During our discussion, the executive spoke candidly about the Kinect for Xbox 360 and the Sony PlayStation Move, two gaming peripherals that took a page out of the Nintendo play book, following the runaway success of the Wii's motion controllers.
Dance Central...basically Just Dance for the Kinect...both have done well and actually show off what both the Wii and Kinect can do with proper development and i agree with him that its a waiting game with the Move...but all of that will change once LBP, Socom and KZ come out i also associate Dance Centrals success to the $500 million ad budget...almost every Best Buy commercial for the month of November showed the game off in some way
@MintBerry- Now, this is gunna sound really REALLY crazy but....is it possible that Dance Central is successful because people enjoy playing it?
@tony6767- Even if that were true...you really think Reggie, a man who has admitted that he doesn't play games, cares whether or not there is a product that out Wiis the Wii? All Reggie cares about is two things:
1. Making money
2. Making everyone believe that the Wii is the best thing since Wendy's Frostys.
As far as I can tell, hes doing a damn good job. Reggie cares about the Move as much as Sony cares about Kinect...not much at all. Different products, different audiences. The probability of a person who already has a Wii shelling out $400+ for a PS3/Move bundle is slim to none.
Get out of here with that crazy talk dread! Don't you know that every single game on kinect has sold millions, even fighters uncaged because of the 500 million budget. There is no distinction between good games that people want and bad games. They are all selling because of the marketing. There is absolutely no way that Dance Central, a AA rated game, is any good. No, its all just marketing.
I'm not saying dance central/kinect doesn't deserve its sales or people don't enjoy it (dancing isn't my thing) but a clever $500 ad budget could sell anything.
I must agree. That's an excellent point. (When reading your comment in a non-sarcastic manner, it all makes sense now! :D hahaha) The standards for Kinect games are... different. Don't get too excited.
Seems like a lot of people are still mad that Kinect didn't fall on it's face as they predicted!
You guys are still blaming that 500 million marketing campaign? They said that they were going to treat the Kinect launch like a new console launch, so you knew they were going to stick lots of money into it!
Quit holding on to that marketing budget like a security blanket, because no matter how much money you put into something, no matter how much you put it in people's face... in the end, it's up to the consumer to decide if they feel like a product is worth it! All MS can do is show it and hope people see the possibilities.
Example... I see Taco Bell ads on TV all the time. Some of it looks pretty good. But I always drive right past it when i'm looking for something to eat... just doesn't feel worth it!
I find it funny how everyone says MS spent 500 million on kinect with no proof. Then they act like thats the only reason it was successful. They seem to forget that $ony spent over 5 billion on move and its a flop
Are you kidding me? Isnt anyone here impressed with the fact that this guy actually complimenting the competition in specific ways and not saying something spiteful like many executives do?
@thats_just_prime Proof? There's tons of it. The half billion was even quoted by non-gaming news sites like CNN forever and a day ago. Then you say Sony spent 5 BILLION (?!) on Move? Lmao, do you even know what a billion is? I swear. Some people's children... :p
@thats_jus_prime and @achemki LOL!!!!!!!!
This is ridiculous. Before kinect success, everybody was on microsoft's case about that 500m marketing, claiming it was a waste and they'd never get it back. Now that they've sold 8 million and Kinect titles are actually SELLING, everybody is all 500m budget this, 500m can sell that...it is getting tiring. Just face it fanboys, kinect is a success and you going on and on and on about the marketing only sheds light on how lame Sony's marketing strategy is
calm down child...you have a problem with statement... where is Captain Hindsight when you need him lol...fanboy, really? just calm down, i actually said that the ad budget is a success, lol
No, you said that Dance Central's success is because of the ad budget. There's a difference...
learn to read "both have done well and actually show off what both the Wii and Kinect can do with proper development " "i ALSO associate Dance Centrals success to the $500 million ad budget...almost every Best Buy commercial for the month of November showed the game off in some way" are you that blind or just too stubborn to admit that you are wrong...and i dont get why you are fighting this when in FACT the ad budget helped this game sell...all the kiosks and commercials? and you're gonna tell me that i just think its the ad budget...the ad $ helped, but it being a good game only made it a bigger success man up and quit whining
mint berry crunch you are my hero!
