Submitted by Nineball2112 1584d ago | news

Microsoft Labels Autistic Boy A Cheater On Xbox Live

There's a bit of a she-said, they-said situation going on near Seattle, with the mom of an 11-year-old boy saying Microsoft reset his gamerscore unfairly and the company saying it was done because he was cheating. Regardless of the truth, the boy has been branded a cheater on Xbox Live and has to earn whatever achievements he had before all over again.

Jennifer Zdenek told Q13 FOX News that her son Julius Jackson went online recently only to discover that his gamerscore had been reset and his account branded as belonging to a cheater. (Microsoft, Xbox 360)

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Nineball2112  +   1584d ago
Oh nice, Microsoft!! Way to pick on the less fortunate!

Ok, I just had to say that. I don't really know the details. :D
mcmmaster  +   1584d ago | Well said
You don't even need to see the details, clearly its the mum that is at fault as why on earth would she let an 11 year old boy play Dead Rising 2 (AN 18 YEAR OLD GAME, well in the UK), to make it worse he's autistic. Think its the mum that needs sorting out and not Microsoft
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DaCajun  +   1583d ago
Yea that is pretty messed up that you would let you kid play mature rated games and especially one as impressionable as a child with autism.

But on topic I like how microsoft just goes around banning whomever they want or resetting achievements without proof and SONY well never does anything to cheaters whether it be sharing saves to get trophies you didn't earn or just cheating on an online game to just plain internet stalking. One goes to the extreme the other does nothing. I had some loser on PSN with a racist name basically the name says he killed Ni***rs(Blacks), he would send me messages calling me the "N" word and would make new accounts when I blocked other ones. He went through 10 before he stopped. A Sony rep told me on the phone to just keep blocking him and that he didn't find the name offensive at all either even though dozens of people reported this racist stalking cheating POS. They also tried to push off responsibility to the publisher of the games. What a joke. Then you got M$ who will ban you or remove a gamertag if it even slightly offends someone and take away your achievements if you get enough of your friends to report one person as cheating for no reason but you don't like them.

One goes overboard and the other doesn't do crap but as for the boy I seriously doubt the kid was cheating he's probably just extremely good at games due to his autism.
edgeofblade  +   1583d ago
It's quite telling that the mother was refereed to the legal department. That means she came in ranting and raving and claiming "AYM GONNA SEEW YEW" ("I'm going to sue you"). That's the standard response anytime someone threatens legal action.
Dante112  +   1583d ago
@ DaCajin

Idk, DaCajin. You can get banned pretty quickly for cursing someone out in a back and forth argument (replying back with mgs) on the PSN, surprisedly even in chat (notice the censoring in the text chat) as well as for ANY little thing you say (Damn fool-banned) or do in Home.
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N4WAH  +   1583d ago
@ DaCajun

"especially one as impressionable as a child with autism."

How exactly can a person that does not know right from wrong, danger from safety, life from death, be impressionable by video games or m rated anything?

"I seriously doubt the kid was cheating he's probably just extremely good at games due to his autism."

^This you couldn't be more right about. My nephew
(autistic) is a savant at counting, memory and he has uncanny balance. He loves video games but unlike the kid in this article, he isn't very good at them. So this is probably the one area this kid excels.

Either way MS should find a way to make this right.
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I_find_it_funny  +   1583d ago
typical for MS
rezzah  +   1583d ago
parents usually dont care as long as they see their children smile, which isnt really bad because they want to make their children happy. It makes them happy.

However they should pay attention to the things that make them happy from time to time.
DaCajun  +   1583d ago

I took pics of all the PSN text messages he sent me and sent them to Sony and they did absolutely nothing. I even called them a dozen time to get no help what so ever. Maybe others have had better luck but I had none, so now I don't even bother.
Blaine  +   1583d ago

You never played any games the "rating" said you were too young for? You'd probably be the only person on earth.

(I put rating in quotation because, really, I don't know anything about the people who hand out these ratings. I don't know of any studies to back these ratings either, and I don't know of any respectable study that says ANY game genre affects children in any negative way. But here's a case study of one for you: me. Played every violent game I ever wanted to before I was old enough to meet the "rating", and it hasn't affected me in the least.)
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ComboBreaker  +   1583d ago
"why would she let her son play a mature rated game?"
Now you gonna tell her how to raise her kid?

