Jack Turner at Which? Convo: Recently, Electronic Arts’ CEO John Riccitiello stated that revenue for game downloads will overtake traditional box copies in 2011. In my eyes this sets a worrying trend in which we’ll eventually lose out.
I don't think I'd be too bothered. My Steam account is bulging already- in fact, I only have about 5 disc-based games for PC and I don't use the discs for any of them any more.
It's fine for PC people, but for console people... not so much. I like to have a solid game case collection, rather than a pixelated collection. My game collection is like a stamp collection to someone else.
it is a convenience that we all knew was coming. In fact the only thing I will actually lose out on is having to toss out packaging from buying a new game. Steam is a fine example of how to do it right on the PC. XBL/PSN are a couple more good examples. It works...maybe not so much on their pricing but...it works.
I agree. My steam account just beefed up during the holidays. So many deals...so many good games. I couldn't resist.
I wonder if there'll ever be a day when it'd work for console's as well. I don't think the PSP GO was a good example, as you had to buy from the PSN store. Maybe a console with different game stores? Like the PS3 has different movie stores - the PS store, but also LoveFilm, Hulu and Mubi. That might work for some competition in prices. Or maybe a console made by a company that doesn't make games - like Apple.
the Go is a good example. It perfectly symbolizes the simplicity of how the PS store should work. It should come as no surprise that if the new PSP2 does not have a physical media drive then we are really looking at a newer more robust version of the Go. It isnt as bad as some would think. Biggest drawback...no UMD. That is it really. In fact, have had one for almost a year, I havent bought a new umd game. I have 2 other PSP units (1000, 2000) and yet it is actually more convenient for me to buy my game on the store. Then I can download it to my other units and all 3 can play the same game instead of only one being able to play the UMD at a time (except the Go of course). People dont want to give up the physical nature of things. It gives the perception that they have no control over things if it isnt something they can hold. I do think there could be more up to date pricing structure. It does seem odd that physical games go on sale more than their digital counterparts. They go on sale from time to time but just not at the same frequency.
How would collector's editions work?
Well you'd get a package from the company that sold you the game, with an art book, soundtrack and what not, and a limited edition download card along with a special instruction booklet telling you how to play the game with a limited edition cover that would have been on the retail box. Sounds lame huh.
It should go digital
Can you return it and get your money back through digital copy?.
not yet. but if digital content become a mainstream, there will be a law for such purchase.
Yeah...ever heard of a demo or trial?
Not every game has a "demo" or "trial". Nice try though. For the record, I am not against DD. All I'm pointing out is that it lacks the basic retail consumer rules that physical copy games have.
I disagree. I will miss box art however . . .
I actually throw away all my cases and store them all in 500 disk holder binder. So if my place burns down, i'll be grabbing that along with my laptop.
If its one of them with soft plastic pages... Then you are ruining your discs.
If my place burns down I'll have to carry a huge chest of drawers full of games :/
If my place burns down, I'll just redownload everything from Steam.
All blurays. So they're heavily scratch resistant and it's a very fat binder. I'm about halfway full. Now, i just hope no one breaks into my room and steals the damn thing. I would cry. I probably invested $800+ worth of games and movies and tv series. ^Same. I use steam and the PSN too. Gotta save the laptop especially for those pics and wink wink homemade vids.
^ Oh, you mean THOSE pics and vids. You just made me realize that if my place burned down, it would be a freaking disaster.
Ack.. You're one of those people. I never understood how there could be so many games without cases at used game stores. Throwing away the case is almost like destroying the game in my mind. I'm one of those people who rummage through the bins sliding out the best cover arts and trying to match them with the best cases and discs.
Yeah, i throw away all the papers too. I ran out of space and suddenly decided to do it a few months ago. I had almost four trash bags full of cases.
