Gamersmint: Turn 10's Forza 4 trailer has a lot of new features which were never before seen in the game. We have it all covered for you.
Turn 10 will show PD how its done
Maybe in 10 years of development.
Well if I remember correctly Forza 3 took 1.5 years, gt 5, 6 years and well look how they turned out.
1: More new original fun tracks to race on. 2: Less DLC-milking. That's all. I don't care about a car consisting of a billion polygons. I don't care about the game having a thousand cars. I don't care about 'Kinect-support'. I just want to have some awesome cool tracks to drive those cars on.
They should give out at least half the DLC for free through some kind of VIP program like DICE. Looking forward to the game though.
GT5 took 4 years not 6. 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010. Learn to count.
Hey dumbass can you not be stupid and actually know your facts. Gt5 started originally in development on the ps2 in 2004. and its now 2010 so uhh 6 years is the right math.
Hey dumbass, can you not be stupid and think for a second? Only the cars were added from the PS2 and nothing else. Everything else was done from scratch. *facepalm*
lets wait and see some in-game visuals. I still think what makes Forza more enjoyable to the larger more casual race fan is that it offers a bit more of an arcade feel than GT, where its all serious all the time.
you have to be kidding me... forza more arcadey to GT are u joking ... forza has customization on a level GT wont dare go .. from tweaking your engine and every freaking part of your car.. to the aspect of any damage to take depending on where it is on the track actually affect how the car handles, you can change ur tire pressures of each tire to get a desired result, or adjust ur fins to an angle u like to increase or decrease drag, you can change go right into the engine and tweak the very engine itself, i can keep going but i will only make GT look 200BC.. where as GT is all cosmetic.. and you generally have only pakaged upgrades which never let you into the grime and dirt of car love and building.. as i see it GT is GT .. the difference is visuals and thats about it... gameplay.. is still trying to catch up to forza 2.. forza3 walks all over GT .. on gameplay .. looks of the 200 premium cars are absolutely stunning but thats pretty much it and for a car sim.. that doesnt just cut it.. if i am a car freak i want to see it alll... let me into the dirt and also the thrill of it.. its all part of car racing love.. u buy it ..you tweak it.. you race it... like the REAL WORLD... not in packages.. thats not real life funny pants. you add kinect and the doors just got blown open with possibilities... head tracking my dear.. turn 10 will show you how its done. FORZA 4 wil own... and it wont need over half a decade to do so..
The main gameplay element of GT5 is the handling of each individual car. From tire grip to throttle response to understeer/oversteer, the true feel of each individual model implemented in GT5 is unparalleled. For example buy the Mazda RX-7 and take it for a spin in a high speed track and you can truly feel the uniqueness of the car. You talked a lot about 'dirty this dirty tat' but essentially you are complaining about the GT5 damage system and the lack of a livery editor in GT5. Well this is a simulation not a mod game. The ability to color your car differently doesn't make Forza any less arcady then GT5.
and so does forza3 in terms of car handling i would say from playing gt5 it does give u the feel but not what i havent seen or experienced in forza3 and it when i say custom did u see me mention paint.. funny boy.. paint has nothing to do with sim but on a second note the kind of paint you use for a car can increase or decrease drag.. so you might have just owned yourself.. @ giant. yes they give u that but what if u want more.. those little adjustment have been in forza 2.. this is years ago... i played this.. and now... forza3 even takes things further.. now think of it.. gt5 is just about comparable to forza2 level just as i said.. and i am not stumping on gt5 i am clearly stating which is more of a realistic racing sim than the other.. and thats what this genre is mostly about gameplay .. and ofcourse graphics which i would somewhat give to gt5's premium cars.. (the 800 are a waste of space and i dont see who needs to see dogs in a sim) just saying...
@8thnightvolley You clearly don't play gt that often when you imply that there is nothing beyond the aesthetics. The "packages" you buy are parts that are transferred to your garage, from there you can select those parts that have options right next to it's image which allows for tuning things like: Suspension, which includes: height adjustment spring rate dampers anti-roll bars camber angle toe angle Drivetrain: initial torque acceleration sensitivity braking sensitivity Transmission is fully customizable: Every gear can be finetuned Topspeed can be adjusted Aerodynamics: adjust downforce etc, etc, etc... And the list goes on. Each higher costing part provides even more options. It's not just "buy a package" and you're good to go. There's alot of fine tuning involved. Just like in real life, you buy the parts and adjust them to your liking. For someone who claims to be into car sims I'm really shocked that you criticized gt for lack of tuning when you didn't even play enough to notice that a whole slew of options were even there. Moral of the story, stop assuming things without knowing the facts. I like both forza and gt, they're great racing sims because unlike the arcade racing games they let you do just that, tune your car.
8thnightvolley got pwned by Giant_Chibi, lol.
