As can be seen from the stats page over at Stanford, PS3 consoles are delivering 1020 TFLOPS (that's over 1 Petaflop) from 41,145 participants.
when u run FH project you can see that around 255gflops of energy is dissipated.
a typical low powered x360 would need 10 xenons to do this
something much better than Playing LAIR and Warhawk....Run to your PS3's you got some folding to do...
Wait 6 years the games will come...
way to turn a good thing into a stupid comment. Yeah its + points for sony, but it doesnt need your negative input. I mean its probably hard for you to grasp, or anyone to grasp what a petaflop even is, but if its going towards good research then im all for it,noone said you had to drop your games to do it, its called play, then when your not fold.
Warhawk is a great game(so i halo 3 OMG me and my friend played it all morning, radar jammer is pretty sick), so I just might ignore you thinking its not .
are you a total idiot, obviously you know nothing about ethics.
please know what your talking about before you open your fat face to speak again
A petaflop equals one quadrillion floating point operations per second (FLOPS). If you’d like to imagine this enormous computation capacity, think about calculating a tip on a restaurant bill, now do that for 75,000 different bills, now do that every second, and lastly, imagine everybody on the planet is doing those calculations at the same second-this is a petaflop calculation.
why hate on something that could possible save your life in the future. Dont play down the good this is doing for medicine because you are a fanboy, just be thankful because you never know what this research could lead too. And as for not having any games i would say we have plenty more then the 360 did it's first year on the market, and all the heavy-hitter start to come in about 4-5 months.
We all read that in the Playstation Blog.You should have pasted then quoted.
I will see you start buying 10 PS3 pretty soon and folding them like no tomorrow, when you discovered you have cancer.
You can seriously go to hell SegaSage.
This was definitely not needed...
lol... its for a good cause you idiot. Oh yeah, and warhawk is STILL the best online game on any console, so you should really try playing it before you knock it.
...if this is PS3 news on the day that Halo 3 comes out, that's pretty sad.
I don't give half a damn about petaflops. If Sony wants to make any progress that really matters to its gamers, then keep PSN updates flowing, and work on Home.
You are an a@#. This isn't about Sony. This isn't about games.
This is about one good thing coming from another(which happens to be a gaming console). This can help find cures for diseases like Alzheimer's.
Hope karma taps on your shoulder one day. Just so you can see that this is about doing good. Stop trying to bash people who want to help this world.
People like you are the reasons we go to war. So inconsiderate for what you have.
Edit: @ ATLRoAcH
You a*&hole. Nah, it's all good man, thanks for the explanation though. Bubble for you.
I went to click agree and by mistake clicked disagree so -1 disagree there.
Edit:How about a bubble for you DarkArcani
What's with all the hate?? Why do you have to show your fanboyism here in a topic that suppose to be all about good things?
There are people who are waiting for the research to be complete and yes the PS3 is helping it in a very significant way.
When the PS3 was hyped as the next generation console that would revoltionize the way we played games, did you really get all giddy for the prospect of running a machine to simply contribute processing power?
All I was getting at is that this type of news is a red herring. "Hey, you don't have the next gen games yet, but in the meantime, here's some great news about petraflops!" That, my friends, is a deliberate marketing strategy.
DarkArcani, we both have PS3s. If I wanted to help find a cure for something, I'd donate to an actual charity. I wouldn't run the machine, lie to myself that I'm actually making a difference by leaving it on for an hour or two, and pat myself on the back. Oh, and without war, we wouldn't bully the world, and everything from olive oil to crude oil would be a helluva lot more expensive, so before you pour your bleeding heart ethics on me, take a fundamental political science class.
Thunder, I don't own an XBOX or Wii, nor did I mention it on my post. The fact that you assume it immediately proves your stupidity. It's fine, though; go save the world by turning on your PS3. That compensates, because you're a good person, right?
Keep on foldin', folks! Way to get the most out of your $600 investment -- by being mollified when you should demand nothing short of the best (which, ironically, is what the PS3 was marketed as, and still hasn't delivered).
Well mate if you're dying of cancer will your 360 save you? I think not. This is not about games you idiot this is about a new discovery way more important than games. Grow up you stupid boy
Well, from the look of your comment who wouldnt think of you not being a fanboy? since you mentioned that this article being post the same day as Halo release and all.
Why are you mad about folding??? tell me?
We all know that it will not help curing cancer in 2-3 years, but at least we help them saved what might be a multi-million dollars project here, now donate that money.
You might think about Sony's evil marketing strategy, but folding is not the thing you should hate.
Edit, Dont try to change the topic by talking about my grammar, do you have any better way to fund the research? if not then stfu about PS3 folding because not only it makes you look stupid, it just make you look like a mindless fanboy...