"where is Captain Hindsight when you need him" -MintBerryCrunch Hahaha! Bubbles for you. You know what i like.
Reggie is a genius...plain and simple. Their motto " more fun for less money " absolutely killed the competition this gen and still is several years later.
As for these fanboys claiming the M$ budget has helped Kinect sell...well duh...you clowns get the " no shit Sherlock " award. If you don't advertise, how will anyone know it exists???
Dance central may not be a perfect game, no game is, but the game shows why Kinect is better and offers something the others are not offering...full body motion control.
Kinect is a runaway hit because the price point is right, in combination with Xbox 360 S. Also, over the holidays many family and friends get together to celebrate and this is where motion controls like Kinect really shine. Word of mouth is the best endorsement and Kinect has become the new hot gadget to have...no controllers needed.
Now...is this the best thing to happen...Maybe. I would like to see some more investment in the " hardcore " gaming department but as long as casual gamers continue to spend a boat load of money on these types of games, you will see alot more of them.
No need to panic YET...but, if you see dance central at the top of XBL most played on line charts, then by all means, start panicking...not gonna happen...I think...O_o
BTW, if you think Reggie has an issue with move...your right. You would be pissed as well if some one ripped off your entire platform...right down to how it looks and then advertise that it's better. M$ to their credit have never stooped to that level. Sony has and continues to show how classless they are with their desperate Kevin BUTTHURT Pew, Pew, Pew inspired commercials.
"You would be pissed as well if some one ripped off your entire platform...right down to how it looks and then advertise that it's better." Like how nintendo ripped off Xavix which released in 2004? http://www.youtube.com/watc...
"M$ to their credit have never stooped to that level." Wow ..another attempt to rewrite history ..you should really look at what microsft has done in the past in order to crush their oppponents ..
@room414 LOL Have you seen that video you self? Xavix was designed by former Nintendo employees... Now I wonder where they got their ideas from?
haha dance central just use contours...just like the Ps eye can do that...
@fooltheman: You're over simplifying it... or downright lying. The Eye cannot sense depth. The Kinect uses a specialized infrared array to sense depth. Kinect can do things the Eye simply cannot without the Move... and even then, it can only track a single point in three dimensions.
@neutralgamer Do you have a link that proves xavix was designed by former nintendo employees or are you just going by some nintendo fanboys youtube comment?
http://ultimateconsoledatab... Here is the link and a quote from it: "A new game system from former Nintendo programmers and engineers." Heres another link: http://www.signonsandiego.c... And the quote: "Nakanishi and the other founders worked at Nintendo during the Nintendo Entertainment System days in the 1980s. The NES system was originally intended to be more than a gaming system, Nakanishi said. But the first non-game programs were unsuccessful, and Nintendo soon abandoned them. Xavix will try to pick up where Nintendo left off, he said." I'm not saying who ripped who, I'm just saying that its weird that two VERY reminiscent consoles was designed by two different companies, which once shared the same vision and had ties... Basicly the Xavics guy felt Nintendo was too unsuccesful and tried to go solo, but they should have stayed IMO Also xavixs was released in 2004, but Nintendo already tried to patent the Wii remote back in 2001...
So these guys worked for nintendo in the 80's and founded the company that made xavix in 95. Not sure how anybody could conclude they got their ideas from nintendo then. Also sony has been working on this technology since before 2000 according to digital foundry. http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...
I doubt "everything" will change when LBP, Socom and KZ come out. These concepts have been done before on Wii and are nothing new, whatsoever.
his face looks pissed when he talks about move, hes knows that move is better than wii motion controller
Lol, damage control eh?
But seriously, bragging about Move is so pointless. I would HOPE that a SONY product would be better than NINTENDO'S when it comes out 4 years later......
A Move wasn't better it'd be a catastrophe.
pointless lool its like saying wii its pointless they are the same tech the only the difference its that move its better its a fact ps3= harcore wii= casual shity games
You didn't counter what I said at all, nice.
