PSX-Scene: geohot has finally decided, after discussing the matter with his lawyers, to open a donation link to support his growing Legal fees in the fight against Sony. He has also setup a new blog with updates on the case.
I wonder if Sony offered this guy some kind of settlement would he be smart enough to take it. Not that I see Sony doing anything of the sort, but then obviously this guy isn't going to back down. Was stupid for taking this as far as he has, especially considering that he'll still be in court when the PS5 is announced. If he's lucky that is. @jeeves86 Pretty sure that because it is Sony suing him, that if he came to them saying he'd cooperate they'd drop the suit. Of course he's not going to do that.
That would only work if 'he' were suing them.
The problem I see with this is that hacking in on itself ISN'T illegal, however if you get PAID for it I think it's far easier to prosecute. Esoecially if you can this to piracy. And as such I am donating $1 with the message; 'This is to Geohot, the hacker, without his hacking I wouldn't have been able to give him money. He saved me so much by allowing piracy' Again, I don't pirate.
this guys reputation is already bad when it comes to talking about legal stuff the creator of Iphone jail Break which lets ppl download anything for free from the app store Sony's lawyers could use this fact to make him look worse than he already is
meh who cares... bigger fish ta fry peeps. http://www.youtube.com/watc...
@rroded I stopped watching after I heard the term "members of the 9/11 truth movement."
Only proves he is after money for hacking the PS3.
I'm not suprised you didn't try reading the article/post as a whole, it is pretty long and I'm sure by the time he started dissing SONY you were too annoyed to continue. However had you continued you'd have read this:
What if SCEA tries to settle? Lets just say, I want the settlement terms to include OtherOS on all PS3s and an apology on the PlayStation blog for ever removing it. It'd be good PR for Sony too, lord knows they could use it. I'm also willing to accept a trade, a legit path to homebrew for knowledge of how to stop new firmwares from being decrypted.
Didn't read for the plain simple fact I'm tired of the story and would like it to go away. This idiot is in the process of ruining his life over some stupid consumer device that's going to be made redundant in a few years and it would be nice if someone on the Sony side pointed such out to him with the option of making all this crap go away if he in turn showed some sign of common sense. Nevermind all this got sarted in the first place because he was trying to exploit otherOS.
I find it silly to say you didn't read the whole thing because you are tired of the whole story and want it to go away. Yet here you are not only commenting but asking hypothetical questions that have already been answered in the post and creating more debate on the story you want to go away.
If you really wanted it to go away you wouldn't contribute to it by asking questions about it.
By the time Sony would settle, he'd be in no position to negotiate any terms. Sony will purposely drag out the case until he has nothing left. Honestly, the only negotiation I think they'll work with is "you stop now, sign your name to the line that states you will never do this again for any system that Sony creates, and we won't pound your ass into the ground financially."
@fail Why won't you just roll over and die already. Waste of breath.
GeoHot's not one to talk about anyone apologising for good PR. He and the others hacks should apologise to everyone that just wants to play games. Why publically disperse the codes in the 1st place? I didn't need them. F*&$ Other OS and anyone still bringing it up in 2011. You don't need or use OS to play games. It's the hackers that wasted MY time with these latest firmware patches that would never have been necessary had they kept it for themselves in the first place. Don't waste MY time then beg like a dog for MY money.
If just Geohot had behaved more like a hacker/cracker and sticked to the usual anonymous appereance on forums and IRC... Then Sony would not know who he was and sue him so fast? Its his own fault that each time he hacks a device he has to act like a superstar and appear on TV shows (remember when he was in TV, because he jailbroke the iPhone?)
what you an other's are failing to take into account...an George just proved with this post is: the consumer does not get to decide what goes open source an what does not. the people who created it does! no consumer has that right to tell any company what software to go open source!, that's what this real issue is about. these game consoles are embedded system's they are made a certain way. you can buy the hardware but the software on the system does not belong to you. at all! you are granted a licence, not ownership. forcing a company to make their system open source is just asking for trouble! if you want an open source system , there are plenty of companies that offer such a system already it's called a PC hardware, it's already made to allow the consumer to put what ever Software OS you want. Game consoles are embedded system's. they are not PC's. What Sony offered was the ability to allow the "Other OS" to be installed through the XMB in the phat. before the PS3 slim went to market Sony removed the ability of Install Other OS. george cannot tell a company to put it back because it did not ship with it at point of sale. if he wanted to keep it he could on any PRE playstation 3 slim. but that's not what george want's he want's it put into the PS3 slim also. thus it's not his choice..it's Sony's ! forceing the consumer's will on a company is just as bad when you claim that a company is stepping on you right's. you cannot have it both way's.
