French site Le Monde has reported the overall sales numbers for consoles in France, while also revealing some outstanding PS3 game sales figures for all of Europe, which sees games on the console outsell those on Xbox 360 2:1.
Le Monde has reported the overall sales numbers for consoles in France
Hahahahah damage controll :)
Actually it is the whole of Europe, read it again. However it is not 2:1 it is actually 1.7:1 or 8:4.7
So now Europe means world? Here comes the 'No, but' comments...
Where in the world did GT5 sell 5.5 million if it sold 800k in the US and the WHOLE of Europe only bought 8 million PS3 games the entire year? 5.5m - 800k= 4.7m. So they want us to believe that other ps3 games sold a total of 3.3 million the whole year? Ha ha ha, come on! Something is suspect here. Either gt5 didn't sell 5.5 million or Europe is a very small market
No Europe is not the world. But it does balance what some people keep going on about how much of a lead 360 has because of America.
FailOverHero What you are saying is true to this article, but those software sales are for France only i believe, as Cod, FIFA and other franchises sell many millions across Europe. Therefor it is easy to see that those figures are falsely being said to be whole of Europe, when the data is from a french site, it clearly must be the french data.
Actually it is the whole of Europe, read it again. However it is not 2:1 it is actually 1.7:1 or 8:4.7 ----- Yeah, but it's also pretty obviously an error in translation/wording to anyone capable of critical thought. I mean, try and extend your critical thinking. The article says each PS3 console owner bought 2.8 games on average... The PS3 has sold a couple of dozen million consoles in Europe, give or take. It doesn't exactly follow that 'a couple of dozen million x's 2.8 softward sold to each PS3 owner = 8 million software units sold', does it? Pretty obviously the '8 million' was just France - where 8 million divide 2.8 attach rate would make sense as console install base - with the wording wrongly putting 'Europe' there. What's funny though is that trolls acknowledge this doesn't make a lot of sense, but have an intellectual block preventing them from logical deduction (ie. 'Europe' was written as France inadvertantly). Anything to make is so GT5 numbers are a conspiracy, or the each US customer is worth 174.56 non-US customer.
Europe knows better
@Conan O'Brian "So now Europe means world? Here comes the 'No, but' comments..." No, but if you look at the 2 highest selling consoles of all time, the PS2 and the DS, both of them have sold more in europe then in america. Which suggests it's the more important market. It kind of explains how even though the 360 has a hold of the American market, the ps3 has still been able to continuously close the gap in sales on the 360.
Let's do some math with the numbers from the article: --> 3 million PS3 consoles sold in France lifetime. --> Attach rate of 2.8 games per console in 2010. --> 3 million times 2.8 equals 8.4 million games sold in FRANCE in 2010 --> 8 million games total sold in "all of EUROPE" in 2010. Uh, what?
NO NO NO NO !!! ONLY North America Matters :/
Since when did anyone give a damn about France? im absolutely sure that games dont sell near as well in France as they do in the US or Japan. "Herp derp but plenty of people went to see 'Meet the Spartans' in Thailand! It doesnt matter if people hated it in the US!"
@ConanOBrien - You give Conan a bad name, please leave N4G forever. Thank you.
@Shepherd 214 Japan and the US sell more games than France ? no kidding.... Still, France is not as insignificant as you think, the video game industry represented 4 billion euros in 2010... And here's a chart, maybe a little outdated, but it still gives a good idea of the size of different markets: http://vgsales.wikia.com/wi...
@1.1: I think damage control is people who approve articles that are entitled "The PlayStation 3 is still ahead of the Xbox 360 in France". Grasping at straws, a bit.
Europe consist of 56 countries... @disagree You disagreed for a fact??? lulz....
According to wikipedia Europe has 50 countries. Just saying, I'm no geografy expert though.
@Aggesan http://en.wikipedia.org/wik... Including 6 self-proclaimed independence countries... and no, I'm not an expert of geography just sayin'...
amd america has 50 states... both regions are important for the platform holders
Confirmed. Fake!! PS3 has a total of 22 Million sold in Europe. You mean to tell me that the whole year those 22 million people bought only 8 million ps3 games between them? FAKE! Fake fake fake fake!! So ps3 does NOT outsell x360 games 2:1 in Europe...just France. Prove me wrong
I agree. But i'm not sure why you're screaming 'FAKE'. It's not so much FAKE as the article merely miss wrote 'Europe' in one spot where it should have said 'France'. I also agree, this article therefore doesn't prove attach rates outside France, but to date France has been pretty representative of most of Europe for the PS3. Some places, such as Germany are even more myopically pro-PS3. I think you'll be winging and prayering it hoping France represents some sort of aberration in PS3 v 360 software fortunes in Europe. I mean, in the same way US has been a strong hold for the 360 for those playing the two off against each other, we've had scores of companies (EA, Ubisoft) reporting upswings in their fortunes directly tied to PS3 Europe software. Did you think they were making it up? Something to do while not picking their nose? The PS3 brand pretty obviously does very well in Europe.