Anyways, Move is the same tech (except better of course), but the difference is between the game. Move isn't be utilized the same ways the Wiimote is. The PS3 has no game like Red Steel 2 or MadWorld, for instance. You guys are stuck with sports games and a few shooters that support it, while the Wii has a much wider variety of genres/concepts.
Casual shitty games? Like:
Man Hunt 2
Silent Hill Shattered Memories
No More Hereos 2
Metroid Other M
Red Steel 2
Monster Hunter 3
Metroid Prime Trilogy
yadayadayada, I could go on forever, you get the point. You only see casual games because that's all you want to see. Any Wii gamer knows that the Wii has a slew of hardcore titles.
hahaha madworld=fail, manhunt 2 on wii=fail silent hill excuse me but one of the biggest fail metroid other m cartoony shitty game red steel= fail etc... lool i can only see casual because i only wanna see casual? all hardcore titles had failed so far. btw wii sucks balls nobody talking about it. did u saw vgas with wii related? no because we dont care about wii its sucks, only good game on wii is galaxy 2 other than that is a fail to impress people and hype the internet. ps3 and 360 is the real gaming this generation and not wii. wii was the best when it launched because of sells but now its going downhill because of the lack of good games .
My only resentment with Nintendo this gen is that they didn't opt for HD, and chose a relatively weak upgrade in hardware. Not implementing HD, is about as bad as Microsoft not including something as standardised as Wi-fi in their early consoles. Otherwise, they have brought out some great exclusives, and to be honest they had to, since most great multiplatform games like Red Dead Redemption and Assassin's Creed are not considered for Wii because of its hardware limitations. The reason people like you see that the Wii library is full of crap, is only because of the unfortunate rise in shovelware overshadowing the great games. You search through all the casual nonsense on Wii and you can find so many great games.
Best part of Tonys post is he just called PS3 a casual console with his complete ignorance... If it is on Wii it is casual. Well COD is on Wii and it is the best selling game on PS3. So what exactly does that say about the PS3 according to him? That it is a casual console.
Hes probably annoyed that Sony shamelessly ripped off his companys design
Except that they didn't...the tech was in development for far longer than the Wii, they simply weren't first to market so now it looks like a copy-cat. Fact remains, however, it works better...so it's an improvement.
You actually believe Sony when they say that.I dont know what to say to you
@above There are videos to support this claim.
It is why he won't identify which Move game is better...they are Wii-type games.
Nintendo said they were shown the Kinect tech years ago (before MS bought into it) and decided that there was too many limitations so they decided it wouldn't be good enough. Now they can't decide which one is better? LOL
Reggie never stated which one is better. He just said that PS Move hasn't found it's killer app yet (which is true), while Kinect has. That's all he said. He didn't say "Kinect is better."
Holy smokes! Look at your disagrees. This site is infested with MS employees now. It's not the first time they troll game sites, but now they have Kinect crusades and office pools to see who does the most good for the company regarding Kinect (look I said it Kinect again and they are pleased). Other than that I can't explain it to you. I know the regulars on N4G or any real gaming site would never be dumb enough to worship Kinect like the comments suggest from these MS drones/employees
OGharry, how do you know it was MS fans? Please look at what you said.. "any real gaming site would never be dumb enough to workship Kinect". So you're saying you "worship" Sony? That is a true fanatic.
Why did the ms employees ignore your comment then? Yours was clearly more against them than his. Maybe just maybe it was the sony fans...cos they don't like hearing that the ps3 move doesn't have a killer app. Holy Smokes batman, your detective skills blow
@ OGharryjoysticks Your delusional
@OGharryjoysticks Fully agree with you there. Just before Kinect was launched there was a sudden influx of accounts that shouted down, reported as trolling any comment that was realistic (negative) of Kinect. I even got a ban and hacked down to one bubble from 5 after a comment in a Kinect article. And funny enough could not get another bubble since that... And funny how the disagree percentages on XB360 articles suddenly swinged. It is as if 70% of the site suddenly became pro-XB360 mad-as-hell fanboy bots. Kinda suspicious I would say. Yep - agree fully with you.
Nintendo President really says: "I hate both. I hate 360 fans and PS3 fans. You can all go die" And that was "the truth behind the presidents" by Charlie Murray
"Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery......"
