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Sony Attempt to 'Restrain' PlayStation 3 Hackers Doomed?

Sony's legal actions were as inexorable as the PS3's security takedown, and while much of what's next hinges on delicate legal parsing, the bottom line is: Were Hotz and team "jailbreaking," i.e. gaining "root access" to the PS3?

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Shackdaddy8362809d ago (Edited 2809d ago )

edit. wrong article :/

...1ST!

MintBerryCrunch2809d ago

really? 1st, what was the point of that

like i said before...there is a lot that can change in the coming days and even months...this is a restraining order for both geohot and failoverflow to stop any further spread of their programs

remember that this is SCEA suing since they have the DMCA behind them which could backfire if someone uses the Apple argument against Sony....idk what the laws are in other countries...but if we go back to the lawsuit Sony had to deal with in Spain over OtherOS in which they lost because of its removal, then i would think that suing hackers around the world would be futile and a pointless loss of money...this IMO is pure intimidation on their part...showing off their muscle to the rest of the hacking scene of what Sony is capable of...basically trying to tone down the hacking at this point or even turn off others who have thought about jailbreaking

MAJ0R2809d ago

well I'm sure it will work if they win, it would scare the hell outa me if they went to jail for a long time. I would never even think about releasing hacks for the PS3

WhittO2809d ago

I hope they win and I hope it scares the rest of them.

I think they will actually start trying to hack the ps3 even more and make it their no1 priority, but if Sony keeps suing them and winning, they would soon back off.

The only good thing to come out of hacking/jailbreaking is the features they add, and forces the owner of that hardware to add the missing features people jailbreak for (i.e Apple adding most of the features you get in a jailbreak).

irepbtown2809d ago

Think again,
"The Copyright Office also allowed bypassing the anticopying technology used in DVDs, but only for "documentary filmmaking," noncommercial videos, and educational uses--a ruling that stopped short of allowing Americans to legally make a backup copy for their own use, in case the original DVD gets damaged. It also doesn't apply to making backup copies of video game discs or Blu-ray discs."

Sony has a very good case.

RememberThe3572809d ago

"remember that this is SCEA suing since they have the DMCA behind them which could backfire if someone uses the Apple argument against Sony"

The Apple argument didn't work because cell phones are not covered by the DMCA. Game consoles are, so they actually have a case. Big difference here.

morganfell2809d ago

pcworld.com attempt to remain relevant doomed?

blahblah2808d ago

@whitto

you hope they win? why? because sony is so honest and righteous?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

especially be careful on the part when they not only infringed everything, but they also infringed on free piece of software (published under GPL). stealing from something provided for free is abysmal.

and since sony can't read other people copyright licenses, why would anyone read theirs

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BLACKBOIJONES2809d ago (Edited 2809d ago )

I can tell ur internet noob and got extra bubbles with ur multiple accounts!!!! Who cares if ur first???????? :|

Any way ontopic:- To b honest im not suprised the ps3 got hacked, i remember the ps2 got hacked so i figured it will b a matter of time b4 it happens to the ps3.

Shackdaddy8362808d ago (Edited 2808d ago )

Your obviously a dumbass because I said I made a mistake and posted on the wrong article. The fact that I said 1st was because I didn't have anything to say in the topic and felt like making a joke.

Grow up.

PS. I have ONE extra bubble. If I wanted to give myself extra bubs, then I wouldn't stop at just one.

Warprincess1162809d ago (Edited 2809d ago )

I hope sony wins. I hate hackers
but on the other hand. I really want to
see what people can create with homebrew.

-Alpha2809d ago (Edited 2809d ago )

There isn't anything wrong with hacking, and I don't see how you can hate hackers and then state you want to see what people create with homebrew. That's what hackers allow. I think what you mean to say is that you hate pirates, right? Because that's the distinction that is causing so many issues.

And I think that's the loophole that has allowed jailbreaking to go unpunished. Technically GeoHotz didn't pirate anything. And the issue Sony runs into is trying to control what people do with their product after they buy it. Do they have a right to go after GeoHotz, who hacked the product? By law he seems to have found a loophole, but surely he knew that he opened the door to piracy.

Piracy is the real thing that is damaging to Sony. The question is whether hackers are responsible for the piracy that others do since they open the door, but not necessarily pirate the product.

