With so many games on sale, are developers actually suffering from devaluing their games while not making up for it in an increase in sales?
I don't think so. Some people wouldn't buy some games if they were not on sale.
Considering that none of the games that steam sells is physical and the majority of them are older titles, its nice extra income for these companies that didn't have to spend any extra to get.
How does it hurt the devs? STEAM has already paid for each license that they sell. What does it matter to the dev the price that STEAM discounts it to? The devs already got their money! (in most cases)
Indeed. I'm sure I don't speak only for myself when I say that these sales make me buy games I never would have bought otherwise.
Just bought Just Cause 2. I know it got decent reviews, but I never felt compelled to buy it, but now it's freaking $7.50. I'll definitely give it a try.
i love jc2, really fun game
I bought FEAR2 and AC2. Yes, I know both games were well reviewed, one more so than the other. However, for my personal taste (I like RTS and RPGs) I would have never purchased them for $60. Now that they were both sub $15 I picked them up without thinking twice.
I bought nine games and two expansions and also gifted Civ IV + expansions to my brother so we can play together. I absolutely 100% would not have purchased the majority of those games. Since, they were on sale for such a good price, I bought up a few good titles. Civ IV and its expansions for $6, The Witcher Director's Cut for $5, Super Meat Boy and a few other indie titles.
this sale helps move a lot of software that other wise might not be brought
I have a ton of games off Steam which I would have never bought, but the sales always get me... currently, I mean, how could I resist that Rockstar pack? Sure, I already have GTA4 and San Andreas on PC, and some of the other games on there on PS2, but $40 for all GTAs, Max Payne (YESSS), and Bully? And Episodes from Liberty City? On PC? *clicks add to cart* Oh, when I saw Trine for about $5 earlier this year, *clicked add to cart* Or, "ZOMG it's Torchlight, the game similar to Diablo that I never really intended to buy due to my Blizzard fanboy mindset but there's this cheeaaap sale on it..." *clicked add to cart* The beauty of Steam sales and impulse buying.
I highly doubt they would put stuff on sale if it was hurting them.
I've bought like 7 indie titles in the last two weeks thanks to Steam's treasure hunt and Holiday sale. Edit: Make that 8, just bought Trials 2.
That treasure hunt was pure evil/genius! I bought three games from the treasure hunt. And seven games from the Christmas sale and I'm sure I'll buy more before it's through.
the publishers set prices so no i don't believe this is hurting them half the games people buy probably wouldn't have been bought if they weren't on sale well read the comments and you have developers defending the sales and there's your answer to the question of if the sales are ethical for the developers
Yup. The comments below the article pretty much answer the article's concerns. Judging by all the hats I see on TF2, there must be a ridiculous number of people who buy games just to get a TF2 hat. (Although only a few games get promoted in that fashion)
Its actually causing alot of developers to go under.. Most developers hate steam. Its good to valve
read the comments on the site and please do say what devs have gone under because of valve last time I heard Steam saved a dev http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...
lol no, Microsoft and other competitors who publish games hate steam they want to ban any of their games on steam to prevent them from dominating PC gaming
Won't hurt the devs at all, Steam sales actually help devs a fair bit. If it hurts the publishers I couldn't care less tbh.
Steam sales make me buy games I don't even want!! I've been tricked into buying Rogue Warrior!!
The bundled deals be at such a great price, its like you have no choice but to buy them. I do hate how Valve moves games around in different bundles though. If you're not careful you'll end up buying a game multiple times because of a "good deal". Other than that, I love steam. I honestly believe EVERY PC GAME SHOULD BE RELEASED ON STEAM. I love the interface and the tile system of all your games. It just feels complete.
@CrzyFooL LMFAO. You've killed me. Are you happy? Murderer!
So you can either A. Have some money B. Have people pirate your game Your choice ;)
Steam sales are amazing and I'm pretty sure they couldn't sell digital versions of the games at those prices without the publisher consenting to it or getting whatever cut they need/want from the sale. Bought like 4 games the first day of the sale for less than £15 lol...so goood
Another website that doesn't have a clue what they are talking about. This is what Valve had to say with regard to sales of their own titles :- Here are the numbers Newell shared from Valve's experiments with "sale" pricing: * 10% off = 35% increase in sales (real dollars, not units shipped) * 25% off = 245% increase in sales * 50% off = 320% increase in sales * 75% off = 1470% increase in sales Newell then says when they decrease the price by 75%, they are making 15% more than when they were charging at full price -- though. http://www.techdirt.com/art... So are steam sales hurting developers ........ hm nope doesn't look like it. In fact it looks like they make MORE money during sales.
i do wounder if the increase is because the price itself, or if its because "sale" is tagged onto the price? if the former, games should really be cheaper, and what Charmers post seems to back me up, in it being a good idea for publishers and consumers.
Before I have no plan to buy Super Meat Boy. Then it went on sale for $3.75 I bought it and gift it to several friends. A few of them have no idea what SMB is. Now they know and that means they will spread words about the game to their friends and the developer name will be more familiar to people. So is this sale a bad thing for developers? No. It actually helps.
