While GT5 may be the best racing simulator available on the market right now it's racing side leaves a lot to be desired thanks to a very shoddy racing system, some atrocious A.I and some very very stupid decisions from Polyphony Digital
I could not agree with this more. It's both an incredible game, and a terrible one at the same time.
I tried to say this in my review of the game. I don't think people fully understand the point being made because they're so blinded by their love of the series. Well done. I hope it hits home and gets developers world wide to spend more attention to the title as a whole and not rely and the IP's popularity.
I can't see where the hate is coming from if I am honest. What is so bad about the AI for instance? They don't mindelessly ram you out of the way if you are in a slower car... they instead overtake you. I know a certain other game that recieved far higher scores that has AI which pushes you off the track because you are on the racing line but that game is considered to have better AI. I shall not name it as we all know what game I am talking about. I suppose the reviewers are 13 year old kids who think it is funny to ruin others gaming experiences online because they believe the correct way to race is to ram other people?! Or am I a fanboy for thinking that ramming is cheap tactic that has no place in a simulation? Please send your answers on a postcard.
@Granthinds Some people are not blinded but impressed with the game. Plenty of fans of the GT series admit GT5 could be better. Your arguement suggests that to have a high opinion of GT5 you must be a blind fankid. If that is indeed the point you are trying to make than I have to say that I think it is ignorant and closed minded. I have played most of the "racing" games to come out this gen. IMO GT5 stands above the rest when looking at the game as a whole. Sure some games do more in certain areas but that doesn't make them better overall games.
I'm on level 23 and some fair points in there. I'd also have liked to have seen some of the regulations from the licenses in there for races that contain at least 5 laps in A-Spec. (no corner cutting or impacting other cars) and no tuning cars in A-spec, because let’s face it half the races aren’t competitive and you blast past the opposition Night and weather A-spec races. However… GT5 really shines when you take you dream car on the Nurburg and just drive. Then it’s the best racing game… ever. Period.
"I know a certain other game that recieved far higher scores that has AI which pushes you off the track because you are on the racing line but that game is considered to have better AI." Fair comparison videos have proved that Forza 3's and GT5's AI were basically identical as far as overtaking and pushing the player out of the way in certain situations.
I am very impressed with GT5. It has been a long time since I have played a game like this. It's not perfect but it is excellent. I am level 30 and slowly working through the endurance races. Many of the races are easy and I do with they had difficulty levels for those who wanted something a bit more difficult. The GT Formula Championship is one of the hardest series of races I have ever experienced.
"Fair comparison videos have proved that Forza 3's and GT5's AI were basically identical as far as overtaking and pushing the player out of the way in certain situations." What the comparison didn't show was the situation where you are on the driving line on a straight, and the car behind would ram into the back of you and force you into a spin even though it had several seconds to consider a take over on the said straight. GT5 doesn't do this. If that ramming was done in real life the driver would be banned from motorsport for the rest of his/her life. Reviewers never marked that down in Forza 3, why should they mark down GT5?
I'm surpirsed WobblyOnion agrees with his sites article. Shocking indeed. Agree all you like with what ever you like. It doesn't deter from the fact that GT5 is an amazing title and probably the best wheel game I have played this generation on any console.
Ain't that the truth
*siren alarms* He said GT5 has atrocious AI. Guess he didn't see that video which shows it doesnt.
I didn't know that Internet videos were taken as the truth these days. How about the video that show it does? It's also an Internet video, so it must also be true
Because the video I'm refering to debunks the video which showed GT5 as having bad AI as a fake. And the video I'm refering to is linked below for you.
Make statements like that, then please include links :) Thanks!
No problem whatsoever Here you go: http://n4g.com/news/662428/...
Here are a couple of internet videos that show crazy physics glitches in GT5. Does that mean that the physics in GT5 suck, Shadow Flare? http://www.youtube.com/watc... http://www.youtube.com/watc... http://www.youtube.com/watc...
@Delbert Thats not really the point he was making was it? The video is about AI. Both Forza and GT5 have glitches just like most games.
Delbert (AKA Troll) We could list dozens of glitches by the competitors sim equivalent but then we wouldn't want our post to be marked as trolling like yours is now. On topic: These little blogging sites or main gaming sites can write what ever they choose. It does not change the fact the GT5 is an amazing sim racing game. Calling it a driving game only proves how little they know about gaming in general. Go to any PC sim racing site, and other than PC elitist snobs that wont admit any console game of any kind is good, the majority of them they hands down say GT5 is the best sim racer on a console.
