PlayStation 3 launch title Resistance: Fall of Man will reportedly take a staggering 22 gigabytes of storage space using the PS3's Blu-ray disc format.
....of CGI cutscenes and loading times.
Hehe, Do I smell....Jealousy?
No you can have those, I will stay with the fast ones.
How the hell do you know that 22 gigs = long loading times?
can u smell sony bs ? OH YEEEESSSS LOL
Oh wait, that would make the loading times too long! Of course they are going to be big, they use crappy compression, and fill the game with hours of cut-scenes.
Microsoft has better compression tools and a faster drive, so they don't have to be huge files.
Why does something that is 22Gb look the same as something that is under 9Gb???
Sony wants us to think we need that extra space but the developers know we dont.
bad optimized programmer coding!
Code is very very small. Most of that space is actually content like mesh data, textures, normal maps, bump maps, diffuse maps, animation, sound, etc.
Your logic is "if games have only been on DVDs, why do we suddenly need 22 gigs?" when what you should be asking is "if a PS3 launch title is already hitting 22 gigs, how long have developers felt held back by DVD-9?"
the fact that the actual code doesnt take up much space when written properly doesnt change the fact that a 22gb game is totaly full of fat, cgi, and other signs of lazy game design. can you think of any GOOD games on the PC, which could really take up as much space as need be since most computers nowadays have 60+ gig HDD's? I mean think about it a game like guild wars with both parts is HUGE in explorible area and play time ect. yet the space it takes up on your HDD is quite minimal and could easily fit onto one dvd (thats both games i might add) so simply put this is lazy programming and sony trying to pretend that we NEED blu-ray for ganes when we DO NOT!
ARE FING IDIOTS!!!
I'm an all-round gamer, but everyone knows this is bullsh*t. I mean come on! How can games go from 4-5GB to 22 frickin GB!!!!!!
This is posted by Kingboy so that worries me.
if it's 22 gigs of gameplay. I'm impressed. if it's 6 gigs of game play, and the rest is cinematics, cutscenes, and a behind the scenes footage of "the making of", then not so much...
They will probable have a 1080P movie showing the making of the game.
lol looks like i`m the talk of the town today.posted my me means what?
But, atleast you did the XBOX 360 article showing that HD-DVD is better and preferred over Blu Ray.
Its all over now, take it like a man.
My goodness, does Sony not have a good compression tool? But that is massive, I wonder if its all necessary, but yea, high def CG videos would probably take up alot but its strange to see a FPS with so much data on one game.
But bigger sometimes doesnt mean better, like said could be compression issues, or many hd cgs
If you xbox fanboys knew anything about the game you would know there are no cg videos in the game.
"We're also going to tell the in-game story in what we think is a unique way, using a combination of in-game cinematics and CG movies" -- Ted Price
And if you're implying that im an xbox fanboy you couldn't be more wrong =D
George foreman eat your heart out:))
if you refer that the ps3 = the foreman grill
Then know that the grill has sold more than 55 million around the world.
It's also significantly less than $500 for a low end model. Hell, it's even significantly less than $500 for a high end model.
No matter how good the PS3 is, the 360 haters are so jealous, that they turn anything good, into bad. 22 Gigs, NO MATTER what, means that games are already reaching that level where DVD's are becomming obsolete. 360 owners would have this game on 3 DVD's! LOL. Thats funny.
This game is gonna ROCK!
I cant wait to pplay you guys online.
Hey, 360 Fool........RESISTANCE IS FUTILE.
if it was on 360 it would be on ONE DVD disc with the same level of graphics.
This is the biggest load of crap yet. A full length HD movie takes up this amount of space. Video takes up way more space than game code and so I'm calling bull on this one. And here is another little winger for you: if movies weren't compressed the hell out of them they wouldn't fit on 10 BD discs.
gamecode ? no, textures, and good audio quality you moron.
A normal dvd9 holds, what 8.5 gb? This game is 22gb. So all this 'They need to learn data compression' is crap. You telling me 13.5gb of this game is pure bad programming, or sloppy programming? I don't think so. It's called content. Something the dvd9 can't handle
Have you ever unzipped a file?
Ok, how in the eff could they possibly use 22GB. I agree, the load times must be absolutely horrendous.
This game kind of seems like a Halo/Gears/(insert all others here) Defend Earth rip-off (not that im claiming Halo was the original, haha can you tell I love xbox?).
