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Submitted by kickarss 1210d ago | opinion piece

Why Forza 4 could take over Gran Turismo 5

Gran Turismo 5 has been out for some time now, and it has positioned itself as one of the best racing games around. We have also heard that Forza 4 is set to be released in 2011 and looks like it could be a great competitor for Gran Turismo 5. In this article Kickarss wants to discuss why Forza could be better than GT5. (Dev, Forza Motorsport 4, Gran Turismo 5, Industry, Xbox 360)

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awiseman  +   1210d ago
0000 must be another conspiracy against sony...
Dark_Charizard  +   1210d ago
Do you know what EA's boss said? “The way you unseat a market leader is you make a better game a couple of times in a row."

Think about it. Microsoft is applying a similar strategy. We've seen 3 major Forza games already this gen in contrast with one major GT5. On top of that, all Forza's have a higher metascore than GT5. The only way I see Gran Turismo regain its former popularity is the release of GT6 and GT7 this generation: and fast.
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PirateThom  +   1210d ago
Gran Turismo hasn't lost any of its popularity though, in fact, it's still highly praised.

No, the reason its metacritic scores took a hit was because they went too far with it, they made the game too hard unlike Forza which went the opposite direction.
Genesis5  +   1210d ago
That's right PT. Forza went for the more arcade style racer while GT stayed true to its origins and remained what it is famous for. The worlds best driving simulator.
nycredude  +   1210d ago
Aghostfromthepast

If you think Forza is more popular than Gt5 you are delusional. Gt5 out sold Forza 3 lifetime sales inless than 2 weeks.

Which one is the better game depends on who you ask but there is no disputing Gt5's popularity.
StanLee  +   1210d ago
Forza 3 isn't easier than GT5, it's just more accessible. There are tools in the game to help the more casual fan of racing titles but these tools are optional. A casual player may gradually remove these tools as he progresses and learns or the more die hard fan wanting a sim can turn all these options off. Forza 3 is a great game and having release 2 iterations this gen, Turn 10 received great feedback from Forza 2's community.
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gaffyh  +   1210d ago
Well from actually playing BOTH games, GT5 is A LOT better than Forza, and a lot of people who have also played both games agree. GT is a better simulation especially, whereas Forza, while not an arcade racer, is more arcade-y.

The only reason we've seen 3 major Forza games, and now a fourth coming soon is because MS want to catch up to GT with the numbers. That's it. Once Forza hit's 5, they will wait to release games in a similar timeframe to Gran Turismo, and hopefully then there actually will be some quality to the game, rather than them rushing to release a game every 1-2 years with minor improvements.
TreMillz  +   1210d ago
the rewind feature made Forza automatically Arcade style.... not even much arcade racers have that feature...and a so called simulator does...
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darthv72  +   1210d ago
well..to be honest
ANY new version of a game has the potential to out-do not only its former release but also the comparative competition.

It is a matter of not only capitalizing on the good points to make them better but also adding features that hadnt been thought of or included in the prior release.

It will take more than that however when it comes to the popularity (name recognition). Not that it can't happen but that it makes it more difficult to get people to see your product and what it offers more/better.

That sentiment is basically in all forms of business. You could have a better cheaper product but some are so stuck on name brand that they wont deviate. That is where marketing comes into play.

edit: @gaffyh
"The only reason we've seen 3 major Forza games, and now a fourth coming soon is because MS want to catch up to GT with the numbers. That's it."

I dont see where it is relevant that a game series have to match x number of releases to be accepted. If that were true, then we need more RPG's cause FF is approaching 14 soon.

Come on phantasy star 14.
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thereapersson  +   1210d ago
The best (and worst) part is
PD is updating, and will continue to update, the game with every feature, and fixing nearly every complaint that reviewers had with the game.

