An interesting, and compelling, opinion piece on the impact of piracy on the PC Gaming market.
What he seems to forget is that piracy is bad on all consoles, not just PC. Developers can never escape piracy.
From what I understand OnLive exclusive games would escape piracy.
lol @ pic
Actually OnLive would suffer from the same sorts of leaks that Crysis 2 and KillZone just suffered, that is, someone on the inside leaked out a game onto the torrents, then the Barbara Streisland effect takes over...
you could reroute the onlive service to your own personal server , torrent the games and stream them from your server to your onlive console that never would connect to the onlive people. there are no exculsive onlive games, all the games on the platform are run on computers, meaning every game is for pc anyway.
Notable paragraph from the piece: "2D Boy's World of Goo was released without DRM, and the creators said they trusted their audience. One of the two-man development team, Ron Carmel, noted afterwards that he was seeing multiple torrents with 500 seeders and 300 leechers, and added that the piracy rate was at about 90%. This was 2D Boy's reward for trusting gamers. This is what they got for making a game easy to obtain, but easy to steal. Really guys, fuck you for that. "
Jim sterling - "Some people are attempting to justify PC piracy by saying it happens on consoles too. Yes, of course it does. But "Look over here, they're doing it too" isn't a fucking justification. Besides which, the level of piracy on the PC is famously more prevalent than on consoles. Even on the Wii, it's not quite the same, as the Wii's primary demographic is different, and it's a demographic that doesn't pirate anywhere near as much. It still takes a lot more effort to fuck with a console to make it play pirated games. Going back to the World of Goo example, 2D Boy recuperated many of its losses thanks to the WiiWare version, which was obviously a lot harder to steal. PC piracy is easier than console piracy, hence it is more prevalent. Of course, you know that, and you're hoping we don't. You could argue a case for the PSP and DS and I wouldn't disagree with you. I am not saying, however, that piracy doesn't happen everywhere. This was a PC issue, however, and so I focused on PC piracy. If you want, I can dedicate another article to the DS, but I've addressed that in the past and don't feel I need to do it again just to make PC pirates feel better about themselves."
OnLive-exclusive games would also escape sales.
Quoting the article just promotes Skimming. Anyway, I'm a PC Gamer myself, My Steam Games account Shows I'm more than happy to pay for good Games. I torrented Civ 5. I played it not thinking I'd like it. I spent 10 hours in the game and bought it on Steam with all of it's DLC. Mind you, this game I would not have purchased without playing it first as on paper, it doesn't sound like my kind of game. My point is I Torrent games. A lot in fact, but if I spend more than an hour playing it, I nut up and pay someone for their efforts. I understand the whole "Why pay for it if it's free?" argument and I honestly have no response. Vote with your Wallet. You don't like CoD Black Ops 4: Murderous Vietcong? Don't buy it, and don't torrent it. You play an indie game like Amnesia: The Dark Descent and play if for 30 minutes and poop yourself, Buy it. That's an experience worth paying for. Also, Starcraft 2 begs to differ with all of these examples of piracy being bad for the industry. One of the top selling games so far and it's a PC Exclusive. Come at me Bro.
Indeed. Look at Killzone 3. Full game got leaked. Although a lot of people will not download it due to the file size, there are still multiplatform games you can download for 360 PS3 and Wii that are very small.
Well all it takes is one person to download it and sell copies for 10 bucks 2 weeks early all over craigslist. Most big ps3 games can be rented and ran into console. Big isnt much of a deterrent, if people want it, they will get it. The ps3 cant afford to have piracy become as prevelant as the 360, games sell more on a hacked to death console than the ps3 when it wasnt hacked, if it becomes really popular its big problems.
^^ True, its practically an acceptable business where I live. Frankly, piracy is so normal here that people look at you funny when you mention you don't do that crap.
http://bulk.destructoid.com... Piracy in one form or another is on ALL platforms. In the case of Crysis 2...How the hell did the game leave the EA facilities? I'm sure no geek broke into EA and stole it. This is a case of EA Pirating their own game to create buzz.
Yes Piracy is on consoles but its nothing like what is on PC
When you compare sales/piracy ratio between console and PC, it's way worse on the PC which is some developers have completely moved away from the PC market. Some PC games get pirated more than they sell.
He isn't ignoring that fact. However, it is infinitely easier to pirate PC games than it is console games. No hardware modification is required.
Pirating games for the PC is just as easy as pirating games on the consoles. Go to piratebay right now and search for a game and you'll see that there are console games full of seeders. And hacking a console is just as easy too. Hacking the Wii is a matter dragging and dropping files from your PC to your Wii and getting CFW on the PS3 is just like updating your firmware.
So you're obviously a pirate....
