Gran Turismo 5 has been out for some time now, and it has positioned itself as one of the best racing games around. We have also heard that Forza 4 is set to be released in 2011 and looks like it could be a great competitor for Gran Turismo 5. In this article Kickarss wants to discuss why Forza could be better than GT5.
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Think about it. Microsoft is applying a similar strategy. We've seen 3 major Forza games already this gen in contrast with one major GT5. On top of that, all Forza's have a higher metascore than GT5. The only way I see Gran Turismo regain its former popularity is the release of GT6 and GT7 this generation: and fast.
No, the reason its metacritic scores took a hit was because they went too far with it, they made the game too hard unlike Forza which went the opposite direction.
If you think Forza is more popular than Gt5 you are delusional. Gt5 out sold Forza 3 lifetime sales inless than 2 weeks.
Which one is the better game depends on who you ask but there is no disputing Gt5's popularity.
StanLee is right about having features to make the game more accessible. Don't forget that Forza 3 has full damage right from race number one (a very hardcore sim feature), while GT5's damage gets progressively worse, as well as now having been patched to have options like full or limited damage. GT5's damage system was clearly designed to add accessibility to the game.
The only reason we've seen 3 major Forza games, and now a fourth coming soon is because MS want to catch up to GT with the numbers. That's it. Once Forza hit's 5, they will wait to release games in a similar timeframe to Gran Turismo, and hopefully then there actually will be some quality to the game, rather than them rushing to release a game every 1-2 years with minor improvements.
ANY new version of a game has the potential to out-do not only its former release but also the comparative competition.
It is a matter of not only capitalizing on the good points to make them better but also adding features that hadnt been thought of or included in the prior release.
It will take more than that however when it comes to the popularity (name recognition). Not that it can't happen but that it makes it more difficult to get people to see your product and what it offers more/better.
That sentiment is basically in all forms of business. You could have a better cheaper product but some are so stuck on name brand that they wont deviate. That is where marketing comes into play.
edit: @gaffyh
"The only reason we've seen 3 major Forza games, and now a fourth coming soon is because MS want to catch up to GT with the numbers. That's it."
I dont see where it is relevant that a game series have to match x number of releases to be accepted. If that were true, then we need more RPG's cause FF is approaching 14 soon.
Come on phantasy star 14.
PD is updating, and will continue to update, the game with every feature, and fixing nearly every complaint that reviewers had with the game.
The unfortunate side-effect to this, is that most people who will never play the game will take reviews at face value, not attempting to look further into things. Those who actually ignored the shit reviews and purchased the game for themselves are being rewarded with diligent attention from the developers, and game that is well-worthy of praise.
Unfortunately for you and Microsoft. Metascores doesnt have anything to do with real gamers. A real gamer doesn't use scores to determine whats good or not.
You couldn't be more wrong. You are basing populartiy on a metric score. Well I would say that about 5m people disagree with you. By the end GT5 run Fartza 4 nor 5 will surpass GT5 in sales or quality.
Just not the same type of game. GT focuses on being a sim, and Forza focuses on being a game... different things and it's a sim that sim.
And we all know that Forza 4 won't look ANYWHERE NEAR what is displayed there. Everyone saw the Forza 1 bullshots, and then the Forza 2 ones, then the Forza 3 ones, now these are the Forza 4 ones.
You're wrong. Driving on forza is ALWAYS assisted. It always has the GT equivalent of 'skid assist' stuck on.
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
It's for casuals. Sorry, but the game is built for casual racing fans, not hardcore players who want a good racing SIM.
That's such a BS video. Forza 3 does NOT have a permament steering assist. I know, because I've been playing it since day one.
Notice how you NEVER actually see the options screen in the video, so you don't really know how the assists are positioned. Are we just supposed to take his word for it? The fact that he doesn't show the options - he just tells what they are - is a pretty big indicator that he's trying to hide something.
If someone posts an anti-GT5 video, with NO visual proof, would you just accept it, no questions asked, like you do here?
Then tell me why the Forza devs decided to modify the real race tracks to make it MUCH easier to drive?
Forza 2:
http://img46.imageshack.us/...
Real:
http://img713.imageshack.us...
LoL, racing is just that racing in a circle on a track, if your on a street you'll just go in a straight line or do a big circle, that's what they do in Stockholm dvds
Changing tire pressure isn't good anyway, if they are low you'll run the risk of poping tires from heat in the sidewall, and if they are to high you run the risk of them poping from hitting the bumps and they have no flex in them to allow them to shape around the bump.
