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3.56 firmware update preventing HDD upgrades for newer Playstation 3 models

The recently-released 3.56 firmware update is apparently preventing many users with the 16 MB flash Playstation 3 models from being able to upgrade to a new hard disk drive.

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Prcko2516d ago (Edited 2516d ago )

thanks to who???
geohot!!!
gj -,-

El_Colombiano2516d ago

Read guys. It was a big that was fixed before, and should be fixed yet again.

branchedout2516d ago

Why read when it's much easier to jump to conclusions?

I for one will have to wait for a new firmware. I went to a party last weekend and brought my ps3. Since then, I've been to occupied with school to hook it up. I also got a 500GB harddrive in that time because Playstation Plus is filling my 80GB up.

Guess who's gonna be playing offline until Sony fixes the bug!

longcat2516d ago

jumping to conclusions is all the exercise that i get

Fat Bastard2516d ago

What kind of party can you bring a ps3 to?

zeeshan2516d ago

These types of bugs are pretty pathetic to be honest. You'd think that Sony has guys working on these things 24 hours a day and with some type of QA department checking everything yet these things keep coming. No, this is NOT acceptable. First, I am pissed that the new version got hacked right away so that means more security patches and now we have to wait for a patch FOR a patch?

inveni02516d ago

What is the 16MB Flash version of the PS3? I have no idea what that means.

zag2515d ago

It won't be a bug it'll be a case of
"I've installed CFW and found that I can't play X game due to being banned, so I decided to install the real FW from Sony and now the HD I installed doesn't work properly.

How will my game back ups work now?"

Soldierone2515d ago

@Zeeshan. Its pathetic if it was just a patch out of no where, but in this case Sony had to rush it out the door to stop all the noobs. Its more pathetic that people are hacking, cheating, and pirating and half of them are so dumb they actually paid to do it.

Mines working fine

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krouse932516d ago

Before you worry. There is no 16 MB flash PS3 model...

BiggCMan2516d ago

Thats what I was thinking also. Can someone explain what the author means when he says 16mb flash model? As far as I know there is only a 160gb slim model, and I think a 250gb unless that was temporary.

DJMarty2516d ago

Your wrong ther are 16Mb NAND Flash PS3 models.

older models have 256Mb NAND Flash(2x128Mb)

newer models use 16Mb NAND Flash and part of your hard drive.

ExplosionSauce2516d ago

So it's a bug that's been fixed before?
Alright then, let's hope so.

dantesparda2516d ago

"ther are 16Mb NAND Flash PS3 models.

older models have 256Mb NAND Flash(2x128Mb)

newer models use 16Mb NAND Flash and part of your hard drive."

That sucks!

Bastion2515d ago

I have no idea all I know is that there does exist 128MB of flash memory on my 60G ps3, I remember them changing the available flash memory on the slims, and 80G ps3s. I think that the new flash was in fact 16MB

fullmetal2972515d ago

YOU IDIOT!!! You're suppose to mystically wave your fingers and say "There is no 16 MB flash PS3 model...".

Darkfocus2515d ago

I love how someone can say something entirely wrong and get a bunch of agrees on N4G lol.

krouse932513d ago

@DJMarty

What is the use of this memory? Because I know what RAM purposes, and I know what your hard drive space is used for but I don't know what NAND Flash is.

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gamingdroid2516d ago

Sony introduced the bug and it's somebody elses fault?

RememberThe3572516d ago

The bug wouldn't be there if the hackers weren't. It's cause and effect in a sense.

gamingdroid2516d ago

My point being that everybody is the looser in this case of Sony fighting hackers.

Consumers: Lost OtherOS, got multiple inconvenient non-new-feature updates that introduced a bug and now cheats are abound on PSN.

Sony: Loosing control over their platform. Hacking community is stronger than ever.

Hackers: Still able to do what they want and now enjoys greater support than ever.

Sony should have just left OtherOS alone (and the homebrew scene), left the hacking community alone and instead go after the pirates.

Everybody wins, but as it is nobody really wins. The root of it is Sony initiating all these!

Cause and effect.

Arksine2516d ago

Droid, the Pirates can't exist without the hackers. If you want to kill a snake, you have to cut off its head.

Lets be honest here, these hackers aren't innocent guys just "looking for the challenge." If they were, they would do what other white hats do...find the exploit, inform the developer (in this case Sony), and give them time to correct it. If Sony ignores it, then you make the exploit public.

Instead they immediately made the exploits public. They didn't do it for the challenge, the did it to pirate games and increase the size of their e-peens.

Sarobi2516d ago (Edited 2516d ago )

@arksine

what about the people who are using the jailbreak just to run homebrew and third party applications?, or custome psn comments, because there is people out there using the jailbreak for just that

DragonKnight2516d ago

@gamingdroid: you're kidding right? OtherOS was there for homebrew, it wasn't good enough for GeoHot and he just had to screw around some more. You think Sony was just going to sit on that? THEY GAVE HOMEBREW TO EVERYONE AND NO ONE USED IT!!

@Sarobi: Like who?

