Sega are once again pushing console makers to drive sales of next-gen systems higher, having in the past singled out the limited installed base of the PlayStation 3 as a reason why development of new games remained risky.
Why didn't you implement online gaming when you released Virtua Fighter 5 for the PS3? Now that would've driven PS3 sales don't you think.
Man, you took the words right outta my mouth...
To say that I'm currently bitter towards these bastards is an understatement. After being subject to the Virtua Fighter "online is impossible" fiasco, this type of arrogance only adds salt to the wound for having supported them.
Now, It's gonna take a helluva lot before I give Sega any more of my money.
Stupid me...Should've bought Tekken 5 instead.
if sega made a good game surely that would drive sales of the consoles. sega havent really ever released a console sellin game like mgs and gta so until the do they should stfu and why have a swipe at sony when the have 3 platforms to release a game on the 120m install base of ps2 the 23m of psp and 4.5m of ps3. im sure if they make a good game across those platform they will make a lot of money
We DEMAND better games!
blame sony and their weak psn. If a game doesnt have a dedicated server its not worth playing on psn...notice how all the good games with online get dedicated servers....that cost money along with a small install base equals less of a reason too put in online.
NO WORRIES! Sony still rocks even without Sega.
The future still belongs to Sony. They will soon be kissing our HD console's butt.
lol i love this guy! He's so blindly cheery!
Warhawk has dedicated servers. They appear as blue in the server list. Player consoles appear as white.
They used playstations as the dedicated servers moron.
Why not blame sega. The option was there. They didn't take it. PSN works just fine for Warhawk, Tekken, MK2, RFOM and every other game I have played is on par with Speeds that I have played Gears. Do your homework and stop posting crap.
sega mattered to gaming...lol
was anyone complaining when the 360's base was at 5-6 mil?
two faced, all of em.
Take a look at Dreamcast. Now thats a seller:-)
Sega failed by flooding the market with too many systems & peripherials in such a short time
bulky Genesis, Slim Genesis, 32x, SegaCD, Sega Saturn, Sega Dreamcast...
why just they don't do an AAA title? the console don't need to sell well for the DEV. see their games selling...they just need to do some good games...and then it will be sold like water...
take the example of Halo and Halo 2... both together sold almost 15 mil copies...with only 25 mil console sold...
Big huge AAA title everyone wants on the PS3 = 4-6 mil sales (depending on your source for consoles out there).
Big huge AAA title everyone wants on the Wii or 360 = 9-11 million sales (again, depending on your source for consoles out there).
Obviously even the lowest end, at 4 million, the game does well, but it's twice as profitable to make a game for the 360 or Wii by the install base as it stands.
lol roof get your facts straight
resitance was a platinum title (1million units sold) when ps3 had about 3million ps3's sold 1:3 attach rate.
Gears of war had 3 million units sold?(need proof) when MS had 10 million units sold. now tell me who has the higher attach rate for good games? oh yeah thats right the playstation 3. even thou LESS people bought it, the ratio of the attach rate is HIGHER then what gears of war has.
Game attach rates: 1.5 per PS3, 3 per Wii, 5.2 per Xbox 360 ...
Who said anything about attach rate?
If you have a game that everyone wants, and you make it for a single console, you stand to sell more on the Wii or the 360, end of story.
Talk about attach rates all you want (dismal for the PS3, actually, decent for the Wii, very very high for the 360), but that doesn't change the fact that the PS3 has less potential buyers for a game, and, therefore, fewer sales.
In fact, if we take attach rate into consideration (I didn't because any game could sell well on any console, if the game is good), the PS3 has the lowest attach rate and becomes an even worse option.
Pfft. They don't have anything that good coming out anytime soon.
SEGA are a quality developer who shine when it comes to arcade "like" games VF5 is stunning and sega Rally Evo looks like it's going to do the franchise justice pure arcade racing. I for one can't wait until friday to stick the disc in my ps3
they need to let the Sonic franchise go tho as the last few have been poor to say the least
Make games that can sell on their own before *****ing about ANY console manufacturer's strategy.
Heh, if I didn't know better, I'd say Sega's enjoying the [possible] downfall of Sony. What with Sony being the ones to really kick 'em out.
