NowGamer: Microsoft really doesn’t want you to read this column, or know about these things; it’d much rather you just kept playing COD or something. Look away, there’s nothing to see, move along please, do NOT read this...
Security on Xbox Live is one thing, but surely the benefits out weigh the risks. Just look at Portal 2 and LittleBigPlanet as examples.
to be fair.. We will never know the exact fail rate figures for any of the consoles. Yes the 360 was bad, but for the most part its been fixed. Ive had 2 xbox's, the old 120gb elite which I sold for the new slim 250 gb. Never had a problem, same goes for the ps3, Ive now had 2. The fat and the slim 250gb and not a problem with either.
RDOT is the new RROD. RROD does not exist anymore since they changed the way it alerts you. On the new xbox 360's it is a flashing dot in the middle of the ring where you press the power. The RDOT does not happen as often but it happens and thats a bad thing.
It's been 6 months. I don't think its too far out of the way to demand more than 6 freakin months to prove XBOX 360's don't break anymore. And to be fair again, I'm very convinced prior to the new units, that at least 50% of every owner since 2005 has had a broken XBOX 360. I wouldn't buy a toaster with those kinds of egregious fail rate/ratios. Sorry, but I was taught better.
@Persistantthug If somebody has owned a 360 since 2005, it is broken. It is definately much, much higher than %50. :E Im not hating. The 360 slim has proven to be solid so far. But there's no doubt that the 360 had god-awful reliability at launch.
"but in this day and age of super-duper HD visuals" Really? On the Xbox? lol!
regardless of the accuracy...the best line in the entire article: 'The 360 is about as reliable as an 'xbox 360''...THAT is funny...
xbox struggles to do HD. Kind of hard when you have no room on the Dvd.
We will never know exactly but take the experiences of 360 owners as example i 10 friends with 360 and they all had problems with it and i have the 1fs Gen PS3 and its working like a charm MS need to rethink about this seriously...
6. Microsoft makes it easy to join xbl-gold but more difficult to get out. When I payed for xbl-gold via the 360 it auto-renews your xbl gold once it expires. You then won't be able to cancel on the system. On the 360 they tell you to visit a website and then for the newbies they will find out that they will have to call to cancel. With all that trouble the average lazy gamer will be a xbl gold subscriber for a life time. That equates to people who will be paying $1000s for Microsoft and they don't play xbl that much or at all. 7. Microsoft advertises multiplatform games like they're exclusive for the 360. I think COD is majorly synonymous with the 360 brand. They tried to do it with Final Fantasy 13 too. GTA4 had the same kind of treatmeant.
these are hardly secrets, everyone knows it I like how some posters below are saying: "but, but the 360 and Kinect are dominating" who cares? really, this site is called news for gamers, this is about games and the platform to play them, not sales numbers of housewives and toddlers dancing in front of the TV I have a friend who just purchased his third 360, that plus almost 5 years of Live he already spent more than a 1000 to keep playing games and he was one of the people laughing and the PS3's 600 launch price, I paid that and it's still working just fine and never paid for anything else other than games
@Trebius What a f**king stupid bit of reasoning. Because the 360 only uses DVD it can't do HD. Thats funny, cause my PC only uses DVD and the games play in resolutions that dump all over the consoles. DVD is not a limiting factor but the amount of graphic memory certainly is.
ive had two xbox 360 consoles, never had a problem although my friends have, i got a ps3 slim a year ago and it just died, now hows that for unfair!
@NEWZEALANDER NICE TROLLIN, NO SLIM I KNOW OWNED BY MY FRIENDS OR MYSELF HAS FAILED, ITS THE PS3 FAT THAT FAILS AND EVEN THAT IS BELOW THE 10% FAILURE RATE...
i wouldn't really call these secrets, because we've known all of this for over a years now. e.g. for over 2years we've known that XBL is a closed network, we've known for 5 years now that the 360 has a high failure rate. we've known that the 360 lacks 1st party studios.
none of those things matter. Not then and not now. Because once a bad product is made popular, the ignorant gobble it up and it's deemed a success. "Dude my xbox broke 5 times. I need to buy another one." "You have a 360? I need to grab me one too!" ^7 consoles right there.
Why bring the RROD again . Microsoft already solved the hardware problems on XBOX360!!!
yep they definitely solved it. thats why my 360 elite just broke last week. One blinking red light error code E 74. Only had it 6 months
Past is Past right. So we should stop teaching history.
I don't even remember yesterday.... what were we talking about again?
