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Lens of Truth cracks in face of PS3, Mass Effect 2 demo comparison criticism

Multiplatform comparisons of software releases on both the Xbox 360 and PS3 platform have always been a hotly debated topic among gamers, as many argue about the usefulness of measuring changes often undetectable by the average game player. Also in question is the credibility of such comparisons as the vast majority of game players simply do not have the resources at their disposal to verify the findings of these often technical reviews. So it’s interesting to note how these sites handle criticism of their often unverifiable findings. Lens of Truth is one such comparison site that seems to have cracked under the pressure.

Lens of Truth decided to ring in the New Year by getting nasty in response to an article by SMGamers which pointed out that a recent comparison run by their site of the PS3 demo of Bioware’s RPG, Mass Effect 2 versus the Xbox 360 demo version seemed to contradict the findings of Digital Foundry’s comparison of the same PS3 demo versus the 360’s Mass Effect 2...

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Anon19742004d ago

For your consideration an except from an email from LOT staffer, Jason Ryszczyk in regards to the discrepancies between his sites findings and Digital Foundry's. Emphasis is his.

"We (Lens of Truth) are the only site to have the balls to call out these developers for the BETTER OF THE GAMING COMMUNITY."

Biggest2004d ago

That was much ado about nothing. I love the "WE DO WHAT WE WANT!" defense and so does Jason it seems. If Lens of Truth is playing sides in the fanboy war (Just saying you don't isn't enough) they might as well go full retard. Gaming is becoming casual in an extreme sense. The only way to get large groups of followers is to play sides and make the headlines as big as possible. Follow the Fox News model, LoT. You aren't convincing anyone on the PS3 side that you're fair and balanced in your comparisons. I'd prefer if you went extreme with the bias. At least you'd be more entertaining.

For the record: I don't agree with much of anything that Fox News has to say. But I'll be damned if it isn't the most entertaining "news" channel in the world! You can't find crazy like O'Reily, Hannity, and Beck anywhere else in the world.

mac_sparrow2004d ago

Never go full retard. You don't buy that? Ask Sean Penn, 2001, "I Am Sam." Remember? Went full retard, went home empty handed.

zootang2004d ago

I think its now (100%) safe to say that LoT is just a troll site.

CrzyFooL2004d ago

You never go full retard.

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Sarcasm2004d ago (Edited 2004d ago )

It's not just how unprofessional the responses are from LoT, but the continuous unprofessional responses again and again and again by them. They are obviously guilty of something and really don't want to admit it, and even goes as far as saying "Digital Foundry said the PS3 version is inferior." when in COLD HARD FACTS DF just said the PS3 version is DIFFERENT which leaves it up to the people to judge whether it's better or worse. In this case, LoT is hell bent on saying the PS3 version is worse.

Why is it so hard for them to just admit that the PS3 version isn't as bad as they wish it is???

And other naggling issues is when they come up with their conclusions in which their editors pick which version they'd rather choose. Why is it so often that I see them pick "Oh I'd rather play this on the 360 controller because it's best for FPSs" but yet when it comes to fighting games they never give a mention about the better D-Pad on the PS3.

Oh well, I'm wasting my time. The PC version is still the best, while the PS3/360 version are graphically equal in my eyes.

Boody-Bandit2004d ago (Edited 2004d ago )

Been saying it for years and no one seems to listen. Don't rely on lame comparison sites to tell you which version does what. Find out for yourselves. I have yet to see a game look on my displays the way most of them do from these lame comparison sites.

If there are no gameplay differences then there is no reason to bring up differences other than the sake of fueling fanboy horse shit. I always thought LoT was trash and I don't care for any other site that does comparisons either. All of them at one time or another have been caught giving misleading or flat out wrong information.

How pathetic has this industry become that sites like these exist and bungholes like Pachter get paid to give his opinion?

Oh well, back to gaming.
CIAO

Megaton2004d ago

I stopped paying attention to comparisons after I played Ghostbusters on PS3. Comparison sites were knocking that game to the point where you'd think the PS3 version was running on a PS1 engine, when in reality is wasn't bad at all. Slightly inferior? Sure. But I didn't even notice 3/4 of the stuff they were crying about. The typical washed out color palettes and blurred textures you often see on the PS3 side of comparisons tend to be 100% bull as well, from personal experience.

