Warner Home Video president Ron Sanders says the studio will continue to release films on Blu-ray and HD DVD high-def discs.
At least for now...
i wonder what that "Atleast for now" means????
well in a fight some one has to lose right? so "at least for now" probably just means until one completely eclipses the other in sales and its no longer profitable to make the other.
yeah that really doesnt sound like they will stay gray for long.
Warner will soon choose HDDVD. With HDDVD having more interactive features and a more attractive pricepoint to consumers HDDVD sales are sure to spike this Holiday season.
Especially with players that will be starting at just $199. One must also note that China has just adopted "CH-DVD" as their standard which is compatible with HDDVD.
With the most interactive features, a consumer friendly starting price, soon to be released 51 GB disks, and Blockbuster movies such as The Bourne Ultimatum and Transformers being HDDVD exclusive. Consumers will speak with their wallets this holiday and surely pick HDDVD.
After all why pay more money for the same quality??
You're kidding right? Blu-ray has a much bigger base! Many many companies are behind them. Like number 4 says. 300 is a great exampel to see which one is winning...
Don’t forget that the movie ‘300’ will be included with every new Toshiba HD DVD player… and that does count as a sale for Warner Bros.
200 Dollars is still way too much for the casual market.
The casual market for dvd players are 50-75 dollars.
By the time the 200 dollar plays comes out there will be a 250 cheapo blu-ray player. After all both players use similar blue lasers.
The price advantage of hd-dvd is shrinking month after month.
Shopping for electronics is a very picky topic, whether your married or not. Brand named electronics play a big roll, paying 200 dollars for a no name brand electronic will not sell as much as you might think. We will only see a surge in sales for stand alone players when BIG brands like sony, toshiba, panasonic, samsung, lg, sharp, phillips, jvc etc come out with players that have a price range of 75-125 dollars.
Ppl focus on brand first when it comes to electronics, then they climb down the ladder to which brand offers best PERCIEVED value.
this is what happened in the betamax vs vhs war. VHs won because it had more electronic companies backing up the format, added to that more recorders out there.
BDA is currently building MORE relationships with electronic companies to build players and pc recordable drives.
as for you quality comment... most blu-ray discs have uncompressed sound, and it has a great impact on the soundstage. Sorry but I've gone speaker shopping and electronic stores ALWAYS demonstrate the blu-ray player sound over the hd-dvd sound.
Bloodmask to bad that 90% of all the movies sold in china are pirates lol
and hd dvd will not win the war i bet my 3000 euros pc in that ... in europe hd dvd almost dont exist and blu ray is outselling hd dvd in america 2 to 1 and 6 to 1 in japan ...
dude you hd dvd lovers have been saying since last year that blu ray would be death by now but i dont see nothing ( yeahh blu ray lovers have been saying the same ) but the fact is that blu ray is winning and hd dvd not
a $200 Blu Ray BenQ PC drive was already annouced.
The $199 players aren't going to help as much as you may think. The fact that its an off brand ensures it won't sell too great. There is a reason that Venture is an off brand and Sony and Toshiba are name brand. People prefer to pay a bit more for a brand name and have quality than save money and get something poorly made that may not even work in a year. Its always been this way and probably always will.
There is no doubt that Warner will go Blu,HDDVD don't sale because of the miserable hddvd installed base;compare the sale of the DEPARTED and 300 on both format and you'll see that Warner sells a lot more on Bluray than the dying hddvd
But Warner have sold more planet earth on HD DVD so far, things are still close considering the amount of people yet to join the HD Market.
since you usually side with a format thats winning this format war.
means Warner is probably waiting until how sales look this Xmas. BD isn't doing how they should be doing but the HDM war can be tipped to either side. If Warner did go exclusive to HD DVD (most likely) than see how studios from the competing side lose exclusivity and go neutral or switch camps completely. I don't think the world was ready for BD, especially BDA and Sony. BD player costs are too high (for the average consumer), BD manufacturing costs are too high, BD yield ratios aren't doing so great, the list goes on. I'm all for neutrality but it's clear that after this Xmas07 season something's bound to change and I have a strong feeling that HD DVD will come out victor this season due to pricing alone.
