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The Xbox Dilemma: Could Playstation be Trapped by an Inferior Product?

John Drotar analyzes how Sony may have painted itself into a corner in this generation...

"Problems were made worse by Playstation’s assumption that the consumer would be forward thinking. By this I mean that Playstation touted that its online network is free, people who purchased Xbox year one and Live every year have already paid more than if they bought a PS3 at original sticker shock price. Moreover, Playstation flaunted the fact that it was going to be a 10 year system..."

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MariaHelFutura2440d ago (Edited 2440d ago )

XBL is such a scam, IMO. Which is why I only have XBLS. Think about what your supporting.

frjoethesecond2440d ago

Indeed. There should be dedicated servers and a weekly blowjob included for the price.

Joking about BJ btw.

realyman2440d ago Show
MisterAV2440d ago

In your mind man
prove me you're right if you can

vsr2440d ago (Edited 2440d ago )

Actually Platform parity is new to this gen. Consumers should be treated as per their investment.

eg. $299 PS3 bluray game is same as $199 xbx/wii DVD game. This is very unfair to PS3 owners, even-though they are willing to pay $60 for a BLURAY.

No fanboyism. This is a "consumer point of view"

Boody-Bandit2440d ago (Edited 2440d ago )

Great, all N4G needs is another new multiple account (realyman) troll. /s

No realyman, the proof is not on paper but in their (PS3) exclusives and they keep on proving it with each and every new release.

doa7662440d ago

360 has around a year or so above the PS3 in sales

360 total worldwide sales 50.7 million, average 10.1 million per year
PS3 total worldwide sales 47.9 million, average 12 million per year

and considering all the upcoming PS3 exclusives the averages can only tip in favor of the PS3, so for early 2012 PS3 will be ahead

and BTW, max payne 3 is not a PS3 exclusive

King_of _the_Casuals2440d ago (Edited 2440d ago )

@ MariaHelFutura......what we're supporting is an American company that has provided us GREAT games for the time we have had it. Some of us don't have blind fanboy loyalty like you.

But aside from that, this article does bring up an interesting dilemma for Sony. Even though Sony was correct in bringing in the superior product to the table; MS seems to have played the better business game on them by painting them into this corner by coming out to the market first.
But maybe gamers will smarten up the next time around (although reading comments like MariaHelFutura I highly doubt it!) and realize that cheaper and first to the market isn't always the best choice in the long run.

But regardless, both systems are GREAT!!!!

kancerkid2440d ago

Flame article flames.

If the author does not know that Max Payne 3 is coming to Xbox 360, how can he be expected to write an informed article?

Lyr1c2440d ago

@Realyman

......Really man?

paintsville2440d ago

PS3 has struggled to keep up with 360 since it's release. If it were'nt for the blu-ray drive PS3 would be completely inferior. People can hooop and yell and say it's the best but let the games speak for themselves. 99% of games look, play and perform better on 360. First party games look great for ps3 but any console's first party games look great. It's just the facts. I have both and the only thing I use the ps3 for is movies and the occasional exclusive. That hardly justifies the purchase.

ShinMaster2439d ago (Edited 2439d ago )

Don't be so ignorant. It all depends on which system is the lead platform. Games like FF13 are prove of that.
Many times when development is 360-led, calibration takes place on 360 and isn't corrected on PS3.

*Multi-platform games aren't developed for PS3 the same way exclusive games are. Which is why exclusives look so good in comparison to multi-platform games. It is obvious prove of the PS3's power you people deny.
*With 360, exclusive and multi-platform development is pretty much the same.

Many times when development is 360-led, calibration takes place on 360 and isn't corrected on PS3.

BUT YOU'RE RIGHT!
DO let the games speak for themselves.
Just look at practically every PS3 exclusive showing you guys up. But that won't stop your denial will it? You guys will keep relying on multi-platform games to argue.

morganfell2439d ago Show
tacosRcool2439d ago

I don't see why everybody is still dissing and saying that the PS3 is still struggling against the 360. I really don't see that at all.

