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PS3’s Dirty Secrets: 5 Things Sony Doesn't Want You To Know About

NowGamer: The Xbox 360 isn’t the only console to be hiding some nasty little secrets; the PS3 isn’t so innocent either. Sony has secrets of its own, and it doesn’t want you to hear them...

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pedrami912465d ago

How predictable....

Then again, the 360 got one, why wouldn't the PS3 ?

ksense2465d ago

no kiddin..... this is just wishing for everything in a system. no system is perfect so i dont expect everything from a certain system but at the same time i want them to be reliable not like 360 where you pretty much knew you are going to get RROD (it appears to be better now but still launched with such a huge problem) and also paying for online? really? pay for system, pay for game, pay for dlc and pay for online also that i am already paying my ISP for.

my system has backwards compatibility but i barely use it. if people didn't whine and complain about pricing so much it would have stayed. besides i love the hd collection making them playable. there is no way i am playing a ps2 game on a hdtv that looks horrendous now.

deadreckoning6662465d ago (Edited 2465d ago )

"my system has backwards compatibility but i barely use it. if people didn't whine and complain about pricing so much it would have stayed. besides i love the hd collection making them playable. there is no way i am playing a ps2 game on a hdtv that looks horrendous now."

^^THIS. If u want to play PS2 games that much...you can get a used PS2 for $40-50 on Ebay.

"Honestly, none of you even wanted your names attached to this hit whoring trash. NowGamer Team Blog my ass."

I like how everytime a site says something negative towards the PS3 and/or its exclusives...the SDF say that all they want is hits. Very defensive people. Their minds are so clouded with stupid that they can't realize that articles like these are meant to inform future HD console buyers.

SuperLupe2465d ago (Edited 2465d ago )

@ksense, regarding backwards compatibilty

I've never played the Persona series and have been wanting to play it for more than 2 years now. I dont have a PS2 anymore so the only solution is to wait for Sony to make a "HD remake" ?? wtf.

And NO dont be that naive as to believe that PS2 emulation was taken out to reduce the cost of the PS3. It's for business reasons thats it. Do you think the GOW colllection would have sold 1 million+ if backward compatibilty were still there ? Come on dude, Sony didnt a single hd remake when BC was still there now there pumping out several per year, what a coincidence huh.

Venatus-Deus2465d ago

@ Dead

The 360 article was also hit whoring trash.

MysticStrummer2465d ago

@SuperLupe - "I don't have a PS2 anymore so the only solution is to wait for Sony to make a HD remake??" I guess the now very cheap PS2 is being kept away from your community by the local warlord...? Sorry for your luck. My original PS3 was BC and I never used it. I would have bought the GoW collection anyway, and the same goes for the Ico/Shadow of the Colossus collection. I would also go for a collection of the PS2 Silent Hills and Metal Gears, regardless of the BC of my PS3.

ksense2465d ago

wow Superlupe

like someone already pointed out you can get a ps2 for like 30 to 40$ and play every single ps2 game that you missed out on at dirt cheap prices.
You really think they had all these hd collections in mind when they removed BC from slims? they tested it for gow and it worked wonders and now all the publishers want to do remakes to make a quick buck. you know what as far as I am concerned it is a choice and I think games like gow and shadow of the colossus deserve to be remade in hd graphics.

I tried playing ps2 games and it really turns me off after playing beautiful looking games like uncharted, heavy rain etc.... I have to connect my SD tv back for it to be playable again.

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Biggest2465d ago (Edited 2465d ago )

"I like how everytime a site says something negative towards the PS3 and/or its exclusives...the SDF say that all they want is hits. Very defensive people. Their minds are so clouded with stupid that they can't realize that articles like these are meant to inform future HD console buyers."

It's funny you say that. There was ONE single item listed that may be information for future HD buyers. The PS3 has a lacking wireless connection. If they had written this article/blog and left it at that, I would let you say it was meant as information for future buyers. Posting it here is what proves it to be hit whoring. No one on this site cares about anything they listed. We either own a PS3 because we want to own a PS3, or we don't own a PS3 because we don't want to own a PS3. I missed the 360 hit whoring article because I don't care about their secrets. I doubt they're secret to anyone here anyway. We either own a 360 because we want to own a 360, or we don't own a 360 because we don't want to own a 360.

Edit: God of War I/II. Sly Cooper. Prince of Persia.
There is also a confirmed Ico/Shadow of the Colossus on the way this year.