To above posters:
- Larger player base is true, estimated to be 4-10 times larger yet I've got to ask, why only software sales advantage of 1.5:1? That screams out that PS3 isn't the BD spearhead Sony preached it to be. And with rumors, like Denon mentioning their fear of current BD players not being able to take full advantage of the long overdue 1.1 profile (as well as the eventual 2.0) means a lot of initial buyers will get shafted. PS3 still reigns as the 'best' BD player on the market but it does very little as far as expected software sales.
- fx35, I've asked in another thread to show proof that HD DVD is dieing, because if you think it is, than BD is dieing too.
- Preaching victory now is like winning game 1 of the playoffs and celebrating the championship.
- Darkie, totally agree. If all studios became neutral the audio and video should be identical. Offer the blu boys extra content on disk that can be had on HD DVD disks and if space is limited, there's always the ethernet port :)
Make sure the video and audio quality is top notch and not half-baked!
and I noticed their sound quality is not up to par vs buenavista ,sony and fox... coincidence ?? because those are the 3 big guys on the blu side.
WHA?! The majority of people cannot tell the difference between cd audio and DVD audio. You would need a properly tuned sound environment and a VERY good ear to tell the difference between DVD audio and either HD or BD audio.
Even if you had access to an anechoic chamber with the most advanced speakers/receivers/cabling that were all perfectly tuned and had specialized listening training, I still would have extreme levels of doubt concerning whether any human being on earth, past, present or future could tell the difference between the audio outputs of the two hidef formats let alone the difference between two companies on the same format.
I'll even one-up that statement. I'm going to add that I don't beleive the human ear even has the physical construction capable of achieving the fidelity required to differentiate the two sources.
Now you expect ANYONE to believe that the sound quality is being impacted by the fact that they are releasing dual-format based on listening to the audio on your $500 home theatre in a box sound system?
hahha your making me laugh.
Im pretty sure you can't compare, but if you have a chance
Go plop in a bd/or hd-dvd by Warner brothers, a company that does not support pcm or losless as much,
And then plug in a disc by buena vista, or sony (~99 percent of their disc have pcm uncompressed sound)
The sound , bass, and voice have much more impact (sharpness and bass) on uncompressed sound.
Btw you dont need a sound proof or audiphile condition room to hear the difference. I do admit you wont hear a difference when you have 500 dollar all in in one sound system.
But I do have a 1500 dollar sound system in a small room, and a 3000 dollar sound system in the living room and they demonstrate the full sound. Im not saying these sound systems are cheap, they are not expensive either.
Go do yourself a favor and go to an electronic store (not a best buy) and t hey will show you the difference.
Btw the same goes with dvd audio and mp3's vs cd, YOU WILL NOT HEAR the difference when you plug up crappy all in one sound systems or computer speakers. Something I suspect most ppl have.
As I mentioned blu-ray and hd-dvd are still luxury items, but time make these electronics including speakers cheaper and standard items
Interesting... Did I mention that I work in the home theatre business world and that I have certification to calibrate both audio and video equipment?
$1500? Hmmm... that's almost as much as my center. $3000? Yeah, you could buy ONE of my towers for that. Truth is, >just< the speakers and 2 subwoofers in my 7.1 home theatre cost me around $13k and that's dealer cost.
I own both a stand-alone HD-DVD player and stand-alone Blu-Ray player and they are among the least expensive items in my home theatre. I have an Optoma HD81 1080p projector up on a 120" Stewart Firehawk screen. Overall, if you include the cost of things like double-walling the room and sonic panels, I have about $40k invested in my home theatre. My system is a little overkill but hey, it's what I do plus I often use my own setup as a real world showcase of my work to potential clients and I can write off a portion of it each year.
Anyway, I love it when guys that have no idea what they are talking about try to 'explain' things to me. For example:
"The sound , bass, and voice have much more impact (sharpness and bass) on uncompressed sound."
Say what?! The apple is more 'appley'?
Either it sounds better to you because you convinced yourself it should be better or because you want it to be better. I see this all the time, for example, when someone buys ridiculously expensive cables then tells me how much better their system sounds when I know the cables they were using before were already overkill for thier application. They sit there and look at the specs, then read the marketing brochure then read all the reviews and user feedback and eventually convince themselves that these other cables are going to offer them some kind of massive improvement. By the time they actually install them, even if the cables underperformed in comparison, they would claim that they were better.