@BrutallyHonest So then i'll assume you're saying polyphony digital doesn't know gaming in general or even there own game? Not sure if you have noticed GT5's case or not but it says the real DRIVING simulator, it mentions nothing of racing. Also the article you so enjoy insulting never said the game in general was bad, to the contrary the writer actually said he liked the game but simply pointed out certain flaws with it. By downplaying what was said in it and insulting the article you only go to prove his point about people fanboyishly defending the game and refusing to accept its faults, it is infact you who fails to understand gaming in general. I agree with the points made about AI, in my experience (especially with the license tests) IA-10 for example i had to retry nearly 50 times because from what i can tell the game not only has lousy AI there, It actually has NO AI at all. it appears to have a predefined NV racing line around the track that the other cars follow to the mm whether you are in the way or not. probably close to half of the 50 or so times i tried IA-10 i had been disqualified because another car decided it would be funny to ram me into a wall during a tight low speed turn, and i end up getting DQ'd for it. yet outside of licenses there are no regulations at all and believe it or not cars actually do try to avoid/pass you. Makes me wonder why PD decided to make the licenses a giant game of bumper cars.
Video? Video? Are you hearing yourself? Why watch a video when PLAYING THE FREAKING GAME shows it has dumb AI? *brand loyalty to a fault facepalm* Did you even think before posting that shadowflare? I'm WOWed by how incredibly serious you sound...tell me you're being sarcastic
WATCH the video, then change your underwear It's an 11 minute long DETAILED ANALYSIS of the AI Watch the whole video. If you still have an issue, then tell me. PS. I have the game, which is why I'm defending the AI
Because those who played it knows that it doesn't have dumb ai, and those who refuse to play it due to their fanboyism need a video to kick in reality in their heads. Im at level 14 already and the game's AI doesn't sleep on you.
Chang my underwear?? What are you 9? That would actually make sense because I cannot believe that ANYBODY with a mature brain can say WATCH this YouTube VIDEO, it proves. . .instead of saying play the game it proves. . . Hundreds of sites have reported(by playing and not watching) that the game has some pretty stupid AI, you even admit to this at the post below, one YouTube video is not proof of anything... "11 minute detailed analysis...". . .on YouTube, lol kids these days
@FailOverHero: You're disrespecting the video as a valid source of information yet you use imaginary hundreds of sites reporting bad AI without even playing the game. Otherwise you'd say: "yeah, played the game, AI sucks". I played the game quite a lot, AI doesn't handle well when collision occurs, but other than that it's far from brain dead.
"Hundreds of sites" ...it was only a select few. If you actually played the game, you'd see that the YouTube video that ShadowFlare posted holds credence. "lol kids these days" indeed.
@Failoverhero How is the youtube video not proof -__- lol "kids these days" ;D works both ways mate. Also dont take it so seriously we know your a 10 day old account but your acting like a 10 year old
Maybe play the game first man, then make a comment. I'm level 17 A-spec right now and the AI is really starting to pick up in the difficulty, forcing me to drive almost perfectly for every race.
GT5 has various problems... AI is not one of them.
Shadow Flare is right maybe you guys should play the game before talking? I am lvl 23 a-spec lvl 3 b-spec btw
Can you give me a link to the video? I think I know what video you're talking about but i'm not quite sure.
Thanks Shadow Flare...
The Ai in GT5 is the same level as any other racing simulator,this guy who wrote the article needs to play other racing simu on the PC like Rfactor and LFS the AI in GT5 is good http://n4g.com/news/662428/...
Just because it's as good as any other racing sim doesn't make it good.. it just makes the rest of the games just as bad.
Aka, GT5 does no worse then any other racer in terms of AI and should therefore never be singled out as having "atrocious AI" Thanks for playing
Of course it can and when Forza 4,5,6,7 etc come out they will most probably get the same treatment until the level of AI in racing games comes of age. Nothing is immune to criticism.
If the rest of the games are "just as bad" then why is GT5 the "worst racing game ever"?
AKA? Anyway if I'm a murderous scumbag(dumb AI) and all the other prison inmates(other racing games) are (with dumb AI)murderous scumbags, does that make me less of a murderous scumbag? No it doesn't. There are plenty of other games, even if they are in other genres(although I do not subscribe to the belief that GT5 AI is on par with other racers) that have great AI so therefore as a GAME, it can be singled out for dumb AI Thanx for inviting me(to play)
I disagree wholeheartedly, I have played dozens of racing games with better AI
And yet you chose to not list any of them. Suspicious.
@ FailOver Straw man fallacy try again. BTW you haven't played the game so your opinion is based off of the opinions of others? Tell me, what do you base your opinion off of. If you have played the game I would like to know at what point you decided it was so bad.