RBLAZE19882516d ago

@ gaming droid. You know as well as everyone else that even if sony left other os alone and never took it out the hackers would have still kept pushing and eventually hacked the ps3 leading to the same result. Other os is just an excuse and homebrew is the shield they hide behind. Anyone else who believes otherwise is naive. Every system in the passed decade has been hacked and the number one reason is to pirate games.

gamingdroid2516d ago

With any hardware hackers are expected.

The Wii is hacked and pirated to shreds. So is the Xbox 360, but I don't see neither of them punishing me for the acts of others.

If homebrew is just a shield, there wouldn't be any homebrew app. I know damn sure there are a lot of applications to come out of that community, such as XMBC.

blahblah2516d ago

yes, leave it to fanboys to defend sony.

if hackers are guilty for removing OtherOS, while in reality culprit is sony who removed it to lower costs on maintaining hypervisor drivers
http://www.ps3news.com/PS3-...

why not blame this one too? keep at it when you're on the roll

blahblah2516d ago

@DragonKnight

you are kidding, aren't you? OtherOS was way too handicapped to run homebrew decently. people only hacked to get the missing ingredient, access to 3d

well, i bought all my games (121) and 3xps3 and plan to buy them after. but i want what i was promised and that is multimedia. audio/video player sucks major in ps3.

and my plan is as such, install first decent homebrew to get the rest of what i was promised, but if i get banned from PSN for that, then i stop buying games. there simply is no incentive for me to play fair when they are not.

i plan to stay with playstation for its lifetime (kinda like 30-40 games per year), but there is exactly 0% chance of them see me as returning customer for ps4. i'm already watching alternatives.

kewlkat0072516d ago (Edited 2516d ago )

"The bug wouldn't be there if the hackers weren't. It's cause and effect in a sense. "

Hahah..

OtherOs ran like a piece of sh!t...Sony was prematurely scared. The exploits they found today, would of never been so easy, just because of otherOS.

DragonKnight2516d ago

@gamingdroid: what?! you're saying that because hackers are expected Sony should just leave them be? yeah, i'm sure the shareholders would love that. threaten the investments they made, turn a blind eye to piracy. wonderful idea. /sarcasm

blahblah: you were promised OtherOS you got it until GeoHot ruined it for you. Sony never promised homebrew, they never said they would grant complete access to RSX because things like emulators are ILLEGAL and they know it. you were promised audio/video playback, and you got it. it's not Sony's fault you aren't satisfied. i personally have no issues with audio or video playback whatsoever. so where's the broken promises? just be honest, you feel entitled, like Sony owes you, and you're using this lame "broken promises" angle to justify what you want to do.

gamingdroid2515d ago (Edited 2515d ago )

"@gamingdroid: what?! you're saying that because hackers are expected Sony should just leave them be? yeah, i'm sure the shareholders would love that."

Look, it's pretty simple really. Do you prosecute the knife or do you blame the murderer?

Shareholders would love it more if Sony could find a way to monetize whatever the hackers are doing.

"threaten the investments they made, turn a blind eye to piracy. wonderful idea. /sarcasm"

I never said to turn the blind eye to piracy. Sony should definitely prosecute those that pirate, ban those that cheat in online games and essentially go after those people.

But going after hackers will yield nothing, because there are ways to release this sort of information anonymously. In the meanwhile, the PS3 hacking community probably has grown the largest and healthiest I have ever seen it. Worse? They are getting more and more exposure as a result of Sony's litigation.

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fr0sty2516d ago

thanks to sony for making a console security system that was so easily hackable. that's who. if it wasn't GeoHot, it would have been someone else (remember Geo didn't act alone, many others were just as close and made progress that allowed Geo to do what he did).

this was inevitable. it was a flaw baked into the ps3 since day 1, waiting to be found. don't hate the ones who found it. hate the pirates that exploited it.

geodood2516d ago

"so easily hackable"

4 years without being hacked says you're wrong

RememberThe3572516d ago (Edited 2516d ago )

Really? It took four years... How long did the 360 take? The Wii? Yeah.

Your logic doesn't make sense either. You can't give a kid a loaded gun and not expect bad things to happen. Failoverflow and Geohot knew exactly what they were doing, and they should be held responsible for opening the floodgate.

What your saying is that (to use my earlier metaphors) if the kid goes and shoots someone the person who gave the kid a loaded gun should not be held responsible for their actions. Or if someone opens the floodgates they should not be held responsible for water flowing through. That doesn't make sense.

KotC2516d ago

PS3 may have been hard to hack these past four years but that's definitely not the case now, systems open.

fr0sty2516d ago

why hack it when it had other OS most of that time? as soon as other OS was removed, it was hacked very quickly.

RememberThe3572516d ago

From what I understand Other OS had nothing to do with it. A security key was leaked and from there Fail0overflow tore back the layers of the PS3's defense to open up the whole system.

fr0sty2516d ago

but the real hacks didn't start happening until other OS was removed. the USB jailbreaks, etc.

this was just a case of them finally cracking the last line of defense.

sony can do just like MS did with the 360, make new ps3's with hardware modded security (like 360 did to fix the jtag exploit). ban consoles caught cheating or pirating. I think the lawsuits and such, however, are too far. especially after that federal judge ruled it legal to jailbreak an iphone. i think the same will apply to a ps3.

dead_eye2515d ago

@frosty The jailbreak for the Iphone was really only to unlock the carrier of the phone.