The unfortunate side-effect to this, is that most people who will never play the game will take reviews at face value, not attempting to look further into things. Those who actually ignored the shit reviews and purchased the game for themselves are being rewarded with diligent attention from the developers, and game that is well-worthy of praise.
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GeneGodHand  +   1210d ago
Gt5 has to worry about nothing it made so much money and the name is famous Forza is a nobody keeping it real.
punisher99  +   1210d ago
@AGhostFromThePast:
Unfortunately for you and Microsoft. Metascores doesnt have anything to do with real gamers. A real gamer doesn't use scores to determine whats good or not.
cobpswii3600  +   1210d ago
Lost popularity? GT5 has already sold better than Every Forza game. Reviews? Screw em.
Clarence  +   1210d ago
@AGhostFromThePast
You couldn't be more wrong. You are basing populartiy on a metric score. Well I would say that about 5m people disagree with you. By the end GT5 run Fartza 4 nor 5 will surpass GT5 in sales or quality.
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ChronoJoe  +   1210d ago
Every Forza has had a better meta score than every respective GT game. (Forza 1, better rated than GT4, Forza 2, better rated than GT4, Forza 3 better rated than GT5). So kinda debunks that theory. It's mostly because Forza doesn't have the licenses and feature set, which are what's important to sim racing fans, rather than metascores.

Just not the same type of game. GT focuses on being a sim, and Forza focuses on being a game... different things and it's a sim that sim.

And we all know that Forza 4 won't look ANYWHERE NEAR what is displayed there. Everyone saw the Forza 1 bullshots, and then the Forza 2 ones, then the Forza 3 ones, now these are the Forza 4 ones.
ChronoJoe  +   1210d ago
@StanLee

You're wrong. Driving on forza is ALWAYS assisted. It always has the GT equivalent of 'skid assist' stuck on.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

It's for casuals. Sorry, but the game is built for casual racing fans, not hardcore players who want a good racing SIM.
Strikepackage Bravo  +   1210d ago
GT5 comes up short in too many areas, there is more to racing than driving in a circle around a track. I cant change my tire pressure, I cant put on lighter rims, my tire choices are limited, GT5 AI is retarded, and when I slam into a wall my performance is unaffected in GT5, that is not a sim, GT5 is an arcade racer, Forza is way more realistic.
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rockleex  +   1210d ago
"Forza is NOT an "arcade style" racer."

Then tell me why the Forza devs decided to modify the real race tracks to make it MUCH easier to drive?

Forza 2:
http://img46.imageshack.us/...

Real:
http://img713.imageshack.us...
zag  +   1210d ago
@Strikepackage Bravo

LoL, racing is just that racing in a circle on a track, if your on a street you'll just go in a straight line or do a big circle, that's what they do in Stockholm dvds

Changing tire pressure isn't good anyway, if they are low you'll run the risk of poping tires from heat in the sidewall, and if they are to high you run the risk of them poping from hitting the bumps and they have no flex in them to allow them to shape around the bump.

Spec B racing allows to make the AI much better racers as you become their manager, so if you never do any spec B racing it'll be AI lvl 1 it can goto lvl40+ in AI in GT5.

Also the idea isn't to hit the wall but to stay on the track... try and do it on a real track you'll find it's not as easy as you think.

The problems I find with Forza is the cars all goto un-realistic speeds even a mini1 will do 300kph when their motor only does a max of 90kph is laughable, also all the cars have real bad under-steer.

It simply doesn't behave like a real car should and in a sim that's the way it should be, GT5 isn't about making it easy to drive as it isn't at speed in a real car.

That's why so many new drivers crash all the time, as they get cocky thinking they can take every corner at 150kph and that off camber corner throws them into a tree like a piece of paper.

Forza is hugely unrealistic, people saying it's a sim is a joke.
B-312  +   1210d ago
inb4 PS3 fanboy shitstorm

oh damn... too late :/
Dmarc  +   1210d ago
lol
this fails so much
1 they are cmoparing a in game shot to a bullsot and i remember seeing some forza 3 bullshots and they looked incredible but the in game cars were not as good

2
my opinion top gear us is too generic and stripted and the track isnt famous like the top gear uk track so its kinda pointless to gloat about some unknown track being featured ..

3 kinect support ...

im not saying forza 4 wont be as good as gt5 ( i cant see the future)but those were shitty reasons it could beat gt5
AAACE5  +   1210d ago
When will it end?

Forza 2 came out. Then GT5P came out and people complained how can you compare GT5P to an old game?

Then Forza 3 came out and people complained, How can you compare F3 to GT5P which is a year old?

Now GT 5 is out and people are complaining, How can you compare GT 5 to a game that is almost a year old?

Next, Forza 4 will come out and people will be asking, How can you compare Forza 4 to GT 5, because GT 5 is the greatest and last racing game we will ever need....