To the PS3 fanboy who wrote this Face palm 1. "Having an open platform would put the 360 in line with the PS3 and PC. It would open it up to all sorts of weird and wonderful games currently epitomized on the PS3 with LittleBigPlanet." Uh... the 360 started indie games on console with XNA and the 360 still has a larger more diverse library of indie, arcade, and retail games. Face palm 2. "No more MMOs on 360" uh... name one successful MMO on console, any console, just name one. Face palm 3. "More games on two DVDs" Ok so games will have a mandatory two disc which take 5 sec to swap but on the PS3 you have mandatory installs that take a few minutes to 45 min filling your HDD. Pick your poison. Face palm 4. "Investment in first party games is falling" thats where 3rd party like Epic or Crytek come in. You're also forgeting Kinect 1st party and the 360 still has a larger library of games over the PS3. Face palm 5. "360 failure rate" You mean like the PS2 fail rate? Or how about the fact that it's all been fixed free of charge from MS. How are those $150 repair fees from Sony for bad Blu-ray drives and bricked consoles do to firmware updates? RROD was fixed over 2yrs ago and that still hasn't kept the PS3 from chugging last like a caboose. Sorry Mr 2 year old fanboy blog truth hurts.
While all of your points have merit I have to pull you on point 3, there are many PS3 games out there that require no install.
1. Steam 2. DCUO 3. Upgrade your HDD with any 2.5 SATA HDD and go make a sandwich while the game installs, it's better to wait 1 time than swap discs many times. 4. Without first party studios the xbox will suffer, many developers are going multiplat like the ones you mention, and having a larger library doesn't mean having the best libary. 5. This gen is about ps3, xbox and wii, not the ps2 and it's well known that the xbox have the worst failure rate. Surs the problem has been supposedly fixed but the past still counts.
to the xbox fanboy KotC 1. it doesn't allow cross platform play for games like portal and most likely other steam games in future. no free dlc or updates? how was it paying for l4d dlc when the pc users and most likely ps3 users get dlc for free with steam games? 2. you make it sound like there are dozens of MMO's that launched and failed on console by asking us to name one. Dc universe online seems to be selling fine and we shall see if it holds its own down the line. it is an option that is very hard to get on x360. 3. it is hard to make an open world game with restrictions like that and hence the linearity in a game like final fantasy which was not like that before plus MS loses money when it has to be multiple discs. 4. larger library, kinect 1st party, really ? clutching at straws? 5. o god they do it for free while i sit here without a system for 2 to 3 weeks and the inconvenience of packing and sending it. i think if they didn't do it for free they would have lost the majority of their users to ps3. ps3 doesn't have that high of a failure rate to worry about losing customers if not done for free. On a side note I cannot believe I just wrote this.....
all of your complaints means nothing. i have no problems with my ps3. i dont bitch at it like most fanboys do. still have the 20g since first day it released no problems here. for 360 i wont even bother getting into that, everyone knows thats been hell. noone remembers ps2 failure rate why bring something up so low compared to the end of the world rrod?.
i believe FFXI was considered somewhat of a success on the 360. last i knew they were still supporting it anyway.
Face palm 1. Because of XBL's infrastructure, you're missing out on TONS of games. Games came specifically to PS3 & PC because the developers wanted ALL gamers to be able to play together and enjoy it. Yes, the XBLA & retail library are bigger (than PS3's), but it's also more full of shit. Enjoy Bee Movie & Meet the Robinsons games. Face palm 2. Phantasy Star Universe, FF XI, DCUO, Angel Senki, and Japan has TONS of FREE MMOs on PS3. Face palm 3. Having two discs has never been a problem until Xbox360 came about. That is because the discs are VERY sensitive to scratches & the Xbox360 itself can DESTROY THEM. Microsoft WANTS more than one disc, because they charge more from the developers in licensing fees for each additional disc. Mandatory installs are NO PROBLEM, merely a trial of time. Face palm 4. Microsoft's deal with Epic Games has come to an end with Gears 3, and Crytek hasn't really made phenomenal games, merely decent ones with stunning visuals. LOL But if you want TIMED EXCLUSIVES & only a FEW commissioned exclusives, then stick to that Xbox360. PS3, Wii, and PC all destroyed Xbox360 in 2010 when it comes to exclusive titles. Face palm 5. PS2 failure rate was NEVER has bad as Xbox360's. An argument brought up by 360 fanboys...when that still doesn't justify what Microsoft did with the Xbox360. Show me the gaming articles, the BBC reports, the news media coverage, and etc of the PS2's failure rate that was as bad as Xbox360's. Easy, you can't, because it just wasn't that widespread. And being the drone you are, you think Microsoft did YOU a service by fixing your product that you paid for that was made to fail? LMFAO!!! Sorry Mr 2 year old fanboy N4G user, truth hurts.
