Submitted by RudeSole Devil 1632d ago | opinion piece

Lens of Truth - Head2Head: Splinter Cell: Conviction vs. Metal Gear Solid 4 Performance Analysis

Lens of Truth writes "“So, you’re saying I’m the dominant one” This week we’d like to dedicate this Head2Head to our fans who’ve requested this comparison for some time now. We’ve listened to your requests and we delivered. Today, we infiltrate are way through Splinter Cell: Conviction and Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots to see which exclusive is considered the epitome of stealth action. Smoke ‘em if you got ‘em, because your in for one wild ride." (Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots, PS3, Xbox 360)

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donkeydoo   1632d ago | Trolling | show | Replies(13)
Emmettcelticfan  +   1632d ago
hasn't this one already been done by many other sites, god let it go. we all know mgs is the better game and always will be
ExplosionSauce  +   1632d ago
They're also very different games.
Conviction barely being a stealth game in comparison to previous games.
NeoTribe  +   1632d ago
That metal gear in particular didnt force you to be stealthy either.
ExplosionSauce  +   1632d ago
You had to be a lot more stealthy in MGS4.
In fact, in higher difficulties, you had to be stealthy, because in many situations a straight forward approach would get you killed.

I'm sure you played it, right?
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Kevin ButIer  +   1632d ago
OMG... "ps3 is haxed & doomed" combined with MGS4 vs Splinter Cell flamebait articles.

Its 2011 :/
shadow2797  +   1632d ago
They discussed environments but didn't even mention character models? Figures they wouldn't mention MGS4's best graphical feature.

Both are great games for different reasons and both look great but if you're going to compare the two, at least be thorough.
ExplosionSauce  +   1632d ago
Definitely. MGS4 had awesome character models.
morganfell  +   1632d ago
MGS4 ranks as the best title I have ever player. Ever. And it doesn't have an equal.

MGS4 was about options. You could go in hard and experience one type of play or you could go in quiet and have a totally different game. Or mix it up for something in between. The choice is up to the player. I am still discovering things in this game and I have the Collector's Guide and even it does not come close to what Kojima poured into this experience.

The animations and character models stand up this day as some of the best around. The texture artists in particular deserve a nod.

Do I have to mention the option to hide bodies...almost anywhere? Kojima didn't rush MGS4 and it shows. In the Post Mortem of Game Developer the Max Beland admits the reason you could not hide bodies in Splinter Cell Conviction was they ran out of time. The game was rushed. Yes it had a long development time but they scrapped the majority of the title and started over only to push it out the door.

I liked the game but Splinter Cell deserved a better treatment than it received and could have been so much more. Hopefully the next iteration they will return to the care with which they used to craft the first three titles in the series.

Meanwhile Kojima Productions is hiring for their next Metal Gear title.
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Bigpappy  +   1632d ago
@gamerzBEreal17: are you saying SC is not a good game because it did not sell as well as MG. I though is was concensus that sales =/= quality.

I am a big fan of Sc by the way. Never got into MG because I did not like the control settings in the pervious versions. But I still will not comment negatively on the game.

I agree with 'morganfell' on what he had to say about SC first 3 being the best, and that not being able to move bodies making the game unfinished.
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ShinMaster  +   1632d ago
Yes, sales don't equal quality.
And SC:C isn't bad because of low sales.

MGS4 is just slightly on a different level in comparison.
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lociefer  +   1631d ago
wtf, splinter cell dosent even hold a candle to mgs4 in terms of graphics,gameplay,story, and animation !
MeanOldman  +   1631d ago
lens of untruth just go away. nobody wants your damn deception dudes.

you guys are a joke. you get busted slantin the damn truth an now this is your next article. hardy effin har har you losers.
pixelsword  +   1631d ago
wasn't this site proven bogus already?
TheLastGuardian  +   1631d ago
MGS4 is way better and Splinter Cell always comes to the Playstation eventually.
WildArmed  +   1632d ago
Yeah I think it's been done to death.
First of all, one came in '08, and other in '10..

SC is a fastpaced-stealth action TPS,
while MGS was the opposite in the stealth genre.
(unless you played on ez, then you can just run n gun ur way through!)

I really liked both games, but never in my wildest dreams would I compare 'em.
They are both unique experience, both I had a blast with! :)
hakeem0996  +   1632d ago
that's our opinion!!!!
For me SPLINTER CELL will always be better than MGS.
MY OPINION!!!!!!!!!!!!!
darkdoom3000  +   1632d ago
and I disagree with your opinion
(though I havent played the new SC yet, MGS series is the pinnicle of gaming. Even trancending it, while SC games are *good*)
ps3rider  +   1632d ago
your opinion sucks
Shepherd 214  +   1631d ago
The pinnacle of gaming? Damn, broaden your horizons a bit.
Man In Black  +   1632d ago
Just went back to playing MGS4 after finishing Peace Walker, graphics have aged extremely well, just like MGS2 & 3.