Maybe so, but you don't need to hack your PC and void its warranty in order to play pirated games on it.
Don't pirate my games. Check out my steam profile. http://steamcommunity.com/p... All 92 games I paid for outta pocket and even added an annotation in my description if you don't believe me. Don't play on Wii and only play PS3 in my friends house. Stop playing on xbox ages ago.
true, console piracy is incredibly easy this gen. Plus you get online play and not too much fussing around with firewalls and potentially trojan infested cracks.
this is exactly what he was talking about.people are really trying to justify piracy by point the finger at another lmfao.
Killzone 3 is already on torrent sites. PC gamers are not the only pirates. The version of Crysis 2 that was leaked is not the final build. Do some research chins.
I think the point, though, is that anyone with a PC can pirate. If you want to pirate for a console, you need to modify or hack it in some way. Many people don't have the technical know-how or desire to mod a console.
A custom firmware can't be too hard to get and you don't even need a crack. The console versions of Dead Space 2 were available 2 weeks before the PC crack was. Edit: I didn't pirate Dead Space 2 I checked out of curiosity after hearing it was leaked.
anyone can mod a console,its guides/videos all over the internet.stop making excuses piracy is piracy doesn't matter if its on PC or console it should all be looked at the same....this article it just bias against one group of gamers....
if consoles are so easy for piracy than pc's then why is the same game sold on consoles than on pc why? its because on pc the full game is available in a click of a download button..
"Many people don't have the technical know-how or desire to mod a console." Depending where you get it from, you need to do the same for PC also. Plus it's to the point where you can just run 1 program to get what you need to do now a days. Devs just want to put blame onto a centralized area, because if they said that for any of the consoles, they'd get crap from the companies, where as specifying PC, it's a HUGE array of areas on that, and no one has a centralized monopoly on PCs, since you can even build one yourself from scratch. I laugh when this statement came up though: "All I can think in response to that is ... how dare you act offended when you do stuff like this?" In this situation, someone from inside of the company leaked this out, so you can't blame gaming communities for that action that someone else did inside of the Devs. As much as I don't want to say this, the author sounds ignorant in labeling everyone that use that platform as their form of gaming. Considering it's Jim Sterling, so....yea....
To PALADIN, I laugh when you said that. My friend with no modification know-how purchase X360 with pre-modified system and you know what? It even got warranty from the place of purchase for whole 1 year. He never and i said it again NEVER purchase a single original X360 games. Oh! he did purchase, but pirated version for 10 bucks each. He got tons of games in his library. He got PS3 and say what, he only purchase exclusive PS3 games but not multiplat. I think he got only around 10 games for PS3 and 3 of them he got it for free. Here's a fact, he purchase ORIGINAL PC Games only and didn't mind paying because PC games is just SO much cheaper and so much prettier as well as play's better. MUCH MUCH BETTER.
How is it the pirates fault that an internal beta build of Crysis 2 was leaked early, that's like throwing money on the streets and frowning upon anyone that picks it up. If PC sales of Crysis 2 are bad, then yea maybe one could argue this was the problem, until then no one knows what kind of impact it will have, people forget that its a buggy version and largely incomplete especially on the graphics front(a major selling point). You know this isn't the first time this has happened to a major PC game, the last major leak went on to sell over 5 million copies and still counting. Also the author should learn not to generlize PC gamers as pirates, the market is doing fine through legit paying customers.
Because they pirates downloaded the leak, which is theft. And no one knows who leaked the internal build, all we know is pirates are not supposed to have it. If you throw money onto the streets, you are pretty much saying that you give that money up as your property and anyone else can have it. You argument does not add up.
pirated copy =/= lost sale, try again
I download games every now and then that don't have demos for them, just to try them out (I've never fully finished a downloaded PC game). If I like what little I've played, I'll buy it, if I don't, I'll uninstall the game and decide not to buy it. When it comes to piracy, I think a LOT more people would simply not pirate if they had a demo available to them. Obviously this wouldn't get rid of piracy, but it would help greatly.
cuz when pc gamer buy games they can actually do whatever they want too/in the game.
lets all ignore the fact that piracy has been on consoles since forever...
Yeah but its nothing like what's on PC
How can anyone disagree with this? It's just a fact. PC piracy has higher rates than console piracy. There's nothing more to it.
Actually the console piracy on PS1 ages was way worse than on PC.
They must really hate people who are willing do download 40+GB kz3 to a blu ray disc!!! & then hack there trophies!! I can't wait to see the article that says "this is why devs hate ps3 gamers" will that happen?? PC gamer is not the definition for pirate!! Im just waiting for crysis 2 to hit steam! I can't wait to get rid of this money!
