IGN gave the gameplay/controls a 4.5 out of 10 in the review they did.
The overall average should be 6.7, if you do the math. Why give points in each area, as well as a overall total, when you're not even going to use the overall as an 'average'.
it's up to IGN on how they review and score a game, to make the change the blogger suggests. IGN will have to go back and change every score.
With all the time spent criticizing IGN, people should just rent the game and try it themselves.
Yup, more crybaby news from biased blogs/forums. If you think it has awesome controls and is a superb game, stop whining and go play it.
IGN says the final score is NOT an average...something a lot of reviewers do
overall this is just lame...6.7 is nothing to be proud of
I believe the term you are looking for is "weighted average", meaning each catagory is given a numerical weight with respect to the other catagories, which is fine, but IGN should at least clearify how the scores ar weighted. to be honest, the way its done is PURE BS since, as far as we know, the overall score is not dependent on the sum of the individual scores. It is for this very reason that I dont really put much stock in review scores. All you have is some lazy arse journalist who doesnt have anything better to do with his life then critique video games.....you REALLY think your gonna get an objective and unbiased review???
no reviews are unbiased or objective.. it's impossible to not be subjective, that's the whole point of reviewing
they don't like the game because they think it sucks so they give it a bad score.. what exactly is the problem here? stop trying to justify why EVERY SINGLE reviewer thinks the game sucks
while it is true that no review is perfectly objective, it should certainly be unbiased. another reason I don't like video game reviews is that there is virtually no accountability, which is what I pointed out above. unfortunately, your failed to pick up on this. I am not saying the game was good or the game was bad. MY point is that one shouldn't place to much faith on review scores. can you understand that?
the reason they give scores in each category, is so you see how well it did in each category. Each category is not equally important. By making it an average, you would have presentation just as important as gameplay. Are the menus as important as how the game plays??? Of course not.
I should not of had to write down something that obvious, as it should be common sense.
PS: Since when are crappy pointless whiny blogs approved at N4G?
since 15 billion years ago
6.7 is still crap, Lair sucks balls, get over it, play Warhawk instead, stop approving this garbage.
I love my PS3. I wanted this machine, because the franchises I love are on the PS3. I am happy with my purchase, and don't flinch at what I paid for it. Scream Halo, scream whatever. I will not buy another machine this generation. Seriously.
But Lair was terrible. The score it got from IGN and the like is SPOT ON. The game is a crap fest, in my opinion (Remember this phrase). Why do we continue to defend this monstrosity? Can anyone honestly tell me what they like about this game? And why does it seems like a lot of Playstation hardcores want to salvage this game? Why not use Persona 3? Yes it is a PS2 game, but NOTHING on either machine (Xbox 360, or Wii) is anything like it. Warhawk? The game is brutal fun. It should be all we are talking about right now.
Let this game die the death it deserves... With a whimper.
Why do people defend this little game as if every single low review score is a personal attack on the Playstation 3 itself?
Time to move on there will be many many more exclusives like this to come that could be bad or good but I couldn't agree with you anymore on this game.
I bought it and its not bad. I'm not defending the game but some people that have bought the game and felt that 4.9 is not a justify score might want na say something. Personally I wouldnt do like this guy, I'm just gonna tell my friens that this game is good regardless of what review said, and they should certainly try it.
the scores DO add up to 6.7
IGN gave it low scores on the most IMPORTANT part of the game..
The game play and Length.....
I for one don't play games for Sounds and Visuals hah..
I'm playing though the game, and truth is. The game is VERY HARD!
It gives me neck and back pain. This is a game for very coordinated people (not nerds)
Sorry to be rude but if you can't catch a football then this is simply not the game for you. You will hate it.
Also I have some doubt the reviewers past the level, (Bridge of the
ancients) If you can manage to pass that part of the game the next part has very beautiful graphics. I will agree that the controls suck butt!
My wife rubs my neck after every game. I will not give up into I beat it.
Lair sucks get over it. Average of 58.5%. Enjoy playing b3yond.
I love how idiotic people in the world love to speak for others and make themselves look bad. don't knock a game just because you haven't played it and i'm not just talking about this one, people that wanna play games that others hate go for it don't be influenced by idiots like this^ honestly please have a mind of your own, judge a game after you played it not when you don't even own that console. sad just sad.
better than Two Worlds lol wait and "almost" better than Blue Dragon
Icewake you are lower then a fanboy. You get a new title, DRAMA QUEEN.
from this moment on I will refer to icewake as drama queen.