@8nightvolley: if you think that kind of customization makes the game a better simulation, you're a bit delusional. Most of those parts available in Forza 3 augment/modify the stats of the car by a semi-arbitrary value, without much simulative scope. Or you really think that some poor fellow at turn 10 spent the last 20 years adding in real life every single piece to every single car featured in the game (and every combination of them) and then gathered the real world data necessary to simulate that kind of tuning? Hell, a good 50% of the parts available in Forza 3 aren't even really available for most of the cars in the real world. What makes a game a simulation is the physics and the car handling, and I'm sorry to burst a bubble, but in that GT5 utterly demolishes Forza 3, which is still a good semi-simulation, but doesn't even get near to holding some real simulative value (and even GT5 isn't 100% a simulator, even if it gets very near). It doesn't even simulate correctly the most popular racing/supercar drivetrain (RWD/Midships). It actually does it so badly that they had to relegate them in a separate lobby offline because their characteristics are so flattened that it's impossible for them to be competitive even with FWD cars (which is ridiculous). Ultimately, the more parts and pieces you add to a game, the more variables you create, variables that you can't test, and as such you have to just guess and hope you get it right, effectively reducing the simulative value of the game itself. The more you go overboard with tuning options, the more you push your game away from a simulator, and towards Need for Speed.
Do these clowns actually believe Forza has better handling physics than GT5??? LMFAO
dude some of those features are already on GT5
All the features shown are in GT5 already except for Kinect. And for the Open Wheel Car feature... thats only a Lotus http://www.netace.com/lotus...
Agreed, but why does a Forza fan care what's in GT5? I guess if you were trying to state the obvious, but even so Forza fans are still going to buy Forza for things GT5 can't do like be a game on the 360. On the same note if you want GT5 you already have it or saving for it.
yes we know , but it makes sense to do what gt5 did but better on top of the exclusive features forza already has.
Ill be ready for forza Im so hooked on gt5 it will be nice to have another new racer to play next year.
finally someone that enjoys both! man, why does gamers can't approve of two games??? GT5 got more realistic graphics and the unique driving experience given by each car. Forza, on the other side, gives us a lot of customization to do on a whole nice bunch of different cars and great driving too! If you got a PS3, get GT and shut the hell up. If you got a 360, get Forza and shut the hell up. Simple answers for simple minded people! since they can't do anything but fanboyism. And for gamers like me who is a multiconsoles owners, get both and enjoy the best of each games!!!!!
i have to agree with both of you, game is gonna be good.
Everything would've been fine if Turn10 would've kept their mouths shut. That's all I'm saying. Thanks Turn10! Thanks Dan Greenwalt or who ever you are. Thank you for all this hate and consolewars BS.
You successfully turned this thread into a fanboy flamewar with the very first post. Not that that's any kind of record on N4G, in fact, that's pretty much the norm.
DAMN the real driving simulator is coming.
Forza 4 the real driving simulator.. Damn GT5 is going to get massively destroyed... Heck Forza 3 was better but now Forza 4......this real sim going to be deadly. Not 800 normal cars with PS2 graphics.
i agree. the media will make some small minded people believe this. forza looks just like any other arcade game out there.
yeah sure... with no existance bumper car physics on gt5 piss poor damage, ramming into cars which have no effect on AI racing line to get to 1st position yeah thats all ok right? its the truth Forza has taken GT crown a long time ago. GT5 was evident a superior driving sim is now Forza. Forza 3 - 92% GT5 - 84% huge dissapointment arcade racer Forza 4 final nail in Gran turismo coffin.
@finalspartan dude come down man, GT5 is a good sim racing game as well. People just can't appreciate gaming in general anymore man. Both are great game, Forza is more solid overall, but Sony really need to releast GT5 for Dec to make some money (hence, PD is still trying hard to patch things up, it does feel somewhat unpolish), but the core of GT game, Sim, is there and that counts. This stupid war is so old man.
Dont bank on the Top Gear test track I think its a video download service like GT TV to view Top Gear content.
This looks just as promising as GT5 did. Xbox 360 owners need not feel left out.
I'm amazed how they found all those features in that 47 seconds trailer that practically doesn't show anything. Bah who cares... Let the hype begin. That's the only thing they are good at. I spotted the second jesus christ in the video, btw. I also spotted a new galaxy. Also spotted a quick subliminal image in the trailer, saying that Forza 4 will feature Virtual Reality. I also spotted Bill Gates. And holograms. Omfg, I saw lightsabers.
those features arent even shown. rally racing? no thats just a exotic driving in dirt looking cool night racing? where? i see a car standing still with a sunset in the background snow in background? wtf does that even mean?
A lot of companies like to tease things, and not just blatantly throw things out and tell you straight up. They want people to have to take a look at the trailer so they can find hints at whats to come, and all those are hints.
