Sony responds to request for clarification on whether or not DC Universe Online discs are locked to a user's account. They have confirmed this to be true; discs are single-use only.
The previous report may have been based on supposition, but now there's official confirmation, which is both sad and scary.
Well that sucks.
Isn't this standard for mmorpg? I thought you can't trade in/ resell mmo games cause they needed like a key for the disc? This is coming from someone who doesn't play mmo's.
@Dragun619, generally MMO's are free (or really cheap) and then you just buy a sub.. This is saying that the disc itself gets locked to your sub, which can't be sold... which is BS
Complete misinformation. Even older MMOs charge you for the basic software - AoC, WAR, WoW - and it is tied forever to your account. "Cheap" is a matter of personal opinion, but it's certainly not free (free to play MMOs are another issue entirely). This is the MMO standard. To be honest I was surprised that DCUO didn't operate this way. Regardless, I've had a rather dire family situation come up and have no time for MMOs, so I traded it in at Blockbuster. So that's still an option for now. Honestly, I'm a bit irritated that they didn't offer a digital version from day one anyway. Not a fan of physical MMOs.
if all mmos are generally like this, why are people complaining? except for the obvious fact of it costing $60
EVE online is free to download and then just charges for the subscription, and thats one of the larger MMO's.
http://news.bigdownload.com... Retail release. Eve. Costs money. Please do a Google search before hand next time. Eve is the exception, not the RULE as far as offering a free client too. Any of the other MAJOR MMOs (which Eve is not, really), do not follow this trend. LoRO, D&D (before they went f2p) all had retail releases that cost real money.
Starcraft 2 cost 50-60 dollars. and its also forever tied to ur account. diablo 3. most likely be the same.
theres always a catch. but for god's sake, its a ps3 game, not a pc dvd drm. just wow. whats next uncharted 3?
no but pc gaming is invading console gaming. so pc style of business is also hitting console gaming.
wow thats so awesome guys, give me pc game price as well then.
so what exactly is ur complaint? if u dont want to play it, or disagree with the company's business approach. than dont play it. uncharted 3 has nothing to do with dc universe. final fantasy 14 will be about the same pricing as dc universe. expect more of these to come out on consoles in the near future.
I can go with the account being locked but to lock the disc as well just seems insane to me. it's obviously just a shot at shutting down second hand game sales
it will be the same situation. Full PC retail price and tied forever to an account. Do you have any idea how MMOs work? I'm thinking "no". If you want a FREE console MMO, grab White Knight Chronicles. Or Kingdom Under Fire 2 when it comes out. I do like how you're trying to spin this story as some sort of sordid exposé, when it's really just the MMO standard and has been for years. Console gamers just aren't educated on these issues. It would be nice if you did an education piece more than a QQ/ nerd-rage piece.
Dude I didn't write this piece... I just agree with it. Just because someone is being ripped off on the PC doesn't mean it's okay to do the same thing on a console...
"it's really just the MMO standard and has been for years. Console gamers just aren't educated on these issues." Could it be because it's a ripoff and us console gamers are just finding out. now? Just because you're used to pumping out cash on PC MMOs doesn't mean it's fair. Console gamers have been buying disks and cartridges for over 30 years with no lock in account.
It isn't the PC standard. Look at the MMORPGs released on PS2 and Xbox 360. It is the same situation. ANY FULL RELEASE MMORPG COSTS MONEY FOR THE DISK. THE DISK HAS A KEY AND IS LOCKED TO THAT ONE SPECIFIC DISK. I hope that it is more understandable that way. Chris399 seems to be the only person with knowledge of MMOs around here. It isn't a Sony thing. There is a fairly popular game named Final Fantasy XI on the Xbox 360 right this second. The disk costs money. The account costs money. The disk is locked to the one use.
Looool! Sony is high. Talk about 1 upping project $10. Cannot wait to hear how those we do not speak off will try spin/defend this. "Sony is just trying to protect their investment, would you do the same?" "I don't care, I don't plan on selling the game anyway, it is too awesome." "The 2nd hand market is causing developers stress and Sony is leading the fight to keep studios from closing down" "I bet if Microsoft did it nobody would write an article about it" Those are the best I could think off but I know they can be very creative Forgot one: Killzone 3...in fact someone WILL reply to this post with 'Killzone 3' and get 50 agrees lol. "Just keep the exclusives coming SONY, thats all we care about"
Killzone 3 Lol what? I need bubbles ok?! I'm not selling out
Why do YOU need more bubbles? To have more chances to troll?
Can't you just renounce your sins, say a few Hail Mary’s or just pray for some bubbles?
funny enough to get a bubble from me.
I REPEAT do not reply to these guys. dont even bother hitting disagree. Just mark as spam and be done with it. Maybe 1 day N4G will IP ban them.... if theyre actually 2 different ppl.
It's funny you come in here to troll (and ridiculously ironic considering what you wrote). It's funny because you were originally rambling on about piracy ruining the PS3 when the PS3 hack news got started, and myself and a few others brought up how Sony can uniquely identify each disc as a means to fight piracy. You seemed to think we were wrong. But this just goes to show we were right. I believe you said... "No, its all the same key, don't you get it. That's the epic fail. Sony didn't randomize." http://n4g.com/news/673296/... FailOverHero fails again.
@Fail Do you even play games, or just troll DCU articles? What is this, #10 for you? I know you haven't had an MMO on the 360 sice 2006's half-hearted Final Fantasy 11, but get over it.
nice speech.......shame you dont have a clue what your on about.
This is such a bad business model. it's actually frikkin' useless... it's pretty much dead in the water.
Except that people don't know it yet and so Sony will deem it a success if there is no backlash
It's bull. The point is to keep people playing. Remember Conan Sony!!!
