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Bungie hits back at Halo 3 graphics complaints

Developer says game is "not trying to be incredibly photo realistic".

Halo 3 developer Bungie has come out fighting amid some complaints that the blockbuster FPS, available in the UK now, is simply "Halo 2 in HD".

Speaking in an interview with Pro-G at the launch of the game in London's Waterloo IMAX cinema last night, Lee Wilson, cinematic designer at Bungie Studios said the team was delighted with the graphics in Halo 3. (Halo 3, Xbox 360)

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Bebop  +   3063d ago
Its undeniably an awesome game - BUT IT REALLY IS HALO2 HD
That's the plain truth. Its no graphics whore -in fact GeOW out does it IMO.

But the combination of gameplay, storyline, past Halo following & MS hype make it big again. Its clearly just an evolutionary product of its predecessor & not revolutionary. That's why it is the last in the trilogy. Bungie realise they have done all they can with it.
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skillednutter  +   3063d ago
...Bungie have always said that Halo was aimed to look like a comic, that was the original Concept by the Artist's and in Halo 3 they have finally got their initial conception that was designed pre-halo.

This has been confirmed by the Original Concept Artists, Google knows all.
bluebrad1974  +   3063d ago
I disagree
First, Halo 3 murders Halo 2 in the graphics department. The art style is the same and that's it. The graphics quality is made even more apparent when watching save films. Anyone that says Halo 3 is graphically bad either doesn't have the game or is simply a hater.

Calling Halo 3, Halo 2 HD is the dumbest thing I've heard in a good while.
athlon770  +   3063d ago
No, Bebop is correct
You guys are being clouded by your bias.

This very game has been given 10 out of 10 at many if not all the review sites, yet once we get it into our hands, we are seeing yesterdays graphics. Games that look better are not given a 10 in graphics...what makes this game deserve it?

Yes, it is a beautiful game.

Yes, it does play very soothly. (for the most part, I have ran into a couple of stutters here and there)

No, I would not have given it a 10 out of 10. The review sites let me down and now I have to question all the games I did not purchase because "they" said it wasn't worth it.

I would give it a more modist 8.5
marionz  +   3063d ago
ok i can honestly say the graphics dont blow you away at first, but its the small things that impress me with halo 3
the lighting is stunning, textures are also verry nice and i love the art style, its somthing different from gears and it makes a nice change

people can say what they want about this game, it doesnt stop it being top quality, im having a great time playing the story mode and cant help but be blown away every time a scarab crawls onto the battlefeild

think resistance FOM, the character look far better in halo 3, so do the textures lighting and the gameplay is a million times better, RFOM was a great game though and people need to realise halo 3 doesnt look bad, its actually verry pretty

being the most antisipated game this year obviously makes it a target for all the haters out there
tehcellownu  +   3062d ago
sorry but halo storyline sucks...gameplay is the best..the graphics isnt all the great
Taker_129  +   3062d ago
Halo 3 is Halo 2 HD
people are saying "oh it's the art style that makes it look that way". Wrong because Rachet and Clank: TOD is proof that you can still have a cartoony look and have an amazing looking game. Halo 3 is just not there graphically and it really hurt this game that could have been amazing. Bungie has been working on this game for years and it's ashame that ps3 launch title(Resistance) blows this away.
bluebrad1974  +   3062d ago
You delusional pricks look at these screens
Take a look at these pics and see if you can figure out which screenshot is Halo 2.

NOTE: All screens are gameplay.

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Gil  +   3062d ago
Uh, number 1 is from Halo 2. What do I win?
JsonHenry  +   3062d ago
I personally feel that Halo 3 looks good, but it is NOT as good looking compared to other games on the market. Hell, even Perfect Dark Zero looks better I think. And it has that "comic" style to it also.

But it DOES look better than Halo 2 in HD. Even me, a self proclaimed Halo sceptic thinks it looks better than Halo 2 in HD.
Gamer luv  +   3062d ago
Ok so we know that Halo 3 isnt the best looking game, but are you Sony fans still trying to tell us that theres no improvement between 2 and 3 ?

Because, there is.

What about the people who dont have HDTV's? If its Halo 2 HD then people who dont have HD wont notice any difference, right?