The game is great, but does have it's fair share of problems. A.i is actually pretty good imo. What does annoy me is when i'm online, and racing properly and then some nub slams into me. Sends me off the track(game says i've taken a shortcut and i'm penalised for it.) But for the most part the game is excellently done.
yea.. that's dumb ai. oops. it shows some people are actually dumber than the ai... or maybe the ai is better than some people.
tsk, tsk... 2 minutes later and no agrees or disagrees. You just set yourself up for a big fail. XD
and you care because ?
I think this guy has been playing online and didnt know it because there are some people who dont know how to race it feels like its dumb AI, that being said, apart from the odd case, the AI in GT5 isnt nearly as bad as what some people make it out to be.
He wants a Game game, he should go play Need for Speed, this is a SIMULATION game, it should be the best virtual driving experience ever. The author wants something he shouldn't want, so go play something else. Sim games are clearly not for you..Bye bye...Lol, its from Lazygamer.
he has some good points, i think everyone knows there is some bs going on with the ai, but ill forgive them because they improved the racing so much from previous gts, and thats why they invented online for
I agree the AI do hit the brakes when not needed sometimes, making you ram into them.
Good article that makes some valid criticisms about gt5's single player experience. Having no penalties for cutting corners and asking you to overtake a field of racers in two or three laps encourages cheating and reckless driving that has no place in a realistic racing sim. The ai does do some silly things at times. That being said, this is still the best racing sim out there and going online solves many of these problems.
Maybe the A.I. drivers break early because they didn't spend 100k cr. tuning a car to perfection? A.I. driver just bumped you into a wall, well...you probably invaded his space and gave him no choice but to do what any person would in that situation. If you're slamming into the back of A.I. drivers, you can't get mad at them for doing the same to you? Also, you can ram them and cheat your way through A spec, but those poor drivers will usually fail at License and Special events, then go on to blog about how bad the game is. What makes the A.I. so special in GT5 is the fact that the AI drivers will make mistakes, they will challenge each other for position, and there is no rubberbanding. I'd love to see video of the terrible A.I. in GT5. Everyone says it, but you never see the video.
This thread epitomizes what's wrong this gen with (some) gamers and the internet. You can't discuss rationally anymore. I still haven't tried any racer, sim or arcade with a fantastic AI. None is mentioned in this thread, and GT5 isn't fantastic either. Did anybody think that a realistic, fair and fun AI is a difficult challenge for any developer? GT5 is the best driving game that i tried ever. It has it's faults, but when it comes to the basics it is unbeatable because it combines perfect gaming mechanics (control of the car), with fantastic graphics, massive amount of variety (tracks, cars and events), and a very good non-driving experience (photo mode, gt-tv, track editor, tweaking car adjustments, etc..). Now if you want to concentrate on some screen tearing or the fact you need 3 clicks instead of 1 to do some things, it's your loss. You're the kind of person that when watching a beautiful girl imagines her farting.
what other people think about gt5. i like the game end of story.
Excuse Me but in A-spec there is a menu at every race that list "Typical Opponents". Next to the cars is a list of there horse power from highest to lowest. If you want challenging races what you need to do is read about your cars description. Each car you drive has its own amazing upgrades for which you really don't need to buy from the tune up shop. Then match up your horsepower with the pack leader and PRESTO!!! You've got a incredible Gran Turismo Race. The only problem I see with you young guys is lack of Brain Power and Zero Honor code. This is how I play gran turismo 5. It saves credits, I sell less cars and I guess I'm having a lot more fun then you guys who are just overlapping cars in A-spec. You know you unlock better cars with realistic lap times. The RPG of Racing. Pay attention. Everything matters in GT5.
I totally agree with this post. If you make an effort to match your car with the race, the game is much more competitive and fun. That being said, its a mark against the game that it isn't readily apparent that you have to do that to avoid just demolishing your opponents. In a way, it punishes players for spending money on improving their cars/buying top end vehicles. In the next game, something should be done to encourage players to use vehicles that are appropriate for an event (more then the current loose restrictions)
Sounds to me the writer was just having troubles coping with the challenges and licenses. The AI always does the same thing so it just relies on your skill to adapt to it. Oh, and I just played the Formula Gran Turismo championship and the AI is more aggressive and they even spin off the track too. I'm just saying the AI isn't so scripted to just follow the line on the track all the time. For people saying how easy A-spec is, you can preview what cars and HP your opponents have so you can tune accordingly...don't forget to turn off anti-skid.
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