Let's be clear on what this is about: The English Language.
This is still going on...?
Not only is this going on, it has been going on for years. It's about time that video game reviews get a wake-up call.
^ This. IGN gets too much respect these days, for the late news and bad quality reviews they put out. Any second rate reviewing site is better then IGN. I say we put them in their place.
LOL, IGN is just RACKING up hits with their DS2 review. Can you imagine all of the people visiting the review? Then writing an article about it, causing MORE people to check it out?
"This" is a lot different than what has been going on. Before it was only some bitching and criticizing - "this" is a complete rewrite of the review and comprehensive report on what's wrong with game reviews as a whole.
The initial reaction to his review seemed very immature. The main complaint was that his review was too subjective, which although is a problem, doesn't deserve all the name calling that was going on. I also agree with the author that most of the reddit corrections weren't right.
LOL, Why are so many people concerned about what IGN is doing?
@Sev- Really? But how could they be the largest if all I hear on N4G is that they suck. Ud think more people would have caught on by now.
They're the largest online publication on the 'net. Because of that, a certain level of quality should be present.
People think Microsoft suck, people think Sony suck, etc. Sucking has nothing to do with being well known. Whatever people think of IGN, it's still one of the most popular gaming websites. All of this hating that people express only fuels their popularity. Honestly, I think they do half the dumb things they do on purpose to get attention. I'd be doing the same thing if I ran the site, lol. "That game is getting nothing but 9s in reviews? Let's give it a 7 then sit back and watch our website traffic quadruple in the next 2 minutes bwahaha"
it will go on forever my son
Who cares seriouly. I dont care about IGN nor I care about what this site is saying about IGN. The topic should be about how great of a game Dead Space 2 is. We are missing the point. If I spoke Ebonics to explain how great Dead Space 2 was then so be it. As long as the point got across to you or the readers. Period!
As long as there are bad reviews at ign.com. Yes. Its a shame as I used to highly respect ign. I was premium member for 2 years and eventually canceled. Greg Miller is probably the worst, although he is hardly the exception.
Jeez they're morons.... I wonder who ghost wrote it for Greg Miller.
Helen Keller probably.
Ugh..enough of this already. We're gamers, not friggen English Professors.
This is about journalism itself that should be taken professionaly that´s only there´s to it. If a guy takes a degree in journalism he should always act professional no matter the subject is about.
What a load of nonsense. This isn't about journalism itself, it's about a bunch of bored nerds on the internet with too much time on their hands. If you don't like IGN, and feel their reporting is sloppy don't fucking read it... I don't give a fuck what religion you are, or your preferred breakfast; why do you think I give a toss about what journalists you like? If I don't like something do you know what I do? I simple don't partake.
@Kurt Russell Never said i didnt liked IGN (there´s my concern) oh and i like your crappy movies btw.
I don't think these reviewers understand the point the Reddit community was trying to make. Sure they came off strong calling him a middle schooler, but the fact that it was poorly written despite it just being "personal". The thing is that gaming "journalist" are being paid to do that job a lot of people in the community would love to do. And when they deliver something like Greg Miller did, it pisses people. Look at N4G for example. All the terrible flame bait/N4G focused article that get released and are poorly written. It doesn't just upset people because their main purpose is to get hits and cause a flame wars, but that the some of the people writing that garbage actually get paid for it.
"Have our standards for video game criticism fallen so low that game reviewers need to convince their audience that writing should be good? How do we ever expect video games to be respected as an artform on par with painting, music, film, and literature if our leading gaming press and critics do not respect their own medium - the written word?"
Give it up already. I bet 80 percent of people bitching about Greg Miller's article didn't even notice errors until someone else pointed it out. Also IGN is free. You get what you paid for. There's also a ton of sites that have reviewed this game, and half had subpar writing skills as well. How people wasted more than ten minutes worrying about this is beyond me. I don't even like Greg Miller and this is annoying.
WHY DO PEOPLE CARE ABOUT THIS SO MUCH!? They make it up like its a Peace and War situation!
I guess I fall into the 'not really bothered' category for this. I read Greg's review and I just read this rewrite. Although, yes, the rewrite is far superior and flows nicely, they both still get the same point across.
Pick up a newspaper sometime, put the news on or look online and check out when a Doctor has screwed up in his job, or a police officer and even those bastard bankers. This isn't the first guy that could be better at his job and he sure as hell won't be the last.
I stopped caring about what IGN had to say a long time ago.
Proof of Reddits influence on the internet
I'm behind GameRevolution on this one.
One of the best articles I've read in some time. For those that think "no one would have noticed if reddit hadn't pointed it out", that is complete rubbish. Greg Miller has been a vague and childish game critic for a long time. It's just one of a multitude of reasons why IGN can't be considered a serious gaming website. Remember when they fired Chris Roper? The dignified, unbiased, concise critic? In all seriousness, who holds weight there anymore? Do any of their critics make an impact on the community at large? Hell no.
To those that don't care about this issue anymore: You are either under the age of 16, or you only look at review scores. Get out.
Anyone who cares about this is boring and needs to buy a life. Big deal.
Can't spell ignorance without ign
There it goes!
Re-review GT5 next? lol talk about creditability huh.
This story is so boring. Who cares if Greg Miller can write well? Big deal. He's just writing about games. Some people should get a life.
Because unlike yourself, we're not sheep. Greg Miller is a journalist, and with the job there is an expectation that the reviews and articles released are of high quality. Instead, we've been fed some sort of high school paper. Greg Miller isn't the only culprit either.
So thanks for your insightful contribution Brian, you can leave at any time.
You need to get a life then. I guess I have more important things to worry about in my life than a dumb game review.
I've never read an article on IGN, but I hear people complain about their reviews all the time. How does this one particular review mean anything more or less than any other review they post in the long run? No one will care in another week when the next big game and all its reviews comes out.
"But seemingly no one at IGN has told him the problems with his review or stopped it from being published, so something in the editing process there has broken and needs to be fixed immediately." This. Didn't anyone read his review before publishing it? It's sad if IGN doesn't have some type of support system.
Im just laughing at the pic.
I read the original review and the re-write, and it really just makes me think... THANK GOD FOR EDITORS. I realize that nothing is perfect on the first draft (hell, I'm editing my post as I write it), but the original review feels as though it was truly left to one person, in one sitting, to pound out something for the sake of making sure something is posted. If that's the case, then the real problem is his lack of anyone to check his work for even the most basic of issues, from grammar and spelling to word choice and structure. That, and starting a review with "Dead Space 2 is an amazing game" and making a list of what he's going to write about, I get completely turned off and don't WANT to read anything else (except maybe for angry comments).
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