What about us PS3 owners with PS3 60G, DK286K? I bought the GoW Collection, the Sly Collection, the Prince of Persia Collect, AND I will be buying the Team ICO Collection. Do I want the upgraded versions because I don't have BC built in though I do?

UnwanteDreamz2465d ago

@deadrecon

SDF? - Man using that almost negates any point you might have thought you had.

Guess you didn't see the XBox fans run to defend their console when the other article hit yesterday?

Highlife2465d ago

I got BC on my fat 60 gig I used it in during the first year even got the memory card reader for it. Resistance was one of the few games I played so bc was nice then. But after the first year there have been to many great games I don't use it anymore. It was nice to have but if it weren't there I don't think I would have cared.

nickjkl2465d ago (Edited 2465d ago )

i loled at the wireless thing though which is weird because theirs not many people in the united states

even comcast doesnt offer speeds over 50 Mb/s download and 10 Mbs upload

same with verizon

and most people in the united states dont even have internet that surpasses 1.5 MB/s download let alone 50 mb/s which is 6MB/s

you also gotta remember even if you have the fastest internet in the world it still depends on the server you download from if you will get all of that speed utilized

and just for comparison i have 20mb/s download but only 3mb/s upload and im above average on my isp

even south korea who has the best internet in the world at the moment doesnt surpass 50 mb/s they only have an average speed of 30 mb/s uplaod and download

CANT BELIEVE THEY WOULD EVEN CALL 50mbs slow this article should not be trusted

BOOOM to the power of BOOM

BloodyNapkin2465d ago

Again thats 95 less dirty secret then MS.....

Seferoth752465d ago

@Nick,
Just got EPB Internet and I live in Tennessee. I have 30mb/sec which is their lowest speed and they offer all the way up to 1000mb/sec speeds for residential.

Not that I think the wireless speed is slow but you might want to look into it a bit more as your knowledge is clearly outdated on Internet speeds

rpgenius4202465d ago

@nickjkl:

Unfortunately you have no idea what you are talking about. This has nothing to do with the bandwidth going in and out of your home. Yes if you have a crappy Internet connection like 1.5 mbp/s you will lag on any console. Now stream an HD movie over your wireless g network with the ps3 and watch as it pauses every 30 seconds to catch up. Do that same thing on 360 on a wireless n network and no lag whatsoever. I have a 100 mbp/s line thats 11MB/s dl and 5 MB/s upload. Verizon Fios! Wireless n was made mostly for streaming HD video and making your home network faster. It also helps with the range of the wireless device.

JackBNimble2465d ago

@Seferoth ...you're either full of shit or you just don't know what you're talking about.

"Just got EPB Internet and I live in Tennessee. I have 30mb/sec which is their lowest speed and they offer all the way up to 1000mb/sec speeds for residential." ...this statement made me lol.

@rpgenius420
I stream netflex wireless and never have problems, so what are you talking about?

DragonKnight2465d ago

I like how this article is 5 things everyone knows. Let's pick it apart point by point.

1. Sony is holding back PS2 emulation. First of all, if you want PS2 games, buy a PS2, problem solved. Second. Only the original 60GB Phat PS3's (which I am a proud owner of) had real success with PS2 emulation as it has a built-in PS2 within it. What this article fails to mention is that the other BC compatible SKU's had limited success with it, and also people complained so much about the price of the PS3, things had to be cut out and that was one. And finally for this point, you don't see ANYONE complaining about having classic PS2 games remastered into HD and having Trophy support added now do you. It isn't just Sony's choice, it's the devs and publishers of the games as well.

2. This happens in anything you can buy that has a limited time warranty. You expect the manufacturer to fix your product for free forever or something? It happens. It sucks, but it happens. And MS was forced to do something drastic like a 3 year warranty or else face a very damaging, very large class action lawsuit for their laughable failure rate which, the very best estimation puts at 33% of consoles sold in the first 2 years. That's painfully ridiculous. I've also never had YLOD or BLOD but did have my diode cut out on my old PS3. Not really an issue, just standard business practices involving warranties.

3. Limited wireless technology? Yeah I suppose it's easy to include IEEE 802.11n tech when you wait for 4 years to do it. I guess you're forgetting that the PS3 has had wireless from the get go, while the 360 didn't. Yeah, that's a secret MS wants you to forget. This point is laughable. And also down to ISP issues as well so, do your research.

