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Submitted by EddyD 1182d ago | news

One Handed Kinect > Mouse

Botchweed: "PC gamers are usually better than their console counterparts at FPS games because they have the mouse which is a huge advantage." (Dev, PC, Tech, Xbox 360)

Agent-86  +   1182d ago
Quote from the article: "PC gamers are usually better than their console counterparts at FPS games because they have the mouse which is a huge advantage. Though now it may seem that console owners, or more specifically Kinect owners could have the upper hand."

The upper hand, really? I'm sorry, but they'll still get owned by KB/M users. Don't understand why they even try. Kinect might be able to do FPS games, but they never do them well. I play shooters for hours at a time. A Kinect FPS will be tiring, not as accurate, and using gestures to do routine things would be cumbersome plus prone to having the wrong action triggered in the heat of battle (Damnit, I wanted to switch weapons, not reload!). Why would anyone want to play a FPS like that?
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MAJ0R  +   1182d ago
yeah lets really put it to the test, Kinect player vs KB/M player in counter strike... I wonder who would win
Biggest  +   1182d ago
I wonder if Captain Kinect will come to make sense of all this? Where is Ja Rule, I mean Bigpappy?
Non_sequitur  +   1182d ago
@Biggest
He's probably typing a page long comment about how afraid you are of Kinect.
evrfighter  +   1182d ago
some people really want to like kinect apparently.
Bigpappy  +   1182d ago
Did some one call?!
I would say it is a very impressive tech demo that could lead to other developements on Kinect. There are many options for Kinect. Who knows what will come of this?

The head line of the article is there to get your attention. It succeeded at that. I am not here to convince you or anyone else that Kinect is better or not as good as a mouse. What I can say with certainty, is that Kinect is in fact more accurate now then when I got it 2 months ago. I am excited to see where it is going, and what comes next.
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jjohan35  +   1181d ago
One question: How do you strafe with this?

The entire 5 minute clip, I did not see him strafe side to side at all. The movements he did in the video only seem useful if you're using Marathon, Lightweight, and Commando...
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seinfan  +   1182d ago
That's how I feel about any motion controller.
ChronoJoe  +   1182d ago
I can play with an XBOX controller at much greater levels of accuracy and response speeds than any instant showcased throughout that video.

Seemed silly.
N4GAddict  +   1182d ago
I don't know about that
Incipio  +   1182d ago
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH A HAHAHA

*Takes deep breath*

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHA HAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

This article is so full of wrongness and fail that I just can't believe it.

In fact, Imma make up a new word for this incorrectness.

Failharderrificness.
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Chnswdchldrn  +   1182d ago
not even gonna read the article

to make such a ludicrous statement, all they want are hits

youd be a fucking fool to think any technology associated with kinect is better at FPS than Mouse and keyboard, perhaps in the future maybe something in terms of motion gaming will come along and displace Mouse and Keybo, but that aint happening for a while folks
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TardcoreGamer  +   1182d ago
Yeah. I have a Kinect and am a little skeptical about that notion. What with the response (or lack there of) and input lag that is apparent with the device(30 fps camera?). Here's hoping for Kinect2 with a possible 240htz speed or even better.
edonus  +   1182d ago
What Lack of response?

Do you mean the animation lag......ther is no input lag with Kinect.

Don't believe me? Since you own it turn it on and go to the dash board. Look at the little screen that shows your hands glowing. That little screen is evidence that Kinect actually tracks your movement 1:1 very fast. Here is an experiment try to move your hands fast enough to here you throw the light on your hands of or make it have to catch up with you......see....you can't. Thats just a light being used but could easily be a reticule sword pointer.

I think where people get confused about lag with Kinect is they dont understand the game they are playing are doing something different than motion tracking. Kinect is actually doing motion capture gaming.

The difference is Motion control is when you move your motion interacts with somthing on the screen.
Motion capture control is you move, your movements are animate something in the game and that something interacts with something ealse in the game.

These issues should be easily remedied with as they develop more games for it. Theyll either make the intrpetations simpler or tighter. The frame rate of the camera has nothing to do with the software interpretation speed. The only way the rate and hertz of the camera would help is with reording and broadcasting video.
TardcoreGamer  +   1182d ago
Whether its a software or hardware issue I can sense a disconnect between my motion and what happens onscreen. Really though I hope its just a software issue because that could be fixed in time. I appreciate that you are sharing your knowledge on the subject though. Input lag is a peeve of mine for real. So much that I go to extreme lengths that most would never consider including gaming on a CRT screen when it comes to competitive FPS. OCD for sure.
Bigpappy  +   1182d ago
edonus: is correct. There is no input lag with Kinect. It is infact capable of 1:1.