That's quite ironic, how many units did the latest Sega console push? Oh what's that, they're no longer in the console business. Ahh yeah now I remember, I hardcore supported the Dreamcast and they let it go when the PS2 launched.
I agree with everyone else, if you make good games we will buy them regardless of the system's install base. Hell make a new Panzer Dragoon (maybe even a sequel to Saga) to combat Lair, make a new Burning Rangers, or a new Jet Set Radio. They have tons of good pre-existing IPs but they keep churning out mediocre Sonic sequels.
yeah agree let go of sonic. make a new arcade franchise for 360/ps3
Now that you all dissed on SEGA .. how about them pulling out your Yakuza 3? ... how would it feel like? :3
Yakuza 3 will probably never make it out of Japan.
Or Valkyrie of the Battlefield. Be thankful you're even getting that, no SEGA Xbox 360 exclusives have been announced recently despite of its much larger installed base and much better game sales.
i think you'll find not all dissed SEGA, i am a big SEGA fan and always will be, the gaming industry wouldn't be as good a place as it is right now if it didn't have SEGA involved in it
yakuza not really into that much but wasnt bashing on sega just cause of this article dont like what they are doing with 360 either. games is awesome and the games sega has been producing lately just isnt working.
I think you guys forget the game Condemed, Virtual fighter, and Sega Rally. Sega has made some great games. Also they have not been the only company complaining about sony's install base. (Square and Konami have said things not to long ago) The problem is you guys compare the PS3 to the 360. The PS3 was never suppose to sell the same as the 360, it was suppose to be like the wii.(flying off the shelfs)
I never said anything about halo, KZ2 or any of that. The truth is sony promised DEVs they would have more systems sold than what they currently do. Who cares about how many systems are going to sell spring or christmas of next year we are talking about right now. I was defending sega for stating somthing that other DEVs have complained about. OK Konamis was a joke but what about what square said. All of you fans can cover up the truth but in reailty sony is not doind so well as of right now. The main reason is because of price and poor marketing. Yes I agree that 2009 is PS3's year but right now it's not there time and I'm tired of hearing sony fans say"360 this and 360 that" when it's the wii that is killing sony's and 360's sells.
Basically if sony was doing good right now would Sega and square have a reason to complain?????? NO! so stop bashing Sega for what they said. You guys did't bash square because god forbid you talk bad about the DEV who make FF.
If the Wii makes video games, and the 360/PS3 makes video games, they are all in the video game Market. Who do you think sony is making Ratchet and clank and LBP for? Why do you think MS is making Viva pinata party animals and Scene it? Because both competitors want the consumers the wii is pulling in. The most stupid thing I hear is the wii is in a different market. They are all in the market of making games.
konami was a joke. and when they releae mgs expect the install base figures to head north. no console sellin games mean less consoles sold. sony have the christmas period coming up and some big big games coming there way in march. you think halo 3 will sell consoles. now think what kz2, gta and mgs all released at the same time, what that will do for sales. 3 console shifters and expect the ps3 to outsell the wii. also think of sony releasin a 40g cheap model b4 christmas. sony are where they want to be and ms did there price drop to soon coz they paniced about the ps3. they cant afford another price drop and there price drop would of been more effective jus b4 christmas. so expect the ps3 to be a lot closer to the 360 come march and maybe jus maybe thrash the hell out of the 360 in worldwide sales over the christmas period.
edit: but the thing is it aint doing badly. compared to the wii it is but thats not direct competition. the wii is in it own market coz the wii is a console that you have along side your ps3 or 360. people compare the ps3 and the 360 coz there directly competing against each other. the fight for people to buy there console and most games will be released on both consoles so there competein for people to buy games on there consoles coz thats where there gonna make money. its not directly sonys fault that the machine is sellin jus ok and not as fast as devs would like. if they made games to make people want the console then there would be a less of a problem. sales =more games and more games = sales so its a bit of a vicous cycle. all sony are relyin on at the mo is exclusive games and the majority of games be bad 360 ports so a little more help from the devs wouldnt go a miss. desides they have a install base of 120m on ps2 so make a port for that to make sure you get a good profit
edit2; ok fair point but i was tryin to point out people will still buy a ps3 and xbox even thou they have a wii so sales of the wii wont effect the ps3 or 360 that much. i respect that you can hold a good argument without resortin to insults and fanboy slaggin off which i see less of on here
these guys know sony promised them outstanding sales for the PS3!! sony promised all the developers that they would dominate, just like the promised the OTHER movie studios that blu ray sales would be off the chart because of the PS3 which lead alot of the companies to exclusively support blu ray.
