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PS3 Hacker Geohot appears in Court

The start of 2011 is proving to be an eventful one for Sony. The year has already seen the PlayStation 3's security measures broken wide open, a development followed promptly by a Sony lawsuit against the responsible parties: original iPhone jailbreaker George Hotz and a hacker collective called fail0verflow. Hotz responded to the charges in court for the first time yesterday, as his attorney filed a response to Sony's request for a temporary restraining order and confiscation of the hacker's computers.

Now it's time for hackers to try and crack Sony's legal team.

“This case is not about Sony Computer Entertainment America LLP attempting to protect its intellectual property or otherwise seek bona fide relief from the court,” the attorney said in his response. “Rather, it's an attempt for Sony to send a message to any would-be individual that attempting to use any hardware it manufacturers in a way it does not deem appropriate will result in harsh legal consequences, irrespective of any legal basis or authority for such action.”

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Raendom2775d ago

He looks like Elijah Wood... kinda.

jizzyjones2775d ago

He look's like he's going to jail

Loner2775d ago

Dont put your money on it

NewMonday2775d ago

The case is about restraining his hacking and impounding his hardware only so far.

The lawyer didn’t respond to the serious infringement of the privet key. Which any software will need on the PS3. Can the hacker hack the PS3 without it or is he a hack?

This looks like it will drag on and maybe exhaust the kid financially.

SasanovaS19872775d ago

sony doesnt need to win the case. they need to drag it out, drain the kid of everything he has, and forfeit. that should teach him a lesson. and when he gets all his money back again, and tries another hack, hel think twice to release it. thats enough for sony i believe. as for the hackers, im pretty sure once their done with these hackers, the turn off switch is able and ready to be pulled. total shut down of every ps3 that has been tempered with. Oh did you say you dont log on to PSN? thats cute, but just explain to me how your "news" bar at the top right of your screen updates itself? guess what, their watching you even when your offline. better start saving up another 300 bucks for a new ps3, or just move ur sorry @ss to the 360

BlackKnight2775d ago (Edited 2775d ago )

@SasanovaS1987

"Oh did you say you dont log on to PSN? thats cute, but just explain to me how your "news" bar at the top right of your screen updates itself? guess what, their watching you even when your offline."

Lol, it's sad if you are that stupid or ignorant. This isn't an insult, you legitimately look to be stupid. If you don't connect your PS3 to your home network, wired or wireless, it will be impossible for Sony to see anything going on with your PS3. What are they going to use? Magic?

Eamon2775d ago

LMAO at BlackKnight's comment.

There's a very easy way to not let your PS3 connect online.

It's called removing the ethernet cable :)

Omegasyde2775d ago

He is going to jail.

And in another article people are crying @song for sending the 1 dollar. The whole reason for sending the dollar was to pull his Pay Pal account as evidence.

The Judge can request financial inquiries on all acivity relating to the account. But in reflection what Sony did was set him up which the defense will argue "entrapment". It's really a gamble, however they sent many cease and desist letters and documented them. ( I am *assuming* that is why he backed out a while ago over the whole linux debacle.)

However if Sony will be burned like Apple in court is debatable. Obviously the lawyers took a long hard look a that case, and feel as if they have a better leg to stand on.

In the digital copyright millenium act it states:
"The congressional determination to promote electronic commerce and the distribution of digital works by providing copyright owners with legal tools to prevent widespread piracy was tempered with concern for maintaining the integrity of the statutory limitations on the exclusive rights of copyright owners."

Link:
http://www.copyright.gov/re...

--In a nutshell, The copyright owner (Sony) has the right to protect against piracy. Now Sony has to provide the burden of proof that the (geohot) exploit was responsible for piracy. How they get the evidence is beyond me. They can use PayPal as a tool to bring in witnesses to testify i.e. further subpoenas.

My *guess* is that they find a smaller fish (hacker/pirate) to try and fry Geohot in which they probably already have. Either way the case will probably take a while. I highly doubt GeoHot will see any prison time but looks to lose more than Sony.

morganfell2775d ago

To add to what Omegasyde is saying, Sony is not a legal authority. therefore they are not bound by the same ethics or discovery of evidence rules as governs the actions of federal, state, and local law enforcement. All that has to be proven as that said evidence when handed over is authentic. Even chain of custody is not a matter since nothing is being seized.

By Sony using their own investigations, they can move faster and into areas which would be forbidden to law enforcement without lengthy proofs of cause.

geohot is going down and he will have nothing to blame but his own arrogance and ego.

presto7172775d ago

I am secretly rooting for Geohotz to win. I am tired of the crappy official firmware from Sony that has pretty much sucked all along. Seriously...Facebook integration?? WTF?!!

gman_moose2775d ago

I'm getting really annoyed with these hackers claiming they are against piracy. There is no reason to hack the PS3 if not to play pirated software.... NOT ONE REASON AT ALL.