I don't think he'll get much money anyway. He'd be failing on 2 points that the judge wants him to comply with. The getting money and the hosting of the files off the net. He's screwed just on those points now. His lawyer has failed him by not telling him the truth and that is he's going to be screwed. Sony can just say well it was removed because Geohot had said he was using it to hack the PS3. He posted this up all over the place is also on 50,000 news sites hosted as well. It's no good saying I only did it to get Linux back on the system when it was already there in the first place working. This a DMCA court case he has to now prove he didn't hack the PS3 and the dickhead just can't stop telling everyone he hacked the system. He's guilty of what Sonys says right now that is how this law works, people don't understand because your guilty first not innocent.
I just wanted to say that it was the hacking that led to Sony removing OtherOS. Geohot's proposal and wanting of having it back is just bull. I bet if Sony did bring it back, the hackers won't even bother to touch it anymore considering they've already jailbroken the PS3 using Geohot's method.
Why sure... just as soon as the idiot puts a stop to all the pirating that's taking place because of his "noble crusade" to bring back Other OS support... Oh, and he has to make sure it never becomes an issue again! Not to mention replacing all the money that they lost due to the pirates in the first place because of this. If he can pull that off, why I bet Sony would pay his air fare to Sony HQ and shake his hand in public on the front lawn...
What, that too much to ask for? So's an apology. Screw him, his supporters, his noble crusade, AND his article!!!
Go geohot i will kdonate, anyone that piss off ps3fanboys so gkod deserve.my money
thats a pretty fanboyish statement in its self lol
All I have to say is: "Sony doesn't care if what you did was legal, if they don't like it, they sue. Sony tried to sue a guy for getting his AIBO to do non Sony approved tricks, making it apparent that they don't really care about piracy, they care about control. In (Sony vs Bleem), Bleem was the winner on all counts, but the high cost of a legal defense shut them down." "Who are they[Sony] to authorize what I do with my taxed and paid for property? fail0verflow's goal was even nobler than mine. They wanted to give you back a feature Sony illegally stole, Linux on your PS3. It's shameful on Sony's part that they are being sued at all. If you have a problem with pirates, sue them, don't sue people who point out your shortcomings." I'M DONATING!!! This has far more reaching implications than a simply console war that nobody really cares about anyhow.
@ gaming droid, The hardware is your property not the software, you do not have the the right to run any software you want on the ps3 the user agreement states it clearly if you read it, it even states that sony has the right to add or remove software at any time with or without your permission, they don't even have to notify you first, all of the things that people want to do illegally on there ps3, they can do legally on there pc (except piracy) you can run any os you want but on the ps3 when you click "I agree" on the user agreement you are entering a legal contract, you would do well to read it next time
tatotiburon Go geohot i will kdonate, anyone that piss off ps3fanboys so gkod deserve.my money well just incase your a 360 fanboy. for most of us that are upset about this it doesnt mean we ps3 fanboys. and if you wanted to act like a child. then take a note. IF this was ok and we rolled over like microsoft microsoft would be in real sh*t as the hardware sales would rocket on the ps3.
You would do well to know that whatever you sign or agree to, doesn't take away your rights. I don't care what Sony puts on their agreement, if I'm unhappy with what they do, I have a right to voice my opinion. There is boat load of crap in that agreement and I bet you most of it isn't legal even! I haven't modified my console, and lack of OtherOS or even Custom Firmware doesn't affect me, but I don't like how Sony is trampling all over me so I will stand up for my rights. But hey, if you are ok with Sony removing features after the fact and take away more of your rights, then all means don't say anything and enjoy your games!!!
I'm gonna make this as easy as I can so everyone understands.
He's Screwed!! Sony is gonna make an example out of this guy and I'm sure Steve Jobs over at Apple has even volunteered some of their Lawyers to help Sony.
Giant International Corporation vs. Loud Mouth Arrogant Geek = Maximum Carnage!! Sony is gonna unleash the fury of kratos on this Ass Clown. I under estimated what Geo Hot did but he really opened up the PS3 and now PS3 games are free, just like 360, Wii, and PC.