then dont blame sega for not having online in the PS3 version of VF5, there was no online in VT3. sega doesnt want to have to pay to run servers for a game when they can get it done at no cost on the 360. you guys say that post with war hawk using all those PS3's as servers!! thats an expense that sega dont want to have!!
if sony makes the PS3 cheaper they will come. heck ill get a second one to put in my bedroom.
when i tried to agree with ur comment my net crashed and closed... lol
it must have been ur pic... damn u CHUCK NORRIS!
Because SEGA really should be talking about making a successful system. *cough* Dreamcast *cough*
'The "next year to two years will be a profit margin struggle," he said, adding that he wants to see "next-generation consoles in as many homes as possible, as fast as possible".'
And why, how may I ask, are M$ and $ony supposed to get the install base to PS2/XBOX levels in just 3 years? If they want to make money that bad, they should still be developing for last gen systems. Why the hell do you think the ps2 is still "chugging" along with a 200mil strong user-base?
these guys know Sony promised them outstanding sales for the PS3!! Sony promised all the developers that they would dominate, just like the promised the OTHER movie studios that blu ray sales would be off the chart because of the PS3 which lead a lot of the companies to exclusively support blu ray.
'then dont blame sega for not having online in the PS3 version of VF5, there was no online in VT3. sega doesnt want to have to pay to run servers for a game when they can get it done at no cost on the 360. you guys say that post with war hawk using all those PS3's as servers!! thats an expense that sega dont want to have!!'
No I DO blame them, because under $ony's model they can charge the enduser directly, but use extremley stable dedicated servers. They are lazy. Other developers have and do use that buiness model, so what makes SEGA so special?
I think you guys forget the game Condemed, Virtual fighter, and Sega Rally. Sega has made some great games. Also they have not been the only company complaining about Sony's install base. (Square and Konami have said things not to long ago) The problem is you guys compare the PS3 to the 360. The PS3 was never suppose to sell the same as the 360, it was suppose to be like the wii.(flying off the shelves)'
No, KONAMI's comment was taken out of context in the news headlines. It was a joke, not a straight up $ony/P$3 bashing. And Square has had a rich history of being critical about console launches.
"And why, how may I ask, are M$ and $ony supposed to get the install base to PS2/XBOX levels in just 3 years?"
Sony has a good excuse. They sold 115 million PS2's, so its understandable that they will not be making that many, let alone selling that many, consoles in just 3 years.
However, it looks like the Wii may pass it and Xbox's (they were only a couple million apart last gen) total sales in just 2 years!
Sony is still selling the PS3 very poorly. Even if sales double next year and stay at that high level every year after, it will take 10 years for the PS3 to match the PS2, and it would still never catch the Wii if it's sales don't change at all.
That is not, in any way, good for developers looking at which console they want to make games for, and seeing not only does the PS3 have almost no chance of catching the Wii, but, also, it costs twice as much and twice as long to develop their game on the PS3.
"again roof. do you honestly belive people are gonna keep buying the wii at this pace? i have one, its sitting in my living room collecting dust, i havent played it in over 3 months. why? because most if not all games are horrible quality (save for first party titles) which has always been the case with nintendo since the gamecube."
risk, do you honestly believe the PS3 sales are going to double next month and stay at that level for years? Making generous assumptions on BOTH sides is easier than figuring out what happens when both die off or get better for the holidays. PS3 sales won't double and Wii sales won't stay at the same level every single month.
I have a Wii that gets played daily. Sure, its mostly (not all) first party titles, but 3rd party devlopers were unsure of if to jump on or not. Now they're on board and have good looking titles comming out next year.