When you were a kid, you played Mortal Kombat II, and you turned out fine.
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inveni0  +   1583d ago
Who cares?
Christopher  +   1583d ago
Two wrongs don't make a right.

Sure, I'd be right there to tell her what games are and are not appropriate for a child, though one should note that many autistic children have a stronger bearing over what is reality and what isn't when it comes to these sort of thing (I have two autistic nephews like this). But, regardless of the possibility of this being a matter showing bad parenting, Microsoft needs to have a way to explain why someone is a cheater as well as proof to prove that someone has cheated.

If I suddenly had my account labeled as such, you better believe I would be all over Sony or Microsoft with the reason why and method that they used to determine this. In fact, it's something they should have in place, ability to prove why someone is a cheater, prior to implementing the ability to label an account as such.
ExplosionSauce  +   1583d ago
LOL reminds me of the time when...
Microsoft banned some guy whose last name was "Gaywood". MS deemed it inappropriate and was banned from XBL, despite the guy proving them that it was his real name.

Microsoft can be pretty square to the point of lacking common sense at times.
gcolley  +   1583d ago
your post lacks common sense
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jadenkorri  +   1583d ago
yeah, bosse is Astrixed out on psn, i couldn't believe it, this was in a text chat room, confused the hell out of me as i was saying you have to defeat bosses to get your soul back in demon souls, i noticed and we loled over it.
AngryTypingGuy  +   1583d ago
I can understand labeling someone with Parkinson's a cheater since they can press the buttons ultra fast, but a poor Autistic boy? This is uncalled for!
EeJLP-  +   1583d ago
Who gives a hmmm if he's autistic or not. The question is, did he cheat or not? If he did, then it's deserved. It has nothing to do with being autistic or not. They're looking for sympathy support or something.
HolyOrangeCows  +   1583d ago
Microsoft accidentally labeled a kid as a cheater who happened to be autistic.

Quick, attack their character! CHAAAAARGE!
Kurt Russell  +   1583d ago
You know there isn't enough war and famine in the world when the news are reporting tripe like this. Dumb fuck mum is unhappy because her spoilt brat had a fucking computer game score wiped. When I was a kid my high scores got wiped every time I went to bed... and nobody gave a fuck.
kunit22c  +   1583d ago
yes, its true that the mom shouldn't let a little autistic kid play mature games, but Microsoft just labeling anybody that they "think" is cheating a cheater is so stupid, what a bunch of dumb asses if I had an Xbox I wouldn't even try to get my gamerscore high just because those guys might think i'm a cheater just because its high...
kancerkid  +   1581d ago
ANd of course none of the trolls here who had none of the facts of the case are not commenting on the article that proves the kids was cheating...
Nineball2112  +   1584d ago
I'm sure they just saw how high the kid's achievements were and assumed he was cheating. Although, I'd think they'd have to verify it in some manner before labeling someone as a cheater. *shrug*

Anyone know what the procedure is for this?
Sony360  +   1583d ago
I really don't get the 8 disagrees you got for your comment.

Is N4G full of retards or something?

I was thinking the same thing, but surely they'd know for sure. Being "really good at a video game" shouldn't count as cheating, even Micro$oft know that.
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enkeixpress  +   1583d ago
omg.. look at the pic, he puts the 360 on the carpet while playing.. fail

Expect a RROD/E74 error any day now.
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sobekflakmonkey  +   1583d ago
The kid has autism you fuckn idiot..
gamingdroid  +   1583d ago
Now we know how all those RROD came! People just don't care there are vent holes on the bottom.
Silentmerc3nary  +   1583d ago
"The kid has autism you fuckn idiot.."

True. But his mum, however, does not.
antz1104  +   1583d ago
Speaking of, so the mother probably brought up the fact that her child has autism, how would xbox know that? She probably tried to use that as leverage to get the kids score back. Mom of the f#cking year right there.
Dave1351  +   1583d ago
Well we dont know all the details. Did the kid actually cheat for one? If he did then yea he deserves the word cheater. But if he didnt microsoft needs shot in the head.
Led-Zeppelin  +   1583d ago
Microsoft is just jealous a autistic boy can kick their ass when it comes to getting achievements.
gamingdroid  +   1583d ago
I find it hard to believe a autistic kid cheated (albeit I don't know the severity of his condition), but I find it also hard that MS would detect non-cheaters and label them a such.