Anything else you can do on a hacked PS3 CAN BE DONE ON A PC!!!! SNES emulator? Who the fuck needs a PS3 for that? You can do it on your PC. Homebrew apps? Why PS3? Do it on PC.

It comes down to this. Sony said the system was secure, and these douchebag losers would not rest until they could prove otherwise. Congratufuckinglations assholes. Now every online game is slowly going to get hacked to shit until they are unplayable. The reprecussions of this go far beyond being able to use Linux again, and they were well aware of it. This was malicious in nature, and I hope Mr Hotz does have to serve jail time, and I hope his corn hole is prepared for it.

Shadow Flare2775d ago

Well if he goes to jail then someones gonna be the lord of his ring

inveni02775d ago

Only law enforcement can be guilty of entrapment, and only with regard to felonies.

King-Leonidas2775d ago

lol Loner u shouldnt support piracy/hacking of anykind since it hurts the gamming industry. And im pretty sure u like games right

smashman982775d ago

look i know just as much as the next guy what geohot did was morally wrong he said so himself that he was scared ur not scared if ur doing the right thing. he knows this is illegal he knows the laws hes been on several sites and the news quoting the law but hes just a kid 21 years old andd it hurts me that someone as young and as smart as him is risking his life for this

baodeus2775d ago

@blacknight

[email protected] even get 28 agrees. Sure show how smart some people are on N4G.

Jamegohanssj52775d ago

ROFLZ! Jizzy, you've been bubbled.

TGSI

DOMination2775d ago

Even if he doesn't log into the PSN, he won't be able to play new games if they come with the latest firmware as a mandatory install.

laaakokaracha2775d ago

even if he goes to jail , can he not hack himself out of jail again??

Blacktric2775d ago

I hope he drops the soap.

Armyntt2775d ago

Someone explain how hes going to jail. Last i heard there was no charges brought against him just a lawsuit. A lawsuit does not equal charges of a crime. For the guys above that think hes using any of his own money think again. He'll be backed financially by a electronic rights group. BTW i dont condone piracy or back this guy in any way.

hakis862775d ago

@1.1
Shouldn't be a problem for him - he knows how to jailbreak.
;)

zag2775d ago

I wonder how he's going to get out of the agreeing to the T7Cs on the back of the manual, that you agree to when you open the box to a PS3.

I guess he hasn't thought of that and this lawyer probably isn't going to be too crash hotz either, if he hasn't picked up on that.

T&C's aren't just for the PSN.

Also he'd have agreed to the firmware upgrade T&Cs as well, as it has a firmware updated PS3 to 3.55.

While he might be bright enough to hack something.

he's a bit behind the times in the real world.

Going to be a laugh when Sony state ALL of the above in court.

zag2775d ago

@Omegasyde

He's a goner for sure, the digital copyright millenium act was brought in the deal with this stuff directly.

The people it's used against have to PROVE they DIDN'T do what they are being accused of doing, other wise your guilty.

It's not really a case of Sony having to prove their side they just have to provide enough stuff so that he can't PROVE that he didn't do the hacking.

To which everyone knows he's been hacking the system and he's said it himself all over the place.

Saying you don't want people to use your hacks for piracy won't stand in court as he hasn't done anything to directly stop people from using his hacks for piracy on the PS3.

Him releasing the key and a program to sign stuff with it only requires 1 person to release a pirated game via it to have him busted/prove it was only for piracy alone.

regardless what he actually thinks.

ChickeyCantor2775d ago

"rain the kid of everything he has, and forfeit. that should teach him a lesson""

yeah these million dollars big guys are awesome roll models by draining a guy who probably lives on a minimum lone.

Yeah I mean, way to show them sony!
Your fanboys are proud !!!

They should just offer him a freaking job to help in development or something.

Its a WIN WIN.

dkgshiz2775d ago

I highly doubt it. Honestly, what could Sony really get back from this kid? I highly doubt he has a lot of money.

Dragon_Hiko2775d ago (Edited 2775d ago )

Haha, what? I'd say Sony's a great role model...they are showing when someone breaks the law and potentially not only loses millions for the company that brought some amazing hardware into the world, but also ruins the gaming experience for potentially millions of people playing online; and also the potential problem (as I saw someone else state in another article) of other hackers getting a hold of some poor fella's credit card info thats on the psn.