4. Game patch sizes are the responsibility of the developers making them, not Sony. End of point.

5. Considering that there are 45 million PS3's and 65 million PSP's out in the world, each one capable of having at least one PSN account, 60 million is a small number. Just remember, it COULD be 110 million accounts if only one user made an account on each device. And plus, what does it matter? It doesn't. You do understand that Xbox Live Silver accounts are free to make too right? And that you can make them online, and that you can use different emails and gamertags etc... So yeah.

Lame article is lame.

MRMagoo1232465d ago

seferoth is saying they have 1gig a sec internet where he lives ??????????????? my speed on speedtest.net comes up as one of the fastest connections in the world in the top 5% and its no way near 1gig a second very very far away from that actually.

JBaby3432464d ago (Edited 2464d ago )

Thank you dragonknight for summarizing this article's faults so well. They could have tried a little harder.

Bubbles for a well written comment.

DragonKnight2464d ago

@JBaby: Thank you for the Bubbles, bubbles in return. It's as I said, these are things everyone knows and not really secrets, plus all of these points are nitpicky things that really have little or nothing to do with Sony.

nickjkl2464d ago (Edited 2464d ago )

oh god i got 8 disagrees

my face when these kids dont know about they internet speeds

http://files.sharenator.com...

also @rpgenius

you should be very careful in reading because i was very careful in writing MB/s and mbps which your brain probably cant understand

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rpgenius4202461d ago

I'm not talking about Netflix. I'm talking about 1080p movies I have on my comp that I stream to my ps3.

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Venatus-Deus2465d ago (Edited 2465d ago )

1. I prefer HD Collections with added trophies than just playing old games.
2. Yep, I got Ylod. It sucks.
3. Never had any problems. Shame about the 40m 360’s that don’t have wireless.
4. That’s just a lame reason. Prove the 360 is better…
5. How is this bad for any end users? What about the PSP?

Seems like somebody was really struggling to get 5

Edit:

Everybody dismissing the article has 4/5 disagrees v's no agrees. I think we have some Nowgamer writers in the house!

Honestly, none of you even wanted your names attached to this hit whoring trash. NowGamer Team Blog my ass.

Convas2465d ago (Edited 2465d ago )

Are you insinuating that the PS3 has no weaknesses? Like Pedrami said, the 360 got one, and whilst reason number 5 is silly and doesn't really matter to anyone besides company analysts, fair is fair, the PS3 has to get one as well.

Neither systems are perfect, accept it, and move on.

LunaticBrandon2465d ago

You prefer paying $60 for an old game? Just to let you know these "HD" remakes are no better looking than the original game running on an emulator.

Venatus-Deus2465d ago (Edited 2465d ago )

Number 2 isn't a weakness?

The Arcticle isn't about weakness is it. It's about things Sony doesn't want you to know.

The 360 article was also crap. Thats why they don't put their names on it.

Also ksense comment below sums things up nicely about number 1.

Edit:

@ LunaticBrandon

They don't cost $60 do they?

Do you have an emulator running on you PS3. Say what now?

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nycredude2465d ago

Lunatic

Get your eyes checked bro. First you say Killzone 3 looks just like Killzone 2 and now you think these hd remakes look the same. Seriously you are retarded.

Also check your facts also before looking retard when you comment. It's cost $40 for two full hd remakes with trophies. Does emulators have trophies?

you telling me you wouldn't pay $40 for SOTC and ICO in HD with no tearing, slowdown and trophies. What about the SLy collection? THREE full games! Trust me these are better deals than your average $60 shooters.

LunaticBrandon2465d ago (Edited 2465d ago )

"First you say Killzone 3 looks just like Killzone 2"

I never said that.

So I was wrong on the pricing but $20 for a game that old is ridiculous. I find it hilarious you think trophies are worth paying for.

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Venatus-Deus2465d ago

@DK286K

There are 3 collections available with a total of 8 games.

Did I play any PS2 games with my 60 gb Launch ps3? No.

Have the collections offered me something new to motivate me to replay these games again? Yes.

Would I be motivated to play 1000's of old games on my PS3 having already played the ones I wanted to play on my PS2? No.

Does that answer your question?

