Multiplatform comparisons of software releases on both the Xbox 360 and PS3 platform have always been a hotly debated topic among gamers, as many argue about the usefulness of measuring changes often undetectable by the average game player. Also in question is the credibility of such comparisons as the vast majority of game players simply do not have the resources at their disposal to verify the findings of these often technical reviews. So it’s interesting to note how these sites handle criticism of their often unverifiable findings. Lens of Truth is one such comparison site that seems to have cracked under the pressure.
Lens of Truth decided to ring in the New Year by getting nasty in response to an article by SMGamers which pointed out that a recent comparison run by their site of the PS3 demo of Bioware’s RPG, Mass Effect 2 versus the Xbox 360 demo version seemed to contradict the findings of Digital Foundry’s comparison of the same PS3 demo versus the 360’s Mass Effect 2...
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"We (Lens of Truth) are the only site to have the balls to call out these developers for the BETTER OF THE GAMING COMMUNITY."
For the record: I don't agree with much of anything that Fox News has to say. But I'll be damned if it isn't the most entertaining "news" channel in the world! You can't find crazy like O'Reily, Hannity, and Beck anywhere else in the world.
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Why is it so hard for them to just admit that the PS3 version isn't as bad as they wish it is???
And other naggling issues is when they come up with their conclusions in which their editors pick which version they'd rather choose. Why is it so often that I see them pick "Oh I'd rather play this on the 360 controller because it's best for FPSs" but yet when it comes to fighting games they never give a mention about the better D-Pad on the PS3.
Oh well, I'm wasting my time. The PC version is still the best, while the PS3/360 version are graphically equal in my eyes.
If there are no gameplay differences then there is no reason to bring up differences other than the sake of fueling fanboy horse shit. I always thought LoT was trash and I don't care for any other site that does comparisons either. All of them at one time or another have been caught giving misleading or flat out wrong information.
How pathetic has this industry become that sites like these exist and bungholes like Pachter get paid to give his opinion?
Oh well, back to gaming.
CIAO
Whether it's bias or just sloppy capturing, I dunno. All I know is that all of these comparison groups have proven to be far too misleading.
The gaming media is bullshit...all of it. They hype and hype, bitch and bitch... when in fact each article is only 1 persons opinion.
Just because the media say:
"Halo Reach is amazing" doesnt make it so
"Uncharted is the best franchise on PS3" doesnt make it so.
"Mass Effect 2 on 360 > PS3 Version" or
"Mass Effect 2 on PS3 > 360 Version" make your own mind up... and does it really matter? if you only own 1 of the 2 consoles its not as if you have a choice is it?
It quite clear that SMGamer is predominately a PS3 fanboy site and Lens of Truth is predominately a 360 fanboy site... therefore making both their arguments invalid and hypocritical
Period.
Whether smgamers is pro PS3 has nothing to do with the fact that LoT are wrong and not only wrong but laughably, openly, clearly, and now defiantly wrong. Instead of reexamining their findings, what do they do?
Put it this way. The definition of fanaticism is redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten you aim. And that is exactly the path that LoT is taking.
cause whenever you see em your gonna lol at their stupid transparent biased trolling for cheap hits XD
@ all the l.o.l alt accounts here gtfo n go back to halo.
gtfo= get the frag out XD
Be proud smgamers.com, be proud...
"another bad year for your site and another year where your biggest story is based on us" -LoT
" your article is BULLSHIT!!!."-LoT
Wow. just wow. LoT is ran by trolls. not surprised.
LoT should not have deleted the comments where people complained about the ME2 comparison.. that was good as admission of guilt.
Seriously, those quotes.....lol.
He sounds like your average forum troll. "Teh FACT not opinionz!!!!"
http://www.lensoftruth.com/...
Look at the first and last "roll over" comparison pics.
See anything funny?
The Ps3 version has better lighting AND sharper details on characters.
These details are no less minor than "ZOMG teh scars on Sheeperd!"
But does LOT even MENTION these things? Nope.
LOT mentions whatever is convenient (Whatever makes the PS3 version sound inferior).
UPDATE:
LOL! Look how mods are handing out "well said"s to anyone who speaks ill of SMGamers.
Look @ #8
I'm pretty sure that is the guy from LOT; he's the only liar claiming that SMGamers is "only" discussing LOT.
Although I do consider all the DF articles to be good reads, regardless of my perception of their 360 bias! I really enjoy the technical analysis and technology used, rather than LOT's, it looks better in screenshots approach!
LOL i thought this was funny.
I stated i dont trust them...any fanboy can make a site to discredit the competition they dont like....it makes you think GET A LIFE.
it happend with vgchartz and LOT is the same run by a bunch of self admitted halo fanatics.
What do they achieve by lying? And people need to understand these are GROWN men, fanboys who read those joke of a sites need to realise that they are ruining the true essence of gaming.even MS basically called out vgchartz (only when it suited them though for years ms let vgchartz spread its propaganda).
LOT you are nothing but a site run by fanboys who are in their 20s and 30s fuc*ing embarassing.
Well Darkride another bad year for your site and another year where your biggest story is based on us. My name is Jason from LoT (I dont hide behind screen names) and your latest article has definately gotten to me. Usually I pay no attention to other sites trying to ride our coattails but your recent article has extremely angered me.
First base your article on TRUTHS, We used the DEMO of ME2 on the 360 versus the DEMO of ME2 on the PS3.
Next we tolerate zero criticism of the staff on our site. If you disagree with the outcome we dont care just voice your opinion that way not at us.
Also we have NO FORUM so no comments were deleted, just a troll from invadfing our website.
We also get ZERO DOLLARS from Sony or Microsoft or any game developer or publisher for that matter.WE DONT CARE WHO WINS the H2H we just want the best version for ourselves and our members. THATS IT. Nothing more nothing less.
If you feel the need to bash us like I said we would like to see an article based on the TRUTH. Get off the train you can’t come along for the ride.
Digital Foundry also concluded that the PS3 version is inferior and just said it in a nicer way. So once again your article is BULLSHIT!!!.
If you would like to contact me on this I would love to hear how you can defend yourself on this crap. Like I said if you werent just trying to get hits and the article was based on the TRUTH I would have no issues but this is RIDICULOUS.
Looking forward to your response,
Jason”
Whats so bad with this email? I think this gives LOT more creditability. HEY SMG how about releasing an article of your own..l
1)They still avoid the issue, and the questions I raised. That's their lack of credibility. They still don't acknowledge the frame drops in that personal email. I guess if you ignore something long enough, it doesn't exist, right? lol
2) They're wussies if something as tongue-in-cheek parody as 'Lens of Lies' is enough to make them cry.
"People always get mad about stuff that they know deep down is true" --Burn Notice Season 1 finale--
3)They're too inept to even know how to permanently ban somebody, or spell 'professional' lol. I made a new account there 2 weeks ago from the same computer, called it 'Achemki2', just to laugh at how challenged they really are for going through all this "big man" flashing gif posturing when I could post there again RIGHT NOW if I wanted to.
4)They also take a backwards jab at Digital Foundry on the way out..."you would know who DF is funded by. Their results are never posted one way or the other to save face for advertising $$$$."
Classy. Apparently the world is black and white to LOT, "there can only be one", like Thunderdome lol. DF can at least see the greys and acknowledge things like the better 3D framerate on Black Ops for the 360 while also acknowledging that the PS3's 3D maintains a better picture quality with full 720p resolution.
You got permabanned, and then they allowed you to make a new account. Then why even ban you?
good to see someone using a Burn Notice quote. lol
I love my PS3 the most by far, but I am sick of the fanboyism on this site. I am about ready to leave for good and never come back. You guys can have your completely one-sided circle jerk.
why is it people that have a blog site think that what they write is all of a sudden important??? and why are you crusaders saying doing when sony themselves dont? or the devs??
perhaps if there was some truth in what you lot write, then the devs themselves mite question this.
a bunch of idiotic sony fanboys on the blogs4fanboys.. get a life you lot
ps: i love the "in response to an article" lol YOUR SITE IS NOTHING BUT BLOGS!!!!!!!!
PS3 version of Mass Effect 2 is different as opposed to definitive, and while nobody is likely to be disappointed with the game, a direct comparison with the Xbox 360 version suggests that while some elements are improved, others have been downgraded
http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...
" Hello Dark
Well Darkride another bad year for your site and another year where your biggest story is based on us. My name is Jason from LoT (I dont hide behind screen names) and your latest article has definately gotten to me. Usually I pay no attention to other sites trying to ride our coattails but your recent article has extremely angered me."
Lol, he shouldn't let SMGamer or other articles for that matter get to him like that (to the point of being extremely angry). Just dust that stuff off and keep it moving. Cursing and such in the email.
They are a truly worthless site because without arguing they become completely redundant.
They should rename themselves, in the lens of kinect and measure lag and stuff like that.
on-topic LoT's email is hilarious
Anyway, my opinion of LoT and DF remains unchanged-we do NOT need any comparison sites. The fact is most multiplats(nearly every one) is aimed at parity between the console versions rather than competing with the best looking and best running games on either platform and as a result all we're likely to find are tiny differences that prove nothing about the strength of either console. Most of ther time if they find a winner I'd challenge anyone to have noticed them in normal everyday gaming-0you know where we play ALL our games> Christ they use programs to find screen tear! Why? If you can't see it with games slowed down and running side by side don't you think we , at home, might just miss it too?
Sadly, these sites seem to appeal for some reason I can't quite grasp and it's in their interest to find differences and winners and losers whenever they can-if every port result was a draw then people wouldn't ever read. Because of this there's a very real tendency to over state results so when there's a small difference it's blown out of proportion and when there's a problem we actually might notice ourselves(like with Bayonetta-even though it wasn't that much anyway)it's like they found life on Mars!!
Truth be told, as a multiple platform gamer I've only found the need ONCE to change from PS3 to 360 because a port was THAT bad it over rode my controller preference-and that was as far back as TOB!! Sure, there have been games(G'busters, Bayonetta) since where the 360 version was slightly better than the PS3 one but the differences didn't hurt the games and subsequent patches made said gap even more negligible. However, the occasions are so rare and as they are easy enough to spot by using your eyes(which we use to game with)I'm sure the normal game media would spot them at review ANYWAY.
So, what IS the need for DF/LoT? Seriously, if it's to find differences we can't see ourselves then just why are we reading, much less caring?
You on the other hand are clearly a biased fanboy. You go out of your way to buy every game on the PS3. So it's no wonder a person such as you would want to convince themselves that there is really no difference, even though deep down you probably know it's not true.
I bought Castlevania for the PS3 because it had a slightly better framerate even though everything else was the same. But the differences are usually much, much greater than that. Castlevania was an unusually close multiplatform game.
You are fooling yourself if you believe that there is hardly any difference worth noting. If that were true then we shouldn't care about Blu-ray over DVD. The differences we often see in multiplatform games often has a greater impact on your visual experience of a game than the difference between Blu-ray and DVD.
Just because these sites use tools to quantify things like screen tearing or frame rate doesn't mean that they aren't easily perceived by the naked eye. Right off the bat I could tell that Mass Effect 2 stuttered much more and had screen tearing on the PS3. I didn't need anybody to demonstrate it with formal measurements.
But having actual measurements from a good cross section of each version of a game is useful to me in many cases because it gives me a pretty good idea how each version will perform. Demos as we know are not always available for every game.
It's clear to me that many of you fanboys take this stuff way too seriously and are actually insulted by these comparisons. It's like a dagger to the heart of every fanboy each time their precious console "loses" a comparison. When in reality they are just a useful tool for those of us that care.
I will never understand why those of you who are so injured by cross platform comparisons don't simply avoid reading them. It seems the most sensible answer to me. That way those that appreciate the comparisons can continue to benefit from them, while the sensitive fanboys can pretend they don't exist.
http://www.eurogamer.net/di...
I played the PS3 demo and it looked good, not near the PC version but still good. Haven't played the X360 version but unless a Bayonetta level catastrophe happens it will be fine for PS3 owners. I agree that devs need to be called out on crappy ports but I did not see what the big deal was from the demo.
Anyway, don't you agree that any site would spot a truly bad port? Anything that could actually affect your gaming pleasure would easily be seen by the likes of IGN ,for example, so why the need for dedicated sites?
I really don't like this culture of nitpicking that seemingly supports a host of dubious sites finding things that, by and large, we'd never notice or not be able to see anyway.I reckon it's time to admit that multiplats just try to look the same but aren't ever likely to be identical because the machines are different. They prove nothing, aren't optimised for either console and the sites reporting these discretions really need to find something meatier to investigate.
With the user bases of the two HD consoles so similar in size I really can't see multi plat devs risking losing half their market by making either version better in an obvious manner anyway and the odd screw up is going to be found out if LoT exist or not.
Just stop thinking about these sites and maybe they, and the fanboy arguments they exist to fuel, will go away. Perhaps that would give some of their staff time to actually write like proper journalists too.
I honestly cannot wait for MGS Rising to come out and see all the BS journalist will cook up to favor one console over another. But hey, lets forget MGS4 why dont we.
They look like a bunch of tools that are in love with LoT. How sad. SMGamers actually has a "TAG" for Lens of Truth on their site. You gotta be kidding me man.
HOW MANY ARTICLES CAN YOU WRITE ABOUT ANOTHER WEB-SITE? Jesus dude! Get off their nuts! You look pathetic.
With the amount of flamebait and unprofessional pieces from practically every SITE that comes though N4G. A little soap-drama from a different channel would serve at least with some variety.
-End of Line
Typical crap where they can't accept that their precious console got the worse version of a multiplatform game so they start lashing out at other sites or people.
Know what? I played both versions of the demo and the 360 version is clearly superior. The PS3 version stutters way more and has quite a bit of screen tearing, otherwise the graphics are nearly identical. Get over it.
Just because this fanboy knows how to play the fanboys on N4G (which comprise around 95% of the userbase) doesn't make him right. He is just another biased fool who knows all the right things to say to the fanboys on N4G in order to whip them into a frenzy to serve his ends.
it reads like two butthurt fanboys, because SMgamers is run by Darkride66, a known sony fanboy!!
thats why we have this rubbish, and darkride66's continous attempts at positive action in the console wars...lol
so sad
Now, this LoT crap...I'm inclined to believe that yeah, they do favor the 360.
They should be more objective...or they get what they're getting right now.
I played the 360 version to completion. And if the PS3 version has removed/reworked the horrible resource farming....it'll be far ahead on that alone!
Come to think of it, you should wish for a game that hits UC1 quality before you wish for UC2 or 3. Baby steps my friend.
He`s not kidding it would be on 4-6 disks. No joke.
You are calling the ps3 guys fanboys? You basically have just had a big cry because people dont have the same opinion as you. Geez man, harden up a bit.
Just because people like Jazz don't want to face reality doesn't make it any less true. Sometimes you just have to man up my friend.
Life lessons.
What's funny is that he says he is done with this site. All I have to say to Jazz is don't let the door hit you where the good lord split you. But we all know he isn't going anywhere.
This site is comedy sometimes.
if you want uncharted stop being cheap and get a ps3 with lot of exclusives coming in 2011 it's going to be a wallet breaking year
SMGamers are the ones who need to stop it. First they write an article on the hint of biased that LoT gave off. Then they write an article based on an e-mail that LoT sends them.
Also why are people so upset and pointing out the e-mails grammar problem?? This obviously looks like a private e-mail. Its not like he was writing this for his website or for the public. LoT (Jason) was probably expecting an e-mail back, but he gets an article in return.
I don't know whether LoT really is biased but from this article I think its safe for me to say that SMGamers are trolls. This is going back and forth.
What will LoT do will they give in and fight, or shake it off?
FIND OUT ON THE NEXT EPISODE OF: "WHEN TROLLS ATTACK"
All I know is that I will be getting Mass Effect 2 when it comes out on the PS3.
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Thanks for opening the flood gate. Known Lens of Truth accounts are as follows;
sam.i.am
donkeydoo
rightdare
tempjf
soul train
rudesole devil
baron79
fiore3dartist
the_smoking_alien
hackersdelight
JohnDunBar
Fancy Lady
You can go ahead and disagree 10 times, which is usually the case when LOT is called out and want everyone to disagree, but a 13 year old girl can out think you. I bet other people can add to this list. And calling me out on my age in PM is pretty creepy. Nail in the coffin +2.
You guys just got destroyed by a 13 year old girl.
Bozzio +1 that was great.
i'm guessing not very many, if at all, since the ME2 comparisons were spot-on. i've seen the PS3 screenshots, i've played the demo. 100% accurate.
as far as performance? i saw a *lot* of screen tearing compounded with constant FPS drops and stuttering during cutscenes. major problems that existed in dragon age for PS3, which they refuse(d) to fix despite the public outcry.
There goes the need for fanboy sites. Nobody normal gives a shit about them.
and all SMG did was call LoT's article into question. The fact that Jason responded the way he did not only shows his asspain, it also shows that he believes he can talk to anyone anyway he wants just because people believe their site without question. Overall, I've seen enough and will not be going to Lens of Truth anymore since their staff wants to act like spoiled brats.
I don't really care about SMG's reputation nor LoT, but you better be damned sure if someone sent an email criticizing the hell out of something like IGN, GiantBomb, Metacritic, they at least respond in a professional manner.
I've actually had that happened when I criticized Mark from Metacritic, sure he could have nerd raged like this Jason from LoT, but no he was professional and responded properly which diffused the situation and criticism, which IMO earns him high praise.
LoT = unprofessional
That's one cool article to read. It seems to me that LOT's staff (Jason) was really mad and his response was so unprofessional!
Now how about we forget all about LOT's BS and the rest of those pixel counting and comparison and enjoy the game.
Your lack of professionalism in regards to fact checking and communication with others just to defend a DEMO is kind of sad.
I like LoT. I look forward to their comparisons and reviews. But what you have shown on your site is a sad rant about nothing.
Lens of Truth's (Lies') response by Jason is possibly the most unprofessional correspondence I have read between two people in a business. He even stated, " Truthfully one of our staff members is the biggest PS3 fanboy" - does that mean he is the oddball, and everyone else is not?
It doesn't matter, by his own admission his site is incapable of producing unbiased results from their findings. These guys should just make their site a TAB on Microsoft.com or something.
Jason's tone and attitude are offensive and distasteful, and he 's not even talking to me, lol. He is a shrewd jerk who possible needs an ass whooping. He seems like one of those guys who hide behind a keyboard to talk tough.
Lens of Lies, the greatest name to ever stick to this site, now and forever. They may as well go with the flow and rename it. They should also permaban that idiot Jason from commenting to anyone ever again under the site's name.
The least Jason could do, if he is going to PRETEND to be a "PROFFESIONAL" (in all CAPS I may add), is learn to spell the word right or use spell check when he is supposed to represent himself and his company/site, while engaging another "professional" in the business. That is like being a Vackume salesman who can't spell Vacuum.
nothing new here. same old nonsense
thank christ everyone finally knows their true colours.
"oh noez, teh port of "Obscure Multplatform Game 3" that noone cares about haz 3 less framez and 3 seconds longer loading screen"
i have no time for their tedious bs, just play the game yourself and draw your own conclusions.
graphics aint evrything, Minecraft looks like a NES game but probably the most fun original game ive played... well... ever tbh.
Is a garbage site. It should just be blacklisted from N4G. Along with attackofthefanboy.com. Remember that Fallout New Vegas review that they did over at aotf.com? It was a fake mocked up review that took them 20 minutes to make.
LoT's owner is hilariously dumb, and it's great seeing a grown man act like a baby. =]