And you wonder why Gamers "Hate" Jim Sterling
Yea once I saw his name, I know I was going to have a facepalm somewhere in that article. The guy is an instigator first and foremost.
Jim Sterling... what a r*tard.
Hate on PC gamers all you want... too bad it's the only place to play true hd games, too bad it's the only place to play with 16x anti aliasing too bad it's the only place to have dx10 and sx11 too bad it's the only place to play games like crysis 2 as the devs intended it when you play a multiplat on console you get the inferior product, keep telling yourself killzone 3 looks almost as good as crysis 1....you're dreaming!!! I'm in the killzone 3 public beta, the gameplay is pretty good when it works, the graphics however do not even come close to crysis 1, let alone crysis 2 on pc... pirates are scum, yes, but the wii, 360 , ds, psp and soon ps3 all have RAMPANT piracy...
All those things you mentioned are graphical, and thats not what makes a great game. And graphics aren't what made, and still makes, the PC such an awesome platform for games. I wish some you PC guys could see that.
well as the ps3 piracy is relatively new and still isn't all that easy i wouldnt call it rampant.. yet, at least on a console microsoft and spny can make pirates lives harder on PC its a damn sight easier to do
why are pc fanboys so insecure?...he wasn't knocking the quality of graphics on the pc he was talking about pirating games. all you pc fanboys ever talk about is graphics, but never about the things that matter like game play.a polished turd is still a steaming pile of shit. so i guess by pc fanboys endless rants on how my game can 16xaa and it looks better then yours i guess the true gamers are on consoles and the graphics whores (or casual gamers) are on pc.
PS3 fanboys never talk about graphics on all their precious excluisves and how much better they are than anything under the sun, if anyone is insecure it's those dudes. KZ3 gets bad review site is biased, multiplat game looks the same on both consoles, MS paid for it to happen. Game file is only 9 gigs on torrent KZ3 file, someone manipulated the game ISO to make it appear smaller LOL. And what polished turds do you refer to? The tons of quality multiplats that are on all platforms that look infinitely better on the PC? Enjoy 40 less players in BF3, well back to Mafia 2 on steam for $10 WITH blood and grass.
Yeah, but that shit costs a ton
Why go on about how amazing PC graphics are? Easily the best thing about PC gaming is mods. I have had over 10 times the length of normal gameplay on some games, just by adding mods. Plus you can alter the game to how you wish to play it. Don't like a feature? not a problem, a mod will get rid of it. Think that a feature would really enhance the game? no problem, there is a mod for that. Plus you don't need an amazing rig to play the majority of mods either, unlike maxing out Crysis/Metro etc. I will take gameplay enhancements over graphics anyday.
You know what? fuck this article. I'm a PC gamer. You branding me a pirate? well guess what. I aint. LOL! Seriously people should take a step back to ground zero and think a little. Isn't it the devs fault first and foremost for letting the game get leaked in the first place? Correct me if i'm wrong but...if the developer cared so much to keep pirates at bay, then they'd be doing EVERY fucking thing possible to keep it safe. The equivilant of locking it up in Fort Knox during the dev cycle. Pirates are fuckers sure, but people are too quick to glaze over the fact that it is THE DEVS FAULT the game is leaked in the first place. You leave candy in front of a baby, whats the baby gonna do?
No one said that being a PC gamer makes you a pirate. I agree that this is clearly a case of internal theft, though.
Is that a butt pirate in the pic?
Why yes it is. A Big Fat Instigating Trolly Butt Pirate to be exact.
What he said against Piracy --> I agree. What he said regarding Crysis 2; "If I were EA, I would actually pull the PC version of Crysis 2 right now." --> I disagree. We don't know where the leak was from or how it happened. If it was internal, then it makes no sense to blame the gamers. Also, people who are downloading Crysis2 right now doesn't mean they won't buy the retail version. Hype goes into it. There's many people that have it pre-ordered but can't take the wait and want their hands on the game now. Ofcourse, this doesn't mean that there aren't people who just want to play the game for free, but you can't really throw all of Crysis2's downloads into one bin. As for developpers abandoning PC. Meh, I would expect a few more stats. World of Goo works, but I can easily throw Minecraft right back since it had big sales. I can throw steam right back (According to SteamCalculator, the average value of steam accounts is at $640 from 341k processed accounts). I can throw Amnesia right back. You can argue that consoles are a bigger cash cow, but that doesn't mean PC is an inviable market. Devs don't care about PC because they're lazy. There's a pool of PC users that will buy a console port no matter how shoddy it is. There's another bunch that will only buy the game if it is ported correctly (i.e. optimized with bells and whistles). It's much favorable to do a quick port and cash-in. That's all there is to it. I haven't really seen any Devs 'hate' PC gamers. If you check their interviews, Devs are usually trying their best to please the miserable bunch.