...at least until GT 6 comes out anyway!
bennyace  +   1210d ago
The reason GT5 scores took a hit. It's because it's 80% PS2 and 20% PS3. That's the main reason for me and the reason I sold it already. I was very disapointed with the long wait for that little new content. And I don't care about Nascar or go-karts. I don't care when EA releases A Nascar game every year so why should I care that it's on GT5.

And to those saying that Forza is Arcady probably never played it or haven't tried it without the assists. Spin it the way you want GT5 only recieved 3 perfect scores on meta while Forza 3 got 10. I know I'll get a lot of disagrees for that. Omg saying something negative abour GT5 on N4G! What was I thinking.
ChronoJoe  +   1210d ago
@DK286K

The integrity of the video I posted isn't up for debate at this stage, or with me. It's old, and it's been discussed and tested to death all over Forza forums, if you want to get into it go there and try argue with the people who've tested it.
Dmarc  +   1209d ago
@benny

since your saying 80% of the cars are from gt4 and only 20% is ps3 ( which goes to show you never even played the game let alone " sold it ")
tthat means the entire game is 80% gt4 despite all the new content besides the nascar and karting ?

thats wierd i didnt know that the cars were 100% of the game :p

and btw the only ones saying forza isnt arcadey havent played gt5 yet
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AndrewRyan  +   1209d ago
I agree. Forza 3 was not as much of a simulator but I loved the game for it's customization, the game was really, really fun. GT5 is a lot more realistic and the graphics are great. Fun? Yeah sure it is! It depends on who you are.
darkride66  +   1209d ago
Here's the problem with the idea of Forza taking over from GT. Europe and Japan. The Europeans and Japanese love their cars, and they love their racing games just as much as the Americans do, but outside of the US the 360 never really caught on. It's still primarily a US built console that caters to the US audience. So, while Americans may snatch up Forza - the market in Japan and Europe will always be limited for them simply based on the install base, which isn't in a position to challenge Sony. Unless the 360 suddenly cracks the European and Japanese markets and takes it away from the PS3, which simply isn't about to happen, Forza sales will always be limited. It's Europe and Japan combined that are by far driving GT sales.
bennyace  +   1209d ago
@Dmarc look at my avatar. I took the picture of the 2 boxes (gt5 and forza 3) together with my name written underneath because I knew that some Sony fanboy would say that I never played GT5.

I was at level 14 when I sold it. And You don't have to take my word for it... it's all over the internet that GT5 is 80% recycled (800 standard cars from 1000 = 80%)and the new content is about 20% cars and tracks. I won't post links, I'm sure you can find it. But you probably don't want to anyways. Keep believing that GT5 didn't under-deliver. But 60+ reviews say the exact opposite. Only people that waited 5 years for GT5 without playing Forza deny that fact.
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rareairtone  +   1208d ago
There are obviously advantages and disadvantages to Turn 10's release schedule.

I don't know which one outweighs the other, but what I do like is that the frequent occurrence of iterations allow them to receive feedback constantly.
Dmarc  +   1208d ago
@benny
1. that doesent change a thing
if you think that 1000 cars = 100% of the game i dont know what to say to you
2.i can go buy forza and claim i played .. doesent really prove anything tbh
3.you sold the game after only reaching lvl 14 shows you probably bought the game because of the hype

and im not one of the ones saying gt5 is perfect .. i havent seen anyone say its a perfect game ..
and i dont think 63 reviewers saying the complete opposite.. i know that out of 63 reviews the average is 84

if reviewers were saying wwhat you are saying gt5 would be at a 20 .. not 80
zag  +   1205d ago
The issues isn't about whether 1 is better than the other it's about what your after.

Some people want a car sim not an arcade racer like froza and need for speed etc and they'll want the PC car sims and GT5 to play on.

They aren't easy to drive and they never will be, the AI or other will will try to block you at every turn and try to make it hard to slip stream etc, they aren't made so you can see what a car will look like when to trash it into a wall at 250kph, they are made so you can practise your track/driving skills properly, think of these as the flight simulators of car games.

if you want to easy to drive piss about car games that are around purely of a time waste or fun then get everything else on the shelf.
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creeping judas  +   1210d ago
1 Forza on the OG Xbox + 2 Forza's on the 360 does not equal 3 Forza games this generation. Forza 4 will be the 3rd this generation.How many GT5's appeared on the PS2?