I as a customer of Sony...I would be outraged if Sony did nothing; and am very happy they are throwing the fucking book at him, and I hope it hits him right between his smug eyes.

And let me ask you this, would you hire the man who came into your house and took your shit while you were away, to then guard your house for you while you were away next time? Well by your logic, yes, yes you would. And it's dumb logic.

And as another post said up the list, he's only 21 fucking years old. I suppose it's his younger sense of immortality that has pushed him onwards in his quest for fame and glory. Because as I said in another article, the reason hackers are doing this is for the fame and publicity. If they were not, no one would ever know they hacked the thing but themselves.

Retro_Zombie2775d ago

"He look's like he's going to jail"

And in jail he's going to be someones bitch. XD

ChickeyCantor2775d ago (Edited 2775d ago )

" And let me ask you this, would you hire the man who came into your house and took your shit while you were away"

Why yes, with his SKILLS i think i will profit more from it than to drain the little he has.

" Well by your logic, yes, yes you would. And it's dumb logic"

You really don't see the benefits of his skills for programming do you? He could be a good asset for Sony.

Dumb?
Boy, you think your perspective is the most intelligent isn't it?

" Because as I said in another article, the reason hackers are doing this is for the fame and publicity. If they were not, no one would ever know they hacked the thing but themselves."
what kind of bs is this?
First of, most hackers do this to enhance their knowledge. Next to that, he is EXPOSING the flaws of a system. This isnt about fame, just a discovery.
Sony should have made use of this, instead look what happened.

Dragon_Hiko2774d ago (Edited 2774d ago )

" And let me ask you this, would you hire the man who came into your house and took your shit while you were away"

"Why yes, with his SKILLS i think i will profit more from it than to drain the little he has."

" Well by your logic, yes, yes you would. And it's dumb logic"

"You really don't see the benefits of his skills for programming do you? He could be a good asset for Sony. "

HAHA, first there is not much skill in waiting for you to be gone, and breaking a window and stealing your shit, that is no skill, and you would be RETARDED to hire that man to then guard your shit. It was a loaded question on my part, and you're really dumb for agreeing to it.

Here let me ask you another one. If a man breaks into your house, and kills your wife, will you hire him to guard your daughter too? Come on...but his skills are so good.

Now about Geohot, no I don't see anymore benefit in hiring him than any of the thousands of college graduate computer genius's that could have been hackers but went to school to get jobs like at Sony.

And by the way yes, my opinion of my opinion is that it is more intelligent than yours. I normally only reply when I see something of great interest to discuss, or really stupid comments like yours that I just can't stand to see unrefuted.

"First of, most hackers do this to enhance their knowledge. Next to that, he is EXPOSING the flaws of a system. This isnt about fame, just a discovery.
Sony should have made use of this, instead look what happened."

Well maybe if he HADN'T MADE IT PUBLIC to the WORLD, and contacted Sony detailing everything he did, maybe then I could understand your 'Sony give him a job' attitude. But with what they did, we already have tons of cheats, broken multiplayer, broken trophies, potential to lose credit card information to hackers, and more and more. And again if hackers do it to 'enhance knowledge' then WHY MAKE IT PUBLIC TO THE WORLD!!!!!??? Oh yeah...they are attention whores and when faced with legal action that could cost them their entire lives they lie....who'd of thunk it?

knifefight2774d ago (Edited 2774d ago )

@ people talking about jail.

People don't go to jail for lawsuits.

The_Illusive_Man2774d ago

if he doesnt i would put money on sony doing somthing else

ChickeyCantor2774d ago (Edited 2774d ago )

" HAHA, first there is not much skill in waiting for you to be gone, and breaking a window and stealing your shit, that is no skill,"

You compared it to hacking the Ps3.
So it must be some advanced secured house im living in.
And by going the money power i would have then, comparing it to sony, i would hire him to steal for me.
Get it? ah...guess not.

This is guy is a good asset to any programming group.
Even to Sony.
Thats all im saying.
Now take your nose off their hole.

Dragon_Hiko2774d ago

" HAHA, first there is not much skill in waiting for you to be gone, and breaking a window and stealing your shit, that is no skill,"

"You compared it to hacking the Ps3.
So it must be some advanced secured house im living in.
And by going the money power i would have then, comparing it to sony, i would hire him to steal for me.
Get it? ah...guess not."

You really are a smeg head you know that Rimmer, I mean Sidar, a total smeg head. And no I used a basic example of the idiocy of hiring someone who wronged you. I actually put in another example in my last post you ignored. I'm curious if you'll ignore it again or not. See when I debate I debate every point my opponent lays forth or...basically I'm just talking out my ass like you are. So once again, if a man broke into your state of the art fancy house and killed your wife, would you hire him to protect your daughter, or hire him to go kill your competitor's wife? Either way...your stupid or pretty messed up man.