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IRetrouk2465d ago

well if those peps wanted backwards compatable ps3s then they shoulda bought one at launch and not been so cheep, anyone that bought a newer one knew there was no bc, and who really wants to play old sd games anyway, they look horrible, and yes there are only a few hd remakes so far, but they are good ones, bc is not important, how many original xbox games do you play from the small list that the 360 lets you play, i would hazard a quess at none.

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Kon_Artist 2465d ago

I cant wait for the 10 unannounced ps3 exclusives!

Jazz41082465d ago

Like I said during the article on the 360 yesterday that both systems have problems. And there not perfect. What upset me was that just about every comment was from a sony fan hating on the 360.bthis site n4g is so biased to sony that most think the ps3 is peefect and better at everything then the 360 and its simply not true. I'm sure I lost bubbles yesterday from saying both systems have faults including the mighty ps3. I just want people to realize that hating on one console is stupid as they both are. Good units and play great games.

BLACKBOIJONES2465d ago (Edited 2465d ago )

Nice... One of the first NON BIAS articles ive seen in a long time :)
Now 360/ps3 fan boys can shut up for a while.

They are 2 things i agree to this articles.

1) It is true that wireless dose not work very well, i used to use wireless before and i get lag sometimes online and its a bit slow but when i connected to wired connection is much better.

2) The patch/instal is damn right annoying, and not only dose it happen to ps3 exclusive games. I remember games like devil may cry 4,gta4 just to name a few had to install and devil may cry had like a 30-40 min install while the 360 version was just put cd in and play. And MGS4 was one of the worst, every time u load a different chapter it had to install for a while(even tho i found snake smoking while it installed cool) it annoyed me a bit. I just hope they take care of that with future games if not people will keep saying patch station 3(which i think is immature)

The rest are minor to me, the ps3 fail rate is very low compared to the 360 and as for backwards capability i dont need that, i look to the future of games not to the past. Why will u want to play killzone 1 when u can play killzone 3.

@Roronoa-Zoro (ABOVE) LOL....If that should happen i dont think the 360 can compete with the ps3 when it comes to exclusive games from now to next year :p

Christopher2465d ago

***But why on earth would Sony want to keep its gamers from the wealth of quality last-gen games available?***

I'm on the fence about this, but the #1 reason Sony cited two years ago was that software emulation would open the door to a lot of piracy of older games. I'm not saying it's the only reason, but I can see how this would be an issue since software emulation would bypass much of the hardware-based security protocols, or open them up to be easily modified by hackers without any hardware modding required.

***If you’re outside of the first year manufacturer’s warranty then Sony won’t be so lenient; at the cost of £145 – over half the price of a brand new PS3 – you’ll get a refurbished model (read: previously broken) with only a three month warranty***

I believe you only get refurbs for the out of production models, not the Slim models. This may differ from store-specific warranty programs not managed or covered by Sony.

Also, you can now extend your warranty up to two years via the PSN.

***Xbox 360 slims don’t have this problem since they’re built on IEEE 802.11n hardware, compared to 802.11g of the PS3.***

Really? You can stream 1080i movies fine with an 802.11n or 802.11g wireless connection. The extra bandwidth capabilities of an 802.11n router really is only beneficial to those who do a lot of network file transfers or live in a house where there are many thick walls and the signal ends up being degraded from one side of the house to the other.

***arguably more so than the Xbox 360 whose patches are rumoured to be limited to around only 4MB***

That's false. What the 360 has is a much more advanced file distribution architecture that allows for rapid deployment combined with an install process that is seamless. Their file sizes are similar to that of the PS3 in most cases, though, ranging from a few MB to 100MB.

***And for games with multiple versions, you’ll have to redownload the entire patch of the previous version, increasing the file size each time.***

That's also false. You only need to install the latest version of an update as each following update will contain the necessary code from previous updates as well as the current updates.

The PS3 download and install process does take a lot longer than the 360 process, though. Surprisingly, DCUO had their own process that, after downloading a few GBs of data, took less time than many 300MB downloads I've had from the PSN. Something Sony should _really_ look into.

gamingdroid2465d ago (Edited 2465d ago )

"I'm on the fence about this, but the #1 reason Sony cited two years ago was that software emulation would open the door to a lot of piracy of older games. I'm not saying it's the only reason, but I can see how this would be an issue since software emulation would bypass much of the hardware-based security protocols, or open them up to be easily modified by hackers without any hardware modding required. "

If anything that would at best only enable PS2 piracy, which already exist on the PS2 in droves. Leaving BC (even hybrid software/hardware) wouldn't really cost that much per unit. Sony wanted to sell you their remixed HD PS2 games.

