Which? Convo: Sony recently took legal action against a number of ‘hackers’ after they released security codes for the PlayStation 3. It says that this will enable owners to play pirated games, but is suing them the right approach?
its legal to mod/jail break the machine you brought
And considering the price of most consoles like these nowadays you certainly should be allowed to do that. I don't see Sony taking action against people doing this with PSPs. (Yeah I know it's easier to do and harder to find, still counts though.)
It is what people do after JBing their console. at least 95 percent of them use it for pirating games which is very illegal.
I'd love to mod my PS3 just to backup games to harddrive like 360. My 360 is whisper quiet ever since this feature was implemented, but the real benefit is less wear. I don't want to my PS3 bluray drive to burn out I don't even download illegal music, so I'm not even thinking about illegal games
Look there are a lot bigger problems then Piracy in the world, if you really want to do something to help the games industry stop buying/trading in used games. That does a lot more damage to the pockets of the publishers you quite clearly care about. That way they can have 4 super cars instead of just 2, Piracy and homebrew is not the enemy. People are all to quick to blindly follow the media like sheep. Look Piracy all but stopped PC development now it's back stronger then ever, Piracy simply evolves a platform it doesn't destroy it the PC is proof of that. less then 1 percent of the PS3 market is currently effect by Piracy as much as 50 percent is currently effected by the sale and trade in of used games yet I don't see any moral stances on that. I honestly think the so called "moral" stances against piracy are people that don't like the fact the next person is getting free games. All I here on N4G is Piracy is the enemy it's simply not and never was to being with, People have a serious issue of not being able to think for themselves. There told piracy is bad and they role with it they do very little to think of the reasons behind such accusations. Piracy is everywhere every single one of you have performed an act of Piracy at some point intentional or unintentional. And most of the people telling you piracy is morally wrong are the same people earning 10x your wage packet. You guys seriously need to wake up, Piracy this Piracy that it's pathetic what about are basic fundamental human fucking rights. I bought the console it belongs to me I will do whatever the fuck I like with it.
I do believe that more games would be sold if the second hand market was terminated then if piracy wanished. Japan did that, perhaps they still do, and they got a beatable verson of battletoads so perhaps it works.
Hmm, one smart method Sony should take is enable the feature to install the HDD just like MS did. It would deter the genuine people who use backup manager for legal backups away from using CFW since the console already has that feature. Microsoft did it (most likely for that reason and because of the complaints of disc scratches) so Sony should do it too.
If it doesnt involve piracy, and inadvertently hurting devs, I dont see it why it would be an issue at all.
OK, so explain the lawsuits? Would Sony go about it if they knew they were going for an inevitable loss?
.... because all lawsuits by a multi-million company end in them winning? O.o
That's not true. Maybe in the US, but from what I know in the UK, it's the individuals who mostly win out.
sony doesn't even need to win they just need to outlast him and make the suit last as long as possible..... microsoft takes on suits it knows it'll lose all the time, they just wait for the guy suing them to run out of money rather than actually trying to win....
I think the law system isn't that under-developed nowadays so the rich can win simply by wasting time.
oohh...real life is so not agreeing with you there. there are more cases where big corporations lose in court than winning them!
@DualConsoleOwner Problem isn't people buying guns. It's what people do after buying their guns. Really that argument isn't that sound. Yes, it's true most use it to pirate games. But you can't legally stop something just because someone COULD do something illegal with it afterwards.
its like saying they should sell guns because people sometimes kill people with guns
Its a computer. Can you mod your computer???
but hack games' online isn't nor is playing pirated games. you can mod to make it better but not to mess around with the online, which hey you don't own.
That ruling only applied to smartphones. It didn't even include the ipad. In the future console jailbreaking may very well be ruled legal, but for the moment it is not.
I paid for my ps3 which included the otheros feature which sony removed .... So yeah I hope Sony lose that case which most likely they will and I dont care if the PS3 lose money on piracy ... Oh and don't waste your time replying or calling me a fanboy or PM me with any other stupid crap, because I dont care and wont even borther looking at it.
You wont look at it because you know Sony is in the right and anyone saying so has more facts behind their arse than you.
Lol, Soldier one, Sony is not in the right at all. When you BUY something, it is supposed to be YOURS. And thus you are allowed to do whatever the hell you want with YOUR PROPERTY. If some people use that property to pirate games, well then that's something illegal they chose to do. And perhaps take some time to read Ryudo's comment further up this page..
At the moment modding your console to bypass the security and run unauthorized software is not legal, the DMCA may yet be changed to include game consoles but right now it's still not legal. But even if they make modding your console legal, that doesn't mean that publishing parts of the consoles software (like the root key) is legal. That is still under copyright so what geohotz did is most likely going to get him in the end.
NYC_Gamer is correct. it's a slippery slope once you tell consumers what they can/cannot do with the product they bought. consumers should not be at the mercy of the manufacturers.