Microsoft has proven that in the video games industry you can really buy success which they have almost everything the have now was not earned the traditional way but bought that's dishonorable in my book and that's a very scary thing to know any company can come into the gaming market and bully their way in a throw money at anybody for anything and gather fan boys to defend it and they know in their hearts its wrong. kinect would not have went anywhere if it wasn't for that insane budget i mean really who does that who has ever done something that bold in the games industry to sell there product no my friends that success is 100% bought so i have no respect for them still and never will.
So basically Reggie is saying Kinect only has one good game and Move has good games in general. Meaning Move's games are all descent? There you have it guys, a pretty easy way of saying Move is more interesting than Kinect...then again He could just be saying that because Move is similar to the Wii and he's gonna support that style of motion control more because he's the President of America for the Wii. Oh well, IMO think Kinect and move are unique, but I'll definitely choose the move over Kinect any day. What am I really buying a Kinect for? to watch movies on my Xbox that makes a lot of noise? So I can be lazy and not have to use a remote? or maybe so I can just tell my Xbox to play a movie? I think not, I want quality games and right now, Kinect has none aside from maybe DC. I don't know about the rest of you all but if you want MS to take Kinect and make games for the core gamers then we need to speak up! Otherwise, we're gonna keep getting some childish non-innovative games.
and people say 'oh but it will have KZ and LBP... wow, 2 games. its still shit. i wouldnt buy move for 2 games. wii has a library of classics. sony turned up to the motion party late, all the drink had been drank, all the food ate, ps3 owners were left the scrapings
BUT IT IS 4D!!!!!!!!
plus, KZ and LBP wont be doing anything revolutionary, it won't be doing anything that the wii already did 4 years ago. The wii defined motion gaming, when you think motion gaming you think wii. When you think of that kinect sport or move sport (or whatever it is called) you think of wii sport. Because wii sport was revolutionary, nintendo put the template out for how a motion game should be played, and now like a bunch of scavengers, sony and microsoft come along and copy that template. The same can be said of any adventure game that comes out on ps3/360- they will be copying all the methods nintendo showcased in mario galaxy. The same can be said for killzone on move, all it will be doing is going over ground nintendo covered years and years ago with metroid prime 3. So these people talking about the move and its pitiful two games are pathetic, and those two games will be doing nothing new. i know this, you know this, the entire world knows this. That is why the move sucks, and will be nothing more than a wii counterfeit for hd fetishists.
Its all about personal preference. To you Move may be a waste, but to others it might not be. To me its not, I have Sports Champions, Heavy Rain, The Fight, and RE5 that support Move at the moment. I love SC and TF, both awesome games that are fun and extremely accurate at the same time. Something that bothered me with the Wii was the inaccuracy in a lot of games. Also there are a lot more games than LBP 2 and KZ3, which by the way are only COMPATIBLE with Move. This means it is another controller option, not meant to be revolutionary, even though it is since its an accurate motion based way to play a next gen HD shooter. There are also games like Sorcery, Ape Escape, Socom 4, etc... I don't have a complete list, and I'm not going to look for one to prove any points, google can do that for you if your really interested. But I will tell you Move has over 40 titles lined up for it from release to 2011. When it comes down to it its preference and opinion. Sony did not copy Nintendo. They took an idea, innovated it, and made it better. If companies did not do that we wouldn't have consoles, CD's, anything for that matter that we have today. MS Word copied the piece of paper and pen. Those bastards. Do you see how dumb that sounds? Thats the logic your using. If you can't see that Move is an improvement over the Wii Mote, and that Kinect is an improvement over the PSeye, then you are blind, or uninformed, probably the later. Both have flaws, but both have improvements.
Sports Champions- inferior wii sports clone with hd bells and whistles. Heavy Rain- Glorified 'Road Avenger' (see Mega CD game from 2 decades ago) for the hd generation. The Fight- waste of breath. RE5- inferior to the classic RE4 game on wii. Again, now with added hd bells and whistles to make the resolution fetishists say 'wow.' Sony haven't made anything better and they certainly didn't innovate. I think the word you were looking for was- imitate. I'l ignore that comparison between pen and paper and MS Word. Move will NEVER be an improvement on the wii until it has the software to compete! Again, its the ps3 owner mentality that 'its better because the technology is better.' WRONG, that technology means nothing if it is not being put to good use! The wii and its motion tech might be vastly inferior to the ps3/move, but the games are vastly superior. And that is all that matters, the games. Lets not forget that wii games pioneered motion control and paved the way for sony to come along and rip every one of them off, knowing that the formula works. Move is not an improvement. its nothing but an expensive clone with no games.
