Andriasang: Toshiba is currently in negotiations to sell its Nagasaki semiconductor manufacturing plant to Sony. The plant is used to manufacture the CELL chips that are used in the PlayStation 3.
Wait, wait, wait -- Didn't Sony sell the Cell Plant to Toshiba at one time? Toshiba had bought this from Sony if I recall. What's going on here? http://www.gamespot.com/new... There's my proof.
well it seem Toshiba sold it back. consider they only use it on tv and sony have more broader product using this chip having cell manufacture close to sony is very good strategy move since they are the biggest role on cell industry (ps3, and possibly psp2) will probably improve the design and quality of cell and makes ps3 cheaper. this probably sony strategy to make PSP2 on price range.
"having cell manufacture close to sony is very good strategy move since they are the biggest role on cell industry (ps3, and possibly psp2) will probably improve the design and quality of cell and makes ps3 cheaper." From the article: Sony hopes to purchase the plant and convert it to the production of chips for use in high definition digital cameras and smart phones, demand for which is expanding greatly.
This sell will allow Sony to produce Cell for even cheaper (In time for PS3 price cut). Sony plan to have Cells in all their electronic devices. Imagine that: The power of the PS3, in a Sony Walkman. The future will be here soon...
Toshiba has done little with the CELL and Sony can use it to continue to make awesome specialized products with it. As far as I see it, everyone would win.
I believe they (sony) bought it for less than what they sold it to lol so it seems it turned out better that way.
Sony sold their share to Toshiba. What cracks me up is Toshiba isn't happy with how the Cell has done outside of gaming. What exactly has Toshiba done with the Cell? Finally there's a report of them putting it in a TV. How about coming up with ideas Toshiba? The Cell could be used for a lot of things if Toshiba wanted to use it.
There is probably more than one plant. Sony need to keep making Cell processors or the PS3 and the article says that this plat is going to make chips for cameras and smart phones.
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Can we say even lower manufacturing costs. Sony know what they are doing.
Yeah, this may be good to cut the production costs even more. That will eventually lead to a price cut so people can buy a PS3 just in time to play the AWESOME lineup that is to come next year. :D
This could result in lower manufacturing costs for Sony, in the long run. Which means, cheaper PS3s in the future.
Now that they have the chip size down, and thus more affordable to mfr...and the overall cost of the PS3 is waaaay down from launch...this makes a ton of sense for Sony. And if they do indeed have Cell (or some variation) in PSP2, it will blow away any handheld device ever made.... even iPad. Not to mention, this shows their long-term commitment to the chip; PS4 with twin Cells anyone? EDIT: Wow...a disagree already? I suppose I shouldn't be surprised...it's N4G after all, where telling the truth, and/or making positive, logical statements will ALWAYS get disagrees from stupid fanboys. So pathetic. Funny thing is, most people would label me a MS fanboy...
You probably got a disagree because the article says that Sony is converting the factory to produce chips for high definition digital cameras and smart phones.
I'd be OK with a quicker CELL. I just don't want Sony to try to reinvent the wheel again with a totally new architecture. The CELL seems pretty capable with a good software dev tools. More RAM and a newer GPU would be great, especially if an updated CELL would still allow them to utilize the tricks that have already been developed, like MLAA via CELL. I think a next generation CELL could work pretty well if Sony eliminated the PS3's bottlenecks of RAM and GPU in the PS4 and let developers continue to build upon previously developed techniques. That strategy could pay big dividends if the next generation Gran Turismo or Killzone could be completed in half the time or less instead of 5 or 6 years. Developers would be much happier than they were early in the PS3's life cycle.
Good! go for the gold sony.
Sony sold this to Toshiba to get the money on the front end to help the PS3 when it was rocky, now that it is set in a good foot hold Sony can buy it back and not risk anything. That is my best guess on what is happening. Smart move on Sony's part.
price drop... price drop ... price drop...
PS3 has to be 199.99 in Spring 2011
Definately. PS3 for 199 is coming next year.
that would be pretty good for the chipset for the ps3 and the next playstation platform. pretty good stuff.
Smart move. Selling it to Toshiba to begin with years ago generated some quick cash flow to the PS3 manufacturing expense in the early days when some quick money was needed, and now that the money flows in steadily from PS3 sales, they buy the plant back which will reduce the cost of manufacturing, so maybe this can lead to another price drop for the PS3.
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Sony buys back Toshiba's Cell plant for 50 billion yen, makes a killing and plans a CMOS fab By Sean Hollister posted Dec 22nd 2010 2:44PM Japanese news sources are reporting that the company's selling its Nagasaki manufacturing plant back to Sony for 50 billion yen, or roughly $597 million in US money. Considering that Toshiba originally purchased the semiconductor facility for 100 90 billion yen (then $835 million) back in 2008 http://www.engadget.com/201...