On another note, why does everybody say that the PS3 had a "original sticker shock price." There where other consoles who sold for ridiculously amount of money when you take inflation into account. Like everybody says that Avatar made more money than Titanic but when you look at the inflation prices and the very high prices for seeing the movie (not to mention ridiculous prices to watching it in 3D), Titanic still made more money without all the extra crap.

MeanOldman2439d ago

cause of sales of the life of the 360. thas the only jab the 360 got left. the 360 threw the kitchin sink at the ps3 last year an couldnt beat it. like more said. the 360s reach and kinect couldnt stop the freight train.

the ps3 is not in a struggle. is the 360 thats tryin to keep its head above water. we arguing the wrong console in this article. sales for life is all the 360 got left an this year thas gone too. cant wait to hear the denials that happen after that.

paintsville2437d ago

@ShinGino
Here we go again LOL.

I do like how you fanbois always like to bitch about multiplatform games.

Just accept that the Xbox exclusives look better on the Xbox, PS3 exclusives look better on the PS3 and multis generally look a tiny bit better on the Xbox.

Whether you like it or not that is how it is. Endless bitching how evil corporations like to downgrade the PS3 visuals or don't know what they'er doing because they are stupid or can't learn ps3 (4years pal they've learned it) or ARE DOING IT ON PURPOSE and THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO PROGRAM THE CELL BETTER. Can you really imagine the meeting.....

'So boys we're designing Left for Duty Modern Farts Part 16, who wants what job?'

'Hey can I have the slightly muddier textures on the PS3 o npurpose because I like my work looking a bit crapper! Also as I went to University to do a course on Deliberately Programming Cell a Bit Worse Than I Know How To Annoy Fanbois'

'Ok Who wants crisper Xbox graphics?'

Do you really think if they could get absolute parity they wouldn't?

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LOGICWINS2440d ago

I wonder how high the yearly fee for XBL will go until the majority of users realize that they're paying too much.

NoobJobz2440d ago

I think people would probably stop at $10-$15 a month.

xDaRkModEx2440d ago

Tompeeper
I wouldn't be surprise if they don't.

Mustang300C20122440d ago

@ LOGICWINS,

It has been 7 years that the price was set at $50 before they did a $10 increase. What exactly are you expecting to happen? MS continues to sell consoles in the 5th year and continue to get consumers that are single and dual owners the CHOICE to get the Gold service. I find it funny how much people complain about the options. What is funnier is how much people talking abotu spending for DC Universe for the lifetime service or $15 a month but have issue with a once a year payment for Gold?

BlackTar1872440d ago (Edited 2440d ago )

Red imho you cant compare the two. Completely different beasts that only share one thing in common monthly fees.

I pay for Xbox and DC universe personally until i get the option that i don't have to without losing out on online play then i will continue to pay since i have friends and family i like to play with all the time.

So its kind of messed up i know i would like to play without a fee for online games but Im not gonna boycott it because they have me in a situation of i pay and get to talk to family and friends while gaming or don't pay and never get to play with some of my brothers around the world.

The comparison between and MMO and xbox live isn't valid imo. Is Xbox live still worth it if you didn't have DC universe to compare it to? Also if a MMO release on XBOX that's a monthly fee on top of your already monthly fee so again its not really a fair comparison.

Aarix2440d ago

oviously you dont have an xbox. All the time, I see a 20% sale and it comes with free microsoft points. $60 a YEAR isnt much at all. Its like #1.25 a week.

BlackTar1872440d ago

If you were talking to me and im not sure you were.l I am actually on a reoccurring subscription so i haven't gotten to partake in any of those deals because i usually don't surf the stores or anything i generally know week by week what is scheduled for release so im very specific when i do go into the store to buy stuff.

shinrock2440d ago

when they stop adding features.

suicidalblues2439d ago

I think it's funny how people justify the xbl price by talking about the "deals" that are out there. Simple fact is MS charges 60 bucks for it, and that's bullshit for peer to peer gaming.