And [email protected][email protected]
well I have nothing more to say to you kid.
Gerrard, you're totally right. Mate. This PS3 article totally isn't about games because the PS3 isn't about games, right, mate? Stupid boy, if you spend $600 and change to NOT play games on a GAMING system, then you shouldn't be allowed to mate, mate.
Thundermare, seriously. Learn proper grammar. Your words prove my point that only idiots believe that emphasizing FH is a good thing when a BETTER thing would be to deliver on the original promises made in the first place (i.e., good games, which would checkmate the competition, mate).
Edit: I'm the one calling out the maker of my own gaming system to focus on the primary thing it was created for -- games -- and you're defending... a stickball application? Which was only launched when the PS3 only offered Genji and Sonic to support RFOM? Who's the real fanboy, you assclown? I changed the topic for your own benefit, but you had to open your mouth again. Bravo. I just murdered you. Hope [email protected]
And you qualify.
You Fold when you're not playing games. Folding is not a system seller, it is piggy-backing off idle CPU's (including PC's) to benefit research.
This is not strictly Sony news. This is one small thing we as GAMERS can do to contribute our resources to a good cause. This is not complicated. Maybe it is, because you're retarded.
This article was not talking about games nor did I buy the PS3 for [email protected]
there a cure for cancer yet??
If the PS3 can't cure cancer I don't think anything can..
Simple fact that you guys are helping research in possible cure for dieses is a very noble thing and you guys should be proud of that and don't let some fanboys discourage you guys.
You guys do not understand...40K PS3 is putting out over a Petraflop!!!!!!!!!...and they say they are only using 20-30 percent of the PS3 power...check this link..
This really changes how we think of the economy of doing these calculations and is pushing us to more and more accurate models. One upshot for FAH is that this would drive the PS3's GFLOP rate (now typically 35 GFLOPS on a new GB WU) even higher, closer to the peak. Since the peak is something like 200 for the Cell, we still have a lot of room to possibly grow (although it's unclear how close one can get to the theoretical peak -- my guess is that 70 to 90 per PS3 may be the max for us). Nevertheless, even 70-90 would mean FAH would start getting close to 2 Petaflops!
[email protected] http://folding.typepad.com/...
We will see 2 Petraflops before Christmas 2007...
People should fold when they are sleep, at work, or not watching movies or playing games.
There are no adverse effects on the PS3...check out my team (Team number 56396) we are all over 400 work units...i am over 524 work units....my PS3 is solid...no issues.
People please fold!
Join my team 56396!
I leave my PS3 on all the time so when I’m not gaming or watching movies I am folding. I also have 3 PC’s and leave them on to fold also. I can afford the electricity I use in the cause and I would like to encourage everyone that has a computer that has a folding client to join in and help. Most internet attached computers can participate – JOIN UP!
That's some promising news.
This is good. The contributions everyone is making are important. We as people will benefit from the results. It may be years before the research will be completed, but one thing is for sure. It will be worth it.
This is sad for all gamers on both sides. Xbox fans, this is not a post on games so please respect for those who actually care for others in the future. Are you guys sniffing smokes from your burnt out Xbox to a point that it's killing your brain cells? Don't worry we'll unfold those dead cells back to normal for you. We hate you as gamers but we care for you as human.
I'm happy the project is progressing through.
Petaflop barrier crossed and more electricity wasted. Yes, cancer is bad, however cancer rates are increasing due to things people put into the environment and their bodies.
Don't get me wrong, I want to help the fight against cancer, but without fixing the causes, just treating it won't be enough. I'm sure this protein folding is important, i'm trying to read about it, however I don't understand how a protein causes diseases. I guess I have to do more research.
The site says these diseases are "believed" to be caused by improper folding. So they're not even sure, it's just a theory they're testing?
Don't assume everyone else is dumb just because YOU don't understand something. That's pretty arrogant.
I said I'm reading about it dumbass. I've read the site and they "believe" it's related to illness. At least I admit when I don't know something and then learn about it unlike a lot of people on this site. Furthermore, I never assumed anyone was dumb, except you.
You are clueless, truly. If protein folding is too complicated for you then don't participate, and don't criticize others who do. It's not like we have to ask your permission to donate our time and energy to a cause YOU don't understand.
This is directly copied from their webpage.
"Our goal: to understand protein folding, misfolding, and related diseases
What is protein folding and how is folding linked to disease? Proteins are biology's workhorses -- its "nanomachines." Before proteins can carry out these important functions, they assemble themselves, or "fold." The process of protein folding, while critical and fundamental to virtually all of biology, in many ways remains a mystery.