Im all for Sony's top quality products, especially my 50 inch LCD, but Blu-ray is a product that never should have made it past the concept stage. HD-DVD already had the next generation green light from the DVD forum, to which blu-ray was never submitted, and now millions of dollars are being lost on a format war. If blu ray had a significant advantage over HD-DVD technology, I would have been all for its introduction to the market, but it doesn't. The only thing blu ray has over hd-dvd is a couple of gigs of space which arent even necessary or practical yet for movie or game studios...
sadly most of the sony fans will still preach dominance and superiority due to being blinded by their brand loyalty
to 9.2, 50 gb is not needed. Paramount's 1st announced exclusive HD DVD release was stated to have all the video and audio space that BD fanboys preach HD DVD doesn't have. So essentially that additional disk space for movies is nothing more than a sales tactic and a way to get people like yourself to believe that it really is needed. Look at BD25 based movies and you'll see they have the full 1080p resolution with all the lossless audio tracks you mentioned (and more). If a movie requires more than the 22-23gb in BD25 and want to add trailers, informercials, whatever they move to the larger format. I'm sorry, BD25 and HD30 is plenty enough space for HDM. Triple layered 51GB HD DVD and BD's 50GB disk sizes is nothing more than a pissing contest.
Is to give flexiblity to the studio to juggle between sound and picture quality.
Most studios do a balance of both, the uncompressed sound is by far much better than dts hd and dolby digital true hd.
It gives a fuller experience when watching movies.
When you go to a theatre both visual and sound is needed
That is opinion that audiophiles tell them selves for buying equipment capable of handling uncompressed PCM *which is expensive*.
In reality To the human ear there is no real difference between Dolby HD, and HD DTS, and with the new 51 gig hd dvds they can handle uncompressed PCM any ways.
Less then 5% of the audio receiver owning populace are capable of handling dolby HD, or DTS hd, And even less capable of handling uncompressed PCM.
It seems you have not switched back and fourth between dolby digital true hd to uncompressed sound.
If you switch back and fourth you will know.
This is the same mentality as ppl who think mp3 is the same as CD music, thought there is still a distinct difference.
Im sorry but i've proven even the strongest of xbox fanboys at my home and they just shut their trap when they saw visual and sound coming from the speakers.
Yes not many ppl own hdmi recievers but then again hd-dvd and blu-ray is still luxury items. Just give it 5 years the recievers with hdmi will be flooded into the market and so will hd players.
Lord Thunderin' Jesus! Are you still going on about this? See comment 7.2
Edit: and 7.4
Double edit: Holy cow Rageanitus, what is with you? I just noticed this comment:
"the uncompressed sound is by far much better than dts hd and dolby digital true hd."
You do realize that DTS HD (Master Audio) and Dolby Digital True HD are both lossless codecs right? That means they are bit-for-bit identical to the original master! Man, the more you talk, the less you seem to know!
I also think its funny that you can get a ps3 and a 360 addon for less than a hybrid disk player...
We're staying neutrual for now. He puts too much into "for now". Seems like they are feeling the pressure to go exclusive or something.
But he exmplains it, saying they are gonna see how the market goes very carefully. So which ever is selling more, they might go exclusive to them I guess.
what war? its already over - HD DVD is crap and stands no chance past 2nd qtr next year. BD has so much more in the future it will be able to do that HD DVD wont be even able to do. I could care less which format was approved by the DVD forum -they can go to hell! If someone puts out a better product (BD) then I am all for it no matter who approved what. Do people think Toshiba players alone and some inferior Chinese crap made by slave Labor, will actually ever compete with all the companies behind Blu Ray. Oh yeah, and New Line is making BD exclusive this year, and they say that their titles will hit HD DVD early 08 - right, thats if they hav'nt changed their minds by then. Paramounted already knows they made a huge mistake - they will back soon enough.
HD DVD Is capable of any thing Blu ray is capable of, The menu system? the DVD forum could easily adopt it.