Whether it's bias or just sloppy capturing, I dunno. All I know is that all of these comparison groups have proven to be far too misleading.

JohnnyBadfinger2004d ago

I think the real laughing stock here are both sites and all you gamers who take what they say to the heart.

The gaming media is bullshit...all of it. They hype and hype, bitch and bitch... when in fact each article is only 1 persons opinion.

Just because the media say:
"Halo Reach is amazing" doesnt make it so
"Uncharted is the best franchise on PS3" doesnt make it so.
"Mass Effect 2 on 360 > PS3 Version" or
"Mass Effect 2 on PS3 > 360 Version" make your own mind up... and does it really matter? if you only own 1 of the 2 consoles its not as if you have a choice is it?

It quite clear that SMGamer is predominately a PS3 fanboy site and Lens of Truth is predominately a 360 fanboy site... therefore making both their arguments invalid and hypocritical

ChineseDemocracy2004d ago

People should just enjoy the game. So what if one version performs **slightly** better than the other? Does that affect you in any way? Probably not. Buy the game for your preferred system, and enjoy.

morganfell2004d ago

Well Johnny just because one site is biased doesn't mean they can't be correct. If you look at the central issue that has been indicated clearly twice...the very matter concerning the results put forward by LoT, the fact is they (LoT) are wrong.

Period.

Whether smgamers is pro PS3 has nothing to do with the fact that LoT are wrong and not only wrong but laughably, openly, clearly, and now defiantly wrong. Instead of reexamining their findings, what do they do?

Put it this way. The definition of fanaticism is redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten you aim. And that is exactly the path that LoT is taking.

thats_just_prime2003d ago

The funniest part about all of this is LoT is a crapstation 3 fanboy site. How many time have they fond that the 360 version of the game runs better the the crapstaions3 version then they turn around and make up some bs reason like the crappy graphics on the crapstaton 3 are more artist and name that version the winner

MeanOldman2003d ago

amazing. calling the ps3 crapstation. how you like getting graphically beat by somethin you use that name for. and where are the mods, playing their 360s. cause if anyone had used a name like that for the xbox they would get a restriction guaranteed.

rroded2003d ago (Edited 2003d ago )

cause whenever you see em your gonna lol at their stupid transparent biased trolling for cheap hits XD

@ all the l.o.l alt accounts here gtfo n go back to halo.

gtfo= get the frag out XD

Montrealien2003d ago

This article is the equivilent of of a "Lindsay Lohan out of rehab" in the New York post.

Be proud smgamers.com, be proud...

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DualConsoleOwner2004d ago (Edited 2004d ago )

"another bad year for your site and another year where your biggest story is based on us" -LoT

" your article is BULLSHIT!!!."-LoT

Wow. just wow. LoT is ran by trolls. not surprised.

LoT should not have deleted the comments where people complained about the ME2 comparison.. that was good as admission of guilt.

HolyOrangeCows2004d ago (Edited 2004d ago )

LoT's "look" at Mass Effect 2 was ridiculous. They failed to mention that the PS3 version had spikes up to 45 and rarely dipped below 26, claimed that the 360 was "nearly locked" in a 30fps (nonsense), and only showed slight differences in the face of Shepard (With the Ps3 version having absolutely greatly shifted [for the the better] lighting).

Seriously, those quotes.....lol.
He sounds like your average forum troll. "Teh FACT not opinionz!!!!"

http://www.lensoftruth.com/...
Look at the first and last "roll over" comparison pics.
See anything funny?
The Ps3 version has better lighting AND sharper details on characters.
These details are no less minor than "ZOMG teh scars on Sheeperd!"
But does LOT even MENTION these things? Nope.
LOT mentions whatever is convenient (Whatever makes the PS3 version sound inferior).

UPDATE:
LOL! Look how mods are handing out "well said"s to anyone who speaks ill of SMGamers.
Look @ #8
I'm pretty sure that is the guy from LOT; he's the only liar claiming that SMGamers is "only" discussing LOT.

DaTruth2004d ago

I don't really consider DF to be much better on that front. In the FF13 comparison, it was like it hurt them to admit the PS3 version was so significantly better and they sat around making excuses for the 360 and making up reasons why it could have been done better on 360! They also picked and chose what console's gamebreaking flaws were worse in the Enslaved review, when it should have been left up to the reader to choose.