Have yourself a digital room with library collection or also a digital shelf for digital cover art and so on, xD, even if you don't want to, digital process are the future, and with it may fall piracy, hope the ps2 have both digital so hardrive ala DS card.
a positive could be no sales tax...thing is hard copy games are actually sold for $50 to retailers and then they add the other $10 to gain revenue on the inventory that they have in stock...now if PSN/XBLA decided to charge the same price when the retailer is taken out of the equation, then yes we would lose out and i feel like less games would be sold that way...plus future machines would need to have at least 500GB HDD's if this is the way the industry is heading
Psssh 1TB min (what they could do is give us free internet through our isp's for the download, id be happy with that :] )
i don't mind digital downloads if they are cheaper like when steam have sales. when steam doesn't have sales it is overly expensive (example below) the witcher 2 steam preorder price = £31.49 the witcher 2 GAME(retail preorder) price = £24.99 In the uk digital downloads are almost always more expensive apart from when the digital download sites have sales.
Steam's sales are good - but really I can get games SOOOoo cheap in the UK. Even on launch - all the competition with supermarkets and online retailers just brings the prices down. Something that digital stores with prices set by publishers and manufacters can't match. Some stores can't even match them - like HMV. It's not really like in the US, where the retail price of like $60 stays like that for months.
COD 4 stayed at $60 for a year or two.
Awhile ago they were still trying to sell Twilight Princess for full retail price when first they came out among other games, they just went down to about $40 recently.
I'd be more than happy if gaming went fully digital. I save $20-30 per new release I buy on Steam vs. a store like EB Games. New game on Steam = $50, sometimes $60 typically. New game at EB Games = $60-70, + tax = $68-$79 in Canada.
Does seem like it's different on the other side of the pond - games are generally cheaper if bought on disc. Still I think Steam is diff to say PSN or Xbox Live - when the manufacturers have more control then the prices will stay high.
I suppose if there's a greedy company like Microsoft or Sony in control of the entire market, that really wouldn't be a good thing.
That is why they can coexist. :)
one problem I see with Digital Only game distribution is that download speeds are not fast enough in most places. Will most people be willing or able to download games over hours (sometimes) instead of just going to the store to buy a hard copy?
I'll let the numbers speak: PC Digital Download 2010 = $2.5bn (+60% vs. 2009) PC Retail Boxed 2010 = $2.1bn (-19% vs. 2009) PSWii60 2010 = $10.6bn (-29% vs. 2009) http://www.newzoo.com/ENG/1...
Cable/dsl will be history just like 56k if/when retail games no longer exist. Everything is always advancing, you can't talk about future events without talking about how new technology will affect it. When internet TV started in the late 90's, connection speeds demanded tiny resolutions with horrrrrible slide-show frame-rates. "it will never beat TV!" I'm not directly in support of DD but there's really no avoiding it at this point.
EFF digital-only. I'll stick with my hard copy, thanks.
I don't wanna go digital only. not on consoles anyway. Handhelds are a different story. I really hope the psp2 will be cloud based. And if sony's "playstation cloud" patent is anything to go by I might be right. It only makes sense for handhelds to go discless because they really hinder it's portability. And it could lead to potentially cheaper handheld devices.
Physical copy till I die! I love having the box.
I will never be okay with digital only. It's a burden to me. I just recently bought Vice City Stories via download on PSP. It ate up half of my Memory Stick. Yes, size will increase in the future as well as download speeds, but I can't EVER go fully digital for anything. Hell, I download a ton of songs on a weekly basis, but I continue buying CDs because I...... I don't know. I just like the old-fashioned way, I guess. I really hope the world can find space for the two of them. They're currently living in the same space and I find no need to eliminate the consumer's options. Side Note: My house just started smelling like Pumpkin Pie..... I'm gonna go search..
Why can't digital and retail both exist at the same time? Why does everybody only want one definitive format? I like buying retail more then downloading because of the following reasons. 1.) When I buy a game on retail it's mine. (What if hypothetically PSN/Steam/XBL aren't around in the future? All of your games that you bought digitally will be obsolete and you probably can't access them.) 2.) The box art is something really cool to have for fans of the series. (At least PS3/PC games have cool box art when you own a retail copy of a game.) 3.) You can trade in games if you want money towards other games. (Can't do that with digital games.) I can understand from a business stand point that you can make games cheaper, more secure, and would save developers more money but it's not gonna stop the hacking either way. Consumer wise you would save a lot of money on games and you'll probably get them sooner since you don't have packaging and worry about and save shelf space but I like owning my own games. IMO. I feel buying games digitally feels like I'm owning renting games and that developers or publishers could just take it from me anytime they want without we knowing it since it's all digital. These are the big questions that need to be answered. To make both sides happy just keep both formats available that way everybody gets what they want. Variety is good you know. :D
maybe people have the highlander mentality?... i dno <_<
I'd hate DD only. It's not fair on people without internet access or people who just prefer physical copies.