After I bore from his comments I shall hit ignore.
I'm pretty sure he's referring to the user idontcare who posted this.
Why are some nobody's private blog posts posted here? Who gives a damn what some "teh gamr" thinks?
agreed, this is lame, and ive never seen a website's review of a game be so scrutinized and dragged out into a big deal
blue dragon, fatal inertia, and two worlds SUCKS.
and microsoft had the nerve to say two worlds is the most epic rpg ever. what a load of bull. so how bout you go jump in............................ .............................an d by that i mean, the box you sent your 360 in for repair
um no it was the developer that stated "two words is the most epic rpg ever"
Microsoft didn't say two worlds was the most epic RPG ever, that was the two worlds devs.
"and microsoft had the nerve to say two worlds is the most epic rpg ever."
Give us all a link to this, we're waiting.
Face it, lair is a horrible game. Get over it, why you think every game that is an exclusive on your console is beyond me. Really sad.
Blue Dragon, Fatal Inertia, and Two Worlds DO suck. So does Lair.
I love my 360 and have a marginal like for my PS3(only because of Warhawk).
sony fans wont let this game die because it doesn't deserve the reviews it been getting. Sure the motion controls arent the greatest but they do work fairly well, about as good as wii sports. as far as reaction times, and there is more meat to lair than there is to wii sports yet wii sports scored better wtf?!!! Thats my only problem with the review they treat wii sports like a god yet they thrash lair. Also when you give a game a 4.5 we gamers tend to think something is truly broken in a game which is not the case with lair. Lair is pretty much ROugue squadron from the gamecube days which was well revered. So if they rate halo really low, and its pretty much the same as halo 2 don't be surprised. It seems like what was fun once is not fun again to reviewers
let them run their site they way they want too
I've played the game and I know for a fact that the controls are just plain not adequate. Thats about all there is to say about it. There are a couple of other problems with the game but they could be easily overlooked with a solid control scheme. It's just a shame that a game with so much potential could be knocked for something that all gamers have come to expect: good controls. If given the option for analog controls along with optional motion controls I think the game would change from "rental" to "purchase" in alot of people's minds.
IGN, what is there to say, they review how they see fit. Only one review should count and that should be your own. So if you don't like what an online gaming site has to say, well then go rent the dam game for yourself instead of arguing about it on a fuggin message board.
What use is a game if it is not fun to play (IGN GAMEPLAY = 4.5), and that once you play once through the game... you have no desire to play it ever again (IGN LASTING APPEAL = 5.5)
I would argue that gameplay and lasting appeal are the two most important aspects to consider before you drop 60 bucks on a new game
And if not that, IGN has the right to rate their games however they see fit.
Sony boys still trying to find ways to make Lair sound better than it really is. Pathetic.
I just finished Lair, and I've got to say, the game is pretty freaking unbelievable.....in a good way. There were times toward the end of the game, where i forgot i was even playing a game, i was IN the game. Most people who complain about the controls need to give it a shot anyways. Play the training missions, get used to the controls. It seems a lot of people have a hard time doing the 180 maneuver, its actually quite simple, lift the controller up, thats all. don't snap it back or anything else, just lift it up...its so simple. anyways, this game is an epic experience. If i spent the money on going to the movies instead i would have paid over 100$ for a lesser experience...its not THAT short of a game. I'm happy, screw you people. :)
just sayin zall.
they lost their Credibility.
lair is better than a 6.7, but when u dont have a gun in your hand like in HS you fucxed up too.. stranglhold over HS???? haha..haha..good joke.
the biggest fucxfest is about dirt ps3=360!
"they lost their Credibility."
-says the man who has NO credibility
stop defending a game that has gotten universally poor reviews....
there are much better games to play on the ps3
IGN pretty lame. "we were unable to play the game, because we cant learn. it gets a 4."
People should really stop trying to give explanations and excuses for the game and get over it, this is what happens when u hype somethings so much without first sitting down and looking at the real product. if anyone remmeber Too human e3 2006 was the same case. they built it so much and it came crashing down.