Wow that's really shady. For 60 bucks I should own the game and be able to lend it to a friend or sell it if I want to.
im sure alot would of passed knowing what they know now.
I bought WoW a few weeks after release for $50.... Works the same way. Paid 39.99 for City Of Villains (which I didn't even like that much), and it also works the same way. They pretty much all do.
Thats pretty lame. Since i buy mostly used games because i just cant afford to buy every game i want new. Exception for the ones I love ill get 1st day. But i mean second hand selling is nice and I would like them to not try and take that away from us.
no resale value..... which means the game should be as cheap as the pc version
The PC versions don't have resale either.....
but i still think the price should be 50 bucks across the board for both
In that sense I agree with you, but because of the console licensing thing, it adds $10 to the actual price. Hence why you see a lot of games on Console $10 more than the PC component.
Does this game need to have such a steep initial price? It is an MMO after all? Why isn't the game free to download, and then a monthly price billed? They've already dropped the price of 3 months as a special offer, but I have a feeling that may be the norm. In which case, it won't be long before the client goes free, and perhaps the rest of the game. The problem will be DC, as they have very little clue on how to make money in video games.
That's not fair... DRM like final fight/bionic CR2, and now this? retail games locked on 1 account? what's next sony?!
Life is not fair. You will do well to remember that. It is worth pointing out that Capcom is actually responsible for the DRM with Final Fight and Bionic Commando Rearmed 2, not Sony. It is also worth pointing out that having the activation key locked to an account is pretty standard for MMOs. Since we are on the subject of DRM, it is also worth pointing out that DRM is a direct response to piracy. People may think that piracy has no effect on the industry, but the consumers see the backlash in the form of DRM and increased prices.
"DRM is a direct response to piracy" And it's not the correct answer, because the only people FUCKed by DRM are legits buying users. Think about it.
You play the game once and its forever linked to the ps3...what if your ps3 quits on you....you get nothing...thats what.
i assume its psn account not ps3 in general
yes it's the PSN account ..just like in the beta
oh this sucks.
I remember way back before this gen started sony was looking to lock games and its finally here
Anyone who is "shocked" by how Sony could do this should check out FFXI on the 360, which does exactly the same thing
MMOs will always do this, they do it on PC as well, don't act surprised.
except if ms would have done it, in that case all you sony extremists would be up in arms calling MS greedy and what not.
Or people with common gaming knowledge knows that this is no different.
OMG!!! MICROSOFT IS GREEDY!!! THEY'VE BEEN LOCKING ACCOUNTS TO DISKS FOR MMO GAMES SINCE 2006!!! I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT GREEDY GREEDY MICROSOFT WOULD DO SUCH A THING!!! Is that the response you're looking for, Dread? You missed that boat 5 years ago. If you want, you can still buy FFXI for the 360 and get mad all over again.
Don't act surprised, that not everyone knows. I have never played a pay to play game, because of the initial cost of obtaining the game at full price, and having to pay every month there after. If they would just relase the game for a discount price say $25, and then pay every month there after they would make up the cost, for as long as I keep my sub. But since it does not work like that, I would have no idea that the games become locked after it's first use, and could not be sold back to a store, or traded.
I can't believe people are shocked when MMOs on PC do this as a standard for YEARS, except it tied to the key. I know this is harsh, but I really question if most people on this site are even gamers. Seriously, i'm REALLY questioning this, because I'm wondering if people are commenting just because the article says Sony, or lost the idea of common sense thinking.
@radphil They can't help it that some of them just started gaming this generation.
phantasy star universe xbox 360 doesnt console lock and can be sold and traded as your please. so yeh some people may be suprised.
That's not entirely an mmo either. You don't have a key lock that you have to enter in to play. You just buy a pass to play the online portion. I can understand that people can be surprised, but some of the comments on here act like this is the first time it's ever happened, when the system has been around for a long time. I always say people should do at least some sort of research to know what they're getting into when it comes to hobbies.
@xbox-threesixty Phantasy Star Universe 360 is NOT massively multiplayer online. It has a 20 hour max single player campaign and all the online is, is missions that have a max of up to six people in a party and you don't ever see or come across anyone else in the online world outside of lobby/commerce zones, like the lobby zones in GTA4. Quote from Gamespot: "Up to six players can be in a party, and once you start a mission, you'll never see anyone outside of your party until the mission is complete and you head back to a common area. So don't mistake this for a massively multiplayer game. It most definitely isn't one." http://www.gamespot.com/xbo... Six people don't an MMO make. By your definition, Demon's Souls is a bigger MMO than Phantasy Star as you see other players and interact with them through level glyphs all the time. Plus it has PvE and PvP.
does this mean no shop will except this game now?
I think that's kind of obvious at this point.
My local gamestation is gonna be pissed then, they have half a dozen pre owned copies on the shelf :D
Yeah this is stupid... if someone doesn't want to play anymore, the game will just sit there and do nothing on his rack. If he sold it there would be a much higher chance that someone else would buy it and start paying a subscription fee, which means more money for Sony. How did they not realise this? From comments in the article Like Reply
I traded mine in a while a go. In blockbusters, guess they hadn't heard of this. :\
I hope they don't lock all games that would really kill me in being a gamer. I only buy new games if i really want them like Killzone 3 am going to get that on release date, but other games i just wait until they are cheaper and i buy them.
Yet another reason not to try this game out.
so you spend £40 on it decide you dont like it and you wont get a return or be able to trade as the game stores will know this. so basicly its yours for life. nice sales pitch sony nice.
It's just kind of a bummer.
What's wrong about my statement? It's not an mmo? Or it's not a bummer? Or what?