That being said, I hope I finish off GT5 before Forza4 drops as I love this genre of gaming the most!!
oldjadedgamer  +   1210d ago
Ummm... zero GT5s appeared on the PS2.

Just sayin.
King-Leonidas  +   1210d ago
aaaaahahahaahaha just shot yourself in the foot!
creeping judas  +   1209d ago
Nice one, was meant to be GT's
RedRedSuitSDF  +   1210d ago
Everyone already knows that Forza 3 is already better than GT 5.
Kon_Artist  +   1210d ago
hahahahahahahha

bro pleassss more jokes
sporteous121212  +   1208d ago
@ miDnIghtEr20C

...your post is bland
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PlayStation X  +   1210d ago
Didnt anyone learn from the previous forza's? all turn 10 do is lie and overhype there game and your left in disapointment when its released.
State of Matter  +   1210d ago
OK wait, your kidding right, your being sarcastic I get it... right?

What you just described is the very definition of GT5, hype the game for 5 years with bullshots, then when it releases its full of last gen flaws and stupid mistakes, leaving everyone hugely disappointed. No cockpit views on 80% of the cars LMAO!!! Its 2010 for crying out loud!!! every time I think about that I laugh, then I cry :(
Kon_Artist  +   1209d ago
compare the cockpits from forza 3 to cockpits in gt5.
anti-gamer  +   1209d ago
@ State
lol are your brin cell are ok.

the one how was hyping they game by a fack bullshot and call it this is in game shot was turn 10.

furza 3 have many last gen flaws and bugs.

PD didnt hype the game.

I laugh at some idiot say gt5 is disappoined becaus it was hype and forget how forza3 was hyped more than gt5.

and by the why if you played gt5 you well know photo wast bullshot.
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State of Matter  +   1210d ago
Well this isn't exactly ground breaking, GT5 is not very hard to beat, most of its cars are from PS2, and 80% of them dont even have cockpit view, GT5 is a PS2 game in HD.

They should have compared it to NFS Hot pursuit of sumpthin.
Kishin  +   1209d ago
awiseman

fuck off, kthx.
scar20  +   1210d ago
Is it me or is it starting to get hot in here?
MaximusPrime  +   1210d ago
guys read it.

its hilarious.
SonyNGP  +   1210d ago
I just noticed the IV in the logo. lol.
rrw  +   1210d ago
and by the time Forza released Gt5 already fixed the problem and make it way better.

i wonder if polyphony decide to make GT6 to be released as same date as forza 5 which mean 3 years of development plan for GT6
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redwolf  +   1210d ago
and GT6 hype will be on the horizon
KotC  +   1210d ago
Why should they need to fix GT5 when it took 5 years to make?

Grasping at straws
Black-Helghast  +   1210d ago
Have you played GT5? Have you seen those details in the game? Dude theres 1000 cars. The graphics. The content. If you think you can do a better game than GT5, be my guest and do one.
Pixel_Enemy  +   1210d ago
@KotC
I like how you summed up your own comment

"Grasping at straws"
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dragon82  +   1210d ago
They didn't need to fix anything. The game was near perfect to begin with. The problem is that most "gamers" this generation can't handle a game that requires a little skill to be good at.
Dmarc  +   1210d ago
damn they was working on ps3 game before ps3 was out ?
thats incredible
nefertis  +   1210d ago
BULLSHIT!!!
R_aVe_N  +   1210d ago
My question is does it really need to? Who cares what system you play just play the dang games you want and hush. It does not matter what side you ask each will say their game is better. It is only natural.
GodofSackboy  +   1210d ago
WTF is this shit? "Microsoft's Kinect has already proven to be a more interactive way to play video games than Playstation's Move" no it bloody well hasn't! It's reminded us why controller free gaming can never work - because there is NO interactivity. There is no feedback, and that kills it. Move is far more immersive, ie firing a gun actually feels like firing a gun (not completely literally >_> ) whereas Kinect is just pew pew pew. Fanboy site.

Also the reviewers seem to have absolutely hated GT5, but it seems that people that own the game love it. Me included. I have never seen so much post-release support for a game as Gran Turismo 5. Yesterdays patch added a ton of fun stuff and I'm totally addicted to it.
drewboy704  +   1210d ago
Battlefield Bad Company 2. 7 free map packs and lovin it
Mmmkay  +   1210d ago
i think you meant new game modes on already existing maps that are already on the disc.....
vietnam ftw!
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drewboy704  +   1210d ago
I know not what I mean, and I mean not what I know.