As for Splinter Cell, I loved Chaos Theory (AMAZING stealth elements), but Double Agent was a step back, and Conviction placed too much emphasis on action and pointless gimmicks.
Myst  +   1632d ago
Damn since you brought up Peace Walker it reminded me that I need to go back and finish that game...
Shepherd 214  +   1631d ago
Splinter Cell Conviction pioneered a new, fast paced stealth genre. It wasnt about pointless gimmicks. You still stuck to the shadows, climbed on ceiling and wall pipes, took human shields, shimmied along ledges, etc. You just do it in a faster, more action oriented manner than the typical slow paced stealth game.

i beat the game twice and if you get good with some of the tools that the game gives you, youre a force to be reckoned with. Not to mention the story was quite solid.

There is nothing wrong with doing something new and Conviction was a nice breath of fresh air.
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Man In Black  +   1631d ago
They should've made a new IP considering the huge change in "stealth". Features like "last known position" were just gimmicky (I'm pretty sure it was in the older games, except it wasn't a marketing blurb, enemies just knew where they'd last seen you and the game didn't bring up a silhouette to point it out to you). It felt more like that old Bourne game than a Splinter Cell game. I'm not against change, but not when it completely goes against the design philosophy of the previous games. In Conviction, you pretty much have to take out all enemies in the area, whereas in the previous games, there was the option to never even let them know you're there.
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crzyjackbauer  +   1632d ago
as a huge mgs fan
i did not like mgs4, it was boring
i loved mgs3 and im waiting for an HD remake
and splinter cell conviction is a very good game
but its way away from the stealth game it use to be
Pollak  +   1632d ago
I agree. MGS4 was an amazing game for the first two acts but then it went completely overboard with the cutscenes. It felt as though I was doing more watching than playing. After Snake Eater is was a bit of a let down.
crzyjackbauer  +   1631d ago
and it was suppose to be on PS3, but sony was late with the tech and had to start on PS2 check out the limited edition bluray that comes with MGS4
kojima wanted MGS3 on PS3
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chidori666  +   1632d ago
Splinter Cell is rip-off MGS4..

in the other hand Metal Gear 4 has been around almost as long as I have been alive. This game is the most inspiring most epic game that I have ever played in this gen.
crzyjackbauer  +   1631d ago
seriously dont talk if you havent played splinter cell conviction, its nothing like MGS4, way too diffrent games
conviction doesent have 2 hour cutscenes between gameplay

conviction takes more from 24 and gears of war than MGS
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HolyOrangeCows  +   1632d ago
Another comparison of a 2-year-old PS3 game vs a new Xbox 360 game from LOT.

"the other hand Metal Gear 4 has been around almost as long as I have been alive"
I'm impressed by how well you speak for a 2-year old....lol.
I'm sure you meant MGS...
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WhitePolish  +   1631d ago
Wtf you guys talking about

Related video
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pain777pas  +   1631d ago
When is this site going to just go away permanently? If they come back under another name so be it. They will get no more hits from me that is for certain. I don't like liars. MGS4 is a 2008 release. The graphics in that game are really from 2006 or something when they were designing the game even earlier. This comparison is pointless. MGS4 is still regardless of the graphics a misunderstood game with a lot of stuff in the game that people may not even realise. Kojima is deep. The MGS series is deep and Kojima takes digs at many things and makes his games relevant like no other games in the world. MGS is known for its pushing the graphical boundaries on any given platform but in honesty he always has a few nuggets for those in the know or into conspiracies etc...
Shanks  +   1632d ago
Metal Gear Solid 4 - 1024×768 2xAA - 2008 game
Splinter Cell Conviction - 1024X576 2xAA - 2010 game

just sayin.
Thrillhouse  +   1632d ago
SC looks great on PC, though (such as with 8xAA and 16:1 AF, but you can still go higher).
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justinb1  +   1632d ago
SC on PC still looks worse than MGS4...
Mr Exclusive  +   1632d ago
On my PC Conviction is

60+ FPS
16 AF
Everything else maxed
No installing after each chapter

UbiDRM has being relaxed and doesn't require a always online internet connection anymore.
ps3rider  +   1632d ago
once you finish playing Splinter cell go play warcraft its suitable for you
PirateThom  +   1632d ago
Most of Conviction is played in Black and white, that's instantly a point off.
Eyeco  +   1632d ago
most of the game takes place in small dark areas and is in black and white.
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WildArmed  +   1632d ago
I liked how they did that.
When you are hidden/in-the-shadows, it's very clear to you that you are hidden.
Kinda like what they did w/ 'The Saboteur'
Though, I do wish they would give an option to disable it.
The effect is cool, but it'd be nice to have an option to toggle it on and off
Joe Bomb  +   1632d ago
MGS4 may be "technically" better, but there are too many CGI cut-scenes, you barely play the game!