@xtremeimport I'm guessing the live-action footage at the beginning hint at what's to come. It's not officially confirmed, but they're working with what they'e got.
or its wishful thinking? i mean, i dont disagree with these additions i just think people look to much into trailers sometimes.
Looks nice, though I wish they had put the night driving and rally into Forza 3. Also I guess were going to get the USA Top Gear track?
Hopefully, the snow and night racing rumors are true.
The snow scene is from the Top Gear USA episode 1.
Looks very nice! I hope the game live up to my expectations! While i don't own a PS3 to play GT5, i am eager to see what F4 will offer to the fans of the franchise!
go forza go XD
Nice love forza day one.
everything is coming out in November next year. Guess we know why Microsoft delayed Gears then.
...Gears 3 is ALSO coming out in November, kiddo. COMMENT FAIL: try again, but without the stupidity. :o
...I SAID that Gears is coming out in November/thereabout. I SAID that Microsoft delayed it until then to have something for that period to challenge the likes of Uncharted, Resistance, etc to try and kill momentum for those games. COMMENT FAIL: try aga...never mind...
What you said actually was pretty ambiguous. sp1deynut just misunderstood you, and reasonably so. There's no reason for either of you to get hostile.
No, they must fight to the death.
@Qui-gon To be fair it was Spidey who started the hostility.
Well the kinda seems like a bad thing, since all these games are coming out in Fall, I would like to play some new games in the summer but like always thats when nothing good comes out
like I replied to the pißwasser above, maybe they feel they need something like gears to try to dampen the momentum for Uncharted, etc. Doesn't mean it's a good idea, but that's what I make of it.
Night racing ( 0:18 ), dirt tracks ( 0:32 & 0:34 ), snow ( 0:36 ), and U.S. TopGear track I believe we are to expect.. Hope they add new Audi R18 ( http://www.netcarshow.com/a... ) for LeMans.
Yes! So excited for night and rally racing! Forza 4 is gonna be the defining game for the Xbox 360 (and all of gaming) in 2011! :D I am so happy.
For the Xbox 360. Good thing you wrote that. Wise guy !
Wow western developers are far ahead of the Japanese. They develop games that look and play better than GT5 in like a year lol. Kaz is sad!
One step closer to a yearly release for the FORZA series.
isn't there a third uncharted coming out... Weren't forza and uncharted released in the same years? If you're going to make a complaint against one, you're complaining about them both.
i think he was having a dig at the people here saying forza 4 will be a god send and blah, blah, blah from a 40 second video showing cars in CGI!! lol.
It will actually be more than a year since Forza 3's release, and the reason development time wont take that long is that they already have the engine in place, all they have to do is update it and add things to the game. But since they already have an engine that cuts development time by a long time.
exactly! that's why I'm hoping that GT6 comes out this gen. more premium cars, more damage implentation and more customization. The basic engine is already there. Just have to do the same as forza, perfect your engine a little more with enhanced graphics and more features. Turn 10 have been doing it for 3 games and xbox fans seems to be quite happy about it. GT1/GT2 amd GT3/GT4 was the same as F2/F3. upgraded games with more features, without a high cost for development.
Gran Turismo and Gran Turismo 2 were on PS1. Gran Turismo 3 and Gran Turismo 4 were on PS2. No reason to think we won't have two GT games on PS3. And just like marioPSUC said about Forza, Plyphony Digital have the game engine in place, just have to add stuff and can have shorter dev cycle.
@Qui-Gon Jim Yeah I really hope so! it's just that, I don't know where I read it, but GT devs said that they weren't sure if GT6 is going to be next gen or this gen. Probably just a way to tease us! :D
I didn't really notice any of those features when I saw the trailer, but sounds awesome. Can't wait.
So will Forza finally have moving parts on the cars. (I don't mean the wheels). example: on the Mercedes McLaren SLR, the spoiler tilts depending on speed and braking. The Bugatti Veyron has it. Also the new McLaren MP4 has it.
I just wish the xbox supported the G27, I would enjoy forza alot more with a wheel and I'm def not gonna buy another one :(
Dear Turn10, You have to do better than that to get my attention on this game.
Dear faceless guy on the internet...we here at Turn 10 have already produced this generation's highest rated racing game with a development time of 1.5 years. So you'll forgive us if our next Forza iteration has bigger ambitions than simply "getting your attention" because let's face it, you are a nobody and your attention means squat to us, the reviewers and the millions of forza fans. Your correspondence has been appreciated, however, next time, shove it up your exhaust pipe. Best Regards
You know i'm talking about the trailer right? For more information about my forza appreciation, please check my gamertag. And if you want complete stats, time played, cars owned... and every other stuff, just ask. :p post scriptum: And if you want to add me as friend and burn some tires on the third, it's up to you.