Soldierone2515d ago

People only mention the 4 years thing lol. Yet how many articles did we see of several "hackers" and homebrew people completely giving up on hacking the PS3 before this happened?

It would of been fine if noobhot did something useful with his knowledge instead of opening a floodgate.

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ARBitrator2516d ago

Whatever dude, this is being done by Sony, don't blame Geohot.

RBLAZE19882516d ago

Yea it's being done by sony. But it's being done because of geohot and all the noble hackers fighting for our rights to make "custom psn comments" and an nes emulater lol. What a frickin joke. Other os was removed because the hackers were pokin around in there then they used its removal as an excuse to bust the ps3 wide open. I have no clue how these peoples actions can be justified by some of you.

livinwitbias2516d ago (Edited 2516d ago )

The same way sony can justify removing feature that were in the PS3 at launch. I paid 599.99 for my PS3, so much for being an early adapter.

I think Sony owes me some money back or should provide me with the option to return it if I didn't want it anymore after they gimpped it by removing the other OS feature.

Just saying, if MS had removed a feature from the 360 you PS3 fanboys would be talking all kinds of crap about how MS is ripping people off.

RBLAZE19882516d ago (Edited 2516d ago )

First of all no I would not because I don't go into 360 articles and take pleasure in other peoples anguish...but yea go ahead call me a ps3 fanboy cause I am pissed that whenever I go into a match on mw2 there are hackers playing gun game with auto aim and auto head shots shooting through walls.

Also Sony took out other os because hackers were trying to use it as a conduit to break into the ps3 system... which would lead to piracy. That's their justification and you just gotta put on your big boy pants and deal with it. A company, that states in their terms of service agreement that they can remove any features from their ip at their discretion, is in the right here. It's you guys making up conspiracy theories that Sony is just out to get us and removing our features. Why would they put a feature into the console if they are just going to remove it. I'm sure you can get linux or any other browser to run on your pc. Even if you think they removed it to cut costs along with the backwards compatibility. It's their right to and you shouldn't look at sony, you should look at all the people bitching and moaning for a price cut and demanding one. Now they're complaining that they don't have backwards compatibility. Also if you didn't like it you should have called, written sony and demanded your money back for them removing other os and sent your ps3 to them.

Sony removing a feature that was barely used on the ps3, for security purposes, does not justify what has happened here by these hackers.

dead_eye2515d ago

@Livinwitbias Sony didn't force you to upgrade and lose Other OS. You wouldn't be able to play online but that would be because you didn't agree to Sonys new T&C.

Soldierone2515d ago

@Livin
I got a launch console and completely fine with it. You pay for the experience and early years of having it. You also agree to a terms of use everytime you sign up for PSN or play a game.

You want Other OS back? Go get it, reset your system to default and get it. If its that important to you. You want to play on PSN? Well agree to play by Sonys terms.

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Ryudo2516d ago

@Prcko

Not thanks to Geohotz thanks to Sony for not getting a better grasp on how to handle Piracy and instead gimping there user base.

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PirateThom2516d ago (Edited 2516d ago )

Here it comes, proprietary drives.

Thanks Geohot, you scumbag.

MintBerryCrunch2516d ago

how would that work for PS3's already sold...they could do it for the PS4, but i doubt it

what difference does a bigger hdd have on hackers, unless they are trying to contain pirates from D/L more games

but the loyal customer still gets shafted in the end

ABizzel12516d ago

I'm guessing that what he meant.

MintBerryCrunch2516d ago

i doubt proprietary drives if it was on the hardware side because it would be a physical change, software wise tho i wouldnt know if thats possible, but im sure it can be done...it would only mean the system being more closed off which just doesnt fit the overall image of the PS3, being able to change its hdd and having certain PC qualities makes it one of the best machines to own

PirateThom2516d ago

Technically, if Sony refused to let the system format new hard drives and they had to be pre-formatted from Sony, you could see it happen.

Snake-eater2516d ago

thanks a lot, for making it close console

ARBitrator2516d ago

Does this mean that I can't upgrade the HD in my original 60GB model? I have a 320GB on order.

alex33692516d ago

dude its a bug everyone should just chill for a bit until they patch it. also this wouldnt do shizz to stop the hackers...

kane_13712515d ago

no, you 60 gb is ok, the slim will not handle it though.
at least this is what i have read.
investigate the matter before taking any actions

Blaine2516d ago

This fucking website... 4th to comment, and 36th down the list.

blahblah2516d ago

like you said something so important. hah

it has no relations to hackers, it is a bug which will be fixed. this couldn't do anything to stop hackers.

Blaine2515d ago

The comment (4.1) was directed at the comments sections of the website in general--obviously I don't give a shit about this one dumbass comment (4) in particular.

MattyF2516d ago

This is nothing new. Happened in Firmware 3.41. Sony released a patched version of the firmware a few days later and it resolved the issue.