Splinter Cell Conviction was way better gameplay wise. IMO of course. Everyone should play it.
djreplay  +   1632d ago
You can skip them you know.
guigsy  +   1632d ago
Kinda pointless playing MGS4 if you're gunna skip all the cutscenes though. It would be like watching a film that skips every 10 minutes or so.
Finalfantasykid  +   1632d ago
I might agree with you if the story was boring, but with a story so deep as MGS you can't help but enjoy watching them. Of course you might not like the game's story, but that's not really the game's fault.
CobraKai  +   1632d ago
True MGS fans know that cutscenes are part of the experience, not a detriment to the game.
DigitalRaptor  +   1632d ago
I'm sorry but what is this myth that MGS4 is mostly cutscenes?

It's about 50:50

Roughly 9 hours gameplay/ 9 hours cutscenes.
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just_the_tip  +   1632d ago
What game are you talking about, MGS4 was all cut scenes. I mean you would literally walk 2 feet then, CUT SCENE.. Hostly MGS4 was the worst in the series bar none. Snake Eater was 100 times better IMO. I'm pretty sure I read an article were someone actually beat the entire game in 3 hrs.
darkdoom3000  +   1632d ago
3 hours.... yeah you can do that with any MGS game. It's called a speed run, the requirement of the Big Boss medal is to finish the game in under 5 hours, no kills, no alerts and other strict requirements.

it's in all MGS games. :|
darkdoom3000  +   1632d ago
cutscenes are mostly (all except 2 I think) in engine. NOT CGI. as you can interact with the cutscenes.
ps3rider  +   1632d ago
hey idiot, MGS since it has made they didn't change anything about the story line and its a movie more than a game play. but splinter cell is dam has nothing to do with story as each is independent. secondly give some respect to game got award and critical reviews not such a garbage like splinter cell
cody2oo  +   1632d ago
CGI? hope you dont mean like Actual CGI for Pre-rendered stuff.....maybe you mean ingame?
Mr Tretton  +   1632d ago
MGS4, one of my best experiences this gen.

SC:C, got bored fast, sold it. Crap (no) story, last gen engine, nothing interesting.
Kon  +   1632d ago
No story haha.
Mr Tretton  +   1632d ago
I played it guigsy.

"Also the fact that you sold it means that you'll miss out on the Ghost Recon Future Solider beta, gutted."

Let me get a tissue.
guigsy  +   1632d ago
The points you raise suggest you haven't played Conviction. Granted, MGS4 is a better game and one of the best of this gen, but Conviction is still a great game in it's own right. Great gameplay, great co-op, some cracking action sequences.

Also the fact that you sold it means that you'll miss out on the Ghost Recon Future Solider beta, gutted.
NoobSessions  +   1632d ago
What exactly is the point of this .
ALFAxD_CENTAURO  +   1632d ago
visualb  +   1632d ago
lense of truth?

no point. just fanboys. I'm still trying to comprehend WHY on earth they'd compare 2 games on different consoles that play and look different....

oh stealth? thats it? wow...stupid
R_aVe_N  +   1632d ago
Lens of Truth and the point never go hand and hand.
ME1989  +   1632d ago
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Omar91  +   1632d ago
MGS series is by far the best stealth game ever created. the story is so perfectly made, it makes you think about it for days and you can even have a whole 2 hour conversation about it if you wanted to. im playing MGS4 right now just for the hell of it because its that good. sure they could of done with a bit more gameplay but honestlly the game is great the way it is.
Snatcher  +   1632d ago
Splinter Cell Conviction sucks big time as a stealth game...

Metal Gear Solid 4 there were some sequences that you had to use the guns and shoot every enemy(like when the frogs were attacking). My point is that if it is a stealth game, then you should use stealth all the time, not go rambo with the gun... and the part with the motorcycle... oh my god, it was like a james bond movie. You dodged every attack.

Splinter Cell Chaos Theory is a true stealth game.
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citan  +   1632d ago
I'm eagerly waiting for their GT5 vs Joyride comparison ;)
Kon  +   1632d ago
SC:C has one of the best co-ops this gen, very fun to play
Tilian  +   1632d ago
I love how this is listed as an "opinion piece."

