegames762793d ago

So Forza is not a driving simulator, but a surrounding simulator. Car and Driver should be renamed to Driver and Surrounding.

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Millah2793d ago (Edited 2793d ago )

Not just that, but the tracks just don't LOOK more realistic at all. I mean, the rendering of Forza 3 looks gamey, while the rendering of GT5 looks more natural and real. Its a shame that such ignorance gets spread through publications like this, and people who really don't know much about the topic just believe whatever the editors say.

The tracks in Forza also have VERY exaggerated tire marks around turns and such. It just looks more natural on GT5 and not as exaggerated.

thrasherv32793d ago

*sits back and waits for the fanobys to kill each other*

Pedobear Rocks2793d ago

Too late...just killed myself.

Pyscho_Mantis2792d ago

pedo bear does indeed rock....jk :P

MidnytRain2793d ago

There's no need for killing really. They basically chose Forza 3 because there are more pretty-looking cars and nice trees and rocks. You would think gearheads would know that it's what's UNDER the hood that matters. That's where GT5 comes out on top.

ugo2793d ago (Edited 2793d ago )

i can smell patriotism oozing out from dis magazine

Elven62793d ago

This is ridiculous, fanboys really are willing to pull any card to justify their beliefs.

In the end WHO CARES! Both are great games and owners of both consoles are extremely lucky to have those type of games. Just play the one you like, if you are truly a fan of something what other people say should have no effect on you.