Great read, thanks for posting it
You can do whatever you like to your console, but if you take it online and mess up others game play experience then it's a different matter altogether.
yessssss, i hope the ps4 is open for mods, i was reading that hackers use pc mods on the ps3 games and they kind of work but its not 100%perfect.
disagree from ignorant users. look http://www.ps3hax.net/showt...
I think people are just disagreeing with you because of the negative stigma attached to any sort of hacking on this site...despite the fact that there's lots of good things that come from it too like mods and fan translations(all those japan only tales games will eventually get translated by fans :D)
true, like like know saw the news that you can download any psn game and dlc for free. ''i'm tempted, but i will not do it until maybe the ps4 comes out, sony owns me over $300 in sending two times my ps3 for repair, pluss a lot of save games that i lost and a sd memory card with pictures that i lost forever'' http://ps3pirata.com/topic1...
That would be fine, but when Steam type or some other strict type of DRM happens don't complain. Your copy of your game will be registered to your account. No more used game market. Maybe internet connection required to play at all. Intellectual Property must be protected somehow. It's one of those things you can't have both ways.
Fuck yeah I wana put rims on my PS3
And spray it with a killer stripe.
Lol bubs+ Thats the thing. Its alright to buy a car second hand, and its alright to mod your car, yet when it comes to buying games second hand and modding your OWN console, companies go ape-crap
But if it leads to piracy, then no. Im all for homebrew, but when you hear someone's tinkering with hardware, it's not wrong to assume it will probably lead to piracy.
Still, the thing is some modders got started because of wanting to play region locked titles. That's why I did it to my SNES and PS1, but then I still bought the games legally. And of course today those games are on PC emulators.
I wonder if that's why Sony let games from any region play on the PS3 - to stop piracy. Again with the Linux - I bet it was the intention to stop the need for piracy. I bet it was just the heads of the company that got cold feet, not PlayStation folk.
The Linux thing was probably a half-hearted attempt that might have lead to PS3 related home made apps. I say half hearted because Kutaragi or Harrison were likely behind it. With neither no long at Sony anymore.
Yes. As long as you don't Pirate, Share or Ruin Online on any Mother F***ing games.
And how would they allow modding, but stop pirating? And how would the game console maker tell the difference between these two people?
There are 2 types of mods, Hardware and Software. I guess people don't understand that the Hardware is yours to keep and can do whatever you want with it. You can put a bomb on it and Sony would not give a f***ing S***. But the softwares are belong to Sony's. It's in the manual and users agreement. Tempering on the software part is what annoyed Sony. You agreed on the users agreement and Sony expect you to follow the rules on their terms. I guess what I'm referring is you can do legal hardware modding such as changing colors, different case, add-on accessories and etc. but not software modding. You can't stop piracy, but you can put an examples on what would happen to the people who practice/ promote piracy.
This will be one of the big reasons for console manufacturers and game developers will eventually move toward cloud storage for all games. We won't even download the games. That will leave them in control of the actual game code and not allow others to copy and reverse engineer the protection that is on the disc. Consoles will become dumb presentation tools. Have fun hacking while you can.
PC is right around the corner
No, you shouldn't be able to mod a console. It defeats the purpose of a console. You buy a console because you want a guarantee that any game released for that system will play on that system with a reasonable amount of performance. If you want to mod go over to the pc, where you should have the performance overhead. Don't start screwing with a console because the consoles are much more tied to one another. Piracy on the PSP is an example. The piracy rate on the psp caused devs to not want to spend a significant amount of money on a game that might not recoup them their investment. If people want to start fiddling with consoles and muck about with them then you create this same hesitancy with the non mobile consoles.
Yeah, then you have problems with online games like COD, because they mod it to win. Yeah sorry but consoles are not the same as PC and modding them isn't the same thing as upgrading a PC.
People can hack games on a PC.. People can hack games on a console.. Both are gaming platforms.. What's the problem here again?
Problem is that it isn't the samething.
You should be able to yeah, just not share code thats not yours with the rest of the world thats where things change.
People seem to not see what Sony is really pissed about. Sony knew that it was only a matter of time for the PS3 to be hacked. The real issue is these hackers released what they found out. And although they say that its not mean for piracy they had to have known that anyone with the same know how they have can modify their tools to be used for piracy.These guys opened pandoras box.
yes I should because I paid for it therefore it's mine! I'll mod that sh* so much it will be baffing out home made tasty homebrews! It's like Microsoft saying pc gamers should not mod their pc! -Ninja Gaiden 3-is sick!:)
The biggest problem I have is the cheaters online. I don't mind what people do offline,(can't do anything about others pirating/cheating/modding offline(I don't do it though)), but online it spoils the game for others. I will never pirate any game for my PS3. I don't mind paying for my games,(most developers deserve the money) and have 85 blu-ray disc games.By the end of this year should have over 100 hopefully. I also would never cheat online as its not fair on the others playing and if I come across cheaters I will report them.
You wouldn’t steal a car. You wouldn’t steal a handbag. You wouldn’t steal a television. You wouldn’t steal a games console. Modding your console is stealing. Stealing is against the law. Modding. It’s a crime.