You can't single out PC, and you can't even rule out the PS3 anymore. It's all a mess.
also, WoW Cataclysim sold 3.5 million in 24 hours, Starcraft 2 sold 2.5 million in 24 or 48 hours, to put it in perspective, Black ops sold 5.2 or something million in 24 hours and was on 3 platforms, and it was the biggest launch seller this year and it took 3 platforms to beat wow. The Witcher 2 will sell a ton, crysis 2 pc will sell a ton, battlefield 3 will sell a ton on pc Alan Wake, hugely hyped, only sold 850,000, not even a million so far and was hyped to death, it was also pirated 1.5 million times
Wow I'm really impressed at how delusional N4G is. "The twists and turns pirates are making to get out of a very simple request -- accept a little bit of responsibility -- is truly awe-inspiring" hes right. SUCK IT UP AND BUY THE GAME
You forgot the part where he dismisses all PC gamers in general. "I've tried to argue in the corner of pirates before, but screw it. It's not a corner that deserves to be fought in. I would, in fact, encourage developers to ignore the PC market altogether now. Sorry, but why should anybody support the platform?" What kind of Grade A ass do you have to be to say stuff like that?
Agreed. I literally hope this guy gets punched in the face. According to him, apparently, everyone should just leave the entire industry for dead. There's piracy on every single platform.
He's not lumping all pc gamers together, he's saying the pirates have become a problem to the point where they are outnumbering the honest customers. Just look at his World of Goo paragraph. That speaks volumes to just how bad the problem is. YES there is piracy on every console and gaming platform but the point he is making is that it is far worse on the PC than anywhere else.
"YES there is piracy on every console and gaming platform but the point he is making is that it is far worse on the PC than anywhere else." But does it seem right to even alienate everyone else because of that group?
You know, piracy may get you free games, but it won't get you all the benefits. Getting the actual thing feels so much better, one cause if there are any problems: they'll fix it for you. Less of a hassle to playing the game. Getting online with MP is easier. And as a bonus you can always resell it for some cash or credit if you want (physical copies only though). Plus I think with Steam, it has become even easier to get games officially.
articles like this are trash. Bringing up the same examples, ignoring the leaks of games like killzone 3, ignoring that the leak of crysis 2 is an unfinished beta, how pre-owned games make devs hate consoles, how licesne fees make publishers dislike consoles. So they should pull crysis 2 from pc? Even though the first one sold 3 million copies on pc only? Im so disgusted by the gaming media and its attempt to kill pc gaming over the last 20 years.
Your right.It's a typical Destructoid trash article. The sad fat sack that wrote it is trying to stir up the PC gamers now. Next week, XBOX. Week after that, Sony. Then repeat process. That's what he does. Pathetic.
If you game on a PC, chances are very high that you know how to pirate a game. EVEN IF it's just one step more to do it on a console, the vast majority of console gamers will have no clue how to do it. We can't just refer to the gamers who are tech savvy if talking about the console market, because the only reason consoles got as huge of a market as it is, is because people who AREN'T tech savvy can plug-and-play. There's some serious cognitive dissonance going on in this debate, people are removing themselves from their own opinion...and then playing devil's advocate to protect it. It's a farce.
He obviously plays PC games from the tone of the WHOLE piece, not just cherry picked segments. What kind of wimp do you have to be for you to be offended by it? If you have to pick apart the delivery of a message and not the message itself then its obvious its struck a chord. I used to steal pc games all the time. Then I grew up and stopped. I'm not offended. You know why? Because piracy sucks anyway you spin it. If it takes people like jim sterling to make you feel offended and abused so be it. I don't care. The time for excuses is coming to a close.
"If you have to pick apart the delivery of a message and not the message itself then its obvious its struck a chord. I used to steal pc games all the time. Then I grew up and stopped. I'm not offended. You know why? Because piracy sucks anyway you spin it. If it takes people like jim sterling to make you feel offended and abused so be it. I don't care. The time for excuses is coming to a close" He's not striking a cord because he's right in which he is, he's striking it because HE'S INSTIGATING AND GENERALIZING upon others that don't need to be, and omitting information with his "rant" If the entire article was targeted to pirates, that's fine, but then he has to start adding snide comments that ignore sense. As someone stated in an earlier comment, if devs should ignore the PC platform because of piracy, then they should ignore all forms of platforms, because piracy is on all of them. If you are going to talk about this area, don't slump everyone up on a platform in the same field as pirates. It would be the equivalence of slumping up everyone that plays on a specific console in the same field as destructive fanatics.
I love how piracy is always directed towards PC. What about every other gaming capable device in existence?