Because that's all Lens of Untruth can ever be--an opinion, and certainly not respectable tech analysis.
s0ph1atr0n  +   1632d ago
Thank goodness. All that website does is Opinion. Absolutely no facts.
just_the_tip  +   1632d ago
Right because you have have all the facts right? If your so smart where's your website and analyzer.. Grow up.
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guzman  +   1632d ago
Lol! Seriously? They're comparing Splinter Cell to MGS4? This reminds me of the comparisons some cretins made to MGS and Syphon Filter. You all remember Gabe Logan.....right?
ps3bestever  +   1632d ago
MGS4 easily kill SCC, 2008 Game kill 2010 game.
MGS4 graphic, gameplay, sound, story telling and ... is really better than every stealth game i saw
The Creep  +   1632d ago
MGS4 is grey blurry and dull. splinter cell is more colorful crisp and has alot more polygons on screen.

if u argue with me then your a fan boy
units  +   1632d ago
doesnt matter if MGS4 is grey and blurry
the fact of the matter is that this comparison is pointless like halo vs resistance
The_Nameless_One  +   1632d ago
Have you ever of something called Art Direction? Both games were going for a specific look and I think they achieved it. It's really two games that have nothing in common save for being labeled with in the same genre. MGS4 had it's flaws but as far as I am concerned it was a wonderful melody of gameplay, graphics, and story telling. SCC while being a very good game went more to the "Jason Borne" route and I wasn't too pleased with that.

I think it's kinda ironic that you say that MGS4 was grey and blurry as what I remember the most about SSC is a Black and White game.

Maybe next time you'll choose your words more carefully.

And btw. Saying that if anyone argues with you doesn't really help your point. All it does it making you sound like the a...you guessed it...FANBOY!
PickAShoe  +   1632d ago
Might as well compare Crysis with Space Invader
The Creep  +   1632d ago
looking at the video splinter cell: Conviction definately looks better than MGS4
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Xfanboy  +   1632d ago
wow!! one game looks more awsome than the other!! won't say which one though.. Im just saying..
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thebudgetgamer  +   1632d ago
i remember people defending lot by saying if you own both consoles it's good to know witch version of a multi-plat is worth spending your hard earned money. fine i can't argue with that, this is only meant too cause a ruckus.
s0ph1atr0n  +   1632d ago
Lens of Truth is fake. Digital Foundry proved them to be a bunch of liars already. No point in clicking through to the article.
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Soul Train  +   1632d ago
Could you provide a link? Didn't think so. STFU!
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VaddixBell  +   1632d ago
Lens of Lies is at it again...
Comparing two (console) exclusives for hits... fantastic journalism.
just_the_tip  +   1632d ago
I know right, why would a website want to try and get hits? Just like a car dealership trying to sell cars.. *sigh* you kids need to go throw around a football and get off the internet, your stupidness is leaking through my monitor.. *sigh*
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JonnyBigBoss  +   1632d ago
Metal Gear vs Splinter Cell? Well, at least it's only a visual comparison, because Splinter Cell would get sniped by Metal Gear if gameplay or story were factored.
XabiTheHumble  +   1632d ago
Splinter cell conviction was a sellout to the series, not worthy of the splinter cell name.
Chaos23  +   1632d ago
@The Creep
hahah SC was black and white most of the time!
The_Nameless_One  +   1632d ago
To me Solid Snake is a much more fully realized character then Sam Fisher. As someone who played all the SC games it seems to me that Ubisoft have a little bit of an identity crisis with Sam's character. His personality have just been far too inconsistent then Snake's. It seems to me that Ubisoft just have no clue what they want him to be. They started him off a loyal government operative. Then he got re-imagined as a rouge agent, a messed up hair homeless person and now Ubisoft have re-imagined him again as a cross between Jason Borne and Jack Bauer.

The splinter cell games have great gameplay but as a main character Sam's inconsistencies is just not doing it for me.

Ubisoft identity crisis also extended to their Prince of Persia series. I think the problem stems from that every time someone else is helming the team and they have their own personal outlook on how this character should be. With MGS there's one voice to the character and that's Kojima and even if someone else will be helming a fully fledged MGS game then they won't dare to change without his express permission.

PS - many of you will take this post as a "SC SUX MGS RULES" but that's not the case. I LOVE both game series it's just that to me the MGS character have more weight.
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jetlian  +   1632d ago
is real when compared to snake. All SC games have a single story that makes real world sense. He was loyal till his daughter was killed supposedly by his former boss.

Snake has the same exact issue over all games. they tell him to live on..... Kojima had to make 80meg download to try and explain the mess of MGear.
xXxSeTTriPxXx  +   1632d ago
this is Lens of lies trying to get back in ps3 fanboys good graces.they got exposed (xbots) and are trying to make up for it.
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