Man.. Looks like Sony got a fair deal from this.. Toshiba probably got a great deal too since they made the chips for Sony. Both sides win in this case. Maybe we can see a $200 PS3 soon? :)
Haha Camera's!!....Really?? Smokescreen...Do we really believe Sony are primarily manufacturing Cell chips just for Camera's? ...c'mon, common sense people. It's obvious it's a move to lower PS3 costs and have full operative control of the manufacturing. I firmly believe this news has something to do with PS4 as well. Cell was hard to program, but developers have mostly sussed it, plus it would make sense keeping the Cell design. Too much cost involved not too, plus it would be a waste of developers resources and hard work if Cell was abandoned next gen. Anyone with half a business brain can see the 'Camera' thing is Sony's attempt to throw the competition off. You never show the other guy how you plan to compete. Sorry, but 75% of N4G users are as thick as hardened clay. The other 25% is why I even still bother with this site Lol
Japanese news sources are reporting that the company's selling its Nagasaki manufacturing plant back to Sony for 50 billion yen, or roughly $597 million in US money. Considering that Toshiba originally purchased the semiconductor facility for 100 90 billion yen (then $835 million) back in 2008. Now thats how invest your money, awesome stuff Sony. M$ take notes don't throw $500 million on ads.
This is great news. Toshiba and IBM sucks at making electronics, semiconductor and other devices. No wonder early PS3 CPU's YLOD. Just leave it to Sony to make a long lasting reliable cutting edge CPU's. I wish they would implement this on Sony's Vaio and stop relying on AMD and Intel's processor. $99 PS3 in a matter of time.
agree my friend but Sony in this case would also now need to buy more stock in bluray as well as they are among the top share holders of the tech. By doing this they can afford to pay less for bluray development costs. though this http://www.gamerevolution.c... is also good news in some ways
They cant buy anymore they already own more than matsushita, they can do what they like with it.
@khamvongsa09 but for also other embedded devices that Sony may be looking into development on. there indeed may even be more to this than just getting the PS3 cost's down. if you notice the smartphones were talked about for the Cell processor...as you may already know the Cell makes one heck of a GPU function's for CPU's in general no other CPU's upuntil recently have been able to keep pace with some GPU's well Hybris packaged embedded processor's have advanced quite well lately and here's an idea why Sony may be very excited to get this Cell processor Production plant back. http://images.dailytech.com... one of the thing's that not many people are looking at is where this may be going check out the seabird phone Forget The Facebook Phone, Here’s Mozilla Seabird — An Open Web Concept Phone MG Siegler Sep 23, 2010 http://techcrunch.com/2010/...
i swear, some of you guys have no idea. sony buying the manufacturing plant means NOTHING for the PS4 - they dont do research and development to create new chips at manufacturing plants lol. IBM scrapped DEVELOPMENT on the Cell CPU - its not going any further than it is currently. it wont be used in the PS4. Sony can buy the MANUFACTURING plant and make as many Cell chips as they want - but they wont be any more powerful than the one thats in the PS3. and if you think for one second that the PS4 will have the same CPU as the PS3, im not even gonna waste my time telling you how wrong you are.
so...what you are saying is they couldn't reduce the size of the chip even more so than what it is now and make their next console like Nintendo did with their wii system with older chip sets only double chip sets for a more powerful yet familiar architecture? http://www.psuni.com/ibm-ca... So what does this mean for Sony and the PlayStation 4? It has long been understood that the platform holder wants to use the Cell processor once again, allowing them to take advantage of this generation’s research and to make the transition into the next much smoother. Will this change with IBM pulling out of their own development? Not necessarily. Sony can still hire IBM to create a Cell Processor for their next console, without IBM being involved in their own internal development outside of the PS4. So don’t start counting Sony’s chickens just yet. What(according to you) this also means is that Sony is wasting their time and money they couldn't possibly use to afford another price drop on the ps3? 'checks his tie"
No - IBM did not scrap development of Cell. Old FUD story... Cell does great at multimedia apps, video encoding etc. So it will be no surprise if Sony puts it into their video cameras and cameras. Will make sense. Also it will drive down production costs. PS4 version of the Cell CPU will most likely be different. And remember it is about the process they use to make the chips. This plant will most likely not be suitable for Cell V2.
an "i quote" @IHateYouFanboys sony buying the manufacturing plant means NOTHING for the PS4 - they dont do research and development to create new chips at manufacturing plants lol. really? your going to sit there an make a claim like that..you sure? because if you are you better be sure. because! even when sony sold the chip production lines in the first place! Report: Sony exiting Cell production through Toshiba JV back in 2007 A) Meanwhile, a proposed joint venture between Sony and Toshiba (majority owned by Toshiba) would use the lines to fabricate system chips, with Sony the primary product buyer. Sony also will have a say in the JV's management, possibly with its game unit Sony Computer Entertainment Inc., the paper noted. an B) "Still, Sony will maintain development capabilities, including chip design, perceiving these operations still add value to finished products, the paper reported." http://www.electroiq.com/in... as you can see they do infact design an develop new chip's even when they sold the production line. an now they bought it back,hmm i wonder why...they bought it back..lol
The Cell BE is good enough to go into a PS4 right now and be very efficient. The weakness to the PS3 is it's Risc graphics accelerator and it's lack of ram. Use the Cell but enable all 8 SPU's with an increase clock speed and provide the Ps4 with more system ram and a GPU with some balls and you will have a much higher performing system that could easily match mid range PC's in graphics.
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