Like right there I have no clue what I said
Godmars290  +   1210d ago
Wasn't Forza 3 suppose to do that? And what happens when GT6 is rolled out?

@sp1deynut:
Which is why Turn 10 kept comparing it to GT4 and GT5P with everyone else was saying they were coming up short?

Know I I'm just tired of hearing Turn 10 declaring themselves the winner when they themselves have yet to show anything.
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sp1deynut  +   1210d ago
Hard to have a competition....
...when one of the opponents is a yearly no-show.

And what happens when GT6 is rolled out? I don't know...in what decade will that occur exactly?
dragon82  +   1210d ago
When did they make the rule that you had to release a game every year??

I am glad GT games don't come out every year. Have you seen how much content they pack into a game. There is no way you would ever finish it before the next game came out.
Redempteur  +   1210d ago
"And what happens when GT6 is rolled out? I don't know...in what decade will that occur exactly? "

Silly guy if you're talking decade , you realise that in this last decade , PD released :
Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec 2001
Gran Turismo 4 2005
Gran Turismo (PSP) 2009
Gran Turismo 5 2010

4 games in a decade !! ( damn it they actually take their time to produce good games !! )

schoking i know

Gran Turismo Concept: 2001 Tokyo
Gran Turismo Concept: 2002 Tokyo-Seoul
Gran Turismo Concept: 2002 Tokyo-Geneva
Gran Turismo 4 Prologue 2003/2004
Gran Turismo 4 Online (test version) 2006
Gran Turismo HD 2006
Gran Turismo 5 Prologue

these are the release they did to gave some of their fans something to do ..

As you see Polyphony digital is a very slow devellopper that don't provide "that" many games in a decade /s
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ChristianGamer  +   1210d ago
It did as far as quality is involved. Besides, even if it hadn't, gt5 wasn't out yet in 2009 when the definitive and highest rated racing game this gen was released
dragon82  +   1210d ago
Good job stealing my avatar. :P
Raoh  +   1210d ago
Tell em how you feel Desi Arnas

http://tinypic.com/r/e3tzc/...
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soundslike  +   1210d ago
Look at what that half assed trailer started...
mark my words: The games not going to be out until 2012, despite what they said.

If you are trying to talk about a game that doesn't even exist as far as the amount of gameplay you've seen, then you are just being used as a marketing tool. Wait for the gameplay, then get pumped and make articles like this. At least then they will have SOME sort of grounds.
ChristianGamer  +   1210d ago
Delayed til 2012? No I think you're confusing Turn 10 with a SONY 1st party studio. Microsoft's 1st party games never get delayed into the next year. They never have 5 year waits either.
@below, rewind button? You mean for the replays? Yeah your perfect game shipped without it. So if you missed a cool frame in your video, you gotta watch it from the start. How do you not include rewind and fast forward on video replay? Or is that something you unlock at level 40?
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ULTIMATE_REVENGE  +   1210d ago
What about Alan Wake? and what about those 360 exclusives that have been in development for years but have never been announced?
soundslike  +   1210d ago
my "perfect game" ? lol

if I still had an xbox I'd play forza too but I don't anymore. I just like racing games, period.

Don't assume so much. I wasn't even talking about quality of either game, despite not mentioning two games in my post. I was referring to cheap marketing ploys that shouldn't affect how you spend your money. My only point is that people are making MASSIVE assumptions off of a trailer they threw together in a couple of hours and some tweets.
Nathaniel_Drake  +   1210d ago
Oh yeah don't forget Too Human, Sony really dropped the ball...wait wasn't that a MS exclusive.

Also the problem with your comment is that MS has a low amount of first party studios. Which then if a delay is to happen then you are really up a sh** creak without a paddle. For Sony having that many studios helps in enduring delays for certain games.

Unless you own a PS3 you really don't know how much quality is put into each game. Even with the GT5 delay, it's the best racing sim out there. LBP 2 got delayed, people complained but because of the quality already shown we endure

MS delayed the showing of Gears of War 3 from VGA's. What happened to 360 only owners, huge uproar why, because of the scarcity of exclusive games.