I'm gonna donate NEGATIVE ZERO to his legal fees. oh and heres a big middle finger to you to Geo Not!!
uh doubt it by the time the ps5 comes out sony would drop the case the guy has already accumulated like 10k court room fees after what 3 months do you think he can keep this up for 10 to 20 years its obvious sony knows the guy cant pay them for how ever much if they were to win and they know he cant pay for his court fees now they are just trying to ruin his life put him in a grave he cant get out of which is the only way to punish some one like this
I hope that this kid is living on the streets by june. Nothing like a kid playing in a mans world and not knowing to quit while your ahead.
Geoshot my boy, Karma is a Bitch and so are you.
I would rather donate money to Sony to see this guy lose or be buried in debt. People like this ruin gaming for everyone. We would still have stuff like Other OS and probably more features on PSN but sony has to use their resources to combat against this stuff.
a donation?? is he FKing kidding after all this mess and he want innocent gamers to help with his problem??? lmfao
Sorry dude, I agree with you. Hit the wrong button
This is actually good news for Sony and their lawyers. Him reaching out to the community for support shows that he is running out of money to pay for his legal team. Even hackers and pirates won't help him for long. Pirates don't want to pay for anything. All Sony has to do is wait it out for a little while longer and he'll exhaust all of his resources.
"This is actually good news for Sony and their lawyers. Him reaching out to the community for support shows that he is running out of money to pay for his legal team. " Y'know.....Sony did this to Lik-Sang too and they shut down for the exact reasons you're hoping against geohot. Fuck you dude, I loved Lik-Sang. If geohot's going down: I want it to go down in the court of law, not because geohot DNF. That's lame in a bag.
Sorry, but Geohot was naive. Naive being a pretty generous descriptor here. You can't just go up against a company and expect something like this not to happen. Same goes for Lik-Sang. Throw stones at the bee hive, expect to be stung. And that's the way the system works, how many cases do you think actually go to trial compared to how many suits are filed? They'll likely settle out of court once he has exhausted his resources.
Are you kidding me?! Lik-Sang did nothing wrong and didn't have a vendetta against anybody. I don't have an opinion about geohot but Lik-Sang was a victim of corporate bullying. Forced out of business because it ran out of money to fight Sony in court. A fight Lik-Sang didn't start or provoked! Now how is that justice to anybody other than Sony?!! You can't ever prove that Lik-Sang was in the wrong because the court case was never resolved! How can you sit there and thank Sony for putting honest people out of work?! I don't think much for this whole hacker situation but Lik-Sang was awesome and it died a pauper's death.
What BS. Lik Sang was selling illegal pirated games, mod chips as well as homebrewing equipment (which lead to even more hacking). That's why they got sued, even Microsoft and Nintendo filed lawsuits along with Sony. Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...
If you spent more than 10 seconds reading what you just posted. You'd realize that the piracy lawsuit was back in 2002. Lik-Sang restructured and was legit ever since. Do you even shop at Lik-Sang or do you like to not think before you post? You'd probably win this argument against ignorant people like yourself, but I and many others, were legitimate customers of Lik-Sang to the point we'd use Lik-Sang as a verb. I got my Xbox to PC Adapter from those guys as well as PS2 to PC adapters and import games that were very affordable, despite international shipping. Take your phony BS talk elsewhere. Don't confuse Lik-Sang with geohot.
Lik-Sang made money selling mod chips, how is that not doing anything wrong? It doesn't matter if they stopped selling pirating tools, they started importing systems to other regions breaking release dates. Sony had every reason to take them to court. The only reason you liked Lik-Sang was because of all the mod chips you bought and the stack of DVD-R's you have in jewel cases each containing a pirated game. Edit: A. You're not going to show me your bank statement. B. Oh yeah big corporate bully is making your life hard because they're forcing you to buy games because they want to make money. Shame on Sony for not playing Abbe Pierre. C. Yes, I created my account two days ago. Thanks for clicking on my user name and doing a little stalking. Thanks brah, one love, no homo.