It doesn't make sense why XBL is getting knocked for not allowing cross platform gaming. There has been 1 game that takes advantage of this (portal 2) and it isn't even out yet. We should be pissed at MS because XBL currently doesn't support an un proven feature that we will have no idea if it will be successful or not? This article is reaching. Excuse for my ignorance but what is stopping MS from doing this in the future?
@ksense the first "cross platform game" was Shadowrun in 2007.
^I never said portal 2 is the first cross platform game now did I? I just said that portal 2 allows that on ps3 and not on xbox and there are indications that future valve titles atleast may also use that feature.
Im sorry to say,all those face palms most have hurt your head.You come off more of a Fan Boy then the Op of that post. Ps2 failure rate??really!is there such a thing??
Damn! Blackbustercritic KILLED YOU kotc
"Face palm 5. "360 failure rate" You mean like the PS2 fail rate? Or how about the fact that it's all been fixed free of charge from MS. How are those $150 repair fees from Sony for bad Blu-ray drives and bricked consoles do to firmware updates? RROD was fixed over 2yrs ago and that still hasn't kept the PS3 from chugging last like a caboose." I'd rather have the PS3 in last place and have many more quality games, then 2nd place with no games (360). Sorry Mr 360 fanboy, truth hurts eh?
I take it no one remembers Quake 3, which had cross-platform multiplayer between PC and Dreamcast.
DRE was a hardware flaw, whereas RROD was a design flaw.
Are the failure rates really still that high with the latest models? I find it hard to believe considering the total lack of news on this issue.
People have just accepted it.I know it's bad but many people are blind to it. "Your 360 will probably break, Oh its ok Microsoft will fix it for me, oh fair enough." Customers have been easily bought and many seem to accept as your buying the cheaper console you take the risk. I have all the consoles and there is no doubt the 360 is the worst made of them all, I mean the disc tray makes me cringe the way it creeks it's way out. The guy below is right, it's about the 5 things Microsoft don't want you to know.
Oh my, what a surprise! That was shockingly new to me and I should not have read that! /s
All these consoles struggle to do HD. How many games on both systems this generation have been subHD? its mind boggling.
Haven't you heard, HD is entirely dependent on disk space. /s
That's what the article says! Did u read it?
It told him NOT to read it! Of course, he didn't.
PS3 failure rate isn't so hot either in my experience... Got to be worried about the first party titles, but at least the exclusives are still coming with Gears/Kingdoms...
360 - 54,2% PS3 - 10,6% Wii - 6,8% http://gamer.blorge.com/200...
Touche. Thought PS3 fats were much more fail-tastic than that...
Nah the Fats are fine got 3 working ones in my family
my 60gb fatty got the YLOD a few months ago - cracked it open and did the solder reflow method with a head gun and its worked perfectly ever since thank god. i do love my BC :-D
@Mr Ravedave. My 60 launch fatty died 2 years in, the replacement died 2 months later and the 3rd replacement died over christmas. The Uk retailer sent it off to be fixed. (very good as I only had a standard 1 year warranty and this is 3 years 1 month since purchase. I got it back 3 days ago and it has just died again, it will be sent back again and then if no joy I get a brand new slim. Which I don't mind as a larger HD is more important to me than backwards comp these days(especialy as Ico/shadow is out in HD soon) So as much as I am a PS3 fanboy they do actually die and (according to the retailer) almost exactly after 3 years! Guessing the console repairer did the reflow but it didnt work. So crux of the matter if you've still got a working fatty that's seen some use, fantastic, but if it starts making large fan noises watch out!
Even though Xbox seems to be the more frequent, Iv actually been really unlucky with this Gen of consoles. I have had 2 PS3 YLOD's and 1 Blu Ray Drive failure and 1 Xbox 360 RROD :/ Last gen i never had any problems with my PS2 or any other console...
Bodster my PS2 is still going strong in the kids room. And it's what 10 years old now.
I know it's crazy! I think the problem this Gen is that Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo and 95% of developers/publishers are out only to make the money and thats it, there doesn't seem to be much actual love for gaming anymore. Although the Gaming Industry is a business, if Companies put more love and care into their products then we maybe wouldn't be here discussing these problems...