Spec B racing allows to make the AI much better racers as you become their manager, so if you never do any spec B racing it'll be AI lvl 1 it can goto lvl40+ in AI in GT5.
Also the idea isn't to hit the wall but to stay on the track... try and do it on a real track you'll find it's not as easy as you think.
The problems I find with Forza is the cars all goto un-realistic speeds even a mini1 will do 300kph when their motor only does a max of 90kph is laughable, also all the cars have real bad under-steer.
It simply doesn't behave like a real car should and in a sim that's the way it should be, GT5 isn't about making it easy to drive as it isn't at speed in a real car.
That's why so many new drivers crash all the time, as they get cocky thinking they can take every corner at 150kph and that off camber corner throws them into a tree like a piece of paper.
Forza is hugely unrealistic, people saying it's a sim is a joke.
oh damn... too late :/
this fails so much
1 they are cmoparing a in game shot to a bullsot and i remember seeing some forza 3 bullshots and they looked incredible but the in game cars were not as good
2
my opinion top gear us is too generic and stripted and the track isnt famous like the top gear uk track so its kinda pointless to gloat about some unknown track being featured ..
3 kinect support ...
im not saying forza 4 wont be as good as gt5 ( i cant see the future)but those were shitty reasons it could beat gt5
Forza 2 came out. Then GT5P came out and people complained how can you compare GT5P to an old game?
Then Forza 3 came out and people complained, How can you compare F3 to GT5P which is a year old?
Now GT 5 is out and people are complaining, How can you compare GT 5 to a game that is almost a year old?
Next, Forza 4 will come out and people will be asking, How can you compare Forza 4 to GT 5, because GT 5 is the greatest and last racing game we will ever need....
...at least until GT 6 comes out anyway!
And to those saying that Forza is Arcady probably never played it or haven't tried it without the assists. Spin it the way you want GT5 only recieved 3 perfect scores on meta while Forza 3 got 10. I know I'll get a lot of disagrees for that. Omg saying something negative abour GT5 on N4G! What was I thinking.
The integrity of the video I posted isn't up for debate at this stage, or with me. It's old, and it's been discussed and tested to death all over Forza forums, if you want to get into it go there and try argue with the people who've tested it.
since your saying 80% of the cars are from gt4 and only 20% is ps3 ( which goes to show you never even played the game let alone " sold it ")
tthat means the entire game is 80% gt4 despite all the new content besides the nascar and karting ?
thats wierd i didnt know that the cars were 100% of the game :p
and btw the only ones saying forza isnt arcadey havent played gt5 yet
I was at level 14 when I sold it. And You don't have to take my word for it... it's all over the internet that GT5 is 80% recycled (800 standard cars from 1000 = 80%)and the new content is about 20% cars and tracks. I won't post links, I'm sure you can find it. But you probably don't want to anyways. Keep believing that GT5 didn't under-deliver. But 60+ reviews say the exact opposite. Only people that waited 5 years for GT5 without playing Forza deny that fact.
I don't know which one outweighs the other, but what I do like is that the frequent occurrence of iterations allow them to receive feedback constantly.
1. that doesent change a thing
if you think that 1000 cars = 100% of the game i dont know what to say to you
2.i can go buy forza and claim i played .. doesent really prove anything tbh
3.you sold the game after only reaching lvl 14 shows you probably bought the game because of the hype
and im not one of the ones saying gt5 is perfect .. i havent seen anyone say its a perfect game ..
and i dont think 63 reviewers saying the complete opposite.. i know that out of 63 reviews the average is 84
if reviewers were saying wwhat you are saying gt5 would be at a 20 .. not 80
Some people want a car sim not an arcade racer like froza and need for speed etc and they'll want the PC car sims and GT5 to play on.
They aren't easy to drive and they never will be, the AI or other will will try to block you at every turn and try to make it hard to slip stream etc, they aren't made so you can see what a car will look like when to trash it into a wall at 250kph, they are made so you can practise your track/driving skills properly, think of these as the flight simulators of car games.
if you want to easy to drive piss about car games that are around purely of a time waste or fun then get everything else on the shelf.
That being said, I hope I finish off GT5 before Forza4 drops as I love this genre of gaming the most!!
Just sayin.
bro pleassss more jokes
...your post is bland
What you just described is the very definition of GT5, hype the game for 5 years with bullshots, then when it releases its full of last gen flaws and stupid mistakes, leaving everyone hugely disappointed. No cockpit views on 80% of the cars LMAO!!! Its 2010 for crying out loud!!! every time I think about that I laugh, then I cry :(
lol are your brin cell are ok.
the one how was hyping they game by a fack bullshot and call it this is in game shot was turn 10.
furza 3 have many last gen flaws and bugs.