. http://pc.gamespy.com/artic... http://www.mcvuk.com/news/4... how much does it cost devs to produce a non digital copy of a game?? $0 how much do they sell it for maybe $10 maybe!! win+win = PC gaming!!
hope everything i got planned stays that way. hopefully in february i can buy me a gaming pc. then i will use/buy things off steam. from my looking on there seems to me they have great deals all the time
You may want to look for good deals during the holiday sale, even if you can't play the games yet. It's the best sale of the year, and it ends on January 2.
as ct03 says you might want to buy the games now. It doesn't matter if you can't download and play them yet you can just buy them then when you are ready you can download and play them. There is no time limit for you to download any of your purchases, you can leave a bought game "undownloaded" for years and it will still be there, ready for you to download.
thanks for that info. i have always been a console gamer, but in recent times i have been changing my mind on that stance. pc's are less expensive now, even the gaming ones, and i can do more with them. also i can enjoy a better experience 9 times outta 10 on the pc. hell, with buying everything, pre- built, i can spend 800 to 1000 dollars 1000 being the absolute most i'd need and get everything. with no worries of upgrading for atleast 3 yrs, and even then if i decide too i can get away with sinking a few dollars into a better graphics card. even then i would stay ahead of even the "next-gen" consoles. i been looking on ibuypower.com, either i will use that, or i will use that and with a friends help ( hes a pc tech head) maybe "make my own". either way i think i will be happier. also in the long run i believe i will break even. if i add up my hdtv, and what i have spent on my 360, and ps3, including games, im in the hole compared to just going the pc route. lot of people have misconceptions on pc gaming. anyways thanks again, and i will surely keep that in mind.
Definitely make your own if you've got a friend who knows his stuff. Also, pop over to the Steam Hardware and OS forum, we're always happy to design a build within a budget.
Steam has been a key component to making the Indie game a solid reality. Regardless of how you feel about Valve, prices, piracy, console vs PC, DRM... it just doesn't matter. All that matters is, everyone has a stake in a service like Steam working for all those involved in the process. Whether it be Valve-Developers-Consumers. Now, Steam might not always be around. It might not always be the best option in the future. But, right now, it's really the forerunner and the most successful of any system in place at this time. It will probably be just as relevant in 10 years. Which, I think, is a pretty safe prediction.
Yeah, probably the best year ever for PC Indie games - and I think that's in no small part thanks to Steam.
the whole valve collection for £24.99 has just been purchased by myself. bargain.
...? I saw it for $25 too, but I figured I'd grab it later in the day. I come back and it's $50. FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU- Is it still £25 for y'folks across the pond? Granted, I have almost all the valve games anyways, but I figured it'd make a good gift.
The orange box is on sale here in the UK with 50% off which makes it £8.49 http://store.steampowered.c... The complete Valve collection is on sale at 79% off and comes in at £24.99 http://store.steampowered.c... I would imagine these deals are still available for US customers (I am assuming you are a US customer since you mentioned dollars).
Aye. Linking to the store page just shows me american prices. OrangeBox is $8 (was like $7.50 a few weeks ago) Valve pack is $50 at 72% off... it was $25 for a short period of time. Usually £1 = $1. Oh well, great deal for y'europeans. =)
I'm loving this sale. Their are many games that I think aren't even worth full price. I'm finally able to pick up games at very good prices. :)
considering I would NEVER, EVER have bought Defence Grid or puzzle quest or Burnout Paradise....they (the devs of said games)got some free money from me they would have never seen for $20 or $30 because racing and tower defence and puzzle games do not intrest me beyond the ...hey....it's $2 That's why apples app store is so succesful...even if it's crap...it's only .99 The Steam sale craps on kmart....bestbuy...target....g amestop....xboxlive....psn....a nd every other outlet for purchasing games... PC GAMES FTW!!!
@fatoldman http://store.steampowered.c... still £25 over this end of the pond. and ive only just bought a gaming pc few days ago so you can imagine how happy i am to have the valve collection to play through for a superb price. im loving this pc gaming stuff. as much as i love console gaming (xbox/ps3) i can see the hype with pc games been far better graphics and alot cheaper. counter strike source/day of defeat source here we come. if any one wants a game pm me for my steam i.d
Damn im broke at this moment but this friday is on baby! im gonna spend a $100 on them games.
sigh console gamers... so foolish. This is how its supposed to work, higher price day 1, good sale prices later on. The way it works on console, high price day 1, off the shelves a month later, bought for cheap used giving devs no money.
agree with ya kev to some point. when it comes to yearly releases it gets a bit annoying paying new. i.e tiger woods games i bought all the dlc for 2010 then had to pay again for the same dlc for 2011. now that is annoying so i bought pre owned for £12.95 and bought the online activation after leaving me spare money to buy the dlc for 2011 that i already owned from 2010 which in my eyes was the same map same holes same par. but i know im taking money from the dev but.... the devs should not sell a map a year later for the same price.
It's money the developers weren't seeing anyways so it's a win/win. Plus it's digital so no physical media cost. What is the point of this article anyways? wow N4G keeps getting more and more troll threads.
I thought that Valve bought digital licenses from the developers/publishers, for whatever set price. Similar to how brick and mortar shops buy physical copies. The licenses are paid for. Valve can turn around and sell them off for whatever they want. Its win-win-win. Publishers get paid, gamers get great deals, and Valve gets happy and new customers. If you look at the big picture, this probably gets Valve more profit in the long run.
Tis the season! Sure the suicide rate increases but damn games are cheap!
I bought Alien vs Predator for usd5. Heck i bought FEAR Complete for usd10. MAN! Its 2 full games will all the DLCs and expansions! Crazy crazy sales. Developers win, valve win and most importantly consumers win!!!
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