Bodster I generally agree but the other problem especially shown by the reflow was (certainly in Europe) the legislation to make items using lead free solder. This new stuff just cannot handle the heating and shrinking. Damn interfearing all the time. Hell we can't even use old fashioned light bulbs any more (even though the new nasty energy efficient ones contain mercury, will be thrown into landfill and will probably end up poisoning our kids!)
my fat ps3 working fine as ever, since 2006
Lol at the disagrees at my first comment. Ps3 fanboys disagreeing with FACT from a Ps3 fanboy. Whatever, this forum is just getting shittier and shittier I'm out of here. Giant Enemy Crab warm me a croissant and lets talk about the old days.
@Skyward I've only owned 2 PS3s. One fell off a shelf on Canada day when I had a drunk buddy come over and knock it off, and it was turned on. Had to buy a new one. I've gone through 4 Xbox 360s all RRoDd. When I think about all the money I've spent on repairing/buying new ones and with Live costs, I feel like I was robbed. The 4th one died on me last October, threw in a towel and I decided to quit on the 360. It was no longer worth my money.
My ps3 fat YLOD about a year ago or so got a launch 60 gig. I fixed it and have to do the fix about every 3-4 months. I figure that I will keep doing that till I can't fix it anymore and will get a slim.
I have an over 2 year old fatty ps3.. Would it be safer to buy a new console and transfer over all my data before it breaks? i have dropped the thing a few times while transporting it to friends places. Should i get another fatty or a slim?
My 40GB PS3 lasted 2 1/2 years before the blu-ray drive wore out. That was the first time in 15 years I sent a Sony system off to be fixed.
I agree, my PS3 has been ruined several times. But that was mostly my own fault. First I didn't turn it off properly, so my PS3's HDD was corrupted, then I bought a 7200rpm HDD, and that caused the PS3 to overheat. If people can steer away from turning it wrong, and keep the PS3 properly cooled, I think there's very little chance of it crashing.
From my experience the PS3 failure rate seems extremely low, out of 31 friends on PSN I've only seen 4 get YLOD. Yet everyone I know with XBOX360s are on at least their second, my own brother is on his third.
My 60gig died about 4 months ago or after 2 1/2 years, supposedly I got it reball'ed, died again 2 weeks later, bought a 160gig slim. My friend went trough the same thing (we went to reball together, lol), just instead of the ps3 kicking the bucket the drive went bust.
"A whopping 42 per cent of 360’s fail and that’s an up-to-date statistic – we’re not talking about the first generation of consoles, that’s the modern new ones with all the shiny new parts." holy sh*t.
For some reason I don't believe that stat. If it were that high still I'm sure we would see 3 to 10 stories on how the 360 is doomed a day! Both the PS3 and 360 are good systems but are poorly made. I'm on my 5th or 6th 360. I usually don't use my PS3 but it freezes. I can only imagine if I used it as much as my 360.
It's too early to tell if the Xbox slim has a high failure rate. It would have to be a real piece of crap to be dieing in high numbers already. If the failures don't accelerate in the next year then they have probably got it fixed.
This article needs to get it's facts straight... "up-to-date statistic" my ass. The article was published in Aug 2009. 2009!!! Which means the survey was probably done in early 2009. I won't try and deny that the early 360 had high failure rates... ...but I know statistics, and I know surveys, and I know that it is easy to bias a survey to skew results. For example: If I were to poll N4G readers (predominantly PS3 users)in the same issue, you would have predominantly favorable reviews for the PS3, and unfavorable reviews for the 360. Thank fanboys. Vice versa if you did the same survey for readers of a predominantly 360 based site/mag. There is inherent bias. Plus, people who have had problems will be more likely to respond than people who did not (it is a well studied trend in all surveys)... so across the board the failure rate is probably much lower for all 3 consoles. At the end of the day, we will only know true failure rates for consoles if the manufacturers disclose their official numbers.
Yup, any survey in which the participants are self selected is going to be wrong and greatly exaggerate the negative view point. Also all the console failure rate analysis I've seen are just crap, it can barely be called analysis. Saying something has a 50% failure rate is just stupid and meaningless. Everything has a 100% failure rate, it's just a matter of time. They need to give it terms of MTBF or the chance of failure per time period of use.
46% of all statistics are made up... including this one.
In all fairness. When my 360 Rod-ed, I sent it away & got it back fixed in 2weeks. Which is really good. When my lens went on my PS3, they collected it, & I got it back in a week. Which is really, really good. However, these things really shouldnt happen..
Dirty, very dirty indeed.