Moreover, when proteins do not fold correctly (i.e. "misfold"), there can be serious consequences, including many well known diseases, such as Alzheimer's, Mad Cow (BSE), CJD, ALS, Huntington's, Parkinson's disease, and many Cancers and cancer-related syndromes."
Maybe I misread it but I don't see the word "believe" anywhere. What I see is that they're using this system to further understand "how" proteins are misfolding which ultimately causes disease.
FINE! forget i said anything. I will admit when I'm wrong/inappropriate. I still think people get sick because of crap they put into their bodies and the environment. Those things can cause misfolding.
Here's the "believed" quote:
PROTEIN FOLDING AND DISEASE: BSE (Mad Cow), Altzheimer's, ...
What happens if proteins don't fold correctly? Diseases such as Alzheimer's disease, cystic fibrosis, BSE (Mad Cow disease), an inherited form of emphysema, and even many cancers are believed to result from protein misfolding.
When proteins misfold, they can clump together ("aggregate"). These clumps can often gather in the brain, where they are believed to cause the symptoms of Mad Cow or Alzheimer's disease.
WHY IS PROTEIN FOLDING SO DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND?
It's amazing that not only do proteins self-assemble -- fold -- but they do so amazingly quickly: some as fast as a millionth of a second. While this time is very fast on a person's timescale, it's remarkably long for computers to simulate.
In fact, it takes about a day to simulate a nanosecond (1/1,000,000,000 of a second). Unfortunately, proteins fold on the tens of microsecond timescale (10,000 nanoseconds). Thus, it would take 10,000 CPU days to simulate folding -- i.e. it would take 30 CPU years! That's a long time to wait for one result!
A SOLUTION: DISTRIBUTED DYNAMICS
To solve the protein folding problem, we need to break the microsecond barrier. Our group has developed multiple new ways to simulate protein folding which can break the microsecond barrier by dividing the work between multiple processors in a new way -- with a near linear speed up in the number of processors. Thus, with power of [email protected]
and on the FAQ http://folding.stanford.edu...
What has the project completed so far? We have been able to fold several proteins in the 5-10 microsecond time range with experimental validation of our folding kinetics. This is a fundamental advance over previous work. Scientific papers detailing our results can be found at papers.html. We are now moving to other important proteins used in structural biology studies of folding as well as proteins involved in disease. There are many peer-reviewed and published in top journals (Science, Nature, Nature Structural Biology, PNAS, JMB, etc) which have resulted from FAH. Current, more than all of the other major distributed computing projects combined!
Why not just use a supercomputer? Modern supercomputers are essentially clusters of hundreds of processors linked by fast networking. The speed of these processors is comparable to (and often slower than) those found in PCs! Thus, if an algorithm (like ours) does not need the fast networking, it will run just as fast on a supercluster as a supercomputer. However, our application needs not the hundreds of processors found in modern supercomputers, but hundreds of thousands of processors. Hence, the calculations performed on [email protected][email protected]
Element wasn't criticizing anyone. If anything, he stated one simple fact that's infintely more proven than your protein-folding hope / gobbledygook: it's a waste of electricity to leave your PS3 running.
But it's cool if that doesn't matter to you. Apparently you find Folding absolutely, positively ORGASMIC, so more power to you. Keep on folding and using exclamation points, Spock!
You're wasting your time bashing distributed computing.
Look it up. It's worth the "effort" considering it requires NONE. Unlike the energy you waste responding to something you have not, nor ever will participate in.
I have not and will not contribute to protein folding. The idea of buying a next generation gaming machine, and getting your ultimate huzzah from running it while IDLE, is laughable (even more so than believing that this obvious "non effort" will actually accomplish something).
Maybe you don't understand marketing ploys, armyless. You've been staring at jiggling balls and sticks (pun most definitely intended) too long to realize that releasing this as "news" is Sony's way of sidestepping the ugly facts, like it's reduced market share, Lair's failure, Home's delay, PSN's slow progress, developer issues (the PS3 can fold, but it can't anti-alias?), etc. etc. etc.
But hey, who needs all those consumer-marketed upgrades when you've got Foldin' at Home, right? Petaflop power! Solving nothing by doing nothing, but making you feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
Nice exchange, my friend. Thank you for confirming, to me at least, that FaH can be easily exposed for what it is -- a red herring... google that up yourself, if you ever get away from balls and sticks -- and is only ZOMG SUPERCOOL to people who have absolutely nothing better to do with their PS3s.
for God's sakes, what the he!! is wrong with some of you people? Its not like thats all we do with the PS3, we just CAN contribute if we so choose. We have the opportunity to help and we do, go read some books about cancer, visit a hospital cancer ward and then come and tell me that any help you can do isnt worth your time. Are we just bitter that the 360 cant handle this stuff? seriously, read a friggin book and quit rotting your brain.
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