Gamersmint writes: SCEA President, Jack Tretton didn’t expect people to buy Kinect at the price tag it came with and was taken aback by its success.
Jack, people will be spending whatever you price the PSP2 at, atleast I'll.
and iam gonna sell all my plants + my neighbors to get the psp2...whatever it takes
You ever see some of those fake women? They like to nag and complain about what and how other people do things and get so wrapped up in hating on someone that they don't realize that their perfect life has took a turn for the worst while they were neglecting it! People with common sense might understand what i'm talking about, but for you simple minded individuals, it means you should worry about what's on your plate and not worry about what others are eating and trying to tell them if they like it or not!
I agree with him. Remember when the price was announced?? People, including Pachter, predicted that Kinect would be too expensive for the casual consumer. Look where it is now 0_o
I said it then, and I'm saying it again. MS did extensive research on the price point, so it wasn't just brought on from the left field. They even publicly tested the price by having etailers allow pre-orders for the item at $150 all the while denying the official price. That is them testing the market.
he wasn't talkin shit about microsoft or kinect, this is kind of out of context, because i read that interview, people just take anything anyone high up says and flips it around...but some of them are plain dumb, not sayin any names *cough* patcher *cough*
You dare compare an amazing device like the PSP2 to a shitty little webcam that can only play on-rail games? lol
$500 million in advertising for a product aimed at soccer moms and families can do that for you.
He wasn't the only one. There were a number of industry analysts, vocal developers and even the head of retail chains in the UK who are all on record saying they doubted the sales potential of a $150 add on. I myself was one of those who couldn't believe people would spend almost as much as the Wii itself to play, what looked like to me, games that you could already get on the Wii. Turns out we were all wrong. But then I'm still left scratching my head why the Wii's such a success when the 360, a much more complete console, can't touch the Wii's numbers despite being similarly priced. I never would have predicted the Wii would walk away with this gen either.
"Turns out we were all wrong. But then I'm still left scratching my head why the Wii's such a success when the 360, a much more complete console" Well I said the same about the Nintendo DS while the original PSP is still out... Forget the hardware specs, Nintendo looses. So what are they doing different. It's the "Market Demographics" There is plenty of junkware on all consoles.
This gen isn't even close to over yet. Its only just now 5 years in. And wait until the PS3 hits $200, you'll be blown away by the numbers.
If you read the article you can see where the interviewers was going with the questions. The interviewer brought up the 3DS and so Jack showing that he is not afraid of competition stated what he did.
its called marketing tretton, marketing!
Live and learn Jack, maybe if you had released it and not scraped the idea at it being more expensive you'd be the one laughing now.(look it up) Not that it's his fault either i'm sure the heads at Japan didn't expect it either. Oh well there is another lesson to be learned here, correct marketing make for good performance.
yup theres people stupid to spend 150$ for something useless with no hardcore games
Those would be the casuals cause no core gamer would buy Kinect expecting a core experience. Devs will make games for the largest audience and thats the casuals. SO you can expect a ton of casual games on the 360 because of kinect. Not that its a bad thing cause there are way more casuals then core gamers and buisness is about making money
there isn't more casual gamers then core gamers, it's just that the core crowd is divided by sony, m$ and the high end pc adopters. add all those up and you have your core gaming crowd.
Then who bought the 70.90 million wiis? Are you telling me that it was all core gamers who bought that console?
And 500M DOLLARS in ADVERTISING helped a little bit lol
500m dollar advertising wasn't spend in one single fall, you muppet. It is for couple of year, across every territory. In reply to Jack, when it comes to 360 fanboys, nothing surprises me any more. If next xbox ends up being just kinect 2 , they will be all over it and sell us story how amazing it is.
@iamback... Its not only fanboys. Your comment seems to be biased to the PS3 side a little dont you think. MS used marketing, but you shouldn't knock something down that you havent used..I personally wouldnt buy kinect but tried it in store with some friends, it was quite fun and if some parents think it will help kids exercise they would buy it without hesitation. There are a number of factors why kinect sold so well, not just every xbox owner is an idiot.
Someone needs to do his research before calling people muppets. That $500 million was for the holiday season of 2010. It wasn't for a single fall. It was for a single winter. http://www.1up.com/news/mic...