I like the fact that they point out that the highest capacity PC game is 7GB. Trust me, any good game shouldnt need much more, if that.
its just not compressed. nothing amazing about that.
come down to earth,this is HD era son!! wake uuuupp i`m from reading the final would take 30gb
all you fools do is make excuses. Like yall are programmers. "trust me, any good game shouldnt need much more than 7GB" What losers you idiot 360 fans are. Get a clue you idiots, your 360 cant handle it. 22 GB no matter how you put it is sweet, with more game content. lets see which game will be bigger, Gears Of War, or Resistance. HAHA. You guys are a joke.
Actually i am a programmer thanks, in school for it, nice try at a burn tho ;). If you use bump maps and program the code rather then using full models, you will decrease model size and therefor full disk size. Microsoft wants you to be efficient doing that because it takes less processing power to render the models when they are mostly code.
hahah, the xrats are jaleous. go play your dvd-player. oh i forgot it, it has poor quality. loooooooooooool
You can't forget something you know nothing about.
All of you children dont know about the video game industry. The game is only 19% done. By the time it is released, we will have 2 not 1 BD disc for you to buy. THis way we will be able to maximize profit without doing too much work. I know im smart....S...M..?...R....T !!!one!!!one!!
Why cant we just stop this goddamn arguing?
Gears of WAR is GONNA BE SWEET
Oh, its only going to be 2 levels.
yep gow is going to be sweet for that 30 minute gameplay LOL!!
Dumb asses, the game has been in development for 2 years. You can't fix stupid, and that's you.
without cutting out content, nor quality, M$'s new advanced compression techniques significantly bring down the size of games. With this technology who needs hd-dvd or bluray for games?
You are a truely brainwashed fanboy and will feed off of any crap MS gives you.
honestly, [email protected]
How the hell do you know that i have never played and xflop.For you information i have.Go play your 400$ piece of crap dvd player if you love it so much,and stop trying to hate on ps3 because it can hold more data in games than your lamebox 1.5
Gametime, aren't you doing the samething considering the ps3 is not even out yet. Here's is another fact, a raw game is huge. I remember Moto GP 2006 for xbox 360 was over 20GB raw file size. What this means is it's a package of all the game files (video, models, audio, text, physics, game engine), this is highly ineffecent and no console could run it at this state. It's a huge memory and cpu hit trying to compile all this. The game must be package so that the console can actually run it. Oblivion in it's raw form was over 34GB and was only 5GB after it was actually compiled into retail format.
Trust Sony has to compress the game if it wants a liveable load time. The ps3 has 256MB available for the CPU so only 256MB of level, video, animation, sound, ai, textures and such can be held at any instance so it has to be compressed.
Blu-ray does give a big amount of space but developers are using it as an excuss to be sloppy instead of using it to create bigger games. This is why Blu-ray is said to be useless. It's because developer don't want to make the game longer since it simply cost too much.
It's all in compression people, remember the ps3 or the xbox 360 don't have Gigabytes of ram. It has to be compressed if they want to cut loads between parts of the level and be able to store a reasonable amount of texture.
Game developers on all other platforms do the SAME DAMN THING. You act like the 360 invented compression techniques.
The MP3s on your computer? The RAW file size for those are 40~50 Mb.
The photos on this website? The RAW, uncompressed file sizes for each photo can easily go into the 5 Mb range. But in the compressed JPEG format, they're only 100~200 Kb.
You act like PS3 developers aren't compressing a single thing. The techniques are basically the same across all platforms. Microsoft has been pushing heavy compression in order to make up for the size limits of DVD-9 (which is actually 8.5 Gb)
Here we go. HAHAHAHAHAHA. Jin, you do it all the time and it makes you look freakier and freakier by the end of each post. You say 'take it like a man'. This is what you need to take like a man. The fact that all 3 next-gen consoles are going to be good and that they will each offer a unique gaming experience. You are only limiting yourself Jin Jam by choosing PS3 only.
That's all it is.
I have seen the 360 in action, its a waste of money. NOHTING on it is any good. Same ole stuff, just a little better graphics.