Stop trolling and take that some where else
n4gisatroll  +   1210d ago
@ christiangamer

I know epic isn't 1st party but gears 3 got delayed to a following year. So ya games get delayed, it shouldn't be a huge thing to complain about why one game isn't good to you, just because of a delay.
Pyscho_Mantis  +   1209d ago
Mocrosoft has 1st party studios that still produce games?
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Arnagrim  +   1210d ago
I'm glad there's competition now, PD and Turn 10 are both going to be making better games now because of it.
I mean, if not for Forza 3 and what it brought to the table as far as racing "sims" (this has been argued to death, not going to start here) then GT5 would have got much higher ratings. I'm sure PD are going to be working twice as hard now on the next game or even on the new content that has been coming out with patches.
At the same time Turn 10 also gets to see what they should improve by looking at Gran Turismo 5, I mean, Forza 4's feature list they showed was essentially everything that Gran Turismo 5 had brought out.
I've been playing GT5 constantly since its release, and although it's not the Messiah of Racing Games people hyped it up to be, it's a damn great game.
sofocado  +   1209d ago
I hope Sim-Bin is making Race Pro 2
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GamerSciz  +   1210d ago
Ok lets look at the reasoning behind why they say Forza 4 will be better then GT5.

1. Graphics: They really think that model shown of Forza4 is in-game, let alone in-engine? They are sadly mistaken.

2. Kinect Support: Yep let me turn my imaginary wheel and press my invisible pedals. I hope I press the brake and not the gas. 90% or more of Forza 4 owners will not use kinect to play it.

3. Top Gear: Standard in GT5, even a STIG event in GT5. Yes there might be content in Forza 4 but exclusive content that would make you want to buy it and leave GT5 in the dust? No...

4. Time to correct errors: Yes this can't be argued. However to say time to fix GT5's mistakes is uncalled for and unnecessary. Biggest gripe people have with GT5 is standard vs premium (which is big but not game breaking) and the damage model which honestly isn't great but it's the mechanical damage that matters.

Other than that GT5 doesn't have many mistakes, especially not ones that Forza is going to "fix". This article is ridiculous and just plain flamebait. It's amazing how shit like this even gets approved...
Citizen_King  +   1210d ago
The only way Forza 4 could do what the author claims is if it somehow got the millions of GT fans to stop playing the game completely and purchase a 360 and Kinect.

Is that going to happen?? No its not. From what I am seeing, people are barely playing Forza 3 to begin with.
Klepto  +   1210d ago
The forza series has a bad habit of swapping the LOD in their car models on the fly. That model is not what you will see in a race.
GamingIsLife  +   1210d ago
GT5 is Huge. While Forza 4 may over take GT5 I'm Sure GT6 will regain the lead once again as us gamers have seen with the latest installment (GT5)
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outwar6010  +   1210d ago
EVERY racing game has disappointed me this gen for some reason. The only good racing games that I have enjoyed were need for speed underground and need for speed most wanted
punisher99  +   1210d ago
@outwar6010:
Judging from those two games. Sounds to me like you dont like actually driving real cars and doing so with real life performance.
Crystallis  +   1210d ago
Sounds like your preference is arcade style game play rather then a real driving simulator game play.
outwar6010  +   1210d ago
no i do like them its ust the lack of any real aesthetic car customization like vinyls, neon lights etc(to any 360 fanboys i KNOW forza failed on this too so get lost cos i played it) i loved how you could drop insane amounts on performance of any car in gt5 but what i didn't like was the fact that the graphics were inconsistent some tracks looked amazing while others looked low res and how hard it is to drift around the corner. Seriously isn't racing about speed
Vesemir  +   1210d ago
Unless someone brainwash all the GT exclusive fans and convince them to move to Forza that won't happen.
I wouldn't trade GT series for Forza, not in a million years.
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BlackTar187  +   1210d ago
me either.