A great many things about life are not fair.
yes, but if you want to sell a product, you assure that its fair for most people.
Oh don't get me wrong visualb. I am quite fond of having physical products. I just stopped worrying about what was fair in life long ago. Fairness is ultimately a Utopian ideal.
my internet is too sloooooow WTF and digital downloads are tooo expensive greedy pricks are only doing this to attack used game sales
..if you play multiplayer games online. "There’s also the question of what happens to all this digital content in the future. Will everything I buy digitally now be supported and accessible in five years time? There’s no guarantee, but I do know that my old Nintendo cartridges will still be going strong twenty five years after release." What happens to halo reach/gears/cod/bf/etc when XBL/PSN/dedicated servers go down or lose 99.999999999999999% of players? You won't be able to play anything but the campaign. "At least thats something" But if you are on XBL, chances are you are playing 100 times more multiplayer than single player. The multiplayer experiences are probably what you will be most nostalgic for, eventually they wont be there regardless of media format. AND THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO.
Theres a problem with digital distribution. There are still ALOT of people who don't have internet access, and that's really the only way digital games can be distributed. Those people would miss out, and it would be unfair on them.
Most games start at $60 then quickly drop in value over time. That's the way it should be since you wouldn't want to pay full price for a three year old game. However on PSN and XBL time stands still and game prices hardly ever drop. You pay full price the day they are released and also two years later. That's why physical copies are so important. The second hand market reflect the true value of a game and is valuable for the games eco-system. We trade our games and use the money to buy more games.
with dd only the gaming industry would be finished like it more or less is with the music industry
you have to take into account the millions of people that dont even have internet.
Some games are just fine as download, but serious quality requires a little more space. Im a physical media guy. Disc has many advantages and I love a physical collection, but I cant deny that download can be quite convinient. Single DVD games do well as downloads, they are often way compressed anyways, and dont take very long to download. Indie games on discs, no thanks but games like Rage or MGS4 better stay on physical media IMO. Like "Required storage space 25 GB" Its gonna be a lot after 15 similiar games.
I wouldn't mind all digital but not at the prices you see on psn at the moment for full games , latest one being borderlands at 23 .99 yet it's 9.99 boxed If developers are wanting all digital then they need to play fair or I'm out
Yeah prices doesn't seem to go down with Digital games. Sure there are sales, but the prices go straight back up afterwards. Whereas retailers can fight on price.
Another person scared of change. Worthless article. If Game stop is going digital so can you lol.
Yes EA will certainly lose out. They're profits are based entirely on idiots going into a store and buying a game with a familiar title. If there's downloadable demos for everything people won't get suckered into buying mediocre junk anymore.
EA will lose out because by digital distribution, money will go straight to the developers instead to the publishers. Unless there's some sort of agreement between the two parties. Anyway i love box copies, but the deal in Steam is just too hard to resist.
Yeh DD works great for PC gamers and STEAM is AWESOME!! Daily sales plus competition from developers website and other DD companies. but this would suck for console gamers because Nintendo Sony and M$ would just keep the prices the same because there would be ZERO competition and you would never get discounts like they do for used games or when chain stores have sales to make shelf space or con you into coming into the store to buy other stuff. Plus if you bought a really bad game then your stuck with it and that would piss a gamer off leaving him/her feeling that that Developer owes them one thus leading to this "I got ripped off by buying GameX from Developer GameCo so when they release GameX 2 or GameY I'm gonna pirate a copy first to make sure it's of quality before buying it as I don't want to waste another $60". Yoda "Thus the Pirating War Begins".
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