The cute angry Sony-Pony's assuming that anyone that's not on Sony's side of corporate bullying is obviously a pirate. I would love to prove you wrong with all the bank statements and order history from Lik-Sang that shows all the crap I ordered from them. But even after showing you that, you'll still come up with a way to pin the blame on Lik-Sang: an online store you never used, but never fail to bash it. Talk out your ass some more. No wonder you're down to 3 bubbles. I'm going to go log off and play some Uncharted 2 on my PLAYSTATION 3 ENTERTAINMENT SYSTEM cause it's triple cash time. Or do you want to assume I pirated that too? EDIT: I noticed you created your account 2 days ago. Interesting :)
@ Fantasy Star This isn't even about Lik-Sang, but having done approximately 1 minute of wiki search I can see that the last court ruled that Lik-Sang was infringing on Sony's rights... I'd feel a little more sympathetic if if they'd been found not guilty of any wrong-doing. If you're guilty, you're guilty. Like I said, throw stones at the hive, expect to get stung.
Fantasystar loses on this one.
@ fantasystar Shut up crying pussy. go back to your basement. This guy is finished. If this guy had any bit of intelligence he would have just took it down straight away. Now he is black marked for life, good luck trying to get a job.
legit ever since? I remember Lik-Sang still sold those R4s after being "legit". When I was finally interested in one was when they shut down.
your an idiot lol!!!!!
I'm sad on what happen to Lik-Sang, but this Geohot thing... not so much.
Sony has money to spend on lawsuits and geohots is never going to be able to pay his growing legal fees by donations
well, Sony can ask the list of donations and check their ID's...
lol its taken a month for him to be sunk financially.
He just knows the people that want to play retail games for free are going to jump on this. Keep on hiding behind 'liberating something you own' malarkey. It's only going to work for so long. I hope that the pirates keep their pirate attitude getting nothing for free. That would be ironic, wouldn't it? What are you going to do next Geohot? Complain about people not giving money for your services and abusing your hard work and respect...hang on...that would be UBER ironic.
bubbles up sir that was some good sht
He's still winning this LAWLsuit...right? Right??
no one will defend him for free.
even he won the case, he loose like a 100grand to the lawer.
I imagine they green-lit the e-begging pretty fast
Or you know, if Sony loses they have to pay the legal fees. "o hai guys, how about 5 billion of us all take some franchise to court over nothing, and even when they win and the lawyer only costs 1 dollar, they still lose 5 billion dollars!!!!!111!!!!" Not how it works braaaaa.
Um. . . What? I'm not sure what you're trying to say, annus. Please understand that Sony didn't have to hire any lawyers for this. They'll probably have some court fees in the end, but the lawyers are already on the payroll. They aren't "losing" any real money.
No one really cares. Do you really think if he loses that anyone will care? If he loses I will wake up, turn on my unhacked PS3 and play my brought games while saving up for Sony's awesome line up this year. Do you really think I care if you have to pay Sony damages for the rest of your life? Sony is a multi-billion dollar company while you are just a low life hacker. They can keep this up longer then you can.
You do realize this guy impacted the market and technology trends so hard in the past, he actually started a wave that made jailbreaking LEGAL under the DMCA. What you are basicly saying here is that 1) Youwouldnt want that for your console and 2) You want corporations to let companies have complete access over your hardware and they can do whatever the F they want with it, even 3 years after you actually purchased it? Irony.
he made unlocking phones leagal, jailbreaking the apps was permitted as a side effect most peole still assume jailbreaking is unlocking the service provider unless there a iphone techy
hummm no. He made jailbreaking legal.
"For example, if I was taken to court for sex crimes in Sweden, I would never ask for donations"
so why are you asking for money now??
you did something and you knew the possibility of trouble was there... and sure enough that trouble has found you...
you have dug yourself a hole.... and only you can get yourself out...
correction: he dug himself a hole and he not getting out of this
Like I have said before Sony is just hitting the guy in the wallet just to make his life hell.Sony knows winning this case is a very very small victory due to the hack is out and available in the internet.Sony is counting on by winning this case it will scare off a few would be hackers and it some what already have.If your going to make Sony lose money, then they will make you lose money as well.Question is who will run out of money first?
If pirates won't pay for games, why would they pay for his legal fees?
To bad you can't pirate legal fees ;)
there are so retards in the comment section of his donation page saying they will send him money and @GenoZStriker that was a total WIN xD
Maybe because they aren't pirates? Is everyone so fucking stupid and blind that they can't come up with this reasoning/conclusion/facts whatever the hell you want to call it?
because I don't pirate games? hell the game tried to prevent backup managers for gods sake
Im donation $1000..
I'm donation? that's keeeewl bro but I think you meant... I'm donating $1000
Geofrodo will need like $50grand.