Why is everyone sold out of the wheel. The game is fun but will be great once i get myself one of them there whelly thingys
Vesemir  +   1210d ago
It only does videogame wheels go out of stock.
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theonlylolking  +   1210d ago
Guess we will see Forza 4 with 4 discs :|
blackburn5  +   1210d ago
By the time Forza 4 comes out late next year no one but fanboys will care. Everyone who wanted GT5 would have brought it and all it's problems will be fixed with patches. Several of Sony's games would have raised the bar again for game play and graphics and they will have already started on GT6. So in short, it's not going to matter. While fanboys go on about a year old GT5 being beaten by Forza 4 we will be busy playing more games that your systems has to 'beat'. Sorry. @ TheDynamo if Poly doesn't listen to their fanbase how do you explain the recent patch that fixes many complaints fans made e.g. removing the HUD? Think before you write.
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James Vanderbeek  +   1210d ago
I can already bet you 20 million dollars the media will praise forza 4 for its glory. and says its the new racing sim. i hav played past forza and i can tell you it doesnt hold anything to gt5 or past gt games. the online is a little better than gt5 but they are updating that and u can do more customization in forza but gt5 is updating that too. but racing wise gt owns all forza games. and gt5 is packed with so much stuuf your head will explode.

its funny how these things pan out. check out this time line below.

gt5 finally getting a release date.. media doing all these positive previews of the game.. MS hmmm we dont like this. game comes out. reviews start. media bashes the game as mush as they can but tries to down play it. MS hey were releasing forza 4!!!!
ocnkng  +   1210d ago
Excellent analysis bro. I actually totally agree. Its a simple fact that all these corporate controlled websites can be bought over easily by M$ given the sort of cash that they have. And lets face the truth, 90% of the reviews that bitc**ed about GT5 was pure nitpicking. 'Badly rendered bushes and trees', 'Windscreens don't scratch when damaged', 'Confusing UI' They even talked about the B-Spec mode and the course maker like it hurt the game when they were actually additional content. The fact is GT5 has content of at least 200 hours and to think that IGN gave expansion pack Halo:ODST a 90+ score in spite of having a 5 hour campaign and old Halo 3 maps...Hello I mean are you serious?? The media circus that we saw with GT5 really opened my eyes.
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baodeus  +   1209d ago
so technically u mean forza can't even compete against GT1 back in PS1/ps2 consoles? Really? C'mon man, that taking a bit far don't u think.

This shitz is stupid. Both game are great so buy which ever for the console that you owned. If you own both, buy both. I don't see why not if you like racing games. Each has their own offerings.
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ULTIMATE_REVENGE  +   1210d ago
After playing GT5 for 3+ weeks I personally think GT5 has failed to deliver. Yamauchi messed up on so many things that it makes me wonder if this game was truly in development for 5 years or 3 years.

The graphics are an inconsistent mess and the UI is just awful, if GT5's achieved anything then it's achieved in making me loose my interest in the Gran Turismo franchise.

I don't really like Forza but I'm looking forward to see where it's heading.
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ocnkng  +   1210d ago
'The graphics are an inconsistent mess' stopped reading right there.
ULTIMATE_REVENGE  +   1210d ago
Do you have eyes? does the game not have premium and standard cars? don't the environments look like that fo a PS2 game?

Dirt 3's environments look better, GT5's a mixed bag of good and ugly graphics, that's what hence why I said INCONSISTENT.

You most likely don't have the game you fanboy.
dragon82  +   1210d ago
Look, I respect your opinion but I have to disagree. I have no problems with the graphics of GT5. They are better than most of the so called AAA games this generation. People need to get over the fact that the game took forever to release and stop nitpicking it to death. Either you like the game or you don't. Real GT fans love it and at the end of the day thats all that matters.
Perkel  +   1209d ago
@ ULTIMATE_REVENGE

You don't have eyes either.
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Japes  +   1210d ago
Forza will NEVER equal GT5 for 1 reason....SPACE. The space provided by blu ray allowed PD to fill the disk to capacity. That includes real time weather, 50,000 polygon cars (premium) times 16 cars in one reace all running close to 60FPS at native 1080p calculated damage collision and mechanical damage, eye toy real time headtracking, engine tire and car-wear, all in one race. Not counting all the content on the disk. The processor alone on the 360 can't do that and it would take 5 to 6 dvd's to equal the space. As for graphics, the more detail, the less content, thats why some things in Gt dont look as good as others, there is so much processor stuff going on in one race that they probably cut look in order for the game to be as great as it is. I personally don't care how a tree looks while I'm doing 110 MPH past it. Sorry Forza fans, compared to Gt5 it's simple numbers, numbers Forza will never have. You can't argue with the numbers.
ULTIMATE_REVENGE  +   1210d ago
All I can say is, that space wasn't used well at all.
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HungryGoku  +   1210d ago
Dude your a 360 fanboy being bias is your job no matter what they did wouldn't make you happy.

