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The Tortoise and The Hare of Consoles: The PlayStation 3 and The Xbox 360

What can we learn from Aesop's famous fable about the ongoing face-off between Microsoft's XBox 360 and Sony's PlayStation 3? Full metaphorical comparison by John Lucas.

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NoobSessions2499d ago

Judging from both consoles sales, aside from Japan they are almost always neck and neck, other than NA where the Xbox has been having a large edge for a while.
If Kinect cant boost the Xbox's sales, Im sure the PS3 will end up selling more by the end of this gen because of Blu ray functionality, not by alot though; and the fact that if Kinect doesnt continue its beastly sales, MS will announce a new console before the PS4 is announced.

doa7662499d ago

this guy doesn't get it, the PS3 is not the Tortoise at all

Sony's console has outsold the 360 every year they both been on the market (that's how the gap in sales came from 8 million at release time to 2 million now)

the PS3 had great games equal to the 360 from the start, but the smear campaign that most website engaged in prevented most people to see that, on its first year PS3 had resistance, uncharted, folklore, heavenly sword, motorstorm, plus all the same multiplats the 360 had

and now the PS3 line up is miles ahead of the 360's and it's been like that for 2 or 3 years

Lord_Doggington2499d ago

this race isn't limited to this generation of consoles. fanboys always ignore the install base from the ps1 and ps2. in which case, going generation by generation, sony def is the hare in this shit analogy

Urmomlol2499d ago

"Sony is hurting right now but they don’t absolutely need the PlayStation line to move ahead. Microsoft needs Xbox."

It's a good thing you added this bit at the end because it's easily the dumbest thing I've heard this entire week.

Microsoft in no shape or form has ever relied on the commercial success of the Xbox to carry its business.

Wenis2499d ago

No kidding lol. What a dumb statement

rockleex2499d ago (Edited 2499d ago )

Funny thing is that the Xbox division has made Microsoft lost so much money two generations in a row.

They still haven't even recovered from the losses of the original Xbox.

Not to mention the billions spent on the RROD fiasco too. $50 million for DLC. Then $500 million for Kinect advertising.

Only thing keeping them from leaving the game industry is the price of Xbox Live.

I guess they raised it to $60 per year to make back the $500 million spent on Kinect. :P

jimbone792499d ago

When you make claims like that you need proof to make your argument credible. I can say, " The 360 has already paid for its self and made up for the original Xbox, and made MS a billion". See without proof anybody can say anything and it holds no weight. So I guess my question is, how do you know this?

rockleex2499d ago (Edited 2499d ago )

A simple Google search will do you much good.

http://www.joystiq.com/2005...

http://www.joystiq.com/2005...

From the second link, "Now, this still doesn't mean that Microsoft has made any money on the Xbox venture (one quarter of profit does not outweigh 3 years of losses..."

I still haven't found any articles that even hints at Microsoft making all their money back.

Point is, they lost 4 billion with the original Xbox. Then they lost even more to make the 360. Then lost billions more on RROD. Then lost $500 million+ more even now.

People always talk about Sony losing money on the PS3, but they have made their money back and more on both PS1 and PS2.

PS3 will be a little bit harder, but they can still do it... especially since Bluray was one of the main reasons PS3 development costed so much. With Bluray sales doing better and better each year, Sony will inevitably make their money back.

kwicksandz2499d ago

"People always talk about Sony losing money on the PS3, but they have made their money back and more on both PS1 and PS2."

Hey rocklee. another simple google search would show you that the the ps3 losses outweighed all the money earned for sony in the ps2 and ps1 era.

rockleex2499d ago (Edited 2499d ago )

Thus the Bluray theory comes into play.

Even so, Microsoft hasn't even made their money back on ANY of the Xboxes.

I don't get what your point is because my point still remains that Sony has proven that they can recuperate. While Microsoft hasn't.

jimbone792499d ago (Edited 2499d ago )

Yea a simple google search will show that, but I wasn't making the argument you were. When I make a claim I will back it up. Once again YOU were making the argument, YOU are the one that needs to do the Google search smart ass.

Edit. LOL your proof is outdated homie. Is an article from 2005 supposed to prove your claims? That was a pretty sad attempt, and I feel so sorry for you I am not going to waste anymore time arguing this. LOL 2005, that was more than 5 years ago. You don't think they may have made any of that up by now? Ridiculous.

rockleex2499d ago (Edited 2499d ago )

Its an article about the losses of the original Xbox. Why would anyone write NEW articles about that? Not using much logic are you?

Any newer articles would only talk of the billions lost into RROD, the $50 million lost to GTA DLC, and $500 million lost to Kinect marketing.

But I dare you to find me any article since 2005 that shows they made $4 billion in profit in the Xbox Division ever since the 360 came out then you can proudly say they recuperated from the losses of the original Xbox back.

Hint: There isn't any.

All you'll find is MORE losses like the RROD fiasco and Kinect.

jimbone792499d ago (Edited 2499d ago )

LOL, now this is a spin. No, I asked for you to prove that the gaming division is still in the hole NOW in 2011 like YOU claimed. I didn't say anything about 2005 bullshit. You said they haven't earned any of that back. I dare YOU to find an article that says they haven't earned a dime of the Original xbox,the RRod thing, and the Kinect advertising budget back. YOU can't because there's NOT any. You made this claim, I asked for YOU to back up YOUR claim and YOU can't. I'll give YOU a little hint why, "YOU WERE TALKING OUT OF YOUR ASS". I guess MS hasn't made a dime off console sells, Live memberships, games, micro transactions, or Kinect right? Now you try to spin it like this, LOL pathetic. I guess you jumped in the big boy side of the pool without your water wings on. Do me a favor, and everyone else on this site a favor and think before to type such ludacris fud please. You also take your own advice and use some logic. Thanks.