That would open them up to lawsuit so it seems reasonable that MS is 100% damn sure some cheating went on regardless of who did it.
tdogg06051991  +   1583d ago
Thats cool
He shouldn't be playing those games regardless of his autism. He should be playing t for teen at best regardless of what or how he understands reality. Take that kid away from that parent.
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Focker420  +   1583d ago
Buy him a PS3, Way more autism friendly.
Sony360  +   1583d ago
I actually laughed out loud.
JeffGUNZ  +   1583d ago
This title is so missleading. Microsoft never even knew the kid had any disability. The kid cheated and got caught, cry me a river. The kid lied to his mother about cheating, who could ever imagine?!!!? That mom needs to stop making excuses for her child.
Motorola  +   1584d ago
Wow that sucks
jay2  +   1584d ago
Yes love. And you've let your pre teen autistic son play 18 rated games. AND this news channel SHOW HIM DOING SON WTF! All of them are in the wrong. The news channel for showing and 11 year old playing obvously unsuitable games. The mum for buying the games. Come on guys, a normal 11 year old could buy them online but that poor kid most liekly can't :(. And that same mum just sitting on the sofa letting him play them.
BX81  +   1583d ago
Because you wouldn't let your kid play that game doesn't make her wrong. She clearly knows what he's playing. If she thought he couldn't tell it was a game not real life I'm sure she would do something. I guess your parents must have locked you in a room with Barney all day long?
jadenkorri  +   1583d ago
as much as we all say we wouldn't allow kids to play 18 rated games, its gonna happened, fore most whats important is that they know its not real, 2nd would be you know their playing... and third if hes playing any game online and swearing like n**ger this and f**k you, please god take it away.
MidnytRain  +   1583d ago
That's not really the point of the article, though. No one is blaming video games for this, so I don't know why people are getting so defensive. There's no actual proof that shows us if he was or wasn't cheating, so it doesn't make sense to pick sides at this point. But I will say that this wouldn't be the first time Microsoft has punished somebody who was innocent.
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tdogg06051991  +   1583d ago
I don't understand
I completely agree, that kid should not be playing those games. it is very irresponsible and its like letting your kid watch R rated movies you just don't do it. I am going to learn from all of these idiot parents.
Warprincess116  +   1584d ago
Ok you guys need to stop acting like you never played a mature game when you were a teenager. Now if the boy had a ps3, this would have never happen.
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Dante112  +   1583d ago
Guilty lol

Back in the day....

Mortal Kombat 1, 2, 3.
Resident Evil 1, 2, 3
Doom games
Eternal Champions, etc.

.... It was my cousin's fault though lol
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bilbob12345ca  +   1583d ago
Surree blame the cousin ;)
Dante112  +   1583d ago
lol XD

After seeing this, how could I resist.

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mcmmaster  +   1583d ago
Yeah but this kid has autism for christ sake, this can't be good for the brain
Megaton  +   1583d ago
Why is his mom content to let him be a loner just because he's autistic? Kid can still have friends.
sickbird  +   1583d ago
never said he couldn't.
Megaton  +   1583d ago
You even watch the vid? She says the Xbox is so important to him because he can't have any friends because of his illness.
BX81  +   1583d ago
I'm sure Megaton is on his way right now to go hang out with the kid... I know I am... well his mom any way!
Boody-Bandit  +   1583d ago
Really, and you know this how exactly?
Autistic people don't all fall under one class. There are so many variables. Most autistic people lack social skills and most excel at certain things. Maybe gaming is his.

As far as mature rated games. I don't think this applies to most autistic kids. They don't know what age means. Sex, death, illness or right and wrong. How are they suppose to be influenced in anyway by M rated titles? Most of the people posting under this article obviously know very little about this subject.
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SWORDF1SH  +   1583d ago
But a News channel showing a 11yo playing a mature rated game is very irresposible. The vast majority won't understand your insight. I'm sure they could of showed him playing a different game.
Megaton  +   1583d ago
Just judging by how he spoke to the camera, I highly doubt he's so bad that he can't have at least one friend. If for nothing else, just someone to game with.
Boody-Bandit  +   1583d ago
I agree with that swordf1sh but I am not debating that. I am merely pointing out that megaton could not be more wrong about autistic kids having friends. The most common trait of the illness, besides severe OCD, is next to no social skills.