Let's see you make a game oh wait you cant cause you probaly work at a bakery give away your Gt5 copy if you don't like it problem solved.
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n4gisatroll  +   1210d ago
@ ultimate_revenge

Your really crazy to think that gt5 is a waste of space. It's seriously my fab racer right now. I played forza 3 for awhile and the games physics just aren't up to par. It's decent for what it is but you really can't compare the two games. Just because turn 10 tells you their better then PD doesn't mean its true.
baodeus  +   1209d ago
dude, get your fact straight.

1. GT5 It is not 1080p native and lack AA.
2. How much space does GT5 actually take up -> that how much DVD u would need so is GT5 50gig? I don't think so.
3. Why are u touting mechanical damage and such when other games have it as well and probably better.

People on here don't really think do they. c'mon if you want to argue, at least, get your fact straight.

Although the general review is that Forza has been higher than GT. Who cares about the rating if you prefer GT5. But in general that what it is. I don't see fanboy complaining when Sony getting high rated games (UC2)? WTF is this one sided thinking on n4g?
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Dr-Zoidberg  +   1209d ago
This one sided thinking is fanboyism and it runs deep through N4G veins. A lot of you are a joke!

Oh merry Christmas btw :p
xtremegamerage  +   1210d ago
I don't really see what needs fixing on GT5.

It's a sim.

You have to drive around the track as you would really.

I've tested many cars and have a good wheel for it.

The seasonal event atm which the lap time is 36secs, is hard. You have to get it all correct. I'm at 39secs. But will try to better that.

GT5 and Forza3 are different games to suit different people
n4gisatroll  +   1210d ago
I fully agree!!!
jonse  +   1210d ago
Forza has been rated higher than every GT game since it entered the market back in 2005, no reason why Forza 4 will not continue the trend.

GT4 89, GT5 Prologue 80, GT PSP 74, GT5 84

Forza 1 92, Forza 2 90, Forza 3 92

(It's so funny seeing all the disagrees from the simpletons that can't stand to see the facts, or maybe just don't understand numbers.)
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Lirky  +   1210d ago
I think with Forza Motorsports Customization options from decals/colors etc. i think thats why it trumpted gt franchise.

But i like and prefer gt's car mechanic tweaking.
Haro  +   1210d ago
@ jonse ~ Funny how you leave out all the other GT scores out of your "equation". Forza is not a sim for 4 clear & undeniable reasons ~

1) Always on assist ~ http://www.youtube.com/watc...
2) Inaccurate driving physics
3) Inaccurate tracks
4) REWIND
jonse  +   1209d ago
Did you not read my comment? These were GT scores since Forza entered the market. GT1,2 and 3 were indeed great for their day but there was no other equivalent game on the market at that time.

Your other arguments are pretty lame general assumptions, inaccurate tracks, physics? whatever you say. Here's some inaccuracy - terrible damage, AI, 80% of cars non premium taken from PS2.
Haro  +   1206d ago
It's fact what I have said about Forza. It seems you are the one who has reading comprehension issues because for some odd reason you cannot understand my point. I wonder why? They are truthful and factual but you don't want to see it that way because of a blind ignorance for whatever reason.

The real Nurb Karussell
http://img713.imageshack.us...

And Forza's "version" of reality
http://img46.imageshack.us/...

That cannot be denied as I said in my original post but again for some weird reason you just don't get it. Additionally the always on assist shows/proves it's inaccurate driving physics. Do I need to say it again how this cannot be denied? But yet we all know you will try to do so in some crazy way without any supportive proof...just your "words" and they don't mean $#@! because you have no proof unlike myself and others.

Actually this is futile so I will just end it with this ~ the FACT is what I have said is PROVEN, no matter what you tend to "believe" & say.
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GigaGaia  +   1210d ago
In the screenshots, GT5 looks better then Forza 4.
PRHB HYBRiiD  +   1210d ago
graphics aint everything.
GigaGaia  +   1210d ago
It's not just the graphics, GT5 still beats Forza 4 in every way.
VictoriousB13  +   1210d ago
Forza 4 isn't even out yet you ignorant fanboy.
turgore  +   1210d ago
thats why it got inferior scores everywhere !
Sikct9a  +   1210d ago
GT5 took a hit from keeping it pro. Its a shame because they were able to deliver more and yet they graded it down.
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