PD didnt hype the game.
I laugh at some idiot say gt5 is disappoined becaus it was hype and forget how forza3 was hyped more than gt5.
and by the why if you played gt5 you well know photo wast bullshot.
They should have compared it to NFS Hot pursuit of sumpthin.
fuck off, kthx.
its hilarious.
i wonder if polyphony decide to make GT6 to be released as same date as forza 5 which mean 3 years of development plan for GT6
Grasping at straws
I like how you summed up your own comment
"Grasping at straws"
thats incredible
Also the reviewers seem to have absolutely hated GT5, but it seems that people that own the game love it. Me included. I have never seen so much post-release support for a game as Gran Turismo 5. Yesterdays patch added a ton of fun stuff and I'm totally addicted to it.
vietnam ftw!
Like right there I have no clue what I said
@sp1deynut:
Which is why Turn 10 kept comparing it to GT4 and GT5P with everyone else was saying they were coming up short?
Know I I'm just tired of hearing Turn 10 declaring themselves the winner when they themselves have yet to show anything.
...when one of the opponents is a yearly no-show.
And what happens when GT6 is rolled out? I don't know...in what decade will that occur exactly?
I am glad GT games don't come out every year. Have you seen how much content they pack into a game. There is no way you would ever finish it before the next game came out.
Silly guy if you're talking decade , you realise that in this last decade , PD released :
Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec 2001
Gran Turismo 4 2005
Gran Turismo (PSP) 2009
Gran Turismo 5 2010
4 games in a decade !! ( damn it they actually take their time to produce good games !! )
schoking i know
Gran Turismo Concept: 2001 Tokyo
Gran Turismo Concept: 2002 Tokyo-Seoul
Gran Turismo Concept: 2002 Tokyo-Geneva
Gran Turismo 4 Prologue 2003/2004
Gran Turismo 4 Online (test version) 2006
Gran Turismo HD 2006
Gran Turismo 5 Prologue
these are the release they did to gave some of their fans something to do ..
As you see Polyphony digital is a very slow devellopper that don't provide "that" many games in a decade /s
http://tinypic.com/r/e3tzc/...
mark my words: The games not going to be out until 2012, despite what they said.
If you are trying to talk about a game that doesn't even exist as far as the amount of gameplay you've seen, then you are just being used as a marketing tool. Wait for the gameplay, then get pumped and make articles like this. At least then they will have SOME sort of grounds.
@below, rewind button? You mean for the replays? Yeah your perfect game shipped without it. So if you missed a cool frame in your video, you gotta watch it from the start. How do you not include rewind and fast forward on video replay? Or is that something you unlock at level 40?
if I still had an xbox I'd play forza too but I don't anymore. I just like racing games, period.
Don't assume so much. I wasn't even talking about quality of either game, despite not mentioning two games in my post. I was referring to cheap marketing ploys that shouldn't affect how you spend your money. My only point is that people are making MASSIVE assumptions off of a trailer they threw together in a couple of hours and some tweets.
Also the problem with your comment is that MS has a low amount of first party studios. Which then if a delay is to happen then you are really up a sh** creak without a paddle. For Sony having that many studios helps in enduring delays for certain games.
Unless you own a PS3 you really don't know how much quality is put into each game. Even with the GT5 delay, it's the best racing sim out there. LBP 2 got delayed, people complained but because of the quality already shown we endure
MS delayed the showing of Gears of War 3 from VGA's. What happened to 360 only owners, huge uproar why, because of the scarcity of exclusive games.
Stop trolling and take that some where else
I know epic isn't 1st party but gears 3 got delayed to a following year. So ya games get delayed, it shouldn't be a huge thing to complain about why one game isn't good to you, just because of a delay.
I mean, if not for Forza 3 and what it brought to the table as far as racing "sims" (this has been argued to death, not going to start here) then GT5 would have got much higher ratings. I'm sure PD are going to be working twice as hard now on the next game or even on the new content that has been coming out with patches.
At the same time Turn 10 also gets to see what they should improve by looking at Gran Turismo 5, I mean, Forza 4's feature list they showed was essentially everything that Gran Turismo 5 had brought out.
I've been playing GT5 constantly since its release, and although it's not the Messiah of Racing Games people hyped it up to be, it's a damn great game.