@Fail Wow, you finally got around to doing some basic math after spewing out nonsense such as... "Either gt5 didn't sell 5.5 million or Europe is a very small market." You really don't need much of a brain to figure it out. Basic math time kiddies... 822,000 PS3s sold in France in 2010 Multiply by 4 years for a very rough estimate of how many PS3s have sold in France since launch. That's 3,288,000 PS3s sold in France. Adjusting it to something more like 3.5 would be more accurate since the PS3 had a slow start and didn't sell as well in 2007 as it did in 2010. That gives you 2,877,000 PS3s sold in France. Still a rough estimate, but close enough considering the original article says "nearly 3 million". 8,000,000 PS3 games were sold in France in 2010. Divide by total PS3s sold over 4 years. That's roughly 2.8 games per console just like the article states. So, obviously, 8 million games sold in FRANCE in 2010, not all of Europe. Even the original French article makes this clear if you run it through Google Translate. We now return you to the trolls' and fanboys' regularly scheduled moronic ramblings... EDIT: Hilarious... someone disagrees with basic math.
Your retardedded did you not hear what ct03 said? "Let's do some math with the numbers from the article: --> 3 million PS3 consoles sold in France lifetime. --> Attach rate of 2.8 games per console in 2010. --> 3 million times 2.8 equals 8.4 million games sold in FRANCE in 2010 --> 8 million games total sold in "all of EUROPE" in 2010. Uh, what?" FailOverHero You FailOverMath
who ever submitted the story clearly wanted to start a flame war... France is not the whole of Europe..
The people disagreeing think that 8 million game sales for all of Europe make sense. With about 22 million PS3 consoles in European households, that would give a per-console attach rate of 0.36 games. Every third PS3 owner bought one game in 2010. Does not compute.
lol, no it's not. like i've been sayin', the ps3 does well worldwide.
huh i see ..europe actually does research before buying a console. with so many exclusives n multiplats ps3 will be getting sometimes i wonder if the ppl that buy 360s smoke crack
No you are reading it wrong, read the whole story as they also mention the figures of game sales in all of Europe.
Loooooool Europe sales = lame. If the WHOLE of Europe only sold 12.7 million ps3 and x360 games in total(8 mil ps3, 4.7 mil 360) the ENTIRE YEAR then NPD region truly is the world. Black Ops has sold more games worldwide than the sum of all 360 and ps3 games in the ENTIRE europe region in a year and it has been out only a couple of months
*Yawn* Go back to trolling your precious NPD article. Us logical people enjoy discussing overall and worldwide sales, not just a fraction of the pie that fits your arguments, much like 360 fanboys love to do.
"Black Ops has sold more games worldwide than the sum of all 360 and ps3 games in the ENTIRE europe region in a year and it has been out only a couple of months" From which galaxy is this "Europe" world you are talking about? You understand that Black Ops having this numbers worldwide is largely thanks to Europe rite?
From NPD, "The best-selling game for the month of December, and for the year, was Call of Duty: Black Ops. It sold more than 12 million units across all platforms. " I understand that Europe had a hand in the black ops numbers, but since people claim Europe is the home of gt5 sales it is starting to be just a bit confusing. Bear with me here. Total Black Ops sales on ps3 and 360 = 17 million. Total gt5 sales = 5.5 million Total ps3 and 360 fifa 11 sales = ?million Total ps3 and 360 software combined, EVERY SINGLE GAME TITLE, in europe = 12.7 million...um what?? The total of ALL games sold in Europe in the whole of 2010 is less than the total of a single game released 4 months ago. Does nobody else find this ridiculous?? Forget the whole 360 vs ps3 fight, lets just use some logic here and admit that Europe game sales are pretty lame if these are indeed Europe numbers and not just France. Just saying maybe you guys should do a bit of thinking before you start celebrating
You're so stupid and so funny at the same time.
I agree with you FailOverHero, the 8 million number is just France. However you'd make a better case if you 'just' stated that number doesn't make sense - hell, if you point out that it _can't_ make sense as being Europe totals with other information given in article (eg. 2.8 attach rate (presuming it's about same everywhere for Europe) and PS3 hardware numbers in Europe being ~20 million means a total Europe software sales of something probably closer to 45-50 million 2010). Trouble is you're _so_ fanatical that you run around screaming about GT5's number being a conspiracy and Europe being a nothing etc (in the hypothetical that 8 was Europe) to the point that people don't want to listen to what is actually a sound point. Which is strange, because i think you do recognise the 8 million is just one territory of Europe, so there's nothing to be gained with all the tangential ranting - but guess you can't help but indulge in and scream the fantasy bit (EUROPE IS NOTHING!! GT5 NUMBERS ARE A LIE!) even if it's at expense of the logic bit.