Thats A Stoopid Comment Coz All Consoles Are Just The Same But Better Graphix Or Do U Think That The Ps3 Will Be Something Special Like. Just Think About It The Xbox360 Will Be The Stronger Console This Gen Because Of Live Anywhere. This Gen Is Not About How Powerful A System Is But How Good The Online Service Is. I Will Be Getting A Ps3 For Games Too But Mostly For The Online Gaming Side. I Trust Microsoft I Was Happy With The Xbox And Im Very Happy With The 360 I Dunno Why Ppl Say Its [email protected]
compression tools are needed for those who work under limitations
why release a console then release compression tools a few months later the consoles disc format has already reached its limits
fanboys can argue about my claim but they no its true
compression is a last attempt for freeing up space after that when you cant compress no more you have to delete content
so whats there to be proud of about compression tools
Anyone who brags about compression is a f_cking idiot! When you have to compress anything you lose quality during the process! Its time to get off this site and go read a f_cking book you c_ntbox180 dip[sh_ts! Goddan_it enough y=of your bullsh_t already! You just got your a55 served on a 22gig platter and all u can say is "sloppy development"..lol..lol... lol..."WELCOME CHANG3"
It's obvious you didn't read or understand this guys post.
What if.............most games put on blu-ray disks could be compressed enough to fit on a regular DVD. You would be paying more for the same game on a BR disk just because it is on a BR disk. DUMBA$$E$..................... ............................... ......................Bend over and take it...........SONY is screwing you all. Who gets royalties from every BR Disk?......................... ............................... Think about it RETARDS.
You know it's interesting that people come on here and just say "sloppy programming" and "lack of compression," etc. #27 is on the money about size vs. content but does no one else have any vision?
Compression takes away quality. Think about how much better cutscenes on PS (CD) would have been if they could have used the space of a DVD.
You can slam this all you want but programmers have had to cut corners because of size constraints. I would say that is sloppier than having uncompressed files. Watch the 720p version of the Warkhawk video or the recent Resistance one. Things are looking up.
Since Sony has been #1 with the PS1 and PS2, are you suggesting we Chang3 to a new #1? Nintendo or Microsoft? Your tagline is really retarted.
it`s like audio quality vs mp3s
Now how about game play? Graphics don't equal game play. Well, if you're a Sony fan boy and haven't touched a ps3 title yet then yes... 22 gigs of crap on a BD means the game will be fantastic? Come on! PS3 is to play games at a high resolution with high textures and all that marketing garbage. 22 gigs is nothing if the game is crap.
X360 games are small and they are fun/attractive and enjoyable. PS3 games will be attractive and big. Can’t say nothing about fun or enjoyable since the console isn’t out yet.
Darkness, I think it was, will look exactly on ps3 as it will on the 360. Only thing on the PS3 is that it will have bonus features on the BD. More space and more garbage but it’s the same game.
22 gigs. Please. It's all content. FMV's / Audio / Textures / all that other garbage and in 10-1 odds each PS3 title will have some added content on the BD just to show that it's capable of mass storage.
is that Insomniac as actually stated in interviews that since the PS3 is so powerful they simply did all of their cinematics in realtime. There was no need for CG.
They will fill it up with just enough trash so it takes up more space than a blank retail BR disk. That way it can't be pirated.
You sad little fanboy.lamebox 360 must be getting real boring.
And I'm a 360 fanboy how?
The games so far on the 360 are weak. Very weak. Ps2 games look better. Tekken 5 looks better than any of your fighting games. Can you say Buyers Remorse for the 360. HAHAH.
And? Do graphics really matter? To a Sony fan, they do. Look at the list of the ps2 games. Look at it carefully. IT'S MASSIVE. Now look at the titles. Look how many good games are there compared to all the crap. Not a lot.
Best way to describe Sony:
Quantity over quality
Same can be said with Microsoft, but at least they managed to release a console that suits every gamers needs. Sony is just filling the PS3 with features no one in here is going to use. Future proofing?Come on! Future proofing means you can predict the future and provide what people will need. If or when bluray fails... what will the PS3 be actually good for? Playing games? 600$ for just a game console?
Why not just buy a 360 for games or a wii or go to a flea market and get a snes. Lots of quality games and the console itself is good for one thing only; games.
You can't future proof a format if they format has not yet claimed success. With the downfall of the Bluray, ps3 will be nothing but a x360 with features no one will use.
And gears of war looks better than anything on the ps3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
First of all, you guys or girls, are more eager to hear PS3 news than the PS3 fans (the ones who aren't in the closet- i.e. all you 360 disappointees)that you never fail to post/read the news first.Secondly even if the 22gb consist of a good game plus additional content such as the making of game and god knows what else, how is that bad, especially in comparison to getting a 10 hour long 360 title
If they don't compress that 22GB of data and with the slow seek times on BR. I guess you can start your game and have enough time to shower before the game loads.
No more smelly PS3 fanboys at the Game Store.