How many gold subscribers do you know that only buy it when it's "on sale"?

Jaces2439d ago

The $50 a month isn't really justified on LIVE, and what amazing promotions and free games/discounts do they give away to Gold members? Pretty much none.

You pay for:

Access to thousands of HD movies from Netflix
Connect with friends using Facebook
Post Tweets on Twitter
Stream personalized radio from Last.fm
Gold-exclusive discounts
Early access to content

Really? I get almost all of what's listed for free, paying for online is the killer though. You think with all the money MS is getting they could give you Gold members something more instead of stuff others on PS3 get for free.

At least with PS+ I can feel good about shelling out $50 a year with free games, continuous discounts, automatic system updates, etc.. I've already downloaded enough free games to double what I payed for Plus. Can you guys honestly say the same thing for LIVE?

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Kon2440d ago

I have my doubts if you even own an Xbox.

Pixel_Enemy2440d ago

who cares. I own an xbox and I agree with him

tobysims2440d ago

Biggest PS fanboy pretending to be a girl to avoid heat from trolling has an opinion about XBL OMG!!!

MariaHelFutura2440d ago

For anyone doubting I own a 360. PM me and I`ll add you right now.

nycrekid2440d ago

You won't get any pm cause they know you are right.

LiL T2440d ago (Edited 2440d ago )

@vsr I think its unfair that you have to pay $60 for a dvd (or multiple dvd's) and you still cant use it fully until you pay a monthly/yearly fee. I cant belive people are willing to pay that much for a smaller storage medium.Talk about getting screwed.

LiL T2440d ago

@Disagrees....... WOW you must be some kind of retarded to be able to justify paying the same price for something and getting less. I belive PC also uses DVD and correct me if im wong here but PC gamer pay LESS for thier dvd based games and they have full use (online) without additional fees.

Maybe my logic is screwed up but someone pls explain how im wrong.

FanboyPunisher2439d ago (Edited 2439d ago )

PS3 is ok for free, buy i dont mind paying a little (PS+ for example) if they would give us Cross game chat (partys) and voice messaging. I'm a PS+ member and I get no perks to the service (in reguards to how it functions, not extras (like saving money).

We need Voice chat/messaging cross game.
When we have this, then it is truly better than Xbox Live.

Xander7562439d ago

Xbox Live is a superior service. That's why you gotta pay. You can pay for something of high quality or get an inferior service for free. I'd rather go with high quality.

MysticStrummer2439d ago

The social aspects of XBL are better, not the gaming. That is arguably superior on PSN because of the higher number of games with dedicated servers. At the very least they are equal in terms of stability.

Corepred42439d ago

How old are you? Paying =/= superior quality. lol

RememberThe3572439d ago

It's funny how much people will pay to stay connected. But I totally get it. All my friends have 360s and since my 360s GPU fried I am now without a 360 :( and I am also out of the gaming loop. I'm more of a Playstation gamer anyways but not having the easy social features of Xbox Live does suck. People a basically paying for cross game chat and the part system.

Xander7562439d ago

Actually, Mystic, the gaming is better too. There are far more players on XBL than PSN (despite what Sony wants you to believe). That's why such good games on PSN are ghosttowns.

The games that ARE populated, nobody uses their mic so the experience is also better on XBL.

The level of competition is also higher on XBL. This makes sense because the original Xbox catered to the most hardcore fans and is where pro circuits like Major League Gaming thrived. It's also logical that many of these "pro gamers" and "pro gamer wannabes" also went to the Xbox 360 which makes the competition a bit stiffer on XBL.

CernaML2439d ago

I agree with him! The inferior Steam can go to hell! Xbox Live all the way!

But seriously, your logic is poor. You might as well have gone with the PS3 in the first place since it cost more than the Xbox 360. Derp.

Steam is free and trumps Xbox Live in ALL categories. Xbox Live is NOT worth the fee. Why do you think GFW Live went free? And yes they're basically the same exact thing.