Megaton perception is often very misleading. I don't get into it on this site to often but this is one topic I probably know more about the 99.9% of N4G members.
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SWORDF1SH  +   1583d ago
On that subject I totally agree with you. It's also nice to have insightful comments. Bubbles
enkeixpress  +   1583d ago
He is lying, He was cheating.

He is just like any other 10-12 year old kid on Black Ops.. trying out all the latest glitches & hacks on YouTube.

The mum doesn't know shit. He has definately done *Something*

Does anyone know what his gamerscore was before it was reset?? Microsoft don't make mistakes like this.. They track everything.
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Lovable  +   1583d ago
They said around 15k...I'm not sure the exact number...
killershadow117  +   1583d ago
Why the hell are people disagreeing with you? Microsoft needs a lot of evidence to do that to someone. It's not like they just get one report or one cheating review and ban the kid and label them as a cheater.
edgeofblade  +   1583d ago
Seriously, the burden of proof for Microsoft to take action is insanely high. They have a very specific set of rules. For example, if there is no record of you playing online, and you have all these online achievements... cheater. It's that simple.

I know so many people love the "Micro$oft ar teh evil corporashin" line, but why? Why would Microsoft ban this kid if it wasn't true? Do they get evil points or something?
OpenGL  +   1583d ago
"We tried to contact Xbox Live" lol

But seriously, Microsoft doesn't just go around deleting people's achievements without evidence that there was cheating involved. It's unfortunate that her son has autism and this will effect his ability to enjoy his console online, but he shouldn't have violated Xbox Live's EULA in the first place.
sickbird  +   1583d ago
seriously? does that kid look like he's a hacker?
Dlacy13g  +   1583d ago
@wolfam1... looks are deceiving. You can't just assume something based on looks. Some of the worst white collar crimes are commited by the most innocent looking.

And remember, not once in that interview/video did ANY of them ever say "he didn't cheat".
Dorwrath  +   1583d ago
Please be specific on what a hacker looks like.
sickbird  +   1583d ago
clearly this kid didn't cheat to get achievements. Thats gotta really be a horrible feeling for him.
UltimateIdiot911  +   1583d ago
We don't know that. So far this story is one sided and it would be nice to know exactly how and what cheating they caught him for.

I remember when I was little, I dig up all sorts of way to cheat on games for fun. This kid could have done the same but denies it.
edgeofblade  +   1583d ago
I'm going out on a potentially offensive limb here... but I wonder if this kid was autistic before this story. Some people do horrible things to get their way...

If that's not true, then I wonder if the social isolation in this case is what causes this kid's social problems. Did the mother self-diagnose the kid with autism? Was she ever involved with an anti-immunization lawsuit?

I mean, look at the mother. She looks like... well... trash. And getting a referral to MS Legal means she's already made legal threats.
kudakadere  +   1583d ago
No offense but.......................
lol i get messages all the time quoting " Message me back 10,000 gamerscore for 1800ms points " it's tempnting for anyone but an 11 year old that's more like go and tell mum iam buying CoD DLC can i have money for Ms points. I am not saying he cheated but i have heard of few casess were violation was not breached .
thebudgetgamer  +   1583d ago
i'm disapointed by all the holier than thou attitude in this thread.
Dlacy13g  +   1583d ago
OK one thing that is missing from this story.... I noticed they completely glossed over whether or not her son actually did cheat. Not once was it said by mom, the news cast or son "he didn't cheat".

If anything mom should be using this as a teaching tool for her son. Clearly he is a fairly functional Autistic child so helping him understand (assuming he did cheat) that it was wrong... and doing something wrong has consequence....no matter who you are.

I have a 2yr old son who was born with Dandy Walker Syndrome and most likely will grow up in a very similar state of isolation. It pains me to hear about a child like this young man having one of his outlets changed (he still can play games mind you). BUT... he is still a person like everyone else on Live and needs to play within the guidelines.