@tony- So everyone who isn't in the market for hardcore games is stupid? LOL...u do realize that casual gamers are the ones keeping this industry afloat right? More people have spent more money on "casual" gaming(Wii Fit, Wii Play, the DS, and the Wii) in the past 4 years then ANY other audience in this industry. Only on N4G would you get 7 agrees for saying something so retarded. "That's because Jack's a class act (unlike Aaron Greenberg who's a profession troll)." Yes, a Microsoft marketing agent who uses sales to market Microsoft is a troll. By your logic, every marketing agent who decides to do his/her job is a troll lol.
Jack Tretton is a class act and has brought the PS3 back from the dead tho the Asians wouldn't know it. I hope he ends up somewhere else making a boat load of money. The PS3 camp is in shambles this morning with news of how M$ cleaned house and ran the table on Sony over the holidays. No biggie, look at the Wii...it's STILL killing everyone else and the thing can't even play a DvD...O_o
If they are targeting the hardcore they are doing it wrong. How many hardcore gamers are going to spend 400 plus on a handheld just to play games you could play on your console. That amount of money is good for 8~15 games you could buy for console. No i think the 3DS will probably defeat it big time in sales only because of the DS name. But i could be wrong and the market is in for a High tech(those specs are marvelous jaw dropping marvelous) handheld. But i think tablets have a better way of grabbing the mobile market.
Honestly... I didn't think so many people would be buying Kinect or PS Move... I'm still not interested in any of them.
I have both and i've barely used them.
"yup theres people stupid to spend 150$ for something useless with no hardcore games" you know what is even dumber, fanboys praising/paying for a $300 handheld @below - i don't ride the fuc'n bus to work like your broke ass. nor do i even use handheld gaming systems. you might be lead by your douchebag tendencies to have a psphone there marcus but not me.
How much did your phone cost you.... and what do you end up using it for... we're all lead by our wallets dipshit. Edit: apply dipshit part only if you dont see the hippocrisy from us all.
And who are you to call people stupid that you don't even know?
If people enjoy kinect let them buy it, why are you crying?
what you mean like the psp2 except its $600 with no hardcore games. least microsoft made something new and didnt rip off the wii then go make a hand held that ripped off the DS and iphone.
I was surprised too, considering it didn't have any "must have" games at launch. Note how Jack didn't cry about kinect's success.
That's because Jack's a class act (unlike Aaron Greenberg who's a profession troll).
Yep, I didn't either. Didn't think the iPad would sell either. I've come to the conclusion if I think it sucks, the rest of the world doesn't.
same boat sadly i mean come on it a giant i phone and people were like NO TS NOT....yeah it is camera only games suck ,and yes PS eye counts as well, kinect is revolutionary....well it just allows you to do PS eye stuff better. it didn't change how you do it it just tracks better well voice control....really!!! they took crap ps eye game play and made it better but it still Crap gameplay THIS WORLD
Never underestimate a consumer. They will always buy what they want not what you think they should.
Its all down to marketing. And is basicly making people feel the need to buy the product even if they want it or not.
i hate to tell ya Tretton but that's what a 500 million marketing budget can do.
That still doesn't guarantee sales. Good marketing is great to get the word out to as many people as possible, but impulse buys on something like this will only go so far. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of Kinect sales were due to word of mouth or trying it out at a friend's house.
it hardly has any games......there hasnt been a single game since launch and the ones that seem to be coming are underwhelming
It was something new to the consumer. Of course there was the PS eye but it did not nearly have as much advertising and showcases as kinect. With all that it was deemed the new gadget to have and clearly it worked. I personaly dont have Kinect but as americans we always have to have the newest things no matter the price. It comes with our culture. Edit: Now I bet Jack is thinking they could raise the price on NGP a little more ;/
so he mean people stupid to buy kinect for 150$ ???
i didnt think people would want to spend 300 dollars on a console that sony would lease out
oh your funny, i say did you hear that from someone because i have a hard time believing you could come up with that on your own. maybe on tv or the radio, well i am impressed. look at you you a real man now, using big words and all like console. if your parents could see you know, boi you have gotten so funny
Hmmm that has got to be the weirdest response i have received on here ever. But whatever be as childish as you want(im 23 have my own place own a 360 and a ps3) Im entitled to feel annoyed when a company try to hypocritically try to take the high ground on pricing(Im on my third ps3 first one bought for 425 pounds at launch which ultimately broke 5 months later broke next one for 350 with insurance luckily the insurance covered the third 11 months later)
@outwar: remember those creepy people your parents warned you about as a child? That's him.