M$ latest update has already shown, that the early software is not taking full advatage to kinect's ability to quickly and accurately read your motion. After the update, I sense a mark difference in responsiveness to moving the pointer around the screen. It use to be a bit floaty, but now I can move that pointer with millimeter accuracy around the screen.
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Biggest  +   1181d ago
You don't even know what 1:1 motion means, Captain Kinect. It has nothing to do with input lag. There is input lag on the Kinect. Even on PC, which is where you can get the lowest amount of input lag right now, you will have lag. Controllers have lag. Even a mouse has input lag. Kinect has more than all of them combined. Lie to yourself harder so that you don't ever find out.
edonus  +   1181d ago
@ Tardcore
I know the same disconnect you are talking about but like Isaid thats just the initial tries of the 1st generation developers. Some of the games are actually very responsive already. I pretty much consider the games they have released as of now advanced lengthy demos. The next set should be a lot better.
@ Biggest
Of course we are refering to 1:1 in respects to how it is referenced to gaming. In actuality all the motion devices do 1:1. It only means tracking and translating a movement the by the same ratio of space. It doesnt even have anything to do with speed. And yes all devices have input lag and like we are saying with Kinect it can be programed and masked just like it is now. And you are making an unsupported statement, there is no supporting evidence of Kinect having more input lag than any other piece of equipment out there.
Biggest  +   1181d ago
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

Do those count as evidence? I can only go off of the information given by people that find the information for a living. They say and show the lag. I believe that there is lag.

I know that some people know what 1:1 motion is. You can see from Captain Kinect's comment that not everyone knows. I think that the hands in Kinectimals (I can't believe such a game is a reference point for anything. wtf guys?) are meant to be 1:1 screen to user. The dance motions for Dance Central (Seriously. How is this game allowed to be a reference point?) are not 1:1 screen to user.
edonus  +   1181d ago
That is actually a good video to see what i'm talking about.

That is the calibration screen its tracking specific points. Where people get lost is they are looking the body skeleton....remember Kinect maps the body turns it into point and uses that data to animate the character.

Look at the purple dot that cover the guys hand. That dot was right on his hand at every increment of his hand stopping and thats nothing but point to point data all it need to process the movement is the start and stop. The lag comes from the blur of his body being mapped. Actually if you look really close look how the purple dot even moves real slight when his hand wobbles a little from the motion.

With Kinect i think its a situation where people don't know what to look for.
GuruStarr78  +   1182d ago
Kinect with some type of navigation controller, might work well.......

I own a Kinect myself, pretty much for game reviewing purposes only......otherwise, I have not used it at all..

I hope we get the option to used it in conjunction with some type of "controller" in the future, as that is the only way I think it's ever going to break through to core gamers.
Pixel_Enemy  +   1182d ago
Just like Eyetoy and Move..
Chug  +   1182d ago
You'd have to be full blown retarded to believe Kinect>>> Mouse.
cereal_killa  +   1182d ago
Never go full retard man look what happen to Sean Penn.
Kakkoii  +   1182d ago
Or Sarah Palin.
Chug  +   1182d ago
LMFAO!!
blackburn5  +   1182d ago
And the jokes just keep on coming. I mean seriously? Even a Move despite it's accuracy isn't quite as good as a mouse. People are starting to let Kinect sales go to their heads and saying a lot of strange things. I would rather put my money on Move VS Mouse rather then Kinect VS Mouse. Just stop.
PotatoClock  +   1182d ago
Building up hype with BS articles for a lesser quality product than everything else avaliable?

Sounds like M$ have taken a page out of Activision's book.
hassi94  +   1181d ago
Again, while these are actually all 3rd party hacks which have nothing to do with Microsoft. Stop bashing MS for the sake of it. It's not as cool as you think.
Just_The_Truth  +   1182d ago
neither move or kinect will be as great as the mouse because you need a certain distance, lighting or and many other factors that may disrupt your gaming plus who wants to hold their hand up for hours, you can but is it better?

i have move and love it waiting to try it with killzone on the 2nd but don't think it'll be better than controller
Obama  +   1182d ago
Well they have proof which is right here

http://www.youtube.com/watc...
Xristo  +   1182d ago
Kinect>Mouse...lol...too funny

Only thing possibly better than a mouse is this:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Wish it were mass produced...a company is suppose to be working on it.
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Blaine  +   1182d ago
DAMN!

Make it wireless, remove the screen from the gun and replace it with 3D Goggles, and have the player stand on a 360-degree free-moving platform (like a treadmill, but moves at the same speed as you in the opposite direction, in every direction, so you stay on the same spot) and we're ready for the future. XD
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Blaine  +   1182d ago
"Pew-pew"

Fail.

Kinect <<<<<<< Dual analog <<< M&KB
2v1  +   1181d ago
yea.. every time i play kinect i drink mi milk shake!
btk  +   1181d ago
Yeah right...
Just check the specs. Not technically possible.

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