Dragon_Hiko2499d ago (Edited 2499d ago )

"Yea a simple google search will show that, but I wasn't making the argument you were. When I make a claim I will back it up. Once again YOU were making the argument, YOU are the one that needs to do the Google search smart ass."

"I dare YOU to find an article that says they haven't earned a dime of the Original xbox,the RRod thing, and the Kinect advertising budget back. YOU can't because there's NOT any. You made this claim, I asked for YOU to back up YOUR claim and YOU can't. I'll give YOU a little hint why, 'YOU WERE TALKING OUT OF YOUR ASS'"

So let me get this straight....Rockleex makes the argument that microsoft has not made it's money back from the original xbox all the way through to the 360. You ask him to post links proving this, he supplies links showing how much debt the original xbox incurred. He then talks about how 360 went into debt over a billion on the RROD warranty extension, as well as the cost of designing the 360 in general.

And your response to the very logical argument on his part...is to say he's talking out his ass, and make fun of him for talking about 2005 when clearly the original xbox is very key to the discussion here. His original point was the xbox lost a lot of money, the 360 has lost some as well, add that together and the 360 hasn't made that much profit yet.

So the one not to validate their side of the debate my friend is YOU. Instead of just shaking off his debate (I wonder if it's because he can't come back into type a reply because he used up his bubbles? Didn't expect someone else to pick up his side did you?) and saying he's wrong because you say so...how about you find some links to validate YOUR points. Find some proof that the 360 has made so much money that it counteracts all the original xbox lost, and what the 360 lost. YOUR turn.

Oh and you never asked Rockleex to prove that the 'gaming division' of the xbox brand is in the black until your last post which is when it was too late for Rockleex to come back and reply. Interesting time to bring that up. Rockleex was always referring to the entire xbox brand, not just the gaming division, he never stated that, and neither did you until your last post.

dragunrising2498d ago (Edited 2498d ago )

@ rockleex

Its common knowledge that Microsoft lost 4 billion on the original xbox. No one will dispute that. However, assuming Microsoft hasn't made back that amount is nonsensical. The fact of the matter is, unless you have Microsoft's earnings report year after year, you cannot prove or disprove there is still a deficit.

Furthermore, Xbox was very much an experiment. Microsoft didn't know it would be the success it became. Success in the sense that it gained mind share, and was profitable enough to release the 360. The 360 IS profitable. With that said, Microsoft spends 9 BILLION in research every year. They have spent over 69 BILLION over a decade. 4 billion lost on xbox is not much considering all the money they spend on projects that might not ever make them a dime.

http://www.pcworld.com/arti...

Still not convinced the money has not been made back? Microsoft made 1.2 BILLION off of Xbox Live in fiscal 2010, plus nearly as much off of DLC, games, and videos. The article also mentions that Microsoft had an operating income for the year, ending in June, of 1.04 BILLION. Considering the fact that Kinect came out in November and has since sold 8 million, I'm going to make a wild guess and say their operating income for 2011 is ever higher.

http://www.bloomberg.com/ne...

You can cry all you want about xbox losing 4 billion, however that doesn't mean much TODAY. Also, if you made a more complete argument you would have more than just the fanboy's believing you.

jimbone792498d ago (Edited 2498d ago )

Damn, has everyone lost their mind? Rockleex said
“They still haven't even recovered from the losses of the original Xbox.

Not to mention the billions spent on the RROD fiasco too. $50 million for DLC. Then $500 million for Kinect advertising.

Only thing keeping them from leaving the game industry is the price of Xbox Live.

I guess they raised it to $60 per year to make back the $500 million spent on Kinect. :P”

Talking about the money from the original Xbox, to the Kinect budget, that means up until NOW, 2011, and backs it up with an article from 2005 that no one disputes. I didn't say the original Xbox didn't cost them that much...ever. I know it did, but he was talking about much, much more than that wasn't he? Jesus Christ, all I was saying is he couldn't back up the claim that he made. The claim he made is they haven’t made any money and only lost money on, the original Xbox, the RROD, and the Kinect budget. That’s what HE CLAIMED. I claimed he couldn't prove that, and HE CAN"T, because IT"S NOT TRUE. For his claim to be true would mean MS hasn't earned a dime since the 360 released, and please tell me you don't really believe that. Man, does fanboyizm makes your brain stop or something? There is no way in hell him original claim can be true, I called him out on it, and y'all tried to spin it in his favor, but it didn't work. Please just man up, admit you were exaggerating at the very lease, and move on.

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doa7662499d ago

NPD numbers are US only and they don't include the country's biggest retailer: wallmart

NPD numbers are useless and misleading

Lord Gunchrote2499d ago

He is saying they will need to to move forward. Its like people Try to be @$$es. Zune=fail Windows= won't last forever as bread n butter. Sony might need the Playstation biz tho.

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Alpha_Gamer2499d ago

The difference is that the PS3 is not a Tortoise, it`s a freight train. A bit slow to pick up speed, but once it does, just get out of the way. The PS3 has the most control right now. Sony has room for 3-4 more solid price cuts, where as the competition does not have such a luxury.

tigertron2499d ago

A freight train filled with excellent exclusives I might add. ^_^

Kon2499d ago

I'm tired of comparing machines with living things.

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