Its silly, Halo 3 is a big improvement from Halo 2, but it isnt as good as games they look as great as Gears or Timeshift or Haze etc.
Antan  +   3063d ago
To many eye candy whores in the world today sadly. The sum of all parts are what make games great. In a similar way would Jaws of had the same impact without John Williams classic score? Im going to pick my copy of Halo up now and am very much looking forward to playing it. Played the 1st but not the second so i will probably read up on the 2nd unless one of you want to clear up what happened in the 2nd? hehe.
joydestroy  +   3063d ago
seriously though, do the devs really need to defend this game?
PumPum  +   3063d ago
MS pays.
Its simply not possible that there is anything negative about Halo3.
nobizlikesnowbiz  +   3063d ago
Weak sauce.

Some of the environments are simply jawdropping. For the scale of what Halo 3 is, I think the graphics are marvelous.

The only things that aren't impressive to me are the character models. They look pretty bland. But it's all realtime, and theres so much going on in such huge spaces, that it's easily forgotten.
toughNAME  +   3063d ago
to the people who have played the 4th (i tihnk) mission..the storm?

fvcking amazing

and the character models are bland, altohugh..the elites look soo much better than the humans
DARK WITNESS  +   3062d ago
i have to agree.
may be if you are playing it on a SD TV, ya maybe it does look like halo 2, but at full 720 or 1080, i just don't see how people can say it looks the same.

The sage on the ark with all the sand, that just did it for me. i can think of a lot more so called next gen games that look a lot worse.

i had a friend over, he is a big PS fan, but he wanted to see the game.

before i put it on i made him play the second to last stage in halo 2, just so he can get a feel for the story were MC left off.

upscale even he thought it still looked good, but when he saw halo 3 he was like the difference is amazing.

bungie have done well. how many dev's keep going for the same old dark, grey rundown building look....they are the one's with nothing new to imagination.

if bungie and changed it all and gone for the photo real look there would be a lot more angry halo fans asking them why.

i think the game is beautiful, i had doubts with the beta but it really does look way better.
SL1M DADDY  +   3063d ago
Yeah the graphics are nothing to write home about but whatever... The game is fun and it looks ok. It's no Bioshock but it still gets at least one thumbs up from me.
Saint Sony  +   3063d ago
It is funny how people think the NEXT-GEN is all about GFX, maybe it is, but to me it is more like experiencing incredible game play and superior AI and multiplayer mayhem or great storyline and action. There are some truly great looking games out that lack the game play totally. Halo3 is made of pure win what comes to the game itself. What comes to GFX, it might not look like Gears of War, but hey it is HALO not Gears.

ps. I bet most people here can't even watch old black and white movies anymore.
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DeadIIIRed  +   3062d ago
Graphics determine a Next-Gen Console
If graphics aren't important then their would be no need to release new consoles would there? Sure it allows for a little more gameplay elements, but graphics has always driven consoles.
felidae  +   3063d ago
this game looks bad and is boring
TheMART  +   3063d ago
Dude you smoked something or you aren't awake.

You were talking about the PS3. It's just added in the dictionary:

PS3 - synonym for: bad, boring
felidae  +   3063d ago
lolol .. pi$$ed eh?
the game is soo lame .. i sold my 360 yesterday because i was so pi§§ed about it. i'm a huge halo fan but this game is the most overhyped piece of cr@p.

oh MARTY .. you totally want a PS3 .. i can feel it :-)

the last savior for the 360 failed to impress the masses ..


i'll enjoy Lair, Warhawk and some of my new Wii games (got one for the 360) ..

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AbyssGravelord  +   3062d ago
@ Idontcare
It's funny how you've sold your 360 yesterday like 10 droids...
GoLeafsGo  +   3063d ago
Be Owned.
IRONMAN_X57  +   3063d ago
why is thst when games dont look good the developers cop out
"OH we dont want it to look real", idiot this is next gen, its about game and graphics. Give me a break
SofaKingReetodded  +   3063d ago
that's exactly what came to mind, COPOUT

this isn't some third party run of the mill title for the 360, THIS IS IT"S SOLE REASON FOR EXISTENCE. IT"S FLAGSHIP TITLE.

how can there be any excuses for mediocre graphics?
mistertwoturbo  +   3063d ago
I don't think anybody is complaining about the art direction or the water effects. but the main issue about the graphics is really what's up with all the aliasing? There's aliasing left and right with jaggies running amuck. I wanna shoot at brutes, not jaggies!