"I believe you only get refurbs for the out of production models, not the Slim models. This may differ from store-specific warranty programs not managed or covered by Sony."

That is not true, my cousin got a refurb for a production model. However, this is standard practice for most electronics company except only leaving 3 months of warranty ignoring your remaining time. It's usually the remaining time of your warranty or 3 months, whatever comes last. That is unusual practice and doesn't seem correct.

"Really? You can stream 1080i movies fine with an 802.11n or 802.11g wireless connection. The extra bandwidth capabilities of an 802.11n router really is only beneficial to those who do a lot of network file transfers or live in a house where there are many thick walls and the signal ends up being degraded from one side of the house to the other. "

This I agree with, there is little tangible benefit of having 802.11n at the moment and would be absurdly costly when the PS3 was released.

However, I believe a 5GHz wave (as 820.11n is), would actually shorten your signal distance and lower wall penetration. It would however, avoid interference with your phone and microwave, since the 2.4GHz wave is very crowded.

However, you can't stream 1080p over 802.11g? Gotta go check the data sheet, but of course this is also dependent on compression and codec you are using.

"That's false. What the 360 has is a much more advanced file distribution architecture that allows for rapid deployment combined with an install process that is seamless. Their file sizes are similar to that of the PS3 in most cases, though, ranging from a few MB to 100MB."

It's not false when the 360 does have smaller file sizes...? It might not be 600MB difference, but frequently the install process, download speed and size of the download is significantly smaller.

Am I reading your answer wrong?

"That's also false. You only need to install the latest version of an update as each following update will contain the necessary code from previous updates as well as the current updates."

That is not entirely true, as I have had games where I had to repeatedly download patches. One time it took over an hour to do that wishing I didn't start that process. This was about two years ago, but since then I haven't used my PS3 too game much so I have no idea what they do now. It does make sense to combine everything into one patch and even apply them successively if technological hurdles prevents them from being applied at once.

Christopher2465d ago (Edited 2465d ago )

***However, you can't stream 1080p over 802.11g? Gotta go check the data sheet, but of course this is also dependent on compression and codec you are using.***

You can do 1080p, but technically what Netflix and Zune/XBL stream are 1080i. They call it 1080p, but it's not the same.

***That is not true, my cousin got a refurb for a production model. ***

That seems odd. Especially considering Sony's need to tie all software to the specific digital signature of the PS3. I know of a few who did get their exact model back, though perhaps Sony has changed their practice in the last year or so?

***It's not false when the 360 does have smaller file sizes...?***

The false part was that they were 4MB or less in file size. They do tend to be smaller in comparison to PSN, likely due to less bulky security infrastructure and more PC-streamlined file allocation concept, but they're not all 4MB or less. If it's a 120MB on PS3, it's likely 60-80MB on the 360.

Regardless, even if they were the same size, the 360 would still download and install much faster than the PS3.

***That is not entirely true, as I have had games where I had to repeatedly download patches.***

I've never had this. What I have had is a game like MAG where your initial install isn't the patch but what's called a patcher. Meaning, you download a 100MB app that is utilized specifically for that game to run patches. Then once that's downloaded and installed, the next download is the latest patch.

This is done in games where they expect a lot of updates, such as MAG and DCUO. These patchers allow them to control software dissemination through their own servers. Something we'll be seeing with Valve and Portal 2.

I have never had to perform multiple updates on a new game. Especially recently since my old primary PS3 died and I moved my secondary from upstairs down and went to play some older games.

Regardless of the pain of having to do some HDD installs at a slow-arse rate, none of them required me to do incremental updates.

gamingdroid2465d ago

"This is done in games where they expect a lot of updates, such as MAG and DCUO. These patchers allow them to control software dissemination through their own servers. Something we'll be seeing with Valve and Portal 2.

I have never had to perform multiple updates on a new game. Especially recently since my old primary PS3 died and I moved my secondary from upstairs down and went to play some older games."

You might be right, it might have been the patcher itself. Now why wouldn't they just include that in the game in the first place?

Regardless, I remember doing multiple updates (patcher or not) and thought it was ridiculous since I only had an hour or so to game and it took an hour to patch. I was rather upset about it, so I remember it vividly.

Christopher2465d ago (Edited 2465d ago )

***You might be right, it might have been the patcher itself. Now why wouldn't they just include that in the game in the first place? ***

No clue. Many of the things that Sony does confuse the heck out of me.