Clearly you have not played those games, and of course you'll ignore that comparison between Word and the pen and paper, cause you know its what your doing. I suppose I can't clarify any better when you are unable to see what others are saying, so I'll end my comment here.
"OH WII HAS THIS GAME AND THAT GAME AND THAT...." Why is it that only Nintendo first party titles outsell a large majority or third party titles? Most of these games: MadWorld Man Hunt 2 Silent Hill Shattered Memories No More Hereos 2 Metroid Other M Red Steel 2 Monster Hunter 3 Metroid Prime Trilogy that Shok mentioned did not sell as well as Nintendo would have liked, Metroid: Other M, MadWorld, and Red Stell 2 being great examples of this. Don't try to throw out lists if most of the userbase isn't even playing these games in the same light as Nintendo's first party.
So what do sales matter? Oh I guess that matter when it is the Wii. Of course you fanboys are like that. Most of those games outsold a good portion of PS3 games. I mean Wii SIlent Hill outsold PS3 silent hill. Red Steel 2? Ubisoft dropped it. Went from 1 million shipped to only shipping 500k andn not running any ads. If gamers do not know they exist how will they buy it? But it still sold what the developer and publisher wanted it to. Funny how you know more than they do about it 700k for Metroid is a success. Hell that was more than a lot of Sony game Do you really know anything about what you are talking about. Tell you what take an hour to go look up some numbers and come back so you are a bit more educated before you get owned and looking any dumber than you do now
hmm you really need to have hard evidence for what you say... Sony's eclusive games sell always minimum around a million... infamous did..
LOL hard evidence.. Not if you are a gamer you already know. LBP had to be given away and heavily discounted to get its sales. Modnation completely bombed. We are talking about game sales. Sony giving away most of its games doesnt really count. I'm talking about games like Borderlands, Bioshock, Dragon Age, Modnation, 3D dot heroes, Blazblue,Lair, and so many others that bombed on the HD consoles. SD games do not need the sales of HD games to be successful. Try to understand what is being said before you start talking Some Sony owners do support Sony but most do not. Not a single exclusive game from Sony can touch the sales of COD on their own console. Even with bundling 500k-1million in PS3 boxes
Blazblue didn't bomb dude, they made back far more their costs, and their DLC sales for it are a massive success. If you are referring to continuum shift, it was a $40 game at release, made to pretty much sell more DLC.
When did sales start to matter matter again? O right when it is convenient. If we where talking about PS3 it would be a different ztory. I guess Wii>360>PS3.
I honestly see myself getting Move just for KZ3... will there be a special packaged bundle?
What he is trying to say is there are going to be a lot more variety of games on the move vs the kinect because it is similar to the wii ( evolution of their wii motion controller). As for the kinect he can only mention one game because that is the only game that currently works right now, its funny how he focuses on one game of the kinect that just shows the underlying potential of the device itself.
Reggie says: Kinect has only one good game, the rest is crap. Move: all the games are great :P
Hahhahaaaahaaaa Delusion at its best.
I would take a massive lol at kinect but seeing as all that money went into the casual market and not into giving me any reason not to sell my 360 i cant raise a lol.I suppose my ps3 will be getting the share of playtime in 2011.
The president of Nintendo in America should not be saying anything, that can be taken in isolation, in favour of the competition. Doesn't he remember what a slog it was during the Gamecube years? It actually sounds like he's keeping his options open, particularly if Microsoft decide to offer him a job.
Whichever console you prefer, from his persepctive he should have been stressing how the games are not significantly different in content from what the Wii has been doing and that, unlike Microsoft, Nintendo has been committed to its core gamers with the release of Super Mario Galaxy 2 and Donkey Kong Country Returns.
Did he mention if his body was ready?