Just count ur losses and try to improve the next game instead of wasting so much money and effort into ramming this game down people and critics throat. it does not look good on sony
People forget that IGN is not the only site that has given this game a sh*t review. EVERY gaming site/mag have also said similiar comments. It's a complete failure. Stop trying to defend it.
I dont care if every reviewer said its not good, I bought Lair and I LOVE it ! Maybe the reviewers need to play Lair with their hands out of their pockets? they may do better. And I dont try to push the game in anybody's throat but I am as much entitled to my opinion as any reviewer.
Long Live Lair !
videogame journalists is coming under fire; Lair was simply one of several titles that got people to notice.
Some people just do not know how to use the Sixaxis.Thats gotta be it.
After reading through some the comments above, I realized something profound.....
Since reviews are merely subjective impressions of a game, and since all opinions are equally valid, I decided to write my own review of lair...here goes....
7.5 - Presentation
8.0 - Graphics
10.0 - Sound
8.0 - OVERALL
My opinion is as valid as IGN!
There are tons of different types of averages. It's not that "Lair" should be 6.7. But indeed, WHY BOTHER grading several aspects of the game when in the end they're not gonna matter for the review? It's not only LAIR. The same applies to heavenly sword.
The final grade should reflect the value of the entertainment experience as a whole, and not simply a subjective score of the pure gameplay, which is an abstract concept and, again, subjective. Heavenly Sword got pretty much a 9.0 on almost everything, an 8.0 in something else, and a 7.0 in gameplay. The final grade was 7.0. Why take the minimum? I really doubt IGN has a consistent metric where they give EVERY GAME the same score as the gameplay.
Even if they did, why should "gameplay", whatever that EXACTLY means, be the only thing that matters? If that's so, then why should developers even bother to make fancy characters, beautiful environments, deep storylines and rich orchestras recorded in 7.1 surround sound? Why should they bother to have such huge production values, which define what AAA means, and not just how much "fun" you have.
you, sir, are a genius!
I think you've nailed this one.
i have the game and it's great learned sixaxis controls in minutes, and the story is cool, the problem is the ms paid the reviewrs to find any stupid reason to score it low, all people i know who have and are hardcore gamers say they love it.
PS3Fanboy gave Lair a 5.5, and according to metacritic its averaging in the high 50s out of 100. IGN is obviously trying to make a point with its low score, maybe that gameplay according to it is so bad that it takes the fun away from the nice FMV sequences, the good music and mostly good graphics. I honestly once thought Lair is the start of a great winter for my PS3, well now that is going to be Ratchet & Clank and Uncharted.
Naughty Dog and Insomniac! You can always trust the good ole guys.
Oh well I bought the game and I'm having fun with it despite the reviews its all on the gamer I guess.Sixaxis is easy to use with it and how can anyone have problems with it especially after the tutorial is beyond me.
That is retarded. Anyone who averages a score is stupid. That is saying all aspects of a game are equal. Gameplay and enjoyment of a game mean a lot more than graphics or audio.
but take a look at this:
bioshock gets a 9.7 overall rating.if you take an average of all the numbers,you get 9.6.bioshock gets 9.7.
heavenly sword gets a 7.0 overall rating.if you average out all the numbers,you get 7.8 rating.but it gets a 7.0.if you average the rating of gameplay and lasting appeal,you get a 6.0.heavenly sword is not a six. http://ps3.ign.com/articles... lair got a 4.9.
average of numbers is 6.7.but lair gets 4.9.that's wrong.
if ign went on gameplay and lasting appeal for bioshock for its average,it would have been 9.25.or 9.3.it got 9.7.
how about gears of war.it got 9.4.average out its numbers,it's 9.2.but it got 9.4.
how about forza2. forza 2 got 8.9.its average of numbers is 8.1.but it got 8.9.
resistance at least beat its average by getting 9.1 instead of 8.9.
same with motorstorm and 8.9 over 8.2 average.
but the average of all the numbers at ign would work.the numbers fall within what they scored the game.but lair got slammed by getting a 4.9.way below 6.7 average.
either give one score or take an average of all the numbers put together.but right now,it just seems sloppy on ign's part.
at first you would be lead to believe that 360 games are scoring higher than their average.but since some ps3 games are beating their average,there is no conspiracy.
but as i said,an average would be better than what it is now by just drooping a number out of their @ss.lair should have gotten at least a 6.7 or 7.0.not 4.9.
but since reviews never sway me to buy because i base my decisions on what "I" like,not some other persons opinion,i will be getting lair as intended.same with warhawk and heavenly sword.