Edit: After a bit of thought, it _might_ be to prevent reverse engineering of the server information on the disc by putting it in an inaccessible location as a digitally signed file that isn't as easy to reverse engineer.

Kind of one of the reasons CoD hacks are so prevalent is they store too much info in their save files rather than as a separate, digitally signed and secure file.

Other than that slight possibility, no clue.

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UnwanteDreamz2465d ago

@pedrami91

Yep at least it was ballanced but this list is as useless as the 360 one. In both cases their "dirty secrets" are common knoledge among gamers who own the platforms.

Eyeco2465d ago

again like the 360 version, these aren't secrets we've known about these for the most part.

Especially on the 1st point there have been countless articles addressing the ps3's lack of BC so many of them.

These aren't secrets there just topics that people don't care about no more.

KotC2465d ago

I did this yesterday for the Xbox article so it's only fair I do it here. Link for reference http://n4g.com/news/683975/...

Face Palm 1. "Sony is holding back PS2 emulation" Older models do and Sony wants to make a buck with HD remakes. Whats wrong with that?

Face Palm 2. "The price of failure" It's a bit expensive but thats because it has Blu-ray and the price hasn't stopped it from selling pretty good. I do agree with the high price to fix your PS3 and the PS3 warranty does kinda suck.

Face Palm 3. "Limited wireless technology" thats because MS was first in line with the new WiFi tech. If Sony were there first it would be the other way around.

Face Palm 4. "Game patch sizes" PC and 360 also have game patches. It's the constant firmware updates that get annoying but that helps keep hackers out and adds new features.

Face Palm 5. "Active PlayStation accounts" yeah Sony should stop counting duplicate accounts as single active users to try and 1up Live, but at least it's free.

the_best_player2465d ago

The writer licks bill gates ass by the sound of it.
e.g. talking about the 360 and not "Things Sony Doesn't Want You To Know About"

hmmmmmmmmmmmm

xAlmostPro2465d ago

ps3 isnt holding back backwards compatability.. the hardware was removed when the slim was released and everyone knows this

darksied2465d ago

So many mistakes, so little time:

1. refurbished doesn't necessarily mean it was broken; it could have been returned, broken, not wanted, etc. Refurbished means it was taken to the manufacturer again and fixed to be like new.

2. The ps3 has a much lower chance of dying on you. This is a fact that not even 360 fanboys (or 360 owners) can argue about.

3. The wireless issue is VERY MISLEADING. 802.11n is ONLY useful for those people who have N routers, which are not that plentiful yet. They are there, but they're not cheap. Pretty much everyone is still using an 802.11g connection. Now, 802.11n will ONLY help you get a better NETWORK connection to the router, it will NOT make your online experience any better (better transfer rates through the network, but you're still LIMITED TO WHAT YOUR INTERNET SPEED IS. 802.11g is 54Mb, which is way more than 95% of internet speeds offered, I'm assuming (I have 12Mb). It will be a long time before 802.11g is worthless.

About this though, there is one issue I have found. The wireless on the ps3 is a little slow if it runs through the 802.11b connection. Solution: log into your router and change your wireless connection so it DOESN'T accept 802.11b. Then the ps3 will default to 802.11g and your internet speed should feel much faster.

4. Game patch sizes: that's a bad thing? I would rather get a patch that is a little big if I'm sure it's fixing the problem than a 100kb patch that I'm not sure can fix anything. I know it can be a bit slow downloading those, but I'm glad they're coming out more often on the ps3. That just means that Sony's certification process for patches is better than MS's (? I'm guessing).

5. Again, why is the number of active accounts vs the unused accounts a bad thing? It's free, so people don't feel obligated to play it 20 hours a day, unlike xbox live. If I paid for xbox live anymore (haven't for a year now) then I would be using it as much as I can, playing whenever I had the time, etc. But since psn is free, I don't feel obligated. This all falls into the argument: "well, it's free so it must be sh*t" about the psn, which is completely false. I'm going to stop there before I start comparing xbox live to the psn, because those arguments just make me mad.