What you explain is the situation I would have had I spent money on the PS3 or 360, because no games on either system really look that good to me. Personal taste, I suppose, but the Wii has games that anyone can enjoy comming over the next few months, and not all, heck, not many, are first aprty titles.
again roof. do you honestly belive people are gonna keep buying the wii at this pace? i have one, its sitting in my living room collecting dust, i havent played it in over 3 months. why? because most if not all games are horrible quality (save for first party titles) which has always been the case with nintendo since the gamecube.
Why has this turned into a Sega-bashing fest? It seems obvious to me that Sega WANTS the PS3 to do well, as it means better busines for them as a PS3-supporting 3rd-party dev. They are simply stating what their findings have revealed about PS3 uptake and they are not the only devs/publishers to state such facts.
As far as I'm concerned, releasing VF5 for the PS3 w/out online play is still far better than having VF5 be a 360-exclusive. The whole "online play is impossible" thing is still BS tho I think, unless Sega was referring strictly to platform-specific online capabilities rather than VF 5-specific gameplay characteristics.
Sega... what a bunch of tools... Next Gen is tough for everyone in term of money.. if they want to make profit and always more profit then just stay with last gen platform...
and i think Sega should not have said something like that loll, Dreamcast failed and was worst than this gen
Developpers are complaining about the lack of sales but they dont release good titles loll, so how this is suppose to raise sales of consoles?
Sega should have stfu...
admit it .. Dirt took Sega Rally to SCHOOL!
and Motorstorm is killing them both
motorstorm kills any racing game to date. TENSE, CHAOTIC, FUN, etc...
the funny thing played motorstorm demo for 30min, didn't like it. played it again from the release, wow i was blown away. i play it now more than warhawk.
they finish Shenmue III.
look at the pot calling the ketle black,in 10 years segas home 5 home consoles,that's 1 every 2 years and they want to talk about sytems selling! now i see why their not making consoles anymore
i like how Sega is demanding Sony to sell more systems.... really Sega? how did ur Sega Saturn and Dreamcast sell ... exactly .. just wait til the price cut(s) and exclusives like ratchet n clank 5, uncharted, haze, UT 3, etc ...
PS: sorry to diss Sega, I actually really like Sega ... but i do like Sony a little better ... and the fact that Sony is still making systems and Sega is not :-/
i couldn't care less. they're threatening what??? to stop making crappy games.
yea, what happened to the saturn? isnt that still like, the uber 1337 hotness?
My demands for Sega.
1. Stop making crappy games.
2. Remake Shining Force
3. Remake Phantasy Star 1-4
...but I think this could perhaps finally end the discussion about console sales. So frequently you read Sony fanboys claiming the 360 sales charts are faked, and the PS3 is catching up. I think Sega's hesitance to develop for the console due to poor install base may perhaps finally kill that debate. Although not for the fanboys of course. Facts aren't exactly a requirement for their opinions.
i didnt see them complain when the 360 was at 4-5 million or whatever the ps3 is on now.
I agree...I am sure that there was a good analysis that put PS3, 360 and the Wii on a timeline but comparing how many months the console has been out...and the PS3 had almost the same trend as the 360, so yes the 360 is outselling the PS3, and it has more install base but compared to how the 360 did when it launched it was almost the same as PS3.
yor right about the PS3 being almost the same as the 360 at it's launch but.... theres a difference this time!! the 360 was faced with system shortages but being first next gen to the market!! the Ps3 has an abundant of systems but its the most expensive plus its competing with a hot 360 an even hotter Wii!! the only thing it has going for it now is the fact that its a PLAYSTATION!! now imagine if the 360 would have come out when the Ps3 did at the Ps3's price with the current Ps3 games an game performance!! then 360 would have been dead by now!!MS knew they couldnt let sony beat them to the market for that reason!!
Gnothe1 - Whilst I acknoledge shortages, Sony did not realease their console worldwide. Europe, part of Asia and Australia were all waiting another 4-8 months before release, that would have effected sales because the PS3 was not out last Christmas in the 3rd biggest territory. Yes Microsoft did well and have continued to do well, but other companies have had problems aswell.
Sega should start by making games like they used to, the public have been crying out for Shenmue for how long? When was the last decent Sonic game? IMO Sega should start looking at their own company, see how games have changed and start making games fun and imaginative, kinda like they used to.