Although I do consider all the DF articles to be good reads, regardless of my perception of their 360 bias! I really enjoy the technical analysis and technology used, rather than LOT's, it looks better in screenshots approach!

Corepred42004d ago

"Retractions and corrections to an article look terribly UNPROFFESIONAL."

LOL i thought this was funny.

lightningsax2004d ago

"Me fail English? That's unpossible!"

Spenok2004d ago

Ha, agreed. Apparently its unprofessional to be wrong now and again. Oh shit, if thats the case professionalism DOESNT EXIST in out world.

chainer30002004d ago

Bubbles for being the first to point out this ridiculous quote. I laughed out loud when I read it, glad the hilarity wasn't lost on everyone else.

LORD-PHOENIX2004d ago

I stated i dont trust them...any fanboy can make a site to discredit the competition they dont like....it makes you think GET A LIFE.

it happend with vgchartz and LOT is the same run by a bunch of self admitted halo fanatics.

What do they achieve by lying? And people need to understand these are GROWN men, fanboys who read those joke of a sites need to realise that they are ruining the true essence of gaming.even MS basically called out vgchartz (only when it suited them though for years ms let vgchartz spread its propaganda).

LOT you are nothing but a site run by fanboys who are in their 20s and 30s fuc*ing embarassing.

donkeydoo2004d ago (Edited 2004d ago )

Here the comment from Jason, I see nothing wrong with his response. SMG needs to stop focusing on LOT and do something of there own.

Well Darkride another bad year for your site and another year where your biggest story is based on us. My name is Jason from LoT (I dont hide behind screen names) and your latest article has definately gotten to me. Usually I pay no attention to other sites trying to ride our coattails but your recent article has extremely angered me.

First base your article on TRUTHS, We used the DEMO of ME2 on the 360 versus the DEMO of ME2 on the PS3.

Next we tolerate zero criticism of the staff on our site. If you disagree with the outcome we dont care just voice your opinion that way not at us.

Also we have NO FORUM so no comments were deleted, just a troll from invadfing our website.

We also get ZERO DOLLARS from Sony or Microsoft or any game developer or publisher for that matter.WE DONT CARE WHO WINS the H2H we just want the best version for ourselves and our members. THATS IT. Nothing more nothing less.

If you feel the need to bash us like I said we would like to see an article based on the TRUTH. Get off the train you can’t come along for the ride.

Digital Foundry also concluded that the PS3 version is inferior and just said it in a nicer way. So once again your article is BULLSHIT!!!.

If you would like to contact me on this I would love to hear how you can defend yourself on this crap. Like I said if you werent just trying to get hits and the article was based on the TRUTH I would have no issues but this is RIDICULOUS.

Looking forward to your response,

Jason”

Whats so bad with this email? I think this gives LOT more creditability. HEY SMG how about releasing an article of your own..l

Achemki2004d ago (Edited 2004d ago )

@donkeydoo
1)They still avoid the issue, and the questions I raised. That's their lack of credibility. They still don't acknowledge the frame drops in that personal email. I guess if you ignore something long enough, it doesn't exist, right? lol

2) They're wussies if something as tongue-in-cheek parody as 'Lens of Lies' is enough to make them cry.
"People always get mad about stuff that they know deep down is true" --Burn Notice Season 1 finale--

3)They're too inept to even know how to permanently ban somebody, or spell 'professional' lol. I made a new account there 2 weeks ago from the same computer, called it 'Achemki2', just to laugh at how challenged they really are for going through all this "big man" flashing gif posturing when I could post there again RIGHT NOW if I wanted to.

4)They also take a backwards jab at Digital Foundry on the way out..."you would know who DF is funded by. Their results are never posted one way or the other to save face for advertising $$$$."

Classy. Apparently the world is black and white to LOT, "there can only be one", like Thunderdome lol. DF can at least see the greys and acknowledge things like the better 3D framerate on Black Ops for the 360 while also acknowledging that the PS3's 3D maintains a better picture quality with full 720p resolution.