Man, I hope you are making some kind of a point through sarcasm, otherwise...
I think he's quoting a ridiculous anti-piracy commercial that aired once. Or at least some of it and tweaking it to this story. Because I'm fairly sure I remember seeing a video that started off similar to that. edit: found it :D http://www.youtube.com/watc...
add modding leads to piracy and piracy is against the law then you can make your conclusion.
modding leads to piracy piracy makes games developers go bust making developers go bust destroys the games industry the destruction of the games industry leads to unemployment unemployment leads to broken dreams broken dreams leads to a living nightmare a living nightmare leads to the breakdown of society the breakdown of society leads to anarchy anarchy leads to burning and looting burning and looting leads to mass loss of life loss of life leads to the end of civilisation modding will destroy the world
Movies get pirated to hell these days... Yet films are still making record sales numbers... Interesting, isn't it? And even music, it didn't suddenly die from mass piracy. It merely adapted it's business model to conform to the new standard in society of sharing files. Used games hurts developers A LOT more than piracy ever will. Pirates are mostly made up of people who never had the money for the product in the first place, and thus the developer has not actually missed out on or lost any money. But they have gained a larger fan base at least. Which is the plus side of piracy, allowing the less fortunate to still experience these amazing games, movies and music, and then spread the world about them to others, increasing somethings popularity.
Modding is not a crime. Reverse engineering is not a crime. Modding will not lead to the breakdown of civilization. Modding your console is not a crime nor is it stealing. Modding your console does not automatically lead to piracy. People who say it leads to piracy 90% of time are full of shit and don't have anything to back that up. I can say that drinking milk on a Saturday gives you cancer. Do I have any way to back that up? No. Nothing you have said makes sense.
you're are a naive idealist if you dont believe that modding doesnt lead to piracy. how do you think video game piracy works? you mod the software, heard of PSP? yeah it got homebrew and developers didn't want to back it up because every game got pirated like hell. physical modding is legal, software security breaching is ILLEGAL. dont like it? TO BAD GO CHANGE THE DAMN LAW.
Its not illegal in Canada, hardware and software modding is perfectly legal. It is legal to make back ups for personal use. It is also legal to bypass security steps in software, but again thats supposed to be for only personal use. I know most modding leads to piracy im just saying that its not illegal everywhere and it shouldnt be.
i mod my car i bought with my own money to make it faster. i mod my PC with overclocking/liquid cooling to make it more efficient, i mod a lot of things i OWN. if i mod my ps3 does that make me a pirate? no, it doesnt.
It voids your warranty though and any other services that come along with your purchase as well, dont forget that. Same thing with modding a console, you should be denied access to their online service (As its theirs not ours) and you shouldnt have access to warranty services.
yes, your landlord does own your property. you can hang pictures on the wall, but you can't knock a hole through the wall, or decide to build an extension on it without permission. it is not yours, it belongs to your land lord. you are essentially paying him or her to borrow it for a while. when you stop paying, he/she will take that privilege away from you. same thing with any other material thing really, when you buy it, you dont really ever own it. you are just borrowing it for an indefinite amount of time. you could destroy it if you want (depending on what it is) but what would be the point? if you modify your console you are straight away corrupting it, it loses part, if not all of its 'value,' the manufacturer wont want anything to do with it once you modify it, and neither will any 'respectable' 3rd party. you can mod your car, but there are restrictions... you can't give it a boeing 747 engine, for example. you can't put massive spikes on the bumper to impale people on. there are restrictions! you can mod your pc, but only within the law. you can't mod it to hack into government computers etc. its the same with console modding... what is it for? modding generally implies you are changing your console to do something it isnt suppose to do. and those restrictions are there for legal reasons. if you mod your console, you really have no respect, and are on the first step on the path of a criminal life. :) the way companies control digital media, really does make it very clear what i am saying is true. you buy their software, whether that is a dvd, music or video game, and it is yours. you can take it to your friends, you can lend them it. but can you give them a copy? no! so its not really 'yours' is it. you are just paying the developer for the privilege to 'keep' it for an indefinite amount of time. if it was yours (ie you made the game yourself,) then fine, you could do what you want, copy it a million times and give them to strangers on the street. but its not yours! same goes for the console, it is the prperty of somebody else, practically every screw and chip belongs to somebody else, not you. just because you buy it, doesn't make it 'yours.'
PCZ were you one of the guys that bought into reefer maddness as well? Cause you seem just like the type...
well ofc modding voids warranties and should not be able to go to PSN with it. but modding is your decision and consequences is part of that. ut modding is not equal to pirating.
"Modding your console is stealing." No when you mod a console you're increasing your control over it. And a console is made of metal and plastic, which are both a type of substance. And since you own it you possess it. That means you are in possession of a controlled substance. So really modding your console is cocaine.
physical mods are OK, however the software and it's security is all sony's ip and copyright, laws state you cannot break security systems. the end, this isnt criminal court this is civil court.
No to the title!
Its your property after purchase you can do whatever the hell you want with it