1. Graphics: They really think that model shown of Forza4 is in-game, let alone in-engine? They are sadly mistaken.
2. Kinect Support: Yep let me turn my imaginary wheel and press my invisible pedals. I hope I press the brake and not the gas. 90% or more of Forza 4 owners will not use kinect to play it.
3. Top Gear: Standard in GT5, even a STIG event in GT5. Yes there might be content in Forza 4 but exclusive content that would make you want to buy it and leave GT5 in the dust? No...
4. Time to correct errors: Yes this can't be argued. However to say time to fix GT5's mistakes is uncalled for and unnecessary. Biggest gripe people have with GT5 is standard vs premium (which is big but not game breaking) and the damage model which honestly isn't great but it's the mechanical damage that matters.
Other than that GT5 doesn't have many mistakes, especially not ones that Forza is going to "fix". This article is ridiculous and just plain flamebait. It's amazing how shit like this even gets approved...
Is that going to happen?? No its not. From what I am seeing, people are barely playing Forza 3 to begin with.
Judging from those two games. Sounds to me like you dont like actually driving real cars and doing so with real life performance.
I wouldn't trade GT series for Forza, not in a million years.
Why is everyone sold out of the wheel. The game is fun but will be great once i get myself one of them there whelly thingys
its funny how these things pan out. check out this time line below.
gt5 finally getting a release date.. media doing all these positive previews of the game.. MS hmmm we dont like this. game comes out. reviews start. media bashes the game as mush as they can but tries to down play it. MS hey were releasing forza 4!!!!
This shitz is stupid. Both game are great so buy which ever for the console that you owned. If you own both, buy both. I don't see why not if you like racing games. Each has their own offerings.
The graphics are an inconsistent mess and the UI is just awful, if GT5's achieved anything then it's achieved in making me loose my interest in the Gran Turismo franchise.
I don't really like Forza but I'm looking forward to see where it's heading.
Dirt 3's environments look better, GT5's a mixed bag of good and ugly graphics, that's what hence why I said INCONSISTENT.
You most likely don't have the game you fanboy.
You don't have eyes either.
Let's see you make a game oh wait you cant cause you probaly work at a bakery give away your Gt5 copy if you don't like it problem solved.
Your really crazy to think that gt5 is a waste of space. It's seriously my fab racer right now. I played forza 3 for awhile and the games physics just aren't up to par. It's decent for what it is but you really can't compare the two games. Just because turn 10 tells you their better then PD doesn't mean its true.
1. GT5 It is not 1080p native and lack AA.
2. How much space does GT5 actually take up -> that how much DVD u would need so is GT5 50gig? I don't think so.
3. Why are u touting mechanical damage and such when other games have it as well and probably better.
People on here don't really think do they. c'mon if you want to argue, at least, get your fact straight.
Although the general review is that Forza has been higher than GT. Who cares about the rating if you prefer GT5. But in general that what it is. I don't see fanboy complaining when Sony getting high rated games (UC2)? WTF is this one sided thinking on n4g?
Oh merry Christmas btw :p
It's a sim.
You have to drive around the track as you would really.
I've tested many cars and have a good wheel for it.
The seasonal event atm which the lap time is 36secs, is hard. You have to get it all correct. I'm at 39secs. But will try to better that.
GT5 and Forza3 are different games to suit different people
GT4 89, GT5 Prologue 80, GT PSP 74, GT5 84
Forza 1 92, Forza 2 90, Forza 3 92
(It's so funny seeing all the disagrees from the simpletons that can't stand to see the facts, or maybe just don't understand numbers.)
But i like and prefer gt's car mechanic tweaking.
1) Always on assist ~ http://www.youtube.com/watc...
2) Inaccurate driving physics
3) Inaccurate tracks
4) REWIND
Your other arguments are pretty lame general assumptions, inaccurate tracks, physics? whatever you say. Here's some inaccuracy - terrible damage, AI, 80% of cars non premium taken from PS2.
The real Nurb Karussell
http://img713.imageshack.us...
And Forza's "version" of reality
http://img46.imageshack.us/...
That cannot be denied as I said in my original post but again for some weird reason you just don't get it. Additionally the always on assist shows/proves it's inaccurate driving physics. Do I need to say it again how this cannot be denied? But yet we all know you will try to do so in some crazy way without any supportive proof...just your "words" and they don't mean $#@! because you have no proof unlike myself and others.
Actually this is futile so I will just end it with this ~ the FACT is what I have said is PROVEN, no matter what you tend to "believe" & say.