As for mom... it is disturbing to see her letting her boy play mature games. So much for letting the parents be responsible huh?
XxMajeSteRxX  +   1583d ago
i wonder where all his games are?? maybe in a closet or something,,,he doesn't look like someone who would cheat though!
LoneWanderer09  +   1583d ago
Mom in the video, GET YOUR KID A PS3 he is going to have more fun there and once you earn something is there 4 ever. most important you don't get called a cheater under your Online ID hahahahaaha
andrew171994  +   1583d ago
ya u get banned
LoneWanderer09  +   1583d ago
that is still better than being called a cheater
Xbox360PS3AndPC  +   1583d ago
Just Because U Have A Disease Doesnt Mean You Cant Have Friends
BX81  +   1583d ago
Not true! When I was growing up my parents told me I had a case of the stupids! Till this day I can't get a friend because of it. :(
radphil  +   1583d ago

Thanks. That made me laugh a little. :p
HeartDisease  +   1583d ago
friends are not something you just suddenly decide to have one day. there has to be a person that has interest in you in order for them to want to be your friend.

at age 11 social acceptance is very important. you have to choose your friends wisely because you will be judged by the company you keep. now ask yourself how many 11 year olds want to be friends with someone that has a disease and is socially akward? now how many want to be friends with the kids who are athletic and into sports and interacting with others? when they say he cant have friends, its probably a nice way of saying "no one will be his friend". hell there are kids without autism that go thru school with no friends and get bullied everyday.
Pozzle  +   1582d ago
1. Autism isn't a disease. It's a disorder.

2. Making friends is incredibly difficult for people with autism because they often lack the ability to understand social situations, social cues, and general conversation.
karlowma  +   1583d ago
The fact that he's autistic, while unfortunate, is completely irrelevant! Didn't hundred of thousands of Live accounts get suspended last year because of hacking and cheating? Was there an article about every mother who had to listen to her kid whine about it? Pretty sure MS didn't target this kid because he has a disability.
DrRichtofen  +   1583d ago
Hey RainMan was retarded and he could bankrupt a casino
BX81  +   1583d ago
Not true buddy, but when you run around with lights out I can see how you would derive a thought like that.
tanman777  +   1583d ago
Dude, if you're gonna try to make a witty reference, at least get the quote right.
DrRichtofen  +   1582d ago
lol it was a joke calm down

and @ BX81 what the hell are you talking about?
tompoulo  +   1583d ago
Seriously Microsoft this kid has a mental illness! WTF? Is it so hard to if not give him back his freakin Achievements, at least remove the label "Cheater"... Come on! This child obviously didn't cheat to get the achievements either someone reported him for some reason, or anything else happened. That was freakin BAD for the child.
00  +   1583d ago
If he did cheat he shouldn't get any special treatment for having a disability.
tompoulo  +   1583d ago
He wasn't banned or anything(if he did anything serious he would have been banned), he was reported as a cheater. Some people found it funny or cool to report him probably he annoyed them in some way and that was the result...

Anyway it's a shame for the child in my opinion, Microsoft should take action and at least remove the tag "cheater".
Dorwrath  +   1583d ago

Just because someone reports you as a cheater doesn't mean you get labelled as one. That person being reported gets checked out first.

They don't ban people just because some butt hurt kid wasn't as good as you. Do you realize virtually everyone would have been labelled a cheater if that was the case.

This kid has cheated in some way as has got labelled a cheater and rightly so. He should not receive special treatment because of his mild autism.
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Darth_Bane79  +   1583d ago
this has left me wondering, what did he do?? I mean, what is the cheating action they are blaming him for? How did they determined this? I just hope that it's not one of those cases where some other gamers were hating on the kid and reported him for cheating, when he really wasn't, and Microsoft went and took their word for it.. That would really suck..
rajman  +   1583d ago
lol the video shows this 11 yr old kid playing 18 rated games (like that 50 Cent game), cmon mum you shouldnt be buying your kid games they are underage for.
TardcoreGamer  +   1583d ago
He's the Rain Man of the video game world LOL
Flexatron  +   1583d ago
Typical Microsh!t. The mom should buy this kid a ps3, its not like the xbox has games this year anyway.
edgeofblade  +   1583d ago
THIS... the worst kind of trolling. Ever.