IMO while he is technically off the hook, he and hackers cannot be so obtuse to think that piracy isn't the big issue that comes out of hacking. He clearly knew it would happen, but whether or not he is responsible is the issue, and both sides are presenting technically valid arguments. This is why Sony going after hackers instead of pirates becomes a sticky issue.

BlackTar1872809d ago

Alpha Male great comment. People are def. confusing hacking with pirating yes one can't be available without the other but you are spot on.

Dont hate hackers they are extremely talented people hate pirates there like thieves and no one likes thieves

irepbtown2809d ago

You guys need to understand,

Publishing root keys on the internet which is a helping hand for Piraters, we all know this.

Oh and by the way,

"The Copyright Office also allowed bypassing the anticopying technology used in DVDs, but only for "documentary filmmaking," noncommercial videos, and educational uses--a ruling that stopped short of allowing Americans to legally make a backup copy for their own use, in case the original DVD gets damaged. It also doesn't apply to making backup copies of video game discs or Blu-ray discs."

Sony has a very good case.

-Alpha2809d ago (Edited 2809d ago )

But the problem is still the same, isn't it? They provided root keys, which is a hack, and piracy is a consequent of that hack. Pirates will use that hack to pirate games but the question still comes back to whether or not direct responsibility/blame falls on the person who hacked the console and allowed pirating to happen, or the person who decides to use the hack to pirate himself. A hacker isn't a pirate. And legally, hacking isn't seen as something that is bad, otherwise I assume GeoHotz would have been arrested a long time ago.

RememberThe3572809d ago

I read the papers Geohot was served and Sony has a case. That's why Geohot was served with the restraining order. Apparently under the DMCA it is illegal to do exactly what they did. Every law that these guys are being accused of braking they broke. It'll be up to their defense team to try to challenge the legitimacy of the law because under the DMCA Sony does seem to have a strong case.

ChronoJoe2809d ago

Sony will win this case, for sure.

But piracy will still prevail... it's already happened... this will likely slow things down... and probably put an end to most homebrew efforts as the legal side of the community wont want to touch it if they're issuing lawsuits.

In the end though, they deserve it. It's so naive of them to keep going round saying 'we're developing homebrew, not piracy' both ends share very similar means.

Mahr2808d ago

"the question still comes back to whether or not direct responsibility/blame falls on the person who hacked the console and allowed pirating to happen, or the person who decides to use the hack to pirate himself."

No offense, but this is not a question for most rational people.

Person A sells a crowbar. Person B buys a crowbar and uses it to open a crate. Person C buys a crowbar, uses it to break into a house, and assaults someone with it.

Do you arrest person C, or do you arrest all of the above because all crowbars everywhere enable crime and should be banned?

forcefullpower2808d ago (Edited 2808d ago )

@Matr

One Example. If person A new person C and told them he sold the item to person B and he got it from them. Person A & C could both be done for breaking and entering.

This argument goes for the hackers. They the hacker knowingly had the keys to the PS3. They had the choice knowing that it could lead to piracy and homebrew. They made that decision to release these keys to everyone that included both homebrew developers and pirates. Thus implecating themselves in the use of piracey.

Courts of law are not just black and white. There are many ways to interpret law and precedents that have to be looked at. What i have said above can be taken another way in there favour.

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citan2809d ago

PC World writing about PS3 hacks. Riiiight.

Prcko2809d ago

Did he needed this in his life???
and now he needs to battle against sony on court lol!
gl man i hope you gonna get around 2,3 years minimum,for this damage what you caused with this stupid hack!!!

cronaldo72809d ago

GeoHot likes attention.

And he surely loves himself writing "hello geohot" and not "hello world!"

GrandTheftZamboni2808d ago (Edited 2808d ago )

He's young and good looking for where he's going. Hope he likes the attention he'll be getting there. He might learn about some new brute force backdoor entries.

R2D22809d ago

Yeah but can you imagine if he wins - he already has MASSIVE REP for taken on Apple and now he is looking for rep for taken on Sony. who is next MS?

crzyjackbauer2809d ago

BOO HOO
sony should concentrate on making a solid OS for the PS3
instead of hiding behind the law

Sony has given up on its programers

darkdoom30002809d ago

90% of PS3 owners are gonna be effected negatively by all the online cheating and hacking. including trophy hacking, making them useless.

the other 10% of ps3 owners are gonna enjoy pirating.

SilverSlug2809d ago

Even though that hasn't happen yet, at least online cheating and there is ways to prevent it.

This is basically what I'm scared of.

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