Anyway, a lot of ambiguous statements about the ps3 here, only a few real facts.

starchild2464d ago

I don't agree with #2. There is no evidence that current PS3s are more reliable than current 360s. It might even be the other way around.

darksied2464d ago

Well, I said the ps3 vs the 360; not the 360 slim, not the ps3 slim, I meant overall. Chances are better overall that your ps3 will last and your 360 will die.

callahan092465d ago

About the wireless internet business... my connection from Comcast is only 12mbs anyway. So what difference does it makes if I've got wireless g or n... Both are capable of many times faster speeds than my connection can handle anyway. I suspect the same is true for the vast majority of gamers. I'm in the NYC area and I never have slow connections over PSN. In fact, my PSN connection is faster than my XBL connection, consistently.

gameraxis2465d ago (Edited 2465d ago )

the ps3 slim should have had an N card in it... wouldn't have split user base, because N cards are compatible with b and g wireless routers, I'm lucky enough to have a 25 ft Ethernet cord to reach my computer room, (i only need like 10 of it lol) but it would be nice as i just bought the slim to know there's a wireless card in there that can handle the 5 ghz channel / signal strength my router can send... BUT i also don't believe that the g card only maxes out at 54 mega BITS per second, as that would be only 5 percent of a megabyte. and I've downloaded 20 MByte vids in 12- 15 seconds wirelessly sooo yea... but i've also increased my bandwidth with comcast so my wired dl speed has been as high as 8000 kbs per second (about 5 or 6 megabytes per second), and its great! Upload on the other hand, is why i want Fios, as its half my dl speed, but still fast enough by far. But supposedly comcast is changing that, and supposedly Fios upload and download speeds are both incredibly fast... only time will tell... does anyone here have fios? i'm curious from a first hand consumer who has had both comcast and fios to see the reall no bull differences.

Non_sequitur2464d ago

I have FiOS and many of my friends have or had comcast. I have 20 down and 8 up and feel I don't need higher speeds. I never had comcast, but my friends who had it and are now using FiOS are very pleased and never plan to go back to comcast because it really is slower and their service is horrible.

lil Titan2464d ago

"Sony is holding back PS2 emulation" every one knows that
"The price of failure" there rates are still low compared to others
"Limited wireless technology" ummm...
"Game patch sizes" i think thats more the developer than the system, Next.
"Active PlayStation accounts" so can the 360 ive made many accounts just so i wont have to pay for online in the past soo

Projekt7tuning2464d ago

If you stream HD or Blu-ray "um back-ups" from your computer (Lets just call them .MKV files) to your PS3, You can't do it through the built in wireless, unless you trans-code down to maybe dvd quality. Just not enough bandwidth. 54mbps really means about 25-30 in reality. And that's mbits not M-bytes. I also have a docsis 3.0 connection that is faster than wireless G on the downstream. They are becoming much more abundant around the world. If you plan on using your PS3 or 360 as a media streamer for HD, I wouldn't suggest wireless for either. Nothing beats a good old fashion wired 1000 base network. Hopefully you have the ability to hide the wires.
And IMO as of right now, the PS3 makes a better .MKV streamer. Its a little easier to convert for using "MKV2VOB". Hopefully MS will update the types of media files it handles so I can separate the two between my room and living room as extenders.

N4g_null2464d ago

Why are you guys defending and arguing this stuff? Most of this is known or not even an issue. The problem is why do negative ps3 articles away have more ps3 fans?

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maverick402465d ago

sigh, another stupid article!

Nitrowolf22465d ago (Edited 2465d ago )

I think it's only fair to approve since the 360 one got passed.
although some of those things are stupid

@below

well this one
-The price of failure-
is technically for both consoles now since your using the Slim model for 360 in the wireless department.

From what i heard Slim model only have 1 year warrenty and you can buy the extra extended warrenty like on PS3

Strikepackage Bravo2465d ago (Edited 2465d ago )

Well, Im not so sure its a stupid article to someone who is thinking about buying a new HD console. You are just saying its stupid most likely because it says "mean things" about PS3, and on this site, that is a no no.

@ksense, how come no matter how low Sony stoops, if people have the nerve to complain about being screwed by Sony, you guys always say they are whining, but no matter how minor the issue on the other console, you guys bring it up and go on and on about it, yet that is not considered whining?

Sony promised backwards compatibility before PS3 came out, they then ripped it away, now people who do still enjoy playing their massive PS2 libraries cant do so without keeping that old relic PS2 around. I think those people have every right to complain, Sony lied, so how is that not wrong, to lie to your customers? Its wrong when MS does it, why is it ok when Sony does it?