Bozzio2004d ago

@Achemki
You got permabanned, and then they allowed you to make a new account. Then why even ban you?

stuntman_mike2003d ago

@achemki

good to see someone using a Burn Notice quote. lol

pain777pas2004d ago

Who needs lens of truth? Tell me more about what developers do in their day. MAKING GAMES! No hits for your site ever again. I am sick of liars in general. I'm done here.

Prototype2004d ago

The Wii version looks the best!

Traveler2004d ago

I have to say that smgamers seems much more ruled by fanboyism than the site they are attacking.

I love my PS3 the most by far, but I am sick of the fanboyism on this site. I am about ready to leave for good and never come back. You guys can have your completely one-sided circle jerk.

Vherostar2004d ago

Wow LOT is burning like a bridge right now and if it doesn't come out with a full apology statement me thinks its gonna lose so much respect it's not gonna have any respect. It's got owned on 2 occasions and shown for the stuck up fanboyism site it really is. Time and time again they have shown shots that favour one or another console when in reality the game actually looked better on the other console. They really have a way of making games look better on the other console. Reminds me of the early comparison videos on the web where they would stick PS3 vids and say they were 360 lol remember them?

plenty a tool2004d ago

oh look, SMgamers, is non other than our very own darkride66's web-site! couple that with the fact that said darkride is nothing but a shameless sony fanboy, and self-confessed sony nut, then what you have here is the normal idiotic sony fanboy conspiracy.

why is it people that have a blog site think that what they write is all of a sudden important??? and why are you crusaders saying doing when sony themselves dont? or the devs??

perhaps if there was some truth in what you lot write, then the devs themselves mite question this.

a bunch of idiotic sony fanboys on the blogs4fanboys.. get a life you lot

ps: i love the "in response to an article" lol YOUR SITE IS NOTHING BUT BLOGS!!!!!!!!

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units2004d ago (Edited 2004d ago )

PS3 version of Mass Effect 2 is different as opposed to definitive, and while nobody is likely to be disappointed with the game, a direct comparison with the Xbox 360 version suggests that while some elements are improved, others have been downgraded

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

Dante1122004d ago (Edited 2004d ago )

From LOT's email from the article

" Hello Dark

Well Darkride another bad year for your site and another year where your biggest story is based on us. My name is Jason from LoT (I dont hide behind screen names)  and your latest article has definately gotten to me. Usually I pay no attention to other sites trying to ride our coattails but your recent article has extremely angered me."

Lol, he shouldn't let SMGamer or other articles for that matter get to him like that (to the point of being extremely angry). Just dust that stuff off and keep it moving. Cursing and such in the email.

inveni02004d ago

True. The fact that they're getting so defensive makes me more suspicious than if they'd retaliated not at all.

jack_burt0n2004d ago

LOT is facing a pretty rocky year seeing as the only hits they get are from the hardcore MS fanbase trolling, pretty sure Dead Space 2 is superior on ps3 in every regard so another missed opportunity for them.

They are a truly worthless site because without arguing they become completely redundant.

They should rename themselves, in the lens of kinect and measure lag and stuff like that.

Grenadan2004d ago

time to take off the tin foil hat

eggbert2004d ago

and put on the white poncho's AMIRITE?

MAJ0R2004d ago (Edited 2004d ago )

lol +bubbles

on-topic LoT's email is hilarious

mastiffchild2004d ago

Thing is, the worst thing about that Jason fella was his grammar: "are" instead of "our"? REALLY? I won't even touch on the bogawful punctuation from a man talking about journalism. I was surprised at someone firing off a couple of angry emails with such poor syntax as it just leaves you open or them to reprint and allow the world to see a professional writer who cannot write properly.

Anyway, my opinion of LoT and DF remains unchanged-we do NOT need any comparison sites. The fact is most multiplats(nearly every one) is aimed at parity between the console versions rather than competing with the best looking and best running games on either platform and as a result all we're likely to find are tiny differences that prove nothing about the strength of either console. Most of ther time if they find a winner I'd challenge anyone to have noticed them in normal everyday gaming-0you know where we play ALL our games> Christ they use programs to find screen tear! Why? If you can't see it with games slowed down and running side by side don't you think we , at home, might just miss it too?

Sadly, these sites seem to appeal for some reason I can't quite grasp and it's in their interest to find differences and winners and losers whenever they can-if every port result was a draw then people wouldn't ever read. Because of this there's a very real tendency to over state results so when there's a small difference it's blown out of proportion and when there's a problem we actually might notice ourselves(like with Bayonetta-even though it wasn't that much anyway)it's like they found life on Mars!!

Truth be told, as a multiple platform gamer I've only found the need ONCE to change from PS3 to 360 because a port was THAT bad it over rode my controller preference-and that was as far back as TOB!! Sure, there have been games(G'busters, Bayonetta) since where the 360 version was slightly better than the PS3 one but the differences didn't hurt the games and subsequent patches made said gap even more negligible. However, the occasions are so rare and as they are easy enough to spot by using your eyes(which we use to game with)I'm sure the normal game media would spot them at review ANYWAY.

So, what IS the need for DF/LoT? Seriously, if it's to find differences we can't see ourselves then just why are we reading, much less caring?

gamer20102004d ago

Speak for yourself. The comparisons are helpful to me, especially those times when I don't have the ability to compare both versions for myself. I always prefer to get the better-looking or better-performing versions. I don't have a strong controller preference and I have plenty of friends on both consoles.

You on the other hand are clearly a biased fanboy. You go out of your way to buy every game on the PS3. So it's no wonder a person such as you would want to convince themselves that there is really no difference, even though deep down you probably know it's not true.

I bought Castlevania for the PS3 because it had a slightly better framerate even though everything else was the same. But the differences are usually much, much greater than that. Castlevania was an unusually close multiplatform game.

You are fooling yourself if you believe that there is hardly any difference worth noting. If that were true then we shouldn't care about Blu-ray over DVD. The differences we often see in multiplatform games often has a greater impact on your visual experience of a game than the difference between Blu-ray and DVD.

Just because these sites use tools to quantify things like screen tearing or frame rate doesn't mean that they aren't easily perceived by the naked eye. Right off the bat I could tell that Mass Effect 2 stuttered much more and had screen tearing on the PS3. I didn't need anybody to demonstrate it with formal measurements.

But having actual measurements from a good cross section of each version of a game is useful to me in many cases because it gives me a pretty good idea how each version will perform. Demos as we know are not always available for every game.

It's clear to me that many of you fanboys take this stuff way too seriously and are actually insulted by these comparisons. It's like a dagger to the heart of every fanboy each time their precious console "loses" a comparison. When in reality they are just a useful tool for those of us that care.

I will never understand why those of you who are so injured by cross platform comparisons don't simply avoid reading them. It seems the most sensible answer to me. That way those that appreciate the comparisons can continue to benefit from them, while the sensitive fanboys can pretend they don't exist.

Karlnag32003d ago

dude did you even LOOK at the 360 version of castlevania? if you did then YOU are the one that is fooling yourself, because those differences weren't minor. No way. They were blindingly obvious at a mere glance.

the deele2004d ago

Dead Space 2 is pretty much the same on both systems.

http://www.eurogamer.net/di...

despair2004d ago

Don't care, just spent 5 mins reading the back and forth between these guys but bottom line is until retail release and I see how it looks personally it won't matter who says what and who thinks theirs is bigger.

I played the PS3 demo and it looked good, not near the PC version but still good. Haven't played the X360 version but unless a Bayonetta level catastrophe happens it will be fine for PS3 owners. I agree that devs need to be called out on crappy ports but I did not see what the big deal was from the demo.

mastiffchild2004d ago

Oh, God, I'd forgotten what they were arguing about was two bloody demos, lol!!

Anyway, don't you agree that any site would spot a truly bad port? Anything that could actually affect your gaming pleasure would easily be seen by the likes of IGN ,for example, so why the need for dedicated sites?

I really don't like this culture of nitpicking that seemingly supports a host of dubious sites finding things that, by and large, we'd never notice or not be able to see anyway.I reckon it's time to admit that multiplats just try to look the same but aren't ever likely to be identical because the machines are different. They prove nothing, aren't optimised for either console and the sites reporting these discretions really need to find something meatier to investigate.

With the user bases of the two HD consoles so similar in size I really can't see multi plat devs risking losing half their market by making either version better in an obvious manner anyway and the odd screw up is going to be found out if LoT exist or not.

Just stop thinking about these sites and maybe they, and the fanboy arguments they exist to fuel, will go away. Perhaps that would give some of their staff time to actually write like proper journalists too.