"This is guy is a good asset to any programming group.
Even to Sony.
Thats all im saying.

Now take your nose off their hole."

Hehe cute kid, very cute. I'm sticking my nose up sony's ass, because I think the man who potentially lost them millions of dollars and at the same time fucked up my gaming experience should pay for it? Thats a great argument you got there. You remind me of the way idiot kids argued back grade school. Stick to an actual point! If you want to insult someone, like I do you, at least back it up with a decent point besides that, otherwise it's rather shallow. How do you know he's a good asset to a programing group just because he can hack? He could have bad social skills, could be a royal douche bag that no one wanted to work with. He could be driven towards only doing the things he wants to do and not helping out the team for the good of the group. Theres a hundred different reasons why he would not even be good in a programming group without even taking his 'skillz' into account.

And why aren't you debating the other points in my last post, the ones about hackers going for fame and glory? About how you think they do it for educational experiences only...but still feel the need to let the whole world know what they did? Why did you even come back and reply to me at all with nothing at all new to bring to the table? I think you should just stop while your a few steps behind my friend.

ChickeyCantor2774d ago (Edited 2774d ago )

"and at the same time fucked up my gaming experience? "

LOL
right. Lay of the drugs.

Im not sure what fame will bring them good.
No hacker will benefit from it.
The reason he showed it to the world, is to tell them there is a potential use for doing more with your system.

Home-brewers love this stuff, and for your information, not all home-brewers condone illegal downloads.
But even the home-brew community is little, so how will a world wide announcement benefit him? What will this fame do to him ? what is it that he will gain with this fame?

"" How do you know he's a good asset to a programing group just because he can hack? He could have bad social skills, could be a royal douche bag that no one wanted to work with"

Cause bizz is one big happy family? LOL.
He is a good asset, due the things he can do.
He was able to reverse engineer stuff on his own.
ONE GUY. I've known many Douchebags while being on the work-ground. social sh/t got nothing to do with it.

" Theres a hundred different reasons why he would not even be good in a programming group without even taking his 'skillz' into account. "

Who says he wasn't already working for a company?
You think programmers just sit home and do nothing?
All programmers i know make their own stuff while not being at work.

" if a man broke into your state of the art fancy house and killed your wife, would you hire him to protect your daughter, or hire him to go kill your competitor's wife? Either way...your stupid or pretty messed up man.
"

We are talking about hacking, you then compare it to "Murder" of my wife.
There is a difference.
The stealing example i could understand, but this is just over the top.
So as far as stupid goes, take a look in the mirror.
Comparing theft/modification with murder is kinda idiotic.

If someone is able to hack my system, hell yes i would hire him. Cause he could point out where the flaws are. His insight brings KNOWLEDGE to the table.

If a thief is able to break into a secured building, hell yes i would hire him to steal sh/t for me.
( IF I WAS SOME VILLAIN, why not?)

But damn, going to compare this shit with murdering my wife? LOL.
I eat babies for breakfast, you were saying?

Dragon_Hiko2774d ago

No, no drugs, look at this site.

http://modern-warfare-2-hac...

This one

http://www.tobys.dk/cod/mod...

and this one, which is interesting, it adds a santa hat, as well as aim bot firing through walls.

http://www.callofdutyhacks....

It took me 1 minute to find those links. Or am I in a drug hallucination imagining them?

And the enjoyment of being famous...is the adrenaline rush you feel when you think about how many thousands, upon tens of thousands of people either think you did something amazing, or at least know of what you did. How many people on this site alone have been talking about him in the last 5 days? I didn't say he'd get money from the fact that he's famous, I said he's getting off on it.

Also, I never said every hacker is evil/condones what Geohot does, just that he is a bloody idiot, and also every hacker that DOES condone game ruining experiences or theft is a douche.

And unless I'm mistaken, didn't Geohot give up on cracking the ps3 about a year ago publicly, and if it weren't for the team of hackers referred to as Failoverflow who did what he could not, taking the hacking to the next level; Geohot never would have been able to come back at the very end, finish a bit of coding and as far as I know release Sony's key or whatever it's called when Failoverflow did not want him too?

"I've known many Douchebags while being on the work-ground. social sh/t got nothing to do with it."

I honestly don't know what you're talking about there. If a person is a douchbag...it's normally because he acts like a douche to other people...hence he's got social issues as far as I know...social issues = problems getting along with others??