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Loner2440d ago

Good article.Sony messed up this gen big time and suffered the consequences.They are making a good recovery now but they should be embarrased at how this generation turned out for them considering their dominanace in the past.I find it crazy that even with 360s live fees , RROD , inferior graphics , expensive peripherals etc PS3 still cant manage to take 2nd place from them.Microsoft have stolen a ton of marketshare from them and improved so much compared to the xbox that they deserve a lot of credit

NoobJobz2440d ago (Edited 2440d ago )

Lol at disagrees. You pissed somebody off.

2440d ago
kane_13712440d ago

it isn't because of that.
i think many believe Loner is a troll.

which i'm not sure about

NiKK_4192439d ago (Edited 2439d ago )

...no, he's definitely a troll, i see him all the time...so annoying
hey loner, do you....nevermind...1 bubble

anyway, who cares if 360 still has more sold, ps3 has been selling a lot more than 360 since it's been out...every year, and besides just because it has more sold doesn't mean it's better, that's like comparing ferrari with toyota sales, sure toyota probably sells more...but, who's gonna say a toyota is better? so by your guys' logic, the wii is better than both, and 3ds will be better than psp2. i still think psp2 will be up there with 3ds in sales

MysticStrummer2440d ago

Yeah Sony should be ashamed for bringing their product out when it was ready instead of rushing it like MS. The fact that MS has gained so much market share even with all the things you list says more about the stupidity of consumers than it does about Sony and their clearly superior product.

palaeomerus2440d ago (Edited 2440d ago )

Given how many of the non-slim PS3's have YLOD's about three years in...nope. It clearly wasn't READY when it launched WITHOUT RUMBLE for $500-$600 in a market where Blu-ray was just emerging as a movie format, and developers had trouble doing decent games with the Cell processor.

Ultraplayerxp2439d ago

Your seriously going to talk about reliability? Are you serious?

MysticStrummer2439d ago

@palaeomerus - The fact that you think any PS3 hardware problem holds a candle to the RRoD debacle shows how delusional you really are. Time for your meds.

RememberThe3572439d ago

Yeah... Thats a pretty dumb comment. Not a knock against you personally, just that comparing hardware that fails after months and hardware that you say fails after years only further proves Mystics point and completely misses the point you were trying to make.

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karl2440d ago

@loner

for all the reasons u stated adobe ... u should feel really stupid.. and not SONY if u have a 360...

MS is the king of marketing and people is stupid enough to follow... i agree that sony could have played similar cards though

palaeomerus2440d ago

What's stupid is anyone who thinks 360 owners don't have fun playing their games, or that PS3 exclusives are these REALLY super-attractive impressive games that are so special that they are worth tossing an older console away for.

karl2440d ago

i didnt say that..

but MS scam their userbase....

u can still have fun with your 360 but that doesnt
mean u made an intelligent purchase...

Ashby_JC2439d ago

So I got scammed into buying a xbox 360?

Or paying for XBL?

Exactly how did i get scammed?

Rynx2439d ago

Biggest Xbox troll yet again has a negative view on something SONY did or is doing.

Color me surprised /s

Cueil2439d ago

something tells me you didn't own a xbox during the PS2 era... this is parity compared to the graphical beating sony recieved last gen

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SnakeMustDie2440d ago (Edited 2440d ago )

MS is an american company and they can easily manipulate one of the largest gaming market in the world so that works to their advantage.

zootang2440d ago (Edited 2440d ago )

MS and the US make a good analogy.

Both impose their views on the world, can't take criticism. Bully people out of the competition, pay off people for extra stuff. Claim they have the newest stuff. Meanwhile the giant in the east continues to grow

gamingdroid2440d ago

Sounds like the world has a double standard when it comes to the US.

Where are all the people crying about all the other atrocities in the world? Nope, it is all about America. I guess that is the price we pay for being a superpower that actually cares.

Try doing something about China, preferably while you are there!

zootang2440d ago (Edited 2440d ago )

Superpower, lmao!