And it's downright offensive that people Agree with him and Disagree with me.
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tudors  +   1583d ago
He's austistic for goodness sakes, he does not understand the concept of cheating, his only social outlet is playing online and he has cheater under is gamertag, they should elaborate as to why he is a cheater, does he have a modded Xbox for example? we need to know why they say he cheated, innocent until proven guilty remember that guys, until then this is defermation of charactor and likely very upsetting to a boy who could be damaged if he is tormented online as a result of having cheater under his gamertag, this in my opinion is poor behavior on Microsofts part.
00  +   1583d ago
just can't ban you because a few people reported that you cheated, they have to get proper evidence that corresponds with the allegations. Or else they can to into big trouble by wrongfully disabling someones account with the only reason "just cause"
edgeofblade  +   1583d ago
Actually... Microsoft can ban your ass for anything they want. Legally. You agree to it when you join Xbox Live. However, if you talk to their team and listen to their stories, they go through a very rigorous training and their process is very customer service focused. As far as I'm concerned, they are above reproach.

It's clear someone is sweeping through my comments and disagreeing with everything I say...
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Dorwrath  +   1583d ago
All they have to do is go on the xbox forums and ask, they will be told the reason why.
RockmanII7  +   1583d ago
innocent until proven guilty remember that guys
You should (re)read the terms of service that you agree to when you make an account.
JonnyBigBoss  +   1583d ago
...and then the console RROD'd.
TheLeprachaun  +   1583d ago
That women is an idiot. At the end she goes "this is all he can do, it's his whole life because of his mental illness" or something along those lines. How ignorant can you get? Jeez.
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Kon  +   1583d ago
1- The mom shouldn't let his son play mature games
2- Microsoft don't ban a user w/o proof
3- Wow, he lost all his achievements, how sad. His disease is no excuse for him o have friends.
theonlylolking  +   1583d ago
Autism can cause you to have no friends. Have you not seen, or heard what kids do now and how they act? They would just make fun of him and call him a weirdo. If other kids try to be friends they will be picked on so they wont be friends with him.
Pozzle  +   1582d ago
1. Autism isn't a disease. It's a disorder.

2. Making friends is incredibly difficult for people with autism because they often lack the ability to understand social situations, social cues, and general conversation.
sickpup  +   1583d ago
Yeah first problem is the autistic boy play M rated games. While we know most people let their kids do it, your on live news. Second thing is MS and their "systems". Ever since the dawn of the first Xbox and banhammer, as Bungie calls it, Microsoft has never had to explain themselves. When an account gets suspended, gamertag banned from XBL, or in this case labeled a cheater Ms just has the same blanketed response...our tools said you were bad. This is a repeat of the case where they removed a guys account from Fort Gay (an actual city). No one's detection tools are perfect but if the tool don't provide the details as to what was flagged then your tools are s***. Find the bug, admit the problem, and fix it.
Neko_Mega  +   1583d ago
Sad, Microsoft ban a kid for no reason and if they had one. Then why didn't they say why they ban him? An didn't reply back to FOX News?

Yeah something is up.
RockmanII7  +   1583d ago
1 - He probably cheated, no one ever said he didn't cheat.
2 - He didn't get banned MS just took his achievements away and put Cheater on his gamertag (PS3 equivalent to resetting your trophy count and putting cheater next to your PSNid).
Neko_Mega  +   1583d ago
An once again, why couldn't they tell his mom why or FOX News?

It isn't hard to give a reason, ban or reset, it is pretty much the same if you lose everything you worked on.

Kid didn't look smart to know how to cheat, in less he use type in cheats.
Led-Zeppelin  +   1583d ago
Kinda feel bad for the kid =(
dlohnug  +   1583d ago
I extremely feel bad for the kid, heck, if i lost all my achievements, well trophies (i play ps3 not xbox) id be flustered, and then resort to replaying The Witcher on PC because thats how i roll
RockmanII7  +   1583d ago
I'm surprised she isn't suing
nygamer28  +   1583d ago
sue??? really?
RockmanII7  +   1583d ago
Yea, everyone sues nowadays. It's not right, but there have been lawsuits that would be dumber than this one where the plaintiff won.
rlm41  +   1583d ago
Oh yeah lets just take this to court over 1500 measly GS.. when the mum doesn't even know if he really cheated or not.. /S

MS doesn't do this for no reason idiots.
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