And what kind of stupid company is going to basically say "oh well, you guys are complaining about graphics? well noooooooooo WE HERE AT BUNGIE think they are good, so they are good! Now shut up with the complaints because we like it. It doesn't matter if you don't, we do and that's all that matters"
SuperSaiyan4  +   3063d ago
Its not HALO 2 in HD what a load of BS.
HeartlesskizZ  +   3063d ago
godofthunder10  +   3063d ago
halo3 has better graphics then halo2,it's sony and sony fanboys that's posting this crap on the web because they are worried
the graphics are better then halo 2 graphics,h*ll just look at halo 2 and 3 side by side and tell me it's the same.the facts are that sony and sony fanboys are doing every thing they can to try and close the flood gates that microsoft open up on the ps3 with halo 3.just last month an employee of sony went on the win site and changed some good halo3 ratings into bad ones that said halo3 wasn't any good and this is a fact,as of right now they traced where it came from and from what i understand the person that hacked into the site worked for sony some where overseas but i forgot where and they are still investigating to find out who actually hacked the site.
sony and it's fanboys could lie and talk trash all they want because sony must be really worried to already made a statement that halo 3 was the only game that microsoft have,and this comes from a company that their game system(the ps3) doesn't even have any AAA games and all people are doing is watching movies so if you want to watch br movies get a ps3 but if you want to play games get a 360 because the ps3 game list can't even compare to the 360 list.the sony fanboys are all over the net saying lies and crape about the 360 and especialy halo 3 because they are jealouse that the ps3 doesn't have it,they don't even have a game that can compare to halo and it's sale figure,h*ll sony never did have a game like if they were not worry like they claim then they wouldn't be all over the net posting all kinds of crap,and if halo3 was on the ps3 all you would hear from sony fanboys is how great the game is instead of how they hate it and it's over rated and that they would never buy it,just like they did with oblivian,they said that it was over rated and they don't understand why people like to play it,but when it was ported over to the ps3 then all of a sudden the same game that they were critisizing was all of a sudden a great game and people must buy it.i even read 1 post where a sony fanboy was telling all the people that have a ps3 need to buy lair to help sony out and to show that critics don't know what they are talking about,well i will never buy a game for any system if i didn't like it and it was crap like lair.
some sony fanboys are claiming that the people that rate games are out to get sony because they gave lair a bad review well maybe the game is crap,even the creator of the game made an apology to the people for lair,but the funny thing is that when the same critics give a bad review for a 360 game then all of a sudden they know what they are doing but if they give a 360 game a good review they don't know what they are doing and they are out to hurt sony.if you listen to the sony fanboys real close you will see that they think that the ps3 is god and every thing on it should get a perfect score,but the treuth is that the ps3 only have 1 damn good game on it now and the rest is crap and the 360 have a lot of good ones and they can't stand it and it's killing them so they go on the web and post crap and lies and try to get people to belive them but it's not working
riksweeney  +   3063d ago
I'm sure you could have summarised that better
athlon770  +   3063d ago
Dang dude
All that hot air your a blow'n forced me to turn my air cond back on!

What, do you work for gamefreak or something, trying to justify why you played sheep and gave this game a 10?
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Violater  +   3062d ago
hush little baby
waaa waaaaa waaa!!!!

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nanometric  +   3063d ago
Even if it doesn't have uber gfx, multiplayer makes up for it tenfold, at least thats what I could judge by vids... damn ppl in my country still play CS 1.6v
chanto23  +   3063d ago
Sorry but IT IS Halo 2 in HD...its not a bad thing it just wont be as memorable as the other Halos....
gameplay and visually is 90% the same thing, damn i even swear i played an old map from Halo 2 last night...i was like WTF!!! LOL!!! still fun though till the stupid kids start finding ways to cheat...
Capt CHAOS  +   3063d ago
Don't give a bit about all the negative bollocks..
I love the game and I'm satisfied..
chanto23  +   3063d ago
Yeah i noticed those annoying jaggies too!!!!!!!!!!!!...
it reminded me of all those bad ports we have on the PS3...and for a 360 3rd generation game thats unacceptable, specially when we are talking about Microsoft's baby...
CG  +   3063d ago
You sony freaks are hurting quite bad lol you cant say we didnt warn you fools.
P4KY B  +   3063d ago
The game looks F'ing amazing on my HTDV
It has its own style.
I'm so glad it doesn't look like Gears and COD4.
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bluebrad1974  +   3063d ago
Same here.
It's blatantly obvious that 90% of the folks in this comment section do not own Halo 3. The lighting in Sierra 117 is stunning to say the least, and that's the very first mission.
razer  +   3062d ago
Yes, the graphics are not jaw dropping but they certainly aren't Halo 2 in HD. I play on my 61" at 720p and the game looks great. I've not noticed jaggies but I do notice some fairly flat looking ground textures. But things like the grass moving and if you brush up against bushes they move, the little stuff like that makes up for some of the flatness. The game felt like a Halo game and that's just what I wanted.