@ nexgen lol thx nice to see not everyone on here acting as if they receive paychecks from sony or ms or act like the weirdo above
I was surprised too, I'll be honest. But in retrospect I think people are a lot more interested in the hardware itself than the platform. That makes a lot more sense. Once the open PC drivers appeared, it was very clear that it was going to move well and inevitably will show up on PC too. I still question its benefit for the developers of its games and the gaming community.
You have know idea lol. I'm in college for game design and they keep a stock of all current gen platforms in some of the class rooms. They bought kinect for the SOLE PURPOSE of hacking it and letting the students make their own programs for it lol. Edit: thx outward
..... I hate typos -_-
lol at typo in my name but yh np :)
let be honest here , microsoft did a 500m markating and the kinect is not even close at 500m sales so what did they won exactly ? they lost money so they spended 500m to win what approx idk 6 million? what a waste im sure if they didnt did the markating the sale would have been good anyway
they arent spending that money on kinect for the sole benefits of the 360 obviously . it's a tech they intend to shove to pc , future xbox consoles and maybe a few "intelligent" tvs .
lol, something tells me the subtleties of marketing are lost on you.
Huh? If kinect sold 8million units which is what MS are reporting at $150 each, that would put total revenue at $1.2billion which is easily more than the marketing budget.. Of course that would not come close to covering R&D or the manufacturing costs but it still proves you're bad at maths..
are you serious man? You know that's not sold right? That's number is how many they have shipped. Of course they're going to say sold but the truth is they only "shipped" 8 million. IGN: http://xbox360.ign.com/arti... ha, you really thought they sold that many. LMAO, how gullible can you be?
MS would get their money once the unit has been ordered/shipped to the supplier so it hardly matters whether the numbers are shipped or sold for them. Now I realize that they would not receive the whole $150 as the suppliers and retailers have to make a profit but the point still stands. So don't be a dick, once they've shipped/sold the unit to the supplier they've got their money so they are happy, hence why it is in their fiscal report.
I hope you didn't major in Market/Business at university....
i hope u can stfu xbot
Yes, unbelievable... and i'm one of them. I used Kinect once, my gf twice.... now it's there, completely useless. My worse purchase ever. Not for the games (horrible for now...), not for the fun factor under 0 (personal tastes)... but because it stops tracking me every 2 minutes. Defective device? I thought so, they sobstituted it. And the new one? The same. "Come closer", "Go back", "Detecting player".... Oh well, i wait and hope for better games and some update for the software. P.S. i know ppl will disagree on this, since a fanboy doesn't understand the difference between a personal experience and trolling. Well, everyone is free to see my profile of the 360, since i unlocked trophies for that crap of Kinect Adventures P.P.S. i admit the potential of the device, i'm not saying it's horrible or something. I just say that it's my worse purchase ever since it doesn't work as intended (or better, as i wanted). Damn, can't complete a session without getting positions/tracking problems.... and it's too expensove for what it offers (now).
And here you are the fanboys disagreeing. Oh well, i could say that the device is crap and worhtless. So at least now the disagrees are justified. Oh wait, i understand now!!! Ppl disagreed with me cause i bought it! Ok, i know, i was a stupid ;) Just need to find someone i can sell it to
Phantom disagrees that don't even bother to argue. And to argue what? Some guy's opinion? Stay classy, N4G.
Agree with you ShinnokDrako. I've tried it out, and it's fun for about the first 20 minutes but then after than it's fun factor plummets. They best game they had for was a game by Harmonix. I just think people like dancing games though. I mean look at "Just Dance" for the Wii. It's sold like 5 million copies in the first two weeks.
real gamers didnt,the moms and grannies did for all there fat kids and grand kids,thought maybe that moving around would get them doing smoething lol
We know Tretton, you and Sony are clueless always. Like a PS3 for 600 USD/Euro because if one cannot afford it they'll take a 2nd job right? Or a redone psp without an umd drive and try to sell it for 250 usd/Euro while a psp with umd costs 160 eh? You better price that NGP competitive against 3ds around 250 and not against the iphone @ 600. knowledge of the market Tretton... And dude you have not played the main competitors device yet 3ds to see what you're up to? I mean what the...
nice job, you didn't read the article.