"We are talking about hacking, you then compare it to "Murder" of my wife.
There is a difference.
The stealing example i could understand, but this is just over the top.
So as far as stupid goes, take a look in the mirror.
Comparing theft/modification with murder is kinda idiotic."

Well...my analogy does make sense, even though it is very extreme, very extreme I admit...But I can also understand why it's a bit messed up, and on this one note alone I apologize, I suppose I got a bit too fired up and wanted to create a very colorful and over the top scenario. Talking about murdered wives is a little extreme of an analogy especially when we're talking about video games. Although, I still think it would be a stupid idea to hire a man who broke into my house and stole my things, but I guess...thats just me.

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renegade2775d ago

He looks like a punchable guy!

Wenis2775d ago

You look like you stole that joke from the other article

pixelsword2775d ago

all nerds are punchable

-FACT

40cal2775d ago

I wouldn't mind pistol whipping the S*** outta the kid.

yesah2775d ago

why is everyone against him? hes fighting for our rights, piracy may be bad but i for one would like the freedom to change my electronics software if i choose. It should not be illegal to hack things, it might violate Sony's TOS and get u banned from PSN but illegal? No.

DeadIIIRed2775d ago

@yesah haha no, soldiers in World War II fought for our rights. He's fighting for a hobby.

OGharryjoysticks2775d ago

yesah, I agree. You can unscrew it and put a sandwich in there if you want, but if you figured out how to run games without having to pay for them and post it on the internet I don't think you should be doing that. Just like you're free to sign up and buy a gun, and when you get it will you pass it around to everybody and say I don't condone shootings or stick ups?

ComboBreaker2775d ago (Edited 2775d ago )

And yeah, I was implying an*l r*pe.

I am not sorry if I was too clear.

Exquisik2775d ago

@Yesah

How about I hack your house alarm system and then give your alarm code to everyone in your neighborhood so that they may have access to your house? That should be okay right? Since you consider hacking isn't illegal.

yesah2774d ago

@ above, yes that would be bad because it was MY alarm system if u hacked your own alarm system to have a different sound should you go to jail?

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ScentlessApprentice72775d ago (Edited 2775d ago )

He looks like he needs a swift kick to the face! Showing his teeth like that only reaffirms that statement. I'll be waiting in line.

Edit: This article was submitted by Loner? LOL, now that's funny. Don't quit your day-troll kid.

Loner2775d ago

* Don't quit your day job troll kid.
I correct it for you

ScentlessApprentice72775d ago (Edited 2775d ago )

You are troll, therefore you are. Trolling is just as synonymous with your daily life as going to the bathroom. It doesn't appear to be a simple daily distraction for you, hence no requirement for the word "job".

BTW, if you even care for communicating in proper English, it would be "I corrected it for you". Still a nice thought though. Thanks kid.

FailOverHero2775d ago

I dare you to make less sense. Seriously, I dare you.

Baka-akaB2775d ago

@Raendom

I think you just gave hollywood a casting idea for the movie

Eyeco2775d ago

theres a similar film like that already , its called Roadhouse

deadpoole2775d ago (Edited 2775d ago )

Loll

sobekflakmonkey2775d ago

if thats george hotz, i would say he looks like a creep, but maybe thats just the image...

The_Illusive_Man2774d ago

i agree he looks like a future pedofile

Noctis2775d ago

He looks like the ice truck killer D:

DeFFeR2775d ago

Holy Shit... you're so right...

MGRogue20172775d ago

Frodo Baggins from Lord of The Rings. :D

Christopher2775d ago (Edited 2775d ago )

***This case is not about Sony Computer Entertainment America LLP attempting to protect its intellectual property***

Actually, that's exactly what their documents look like. They don't mention anything about Hotz or others hacking the software. Their complaints are purely on the distribution of the security keys and software that enables people to place unsigned software on the PS3, specifically software that facilitates piracy by opening loop holes previously closed by Sony in order to prevent piracy.

He needs a better lawyer if this is what they're opening with.

The_Illusive_Man2774d ago

well sony probably have 10 of the worlds best lawers working for them so yeah he needs a betther lawer

UNLOADEAD2775d ago

Fuck Geohot! He is a douchebag who wants attention.

madpuppy2775d ago

He sounds like he has a jaw breaker in his mouth when speaks. weird. :P

milohighclub2775d ago

he looks like he's gonna be bending over in the near future.

ComboBreaker2775d ago (Edited 2775d ago )

are going to love this Geo nerd so much. And yes, I meant true love, the kind of true physical love one get from behind.

the_manson_charles2775d ago

Geohot turned in celebrity of Sony... :)