The British empire was a super power, The Roman empire was a super power. The Ottoman Empire was a superpower. Americans can't even take Vietnam or Iraq for that matter. Arrogant American mmmm?!

I'm English and pompus thank you very much. And the Chinese are coming!

Edit: I love America! Just not too fond of its exports and arrogance. Which is probably why the east are doing so well.

SuperLupe2440d ago (Edited 2440d ago )

No dude its not the world trust me. I live in France and we dont consider the USA to be more evil than other Western countries.

Its only on N4G that the USA is hated so much for ONLY reason that americans prefer the 360 to the PS3.

Man there is no words to explain how completely retarded, twisted, unintelligent, closed minded and minority compared to the outside world people like Zootang are.
Outside world that I bet they never see since they work full time defending Sony's honor on the net night and day, Januray to December.

edit: by the way notice how Zootang doesnt respond to your post but goes on about the superpowers and the USA this and that fake ass philosophy. Just shows who's the more intelligent of the two.

zootang2440d ago (Edited 2440d ago )

@The Surrendered

Yeah, typical! bend over for the "superpower". Not like the French, lol.

Chill out boys, you are taking this way to serious if you are going as low as to name call, what is this high school? Am I just talking to a bunch of kids? Telling yourself who is most intelligent? Does that not say it all!

Edit:@Below
I shouldn't of said what I have it just gives me a giggle. I like the banter. I don't think I'm better than anyone. I think the banter puts us all on one level.

Nineball21122440d ago

Don't throw stones when you live in a glass house zootang...

http://www.friedgold.co.uk/...

And as an American, I would normally love to support an American company, but as a THINKING American, I decided to go with the product that I felt was more bang for my buck. That's why I went with PS3.

Honestly, if there hadn't been a fee to play online with the X360, I more than likely would have purchased it instead of my PS3. I'm kinda glad MS charged the fee now... as I believe I made the better choice.

MRMagoo1232440d ago

That would be typical of france tho wouldnt it where there motto is and probably will always be "je me rends".

FlyShootRaceSims2439d ago

@ Zootang, the U.S. is the sole superpower! The whole world recognize that but you. Next time another Hitler arises, the U.S. should just stand idly by and watch you guys forced to learn a new language. The term "Americanization of the world" was invented for a reason. I was wondering, where does your country get its SLBM's from again? (your countries' premiere nuclear deterrence btw). Thought so! Next time don't talk out of your ass, it reeks man!

RememberThe3572439d ago

Your delusional if you think that the US is not a super power. The US has the most powerful military force know to man. And thats not me talking thats military historians. Look it up.

The Department of Defense has a budget of close to 700 billion dollars. Thats over half the world defense spending.

The US is also the worlds second largest economy under the EU which is comprised of 27 countries.

The US is also the cultural center of the world. No matter how far off the main stream you are, odds are you do something everyday that originated in the US or was made popular in the US.

I'm not proud of my country for many reasons, but if your going to hate on us be prepared for an argument.

MRMagoo1232438d ago

Lol the sole super power the only ppl that think the USA is a super power is the USA china would kick the USAs arse but i suspect all the other countries would come to the super powers aid and i suspect if it wherent for all the countries backing America the US would of been attacked along time ago when they first started sticking there noses where they wherent wanted or needed

FlyShootRaceSims2438d ago

If you don't believe that the USA is a superpower then that's your problem. How is "me too" China going to attack America again? It doesn't even have a blue water navy for fii(k sake. Attack the US with nuclear weapons you say! The US will just respond back a hundredfold and erase China from the map altogether. Do me a favor and do some research and try comparing each nation's warfighting capabilities. Oops I've gotten way off topic here!

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palaeomerus2440d ago

Oh right. That must be why Nintendo ruled the US game market before the PSX, and then sony ruled until Nintendo ruled AGAIN with the Wii. Because Americans don't buy buy foreign game systems. LOL. That's some awesome butt hurt analysis.