Venatus-Deus2465d ago (Edited 2465d ago )

Or they could just buy a Phat model if they really wanted BC.

ksense2465d ago (Edited 2465d ago )

well you had your choice to buy the system with backwards compatibility when they were out for the first two years didn't you? The original had more usb ports, backwards compatibility, sd cards, touch sensitive, other os (not anymore due to hackers) and all that made 500$ worth for me and I got the mgs4 bundle so the game came with it too.

Paying for online is a minor issue?
High fail rate is a minor issue?

I am sorry bro that is not minor for me. I can play old ps2 games on my ps3 but i never do because they look horrible like I already mentioned and I still have my working ps2 even if I want to play them.

And exactly how did Sony lie? don't think they advertise backwards compatibility on the new systems do they now? You sound as though they made you think backwards compatibility was an option on the slim and you were pissed you did not find it. It is a perk for people that supported them when they first came out and bought it at a ridiculously high price even though it was worth it . That is a mistake they made because you cannot release a console at that high of a price because it will instantly turn customers off even though the features make it worth it.

UnwanteDreamz2465d ago

@Strikepackage

Ohhhh Sony's the big bad boogey man!

I bet they are responsible for terrorism and global warming/ cooling too.

It dosen't get old nailing yourself to that cross everyday?

christian hour2465d ago (Edited 2465d ago )

@ksense I'm not disagreeing with you but I'd just like to point out that the BC in Europe, although present, very few titles actually worked (for obvious region related issues) so I have to say I did feel a bit cheated when I purchased my phat ps3 back in the day. So some people may be referring to that and not the slim when they say BC didn't work or was a lie etc.

@ people who are not ksense This article is dumb. NEWS FLASH! Competing products have pros AND cons! SHOCK HORROR! Why thats never happened before with anything in the history of consumerism! QUICK! Lets makes news articles about this shocking, disturbing UNHEARD OF revelation!

Just do what any true gamer would do and get off news sites that purposefully peddle biased story's to invoke hits and go enjoy your games.

Only thing i can agree on with this I have to say is, is patches and downloads for ps3. Oh and install times too. They sometimes take longer than the download. But you knw what that is? A speed bump. Or heavy traffic. Do you get out of yr car after the 5th or 6th speed bump makes your journey an impatient one? And angrily blog about how the other road is much better because it has less speed bumps (but maybe a toll booth?! and the toll booth is the reason that road is speed bump free?!?!) ? I dont think so... well maybe some people do, but... okay im not sure what point i was trying to make, basically, stay the hell in your car, be patient and thank this planet we haven't been wiped out by the billions of random anomalies or objects just cruisin around space waiting for ample opportunity! And try be nice to people, even on the internet. People on n4g can be so angry and/or rude sometimes.

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Feckles2465d ago

Not the best article in the world, and I think that the headline is a bit misleading, but both articles do point out some major problems with the consoles. Problems that both Sony and Microsoft would rather weren't publicized.

You'd hope that all these things could be sorted by the time we get to the next round of consoles.

All I know is that I'm fed up of downloading massive patches for my PS3 and would like to see the benefits of an open system on my 360. After all, Windows was always open, MS's attitude to 360 is more like Apple's attitude to iPhone and iPad.

SuperLupe2465d ago

"but if you’re one of many PS3 owners who are stuck on wireless then you’ve probably noticed it suffers terribly from incredibly slow connections"

And there I was thinking I was just unlucky. Explains it all now.

BLACKBOIJONES2465d ago

Ur not the only one.It happened to me as well, just go and buy a wired cable its not expensive and plug it direct from ur router to ur ps3. That is what i did and the problem has been solved, i do get slow connection sometimes but i guess that comes from my internet provider. But it improved my connection and online game play alot.

DeFFeR2465d ago

and if your router is 200 feet away/downstairs?

I have a 360 slim and 120 GB PS3 slim in my entertainment room - both wireless. 360 is far superior with wireless. Before the slim, I was hindered by the same speeds with the wireless attachment.

Granted, it doesn't ruin games that often, but having a slower wireless connection is a pain sometimes.

thissiteblowschunks2465d ago

@ Raddog

if you own your house, man up and run some cables. if you rent i guess all you can do is wireless.

Kon_Artist 2465d ago

So how many slim 360 is there out there and how many old 1s with no wifi is there out there....i find that very funny. the old 360's and majority out there dont even have wifi lmao.