It is ridiculous failover that you don't see the obvious fail in the translation and are beating you chest about it. This is truly a monumental fail for you. I cannot stop laughing. @snp above EXACTLY!
You know what Kevin Butler says don't you? "Don't believe everything you read on the internet." Because it's wrong. Run the original French article which that article uses as a source through Google Translate. 3 million PS3s have sold in France. 8 million games this year. That's 2.8 games sold per console this year. The article N4G linked to is wrong. Plain and simple. Here's the original CORRECT source... http://translate.google.com...
It would also seem from that article, that they are not counting the UK as well. Damn French, 25 years and they still can't accept us.
So we are not only using it for Blurays after all. Europeans do love the PS3 for gaming. I know I do. On a side note; I am really curious what kind of games all these Kinect buyers are playing. Or are they just using it for the interface part. It boggles the mind, really.
well i guess its the sports and the dance game. the dance game is pretty fun for a while i think =D. i wouldnt buy a kinect just for that game though.
one woman in my office was really impressed with Kinect n how much she played in one day. so i told her the fun won't last long because there's only so much that can happen. i told her that instead of blue ball u'll get green balls... that's all. i was telling her from my own Move Sports game experience. i played it for two weeks n i stopped. that is why i prefer proper games with stories.
An average of 2 games each bought in 2010 for 360 players -- I can't imagine going a whole year only playing 2 games! That would be hell on Earth! :p
same here. 2 games is really not much, i would have missed out on so much last year. but i guess buyed games doesnt mean that they only played 2 games. there are other ways to get games like buying or exchanging used games and such.
Good point, I didn't even consider how much people use things like Gamefly/LoveFilm etc. these days!
There are people in europe who buy pro and/or fifa and thats it.
yeah thats also true, i have to brothers that only have fifa and maybe 1 or 2 games more.
I wonder if GT5 had an influence in those sales?
Europe is GT5`s strongest territory by far. I`m sure GT had a pretty hefty influence.
yep it sure does. Despite what people claimed that it wasnt going to sell because of the reviews
Bit of desperation after all the kinect/360 sales me thinks.
Bit of stupidity from you and your name, me thinks.
Wind the trolls up and watch them spin. All the positive press from kinct and 360 sales has been trounced by the trolls on here. Yet us so called fanboys give alittle back and you all flip.
Desperation? PS3 has been on top of the 360 worldwide for as long as I can remember. Why is it now suddenly desperation?
Sony's last official worldwide number is 41.6 million units. How can you say it's "on top"?
HE WASN'T talking about total units sold. He was talking about month to month sales. You do know that the 360 had a 6 million unit head start since they launched 1 year early, right?
Where's the news "PS3 exclusives for 2011 outnumber X360 10:1 (or 20:2)"? Who cares about sales? I play games, not stock market.
i think last month was full of it... i can't look at another 2011 exclusive games article. and i'm a ps3 lover.
I think this whole site should just get reset it's such a mess of fanboys and sociopathic people complaining and just trying to piss each other off. It should just restart from scratch and make you pass a psychological and IQ test to become a member.
WOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! Nah I'm kidding people always ask so whats going to change when the PS3 finally outsells the 360 somewhere. Nothing really
well, 360 fanboys will be sad pandas...blah
People, we should be happy, now we have Europe numbers even if they are weak. Black Ops on 360 alone has sold more than EVERY SINGLE PS3 GAME COMBINED IN EUROPE THIS WHOLE YEAR! You let that marinate.
Yes, Let your stupidity and influenced bias marinate in the grill so the aroma of "Fanboyism" hit's you in the face. @Below, Damn you dark, you beat me to it! :(
you should also know black ops on ps3 alone outsold europe numbers for the year so what is your point. another 360 fan here trying to claim a multi-plat for his console. have fun with your multi-plat box. by the way black ops blows, i imagine majority of the people that play BO also watch jersey shore cause they love useless crap.
Why u hating on jersey shore? It has nothing to do with ps3 v x360 just because millions of ppl like something doesn't make it bad, I'm sure if everybody liked ur console of choice u would all of a sudden not like it anymore
Games like FIFA and CoD combined together in Europe on PS3 are bigger than those numbers, if a country like Australia can have only 1 million total PS3s and still sell millions of games, then the whole of Europe, will sell more than what this article is claiming to be the 'whole' of Europe. Edit: VG Charts may be guess but they can be close so according to them, FIFA 2011 has sold over 3 million in Europe. Added with there numbers of Black Ops for Europe, once again over 3.5 million. Also add Assassins creed: Brotherhood and you have more than this article is claiming for the whole, of Europe, without any other games. Yeah totally true....
dude get a life, just that. And 8 million is for France if u actualy had used brain u d know that.
oh dear, you sound really angry here.