Nothing like a bit o' fallacious reasoning on a Monday.
Great games sell consoles, grow the user base. Sega wants the userbase to grow, but without developing the great games that push the console. Sega should have just said "We want everyone else to invest in software development for the PS3, that way we'll take less risk in developing."
wow i love sega..wait no i dont..I serioulsy couldnt care less if sega stopped making games period because of their games except VF5 have sucked monkey balls...They've released sonic and all platforms and got horrible ratings..maybe sega you should focus on your franchise game that got you your name in the first place and stop being a biatch about PS3 sales which are gonna freakin rockin the end of this year and 2008 and then you will kissing sony's ass for making that stupid remark...PS3 rocks FTW
They've milked Sonic for all he's worth and the last good game was Sonic Adventure 1 on Dreamcast. Everything else Sega puts out either has great character design, but poor level design(Shinobi), or is crap right out the gate. So I think they should keep their "demands" to themselves and work on a decent next gen title that's worth buying!
It's funny to see a company like SEGA to ask Sony to lose more money in a price cut, so SEGA can get rewarded. SEGA is only out for SEGA.
If SEGA wants a bigger install base then create a game that generates sales like Halo 3 is doing. Until then they should shut-up or wait until they feel the install base is bigger and release their games.
Sony as of today is moving the consoles just as well as the Xbox 360 did their first year. It's the Wii system that is making Sony look bad.
Great games always generate better sales for the consoles.
I mean the Ps3 is at 6.4mil that's pretty good considering the high price tag. don't hate because Sony put you out of the console business.
sega is full of $H** ,whatever happened to better games???????
why don't they try making better games? sonic the hedgehog was one of the worse games i have ever played with mroe loading time then gameplay. full auto wasnt that great either o_0
Since when does a game console developer that went out of business DUE TO SONY have the right to tell Sony what to do?
Bunch of idiots, go back to making your crappy sonic games already<<
Yet another company, dissing on the ps3 and heres my problem with it. First, Sega really hasn't brought anything to the table to sell consoles. Hell, virtual fighter and Rally games are games that don't sell to masses. I'm sorry but fighters or fighting games are dead, and rally games don't appeal to the masses. Sonic is done, give up on that franchise. Condemned and Virtua Tennis 3 were the only titles I bought this year and they were on the 360. Sega, I would have bought virtua tennis 3 for ps3 if would have put online on it, but it seems you left online off for the ps3 and put it on the 360 version instead. What was that all about.
hey Sega is right and if sony dont like the statement stop doing business with them..
see how simple that is..but we all know that won't happen, why because Sony needs games....
continue to wait..
Before this post was made, I can guarantee, literally guarantee that any of the now Sega detractors wouldn't have had a bad word to say about Sega. But now that Sega have said "Not enough consoles have been sold for us to consider it safe to pay development costs" suddenly Sega is the worst developer on the planet! Hahahaha! Ahhh, Sonysexuals are a fickle sort.
I do not see Sega as that bad a games developer, however what struck me about this is....
Sega used to be like EA and make quality, fun and inovative software, but recently they have seemed to lose their way and whilst their games are not total trash (3DO Army Men games), they are not of their old standard. Example the other day about not having to steer on Sega Rally.
Now they are moaning about PS3 sales, now I will admit they are not quite on par with the Wii, but they are not quite as dire as people make out.
IMO Sega should take a long hard look at themselves, yes Sony need more sales so companies can be sure of a profit, but the big guns are not out yet for Sony. Final Fantasy will sell over 7 million copies, Metal Gear over 5 million copies and Gran Turismo over 7 million copies. And not every PS3 owner will own all 3 of those games.
I guess they should have known better than bet on the ps3, so unless they want to go bankrupt i wouldn't put anything on sony ever again.
This is stupid, pretend the PS3 and the XBOX 360 is in a race. The X360 has like a lap around the PS3, befor the PS3 jumps in. So the PS3 has to run all the way around the track just to catch up to the X360 and expect them to pass them while the X360 is still running. Damn Sega must have some high ass expectations!
Seriously why do any consoles go with sega anyway?
Yeah, Sony should follow the way Sega does biz, just like how well they did with Dramcast, then shut down 70% of the company and went 3rd partie
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