....................mag lev super train......................
bubble for researching
 I also disagree with your conclusion but at least you did some work and posted them for others to see
I agree with the above response. Well thought out and researched. Kudos on that account.
I don't agree with your conclusion, however. There's a lot to be said for objective measures. Unfortunately these are games and if the sum of a game's parts made it great, then it would be easy to create great games. As it is, many of the best games and worst games have something about them that does not equal the sum of their parts. Sometimes there's just no magic, no vibe, no fun...
A certain amount of all gaming reviews are subjective and this is going to make it distasteful some.
I like it, it's fun, it's hard. I think you'll like it too.
Btw, good research and I agree with you about IGN's scoring.
After putting some time into this game, I would have to disagree with the negative reviews. It's a fun game, and the controls aren't bad at all. I popped the disc, and started playing without any trouble. I was a little weary at first that I spent $8 on the rental, but after I started playing it, I realized it was worth it. I would actually buy this game now if I had $60. The reviewers are completely full of it. Most people will be turned off by the reviews as was I at first. The more I read the reviews, I start to wonder if they really played the game to begin with. I'd at least give it an 8. After playing this game, I don't listen to reviewers. They have been wrong in the past.
I totally agree with you.I almost didn't buy this game because of the bad reviews.My friend bought it last week and told me it was worth it and you know what, he was right.:)
listen the game is not that bad.....bought day one its an average game i do admit that the lock on system needs work but a really descent game why cant we leave it at that? a good game for the ps3. factor 5 should have ironed out a few bugs but not bad.
I bought this game yesterday and it's a great game.Any time It wasn't controlling right, it was me and not the game messing up.I'm on level 10 and it's pretty addictive. The graphics can be breath taking at times and Dog sh!t in some spots(the rock textures).8.0 so far.
I have been having a lot of fun with this game.
I guess it's the definition of niche game.
ill beat the controles dont bother that many lair owners. all the vidieo
ive seen for this game looks good. Can someone out there who owns the game tell me if its good?
It's a good addictive game man.Worth my 60$.I'm on the 10th level right now and about to play for a few more hours right now.I was up untill 600am yesterday playing.:)
*cries* wahhh they didn't give the game the score it deserved so im gonna pick apart their review! wahhhhh momma! momma! ign is mean!!
This game shouldn't score no lower than an 8. The story line is great the gameplay is solid, and the controls are second nature. I don't know what's going on in the industry, but this game is really good. I'm at the next to last level in the maelstrom. As soon as ipicked the sixaxis up and started playing I couldn't put it down. The graphics ohhh my!! what visual treat. If you're a gamer pick it up you'll see why you shouldn't listen to reviews. This game would make a great movie too.
I agree, IGN's Rating system make no sense.
Soem of these reviewers must be getting paid off. Lair is an excellent game
They review it how they want. It's up to you, as gamers, to decide whether you trust their reviews or not. If not, get the game, play it but complaining about their system doesn't change facts. Kinda reminds me of how Twilight Princess was rated. See the similarity? Did they budge? No.
It happens all the time, Someone will ask over the counter, "Have you heard of this game, how is it" ? And ther clerk Responds" Its okay, it got lousy reviews" Nobody wants to spend 60 bucks on a game that sucks, And you may say rent it first, then thats 68 bucks plus tax.
We should all be able to make up our own minds this is true, but Theres no doubt that reviews can help persuade or dissuade public interests.
Even though this is a blog, I agree with this bit of information, especially after Mag Lev's post. IGN and others could do a little better than that, I mean, c'mon, they gave Gundam Wing (Dynasty Warriors) a score over 6 for the overall game.
I won't be purchasing lair, due to these reviews,and no demo. Not to mention, that I feel that I will have a lot of GREAT titles to choose from in the coming months, So either way, its no skin off of my back.
Peace out Game fans
Stuff the reviewers. I am getting this game. The bias in the media and in reviews convinced me that the harder they knock a game on the PS3 the better it must be. Heck - Warhawk got reviews of 6, and look at the people who actually own the game. Stuff the reviewers. They don't hold sway over my enjoyment of a game. They overplayed their hands. T
he pic of the little fat couch potato grinning over the Lair review manual - heck - he should get out in the sun and lose some weight...