There are too many Unreal 3 engine games out and it is a nice change. Bungie certainly doesn't need to defend this game, the reviews are raving about it..
Martini  +   3062d ago
Razer, dude you must be blind - there is jaggies all over the place just look at any straight line, yes lighting and most textures are amazing but the jaggies take away from the experience as they are VERY visible. Multiplayer is even worse - looks like PS2 game sometimes. Pretty lame to have such allising issues in first party AAA title that they claim has been honed to perfection.
leon76  +   3063d ago
Show me ANOTHER game, despite halo3, that have:
- same graphic engine in two different generation consoles;
- that have 9-10 hours singleplayer (any game with multiplayer is infinite...)
- that is same all of the same;
- doesn't bring anything new to the type of game (FPS)(unlike bioshock);
- that have a lot of framerate issues;
- that have a tottally non-sense game story;
- the multiplayer is nothing memorable like half life 2 or UT game;
(all this statements were based reading the numerous reviews...)
...and than have 9-10/10 (90-100%) of review rating!!!
Daxx  +   3063d ago
I'm glad that Bungie has the mind set of Gameplay should be > than Graphics. I'm definitely having much more fun with Halo 3 than any other FPS I have ever played before. :D
mighty_douche  +   3063d ago
fanboys make me laugh, they jump all over games like killzone saying it looks crap and the usual halos 3 > killzone, 'ha look at the jaggies on ps3' etc etc.... and now halo is critisied for its graphics suddenly its all 'it isnt all about graphics' 'ok the graphics arent great but.... but...'

lets just except while halo is a great game its not everything it was hyped up to be, games never are, im suprised people still allow it to get to them. im my opinion halos down fall was its previous success, M$/bungie where to worried to change anything to much as they must have been worried about lossing their following. i personally now look forward to completely new IP's, its a new fresh experience that 'series' games just cant offer.
THE TERMINATOR  +   3063d ago
Whats with the character models in Halo 3? They look last Gen.
Hatchetforce  +   3063d ago
Some do lack finesse...but not the Chief and the Arbiter.
PumPum  +   3063d ago
The game sucks
Get over it.
razer  +   3062d ago
The fact
that your stupid worthless comment got 7 agree's continues to reaffirm that this site is full of dipshits!

If it sucks so much, why read this article and even comment?
athlon770  +   3062d ago
Well said Razer
Anyone who truly played the game will know it does not suck, unless of course they don't like FPS games, which begs the question...Why did you even post here?

The game is great and only the devout Sony boys and girls will dissagree, my issue is this game was so hyped up that even the reviewers did not do their job! "The game is nothing new" It wasn't supposed to be, it is the completion of a trilogy with updated graphics and physics. Did it deserve the 9/10 and 10/10 reviews...NO! As I stated in my first comment, I give it a 8.5/10.

And before you start saying I need to upgrade my TV to get the full visual of the game...I have a JVC HD56FN97.
Bullseye  +   3063d ago
Bungie are correct.
You've all heard the saying 'Don't judge a book by its cover' well,Halo 3 is a case in point.If you wanna spend your time looking at the not so glossy cover rather than read the story, that's your choice.For most of us however, the immersive story is why we buy the book in the first place, not the irrelevance of the cover.So, do you want to sit and LOOK at a video game or PLAY it?If you become immersed in the story, the graphics will transform into a 'living world' not a set of pixels or textures, thats just how it works. 'Willing suspension of disbelief'applys equally to good video games,i think.

EDIT: Really guy's, how can you disagree with DAXX @21. It's his opinion.C'mon, at least be constructive!

EDIT AGAIN:chanto23 below. Ok i'm fine with that, but i'm one of the handful you speak of.I really enjoyed Halo 1 campaign story.
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chanto23  +   3063d ago
Immersive story?? are you on drugs??
LMAO!!! Multiplayer is what made this game what it is stop trying to give this a positive spin, maybe a handful of players dig the story but that is not what made the game popular...
razer  +   3062d ago
I liked the story..
It doesn't over power the gameplay so you're not all wrapped up with the narrative.. But if you read the books and dig into the Halo universe a bit it's actually a great sci-fi story.. Maybe when the film comes out people will understand it better..
Martini  +   3062d ago
So I am supposed to play the game with my eyes closed ?? Everytime i look at the screen i see jaggies everywhere and it does take away from the experience.
chanto23  +   3063d ago
A lot of blind people here LOL...
And didnt Bungie say that there was going to be a graphical upgrade from the Beta to the retail version??? the game looks exactly the same it did back in know what?? i didnt even noticed that many jaggies back then...

@CG...did i upset you?? LMAO!!!!
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CG  +   3063d ago
To all the dumbass sony fangirls b!tching about halo3 lets get the FACTS straight:-

1. For everyone one of you jealous retards that b!tches about halo3 theres a million more gamers out there who loves halo3, the sales and reviews says it all b!tches,m FACT!!!.

2.Your dumbass COMMENTS isnt going to make a difference, halo3 will sell millions and millions, MS and bungi are going to be making alot of money off halo3, FACT!!!

3.After your so called ps3 AAA games such as MGS4 and killzone 2 has beenb released and forgotten, millions of gamers will still be playing halo3, FACT!!!, wheres HS and lair???? already forgotten!!!

So you see it doesnt matter how much you sony fangirls b!tch about halo3, you and sony will not stop halo3 from being one of the most suceessful games of all time...FACT!!!
Could you imagine killzone 2 or MGS4 or any ps3 games generating this much worldwide hype...NO? me neither.

Get over it b!tches

EDIT..@ chanto23: why would a low life like you upset me LOL this is the internet fool i come across millions of homo geeks like your self everyday dude i laugh at people like you LOL, you ever heard of girls? you should get out and trying get some girls instead of living your lives in PS HOME LOL you sad loser!!!
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TeaDouble_E  +   3063d ago
This is why people like you make this game way bigger than what it is. Halo fanboyz are like zombies, there still obsessed over the first one, thinking there next savior will bring them there happiness back but it didn't so they believe in there own lie's and think this one will be fun. Halo is this generation of Star War but the difference between Star Wars and Halo is Halo will be gone in the future and nobody wont care about it. LOLOLOLOLOLOL
athlon770  +   3062d ago
Ladies and Gentlemen
We now understand why CG only has 2 bubbles. CG, before ripping on Chanto23 for no reason except trying to defend your point of view, try looking in the mirror, put down your sock and go outside and play in the street. Thanks for bringing the rest of us 360 owners down a notch with your worthless dribblings.

And why is it that you think that anything you wrote would be confused as a contributing factor to this posting? Oh wait, you can't answer because you only have two bubbles...sorry.

I suppose you did bring up one valid point, MS did sell a ton of this game, but that is fine with me, it IS a great game. I suppose you think that any comment that is not hearlding the beauty of the game is from a PS3 fanatic and is a instant attack on the 360? Are your opinions of the 360 so shallow that you think anyone that says anything bad about this one game is going to cause a mass migration to the Sony way of life?

I'm done with you, welcome to my ignore list!
Meus Renaissance  +   3063d ago
It doesn't help Bungie with Microsoft's rival platform, Sony, have raised the bar in terms of visuals for their flagship titles. Similar was expected for the juggernaut of Halo 3. I think that general disappointment is what is fuelling the complaints about the graphics.

It's simply because people are comparing Halo 3 to other games. And why shouldn't they? They compared GeOW to KillZone 2.
RINGOFDEATH  +   3063d ago
Bungie sucks Epic is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better
EPIC aka Gears of War and Unreal Tournament 3 owns Halo 3 aka Halo 2 in HD which it seems like it with a little add on's they did.
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felidae  +   3063d ago
this game (single player) suck$ major a$$ ..sorry Bungie.

have fun with your rehashed Halo ;-)

i'll play some innovative stuff on the PS3 or the much better looking Sega Rally ;-)

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