And now with 51gig discs? 1080p movies are easy, and uncompressed PCM sound is easy, There is no longer a single difference between blu ray and hd dvd, Becuase of the increase in size.
Blu ray has lost all its advantages, The big movie studios and its smaller studios that have went hd dvd exlusive put the hd dvd side of movie studio support right at blu rays numbers of studios.
Warner Bros. is a smart company.
BLU-RAY victory, i wish all companies to be neutral, and let us choose..
either way they're getting money from both sides
I'd hate to see warners Brothers go bank rupt b7y supporting HD-DVD only, might i add the loesers dying side, they could supposrt Blu-Ray and make a huge profit but i don't see how they will make much more of a profit by supporting HD-DVD, as no one buys HD-DVD it may actually lose them money, i mean have u seen the HD-DVD add on it makes the 360 look like a multi torie building, or does that heap o junk fit inside it?
why does hd-dvd / blu-ray matter? we are gamers... even if 360 carry HD-DVD games format shouldn't matter at all. (unless you actually collects HD movies)
Yes, neutral for now...until the final offers are in. You can bet your bottom dollar that both camps are offering WB huges amounts of cash to go exclusive. As it stands, we pretty much have a stalemate (edge to HD DVD due to cost), and anyone who gets Warner as an exclusive studio wins.
I don't see why people are so big on the sale trends outside of their country, either. Bluray is region locked. I don't care how bluray is selling in Japan, because that's no my region. If bluray wins everwhere but America, and HD DVD wins here, I'll still be getting an HD DVD player, and HD DVD would still even have a chance everwhere else since HD DVD is not region locked. If bluray loses a region, or even just a major country in a region, that region is pretty much dead to them.
Anyway, I'm guessing the both sides are trying to offer enough money to make up for the (small) loss of sales and the (large) loss of their universal HD discs.
May the highest bidder win!
"We're talking to both sides and it’s crazy right now," he said. "We’ll see how the fourth quarter plays out. The consumer is still kind of divided, and we still believe that we should offer the content in both formats. Now, we will watch the marketplace very closely, and see how it plays out, but for now we are supporting both."
So unless HD DVD gets so steam behind it and starts selling more DISC's than looks like Warner might go Blu Ray.
Is it me or is there a flow of good news about Sony/PS3 starting to get really strong?
TGS should be fun ;)
BTW, good news for Blu-Ray, its important to have Warner on their side, even if its just for a couple of months. Oh and ppl get this into your heads: no company is gonna chose one system or the other right now unless they are paid to be exclusive. Cause Xmas is coming, and its obviously better to release the movies on two formats instead of just one...
BS - and their 51g wont even be seen for a long time - oh yeah 3 layers while BD is 50 on 2. Plus they can expand up to about 200g or so...
Anyone who supports HD DVD doesnt know anything about home theater - oh and that pretty much goes for EVERYONE on this site! I am done and this is my last post on one of the worst sites for fanboyism I haver ever seen.
buh bye BD/PS3 fanboy
but before you leave, ask yourself if movies really need 50gb or not cuz the answer is no
Not ALL movies(LoTR whole series 1080p uncompressed audio anyone) but you are correct it's not really necessary.
Really? Because I have a Custom Home Theatre installation business and I am ISF and HAA certified (video and audio calibration) and I believe that HD-DVD is the superior product for delivering movies.
blu-ray for the win baby.
And yes for 1080p with full uncompressed sound you do need it, don't know too much about hd do you,lol/
pitch black are 21gb 1080p. with 109mins running time.
Now say a film like lord of the rings. 178-208(extended addition.)
Were now talking about 35-38gb for 1080p.
let the consumer decide on what they want.
well done Warner Brothers
As nice as it would be to really let the consumer decide, there are a few problems. Obviously, most studios are already exclusive one side or the other, and they will not even consider going neutral unless the SOny owned studios go neutral, and Sony wouldn't do that. Also, it seems to be WB is likely just holding out for more money. I'm sure both sides are offering some insane amount, and WB goes to the other side and says "they gave me this offer, what can you do for us now?"
For now, at least, though, WB is letting people choose, even if I think its pretty likely to be out of greed. The right thing for the wrong reason is still the right thing, though. It